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And when the employer asks for a project being delivered at 07:00 AM on Monday and it’s done only by 06:00 PM on Friday, I’m sure he’ll be really patient. You know, “lead by example” and all that.
Actual answer security jobs. You won’t make hardly anything but your job is to watch cameras and occasionally go for a walk. If shit hits the fan you call the police.
Everyone who has done it has told me it’s mind-numbingly boring, but the job does exist where you mostly just exist for 12 hours
Pay is indeed terrible but it is the easiest job I ever had.
I had a post at the power plant where I needed to be at the gate for insurance reasons. The employees all had their own entrance so all I did was open/close the gate for non employees or contractors. This consisted of writing down the persons name in a log book and hitting a button to open the automatic gate a few times a shift.
They had a TV set up and told me to bring in my Xbox / Playstation etc. Only rule was to not sleep.
One time I had a 16 hour shift where all I did was open that gate twice.
I did security for a regional security company at a power plant once. We were only allowed a book or magazine. I would bring my laptop anyways and just hide it if a roving supervisor showed up. Some other guard left a travel DVD/tv player with a binder full of DVDs in the back of a filing cabinet. Someone else found it and reported it so a message was sent out that no electronics were allowed on site and anyone caught with one were to be removed from the site.
Even worse it was 3rd shift and if you had the lights on in the guard shack it caused a glare on the window so we would sit in the dark with the bathroom light on and door open for some light. And the whole thing was automated, anyone coming through the gate had a badge they would swipe to open the gate the guards didn't do anything. We were just supposed to "monitor" the gate during shift change, so about 10-15 minutes of people coming and going an hour after your shift starts then nothing else all night. How they expected people not to fall asleep in that scenario I'll never understand.
Right? Do you really want to hire 2 people who seriously had nothing better to do during an entire day.
And on the flip side, do you want to work for someone that will conveniently waste your time?
Bosses HATE that phrase. I've used it everywhere I've worked, and it always is like I punched them right in the gut. For example, I used to work in a restaurant with a bar, that's dress code was either a graphic tee from the restaurant or all black, and black pants. One day it was raining and a server went and got a sweater that was more of a grey than black, but it was seriously not an issue. The manager for the night shift came in and immediately stayed digging into the server for violating dress code. I came out of the kitchen and said, "You're wearing bike shorts, your nails are too long and painted, and your hair is down. Don't you think you should be leading by example?" She did this because being the only one serving at the bar in tiny shorts got her more tips. She tried going to the GM to complain about me having a bad attitude and was basically told I was right and she needed to fix her dress code issues.
A job where all I have to do is be the lightning rod for my boss’ anger (which I know is not towards me specifically) and not have to do any real work? That sounds interesting
It's not too hard. Keep your eyes down and mumble when you talk if he's yelling at you. Say something like "Oh, that's a good idea" or "Oh, I never thought of it that way" when they ask you if their idea is good
If my current boss wasn't so awesome I'd take a job like that. I'm really fortunate, I've had 4 direct supervisors at my current employer, over 2.5 years, 3 of those I would grade at A+, the fourth would get a B+. If that trend continues I don't plan on going anywhere. A couple weeks ago we had a bad overnight storm i slept through alarms and woke up to no power. When I was an hour and a half late my boss called me, the first thing she asked was if I was okay, second if my family was okay, never even asked if I was coming in that day or not
Also, if something actually goes wrong, as long as you can imply you may have hinted at the issue to someone else even if it was just an offhand remark when they were busy with something else, it's actually their fault and their problem to fix, and if you can't point at a time you may have mentioned it, they should've realized anyways so it's still their fault naturally.
"It takes you 12 fucking hours to interview 3 candidates, Jimathon, but by gum has our sucker retention rate shot up. You should consider giving a seminar at the monthly workation in the Bahamas."
Seriously - this is an anti-pattern. The folks with the most ability to get a similar job elsewhere will leave first, leaving you with the most desperate DUE to their lack of qualifications.
They should adopt the leap of faith interview. One dark room, a bottomless pit in the middle. The first one to realize there's an invisible glass walk-way to cross gets the job. We weeded all faithless employees off the bat. Unfortunately, our one viable candidate, Steve, later committed suicide by jumping off a bridge.
That was my thought too, at least in my line of work I could go across the street and find a job in a day if I needed to. I doubt this is a real scenario but if it was... you're actively working to hire the most desperate people who clearly have so few other options they are willing to sit around for 11 hours? This would be like a joke on a sitcom that a boss does this but only ends up hiring the most useless people and a homeless guy who was sleeping in the lobby.
Back when I was unemployed last year I had an interview with a company for stuff I was tangentially qualified for. First tiny red flag was the guy called me and didn’t ask if I had time for a phone interview, just launched in to asking me questions. But I was desperate so I did it and then scheduled an in person jnterview. I showed up five minutes early, the guy (who was the owner) wasn’t there yet. I met with another guy in the office who had the sense of mind to just start interviewing me to try and not waste my time. During that interview he made the comment that in my position I would very likely be butting heads with the owner often. Which isn’t unheard of for my line of work but I would never mention that in an interview unless it was a major problem. We got through a whole interview + tour of the facilities and I still had ten minutes to sit and wait before the owner showed up, 45 minutes late. And everyone in the office joked in front of me that that was basically on time for him.
He then proceeded to give me a tour again, then talk with me for two hours standing the whole time about the position and how much of an expert he was in the field and how respected he was and how hard he worked for the company. Then mentioned they had been trying to fill the position for two years.
I really should have left when he wasn’t on time, and even with all of the glaring red flags I still considered taking the job when they offered it to me. I actually gave an initial verbal yes, but then I saw in the offer letter they expected 60 days notice to quit. It was in no way legally enforceable, but to me it spoke to a level of control over me expected that I was not comfortable with giving. Thank god my gut wouldn’t shut up about how weird it was and that it was a bad call, and I ended up telling them no. But damn, desperation to be employed can really get you willing to take some insane disrespect.
There’s a lot of folks out there who really want the workforce in a constant state of desperation. You’re willing to do anything so long as you have a job. It’s part of why the healthcare tie in is so strong too.
Wages can be kept low when the economy isn’t awesome and it’s assumed folks are desperate for a job.
Yeah telling them no was almost physically painful because at that point I had been out of work for about four months. It took me another two months to find a job, and it was ROUGH. But I’m glad I held out because I know if I had it would have been miserable.
It's the same mindset that wants women to have no autonomy over their own reproductive health and choices. Some people just want to control everyone else to the greatest extent possible. Lots of wannabe dictators out there in the world.
My boss in construction shows up 3x or longer past what he says he will be there, consistently. For example he says 30 minutes, it’s 1 1/2 hours before he gets there. He’s paying hourly though so 🤷♂️
> 7:00a interview
By 7:30a all the good candidates had left.
I aint begging for a job. I'm interviewing your company as potentially a good use of my time.
I sit somewhere between "I'm unwilling to miss the interview I have scheduled after this," and "if you're willing to play mind games by disrespecting my time, you've convinced me to give you a pass."
I hire people as part of my job. If someone I worked with did this with applicants, I'd fire them. It's just shit management with a side of ego.
Only person left has absolutely nothing going on in his life. No kids. No girlfriend. No job. No hobbies. No projects. No pets. Apparently doesn't need to eat food or drink, or pee.
Only person left is used to being completely unproductive for 12+ hours in a row. Has no problem just sitting idle for long periods.
Doesn't sound like a go-getter to me.
Yep. The two hypothetical people who got the hypothetical job were just the biggest fools. You wanna do an interview at 7 then show up at 7, you aren't doing me a favour by hiring me I'm doing you a favour by working for you.
God am I glad to live in an economy where employers are fighting for workers not the other way around.
Also what if those people had other responsibilities. Kids, other job, a sick relative. Whatever.
They aren't looking for patience but unattached people
I’ll cut people *some* slack. If you tell me to be there at 7 I’ll try to be there a bit ahead of 7 (“ready at 7”, if you like). If the person meeting me/letting me in tells me you’ve been unavoidably delayed (traffic, family emergency etc), I’ll wait. I guess you’ll be there by 730. If not, you either reschedule or don’t interview me. If you got to work more than half an hour late you probably need to take something out of your schedule anyway, so it does us both a favour to reschedule.
Not the US. We have an official unemployment rate of 0.6% and there are currently like 3 times more jobs available registered with the government than there are registered unemployed people (and you don't have to jump through a ton of hoops and meet a load of special conditions, if you're unemployed and looking for work you can register and claim benefits while you find a new job).
Obviously different sectors are different but yeah, the job market here is pretty employee-friendly (we have fairly heavy-handed controls on who can work as an immigrant here - you need to be sponsored by a company that can't find a local to fill the position).
Those who left are highly qualified and know their worth. They're now working for the competition. Those who were hired are unqualified and will run the company into the ground. The interview thinks he's a genius, but he played himself.
Yep, basically. I was trying to get me a job at a waffle house, which is already the bottom of the barrel, anyway. The dude had me sit there for a few hours. He decided to tell me to come back in a week. So I did. He gave me a job without an interview. After the training and all that. The dude watched over me constantly. He'll yell and berate me. I'll be cleaning a table, and he'd yell at me, saying, clean the dishes. Even though I just did a literal few seconds ago. So next time, I took precedence washing dishes first, then cleaning the table. He yelled at me, asking why I hadn't cleaned the table yet. In Waffle House servers clean,serve and all of the above besides cooking. Cooks just cooks. I can't do 5 things at the same time. The funny thing is I was the only other guy. Everyone else were women. Mostly teenagers. I personally think he was trying to make himself look superior to me in front of them. The stories I've heard how he acts around them didn't make him look great. Apparently, he got caught staring and saying things he shouldn't have. Besides that, he would threaten to fire me constantly. After 2 weeks, I quit. I'm never doing that again.
Edit: spelling and grammar.
Right? Company I’m with currently made me wait 10 minutes for an interview due to a surprise phone call one of the panel had. The entire ten minutes they apologized, offered me drinks, etc. Said interviewer came out to get me personally and was mortified and apologizing he had delayed it. It was the biggest “green flag” I had there to begin with, they respected my time and were legit sorry they even wasted ten minutes.
If an employer schedules a meeting/interview at whatever time, and I am there just before that time, and then they leave me waiting and waiting, I am out of there at 30mins after the time. No way I am going to sit there waiting like a idiot for 11 hours.
Bullshit "tests" like this are nothing but a little person's power play and they indicate how the workplace will be.
The first one to leave is the one that understands a group interview is bullshit and has the intuition to understand that something is amiss. Should have hired that one.
Remember, you are interviewing them as much as they are interviewing you. You are checking out if it is a place that suits you. Also: They are not 'giving' you a job, they are hiring someone to help them make more money.
Reminds me of my last job. They seemed to not like me because I worked smart, meanwhile all of my bosses "favorites" would inevitably get fired for violating too many company policies
The post is one which portrays that the employer failed the test that worthwhile employees set. Your bosses failed a similar test that you set.
There are very few employers who want an employee that knows their rights. These employers often are not very successful cuz they care about their people. They need to be acknowledged more.
Well successful and make massive profits thereby growing quickly aren't the same thing. The problem is the latter is what's CONSIDERED success, when a truly successful company delivers what it promises, when it promises, in a manner the client/customer is happy with and earning repeat business. Having worked for companies that exemplify each version here, I can tell you which one I've preferred being a part of, and it's definitely not the one that just got big.
They *create* the desperate ones. That's what slashing welfare, no universal health care, outlawing abortion, peeling back corporate regulation, and undercutting educational funding are really all about. Those all increase the chances that you need the money.
A friend of mine was "hired" to be a music director for Cirque du Soleil. They flew him to Canada to their main office for the final interview.
At dinner, he was introduced to someone else, who was his competition. They then intended to pit them against each other for the next few days, but by the end of the next day, my friend said "you can have the job," went home, and changed career paths completely.
Exactly. The two guys who got the job likely aren't the ones who would have been the best or most productive employees. They're the most desperate ones. That job would probably have an incredibly high turnover rate, if the "interview" is any indication of how the boss runs the place.
Yeap, only desperation can make you do this, and I say it from experience. When I was studying, (I'm from Colombia and from a technical career; some things are different) half of the program was practical, so we needed to get a 6 month job to complete the studies, but close to the end of the time frame to start with a company I had no contract, so when this company called for an interview and made me wait 4 hours, I did, not only because I needed to graduate, but because I needed the money for my whole family. When desperate one does a lot of things against common sense and against one self.
theyre more of a thing with positions where there are multiple stages for interviews. Ive never heard of someone getting a job straight out of the group interview, they tend to be more of a weed out the people who straight up dont belong there/let the people who might belong there know whats good and what they should be doing to prepare for the next parts
Yeah. I did a group interview at 18. It was my first real interview and just for a bookstore but before then I just knew people who hired me. It... Did not go well(I didn't realize it until the older interviewers started giving "adult" answers). Probably one of the most embarrassing points of my life lol
I had one group interview, the summer after high school. Turned out it was to sell some kind of scammy, expensive vacuums. I left as soon as they gave us a bathroom break. (I was too shy back then to just get up and walk out.)
You shouldn’t be embarrassed for not having excelled at what was impossible for you. Anyone who puts an *18-year-old* in that position doesn't deserve to have a job supervising others.
he also understands how time vs money works and opportunity cost. I'd personally think "screw this, let's see what time the other interview is. this job probably sucks."
Precisely. This was less about testing patience and more about how much shit can thr company shovel into your mouth and how long you'll just take it. They hired the two employees that they found they could take advantage of the most.
Yup. After 30 minutes, I leave, and then send an email asking if they’d like to reschedule for another time since our meeting didn’t happen. Respect my time, and I’ll respect yours.
Nah, I send them an email stating that since they can't be bothered with being punctual or notifying prospective employees about delays, that I will be looking elsewhere and telling others not to bother with them because of their lack of respect to people.
Honestly, no reason to punish the custodial staff for the manager's/owner's shitty behavior.
I get the feeling, but all that does is make the day worse for people that already work there for whatever reason.
Sir the only correct part of that sentence is "minimum wage", the job offer clearly stated requiring a masters degree and *double checks* 20 years of experience in this technology that was made 5 years ago.
10 minutes in i am calling the contact info i have after that i start looking for people to talk about getting this interview started if i am told to wait i will ask for an estimate if non is giving i will ask what is so important unless i am going a good reason i will just leave.
Imagine if the employer literally just forgot he had meetings and you sat there for half your day based on nothing.
You’d be a moron. This is a test meant to find sycophant morons.
If a boss is that forgetful and doesn't keep track of appointments and people who they asked to come in for an interview, then you seriously don't want to work at a place like that. It would be chaos all day with the boss forgetting things.
While I agree in principle about punctuality in this situation, my patience would be determined by whether or not others were being admitted to the interview and there’s some form of communication about it. Sometimes, shit happens and things run late but if the line is moving and there’s communication about the situation I can deal.
OP’s situation is a whole different thing. No one was moving and there’s no communication. I’d give it 1/2 hour to 45 minutes at most and move on.
While the interviewer is doing is bullshit test, the candidates probably have other priorities in life and one of them might be that they can’t just wait around for some douchebro test. Maybe there’s a child that needs to be picked up, maybe they only had half the day available for the interview, maybe they care for an elderly who needs meds on time, every time. This is the dumbest form of “you get what you put in” kind of bullshit.
This is not a Test of Patience™. It's a filter. It filters out all of the people that are not willing to put up with being disrespected like that. You're left with people that are desperate, willing to take employer abuse or both.
Yeah, that's just normal interviews. But this was about a specific post about a employer leaving the people waiting for 11 hours. So no one was being taken in for the interview, they were just left waiting with no information or interactions.
> Bullshit "tests" like this are nothing but a little person's power play and they indicate how the workplace will be.
They're just looking for people who they can bully around, the "test of patience" is just what they tell the people dumb enough to wait for 11 hours right before dumping a bunch of overtime on them or telling that they're expected to be on-call 24/7 (in both cases unpaid, of course. Boss has already proven that they don't respect the time of their employees).
There's zero chance that story story is true and people would leave after an hour max. If anyone stayed longer than that, I'd say sorry for making you wait, but I can't hire you because you fail to take initiative.
Been in interviews for jobs where they are 30-45 minutes late or a bit more. Then they call you in, no excuse, no apology. Just go into their spiel and you feel like they don't care what you say, they already made up their minds yesterday.
It’s been a while now, so I can say the company. When I was a chemical engineer, I had an interview for Estee Lauder and the interviewee straight up forgot about me. I emailed the HR person while waiting, and apparently the person double booked with an internal meeting. So we reschedule to another. Next time going through another round of interviews and a different interviewee same exact thing happened! So I have to reschedule again. Third time now, and fortunately only have to meet with this one person that I missed. This person completely mails in the interview. I can tell he doesn’t want to be here. Just waste of my time. Left such a terrible impression of the entire company on me.
Fast forward couple years later, I do my MBA from a top school to pivot, and Estée Lauder is recruiting on campus. They of course love my background with chemical engineering and now MBA. And I straight up tell them, sorry I’m not interested in their company. I don’t tell them the specific reason, but that interview process left such a bad taste in my mouth I don’t want anything to do with them; it’s the impression I have of their culture.
What's sad is this type of stuff has become the norm. I've had several interviews over the years where it was painfully obvious that they were just going through the motions. They had either already decided on someone else or had already decided they weren't going to hire me. It would be nice if they could cut the bullshit and save me the time and energy and just not have me come in for the interview. Sick and tired of jumping through hoops only to be kicked aside.
🛎️🛎️🛎️ That’s the correct answer. They are looking for desperate people. Someone that wants the job so badly that will stay there for hours (and doesn’t have anywhere else to go).
Fuck that employer. You’re basically telling the applicants that their time isn’t valuable. What if one of the applicants had to pick up kids or something?
Exactly! The first people that leave are the people who say you know what, screw this, I am worth more than this and can get a better job. The last two that stayed were probably the most desperate.
If you only hire people who are desperate, you're definitely not hiring quality candidates. At my job we openly acknowledge the people we're trying to hire likely have other offers and discuss what makes us a more attractive option. Interviews are a two way process.
"I value my time and the time of my coworkers and take extra care to ensure deadlines are met or extensions are requested in advance, I expect the same from my employers"
"No patience that one."
No one’s mentioned the other obvious reaction: getting up and asking what’s going on, whether it’s been cancelled, noting that you have to leave to take care of other appointments or your existing job, etc. Would they straight up lie to you to try to delay? Yeesh.
Exactly. No one is waiting around 11 hours for a job interview when it was promised to be at a certain time. I don't care how desperate you are, if you don't see the interviewer at the promised time, give or take a half hour or so, then you assume it's not happening at all.
Nah man, interviews are a two-way street. As a candidate, the way I'm treated before, during and after the interview and the hiring process tells me a lot about whether the company is a good match for me.
My skill is that I nothing better to do, nowhere else to go or perhaps I am just too lazy to go there. You call it patience ? Fits me, thanks for hiring me. When is nap time?
I used to be a hiring manager. Most of the time the people I was interviewing had already been through multiple rounds of interviews with HR. They also typically already had jobs and were using their PTO or sacrificing their lunch break to attend the interview. The last thing I would want to do is waste their time by making them sit around in a "test of patience".
Also can't imagine using "willing to sit around for 11 hours while I ignore them" as a criteria for being hired onto my team. I want to know that you're a good fit, both in skillset as well as socially. Large parts of the interview is just bullshitting and getting to know you. I'm going to be working with you for 40 - 50 hours a week, ideally for multiple years. Would like that time to be as pleasant as possible for both of us.
That’s not a test of patience. That’s a test of who’s enough of a bitch ass yes man that would waste all that time and energy.
When I was in school, our teachers told us to always take 2 things to a job interview: a pen and a copy of your resume. I have always held to that and I’m 47 now.
Anyway, many years ago, I was scheduled for an interview at Wegmans. I took a pen and a copy of my resume, as I do. The lady doing interviews kept us waiting for 2 hours before coming out and claiming she was never told we were there. Nothing like throwing your people under the bus in front of prospective new employees.
She interviewed me and at the end, asked for her pen back. I told her the truth, that I had brought it with me. She argued the point. I took my pen out with me. I didn’t get the job.
Employment is a two way street. If your employer is going to treat you like shit, you don’t want to work there. The three who left made the right move, but should’ve left far earlier.
I’m not some ancient Chinese proverb Shaman or a Japanese Samurai Warrior. I don’t need to be taught lessons in this manner. Screw that company. If I was one of the candidates who walked away, I would consider myself lucky.
Interview at 7 a.m., and nobody talking to me by 8 a.m. means no interview at all...that's not a test. This is made up. By 2 p.m., everyone left because nobody packs a lunch for an interview
ya'll just eagerly accept that this happened. That 5 people would just sit around and do nothing for 8 hours and then 2 would sit for 11 hours and I guess person number 6 is still waiting to this day.
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And when the employer asks for a project being delivered at 07:00 AM on Monday and it’s done only by 06:00 PM on Friday, I’m sure he’ll be really patient. You know, “lead by example” and all that.
Exactly this. If the only qualification you test is that I can entertain myself for twelve hours, then you get exactly what you deserve.
"This man is really good at sitting around doing jack shit for 12 hours! Let's hire him!"
No sense of urgency whatsoever. Time is meaningless to him. What an asset!
"this idiot waited 12 hours for a job. He's super desperate. Hire him and give him minimum wage"
Why spend that extra cash. Pay him under the table $2.00 below minimum wage. Not only is he desperate, but he is stupid. Really break it off in him.
Just pay him $2.00!
The position was actually reclassified as an internship..
Anyone know where I can get a job like that? Sounds pretty awesome. Edit: but even more, I’d like to WFH with that job.
Actual answer security jobs. You won’t make hardly anything but your job is to watch cameras and occasionally go for a walk. If shit hits the fan you call the police. Everyone who has done it has told me it’s mind-numbingly boring, but the job does exist where you mostly just exist for 12 hours
Pay is indeed terrible but it is the easiest job I ever had. I had a post at the power plant where I needed to be at the gate for insurance reasons. The employees all had their own entrance so all I did was open/close the gate for non employees or contractors. This consisted of writing down the persons name in a log book and hitting a button to open the automatic gate a few times a shift. They had a TV set up and told me to bring in my Xbox / Playstation etc. Only rule was to not sleep. One time I had a 16 hour shift where all I did was open that gate twice.
I did security for a regional security company at a power plant once. We were only allowed a book or magazine. I would bring my laptop anyways and just hide it if a roving supervisor showed up. Some other guard left a travel DVD/tv player with a binder full of DVDs in the back of a filing cabinet. Someone else found it and reported it so a message was sent out that no electronics were allowed on site and anyone caught with one were to be removed from the site. Even worse it was 3rd shift and if you had the lights on in the guard shack it caused a glare on the window so we would sit in the dark with the bathroom light on and door open for some light. And the whole thing was automated, anyone coming through the gate had a badge they would swipe to open the gate the guards didn't do anything. We were just supposed to "monitor" the gate during shift change, so about 10-15 minutes of people coming and going an hour after your shift starts then nothing else all night. How they expected people not to fall asleep in that scenario I'll never understand.
"Why are you on your phone playing games during worktime!" "Uhhh that's exactly what I did to get this job?"
Oh fuck I like this a bunch.
I agree, the winning candidate should have been the one to show up at his house in the wee hours before the appointment.
Totally this. Respect to the 4 who saw this as a big red flag and left.
Right? Do you really want to hire 2 people who seriously had nothing better to do during an entire day. And on the flip side, do you want to work for someone that will conveniently waste your time?
Yes, that is exactly what they want. Someone that will drop everything and run right in for the company.
That’s exactly what they want. Someone with nothing to do outside of work.
In his shower, glaring straight ahead as he opens the shower curtain, wearing nothing but a cowboy hat and a look of confidence. 🤠
Bosses HATE that phrase. I've used it everywhere I've worked, and it always is like I punched them right in the gut. For example, I used to work in a restaurant with a bar, that's dress code was either a graphic tee from the restaurant or all black, and black pants. One day it was raining and a server went and got a sweater that was more of a grey than black, but it was seriously not an issue. The manager for the night shift came in and immediately stayed digging into the server for violating dress code. I came out of the kitchen and said, "You're wearing bike shorts, your nails are too long and painted, and your hair is down. Don't you think you should be leading by example?" She did this because being the only one serving at the bar in tiny shorts got her more tips. She tried going to the GM to complain about me having a bad attitude and was basically told I was right and she needed to fix her dress code issues.
"My attitude is that the rules exist for a reason and should be followed. Is that wrong?"
Test of how much disrespect you're willing to tolerate.
It’s a test of desperation. They’ll only get the most desperate yes men with no sense of dignity or self worth. That or the guy with a steam deck.
I love how this interview did nothing to evaluate whether the applicants could, like, do the job.
the real job was just putting up with the bosses abuse, the boss can buy contractors to do real work over the phone
A job where all I have to do is be the lightning rod for my boss’ anger (which I know is not towards me specifically) and not have to do any real work? That sounds interesting
better be a good actor if you don't squirm they wont feel like you are being deferential enough to be worth what they are paying you
It's not too hard. Keep your eyes down and mumble when you talk if he's yelling at you. Say something like "Oh, that's a good idea" or "Oh, I never thought of it that way" when they ask you if their idea is good
Throw in a “yes daddy, I MEAN SIR” every so often to get his jollies twisted in a way he never expected.
Did this. It was far more awful than interesting.
If my current boss wasn't so awesome I'd take a job like that. I'm really fortunate, I've had 4 direct supervisors at my current employer, over 2.5 years, 3 of those I would grade at A+, the fourth would get a B+. If that trend continues I don't plan on going anywhere. A couple weeks ago we had a bad overnight storm i slept through alarms and woke up to no power. When I was an hour and a half late my boss called me, the first thing she asked was if I was okay, second if my family was okay, never even asked if I was coming in that day or not
Must have been a management position
where if you wait long enough, your problems go away and confirm that you did a good job at addressing problems.
Also, if something actually goes wrong, as long as you can imply you may have hinted at the issue to someone else even if it was just an offhand remark when they were busy with something else, it's actually their fault and their problem to fix, and if you can't point at a time you may have mentioned it, they should've realized anyways so it's still their fault naturally.
"It takes you 12 fucking hours to interview 3 candidates, Jimathon, but by gum has our sucker retention rate shot up. You should consider giving a seminar at the monthly workation in the Bahamas."
Unless the job was for a gate guard.
lol ... I guess it's possible this could be used for a couple jobs.
I imagine because its not a real thing, its just shit for the Linkedin False Info Mill
Guys with steam deck left by 3pm, the remaining had a powerbank
"Hol up i need 10 more minutes to get to a save point"
Fair point
Now it turned itself into a test of preparedness
Seriously - this is an anti-pattern. The folks with the most ability to get a similar job elsewhere will leave first, leaving you with the most desperate DUE to their lack of qualifications.
What they were probably looking for.
That’s extremely appealing to shitty bosses
Sounds like they found people who excel at doing nothing. I guess if that's what they want, that's what they get.
They should adopt the leap of faith interview. One dark room, a bottomless pit in the middle. The first one to realize there's an invisible glass walk-way to cross gets the job. We weeded all faithless employees off the bat. Unfortunately, our one viable candidate, Steve, later committed suicide by jumping off a bridge.
That was my thought too, at least in my line of work I could go across the street and find a job in a day if I needed to. I doubt this is a real scenario but if it was... you're actively working to hire the most desperate people who clearly have so few other options they are willing to sit around for 11 hours? This would be like a joke on a sitcom that a boss does this but only ends up hiring the most useless people and a homeless guy who was sleeping in the lobby.
Yeah that actually sounds like the real test. As mentioned already, big red flag.
Back when I was unemployed last year I had an interview with a company for stuff I was tangentially qualified for. First tiny red flag was the guy called me and didn’t ask if I had time for a phone interview, just launched in to asking me questions. But I was desperate so I did it and then scheduled an in person jnterview. I showed up five minutes early, the guy (who was the owner) wasn’t there yet. I met with another guy in the office who had the sense of mind to just start interviewing me to try and not waste my time. During that interview he made the comment that in my position I would very likely be butting heads with the owner often. Which isn’t unheard of for my line of work but I would never mention that in an interview unless it was a major problem. We got through a whole interview + tour of the facilities and I still had ten minutes to sit and wait before the owner showed up, 45 minutes late. And everyone in the office joked in front of me that that was basically on time for him. He then proceeded to give me a tour again, then talk with me for two hours standing the whole time about the position and how much of an expert he was in the field and how respected he was and how hard he worked for the company. Then mentioned they had been trying to fill the position for two years. I really should have left when he wasn’t on time, and even with all of the glaring red flags I still considered taking the job when they offered it to me. I actually gave an initial verbal yes, but then I saw in the offer letter they expected 60 days notice to quit. It was in no way legally enforceable, but to me it spoke to a level of control over me expected that I was not comfortable with giving. Thank god my gut wouldn’t shut up about how weird it was and that it was a bad call, and I ended up telling them no. But damn, desperation to be employed can really get you willing to take some insane disrespect.
There’s a lot of folks out there who really want the workforce in a constant state of desperation. You’re willing to do anything so long as you have a job. It’s part of why the healthcare tie in is so strong too. Wages can be kept low when the economy isn’t awesome and it’s assumed folks are desperate for a job.
Yeah telling them no was almost physically painful because at that point I had been out of work for about four months. It took me another two months to find a job, and it was ROUGH. But I’m glad I held out because I know if I had it would have been miserable.
That’s great you were able to hold out, it’s easy take a job like that then before you know it’s been a miserable decade.
It's the same mindset that wants women to have no autonomy over their own reproductive health and choices. Some people just want to control everyone else to the greatest extent possible. Lots of wannabe dictators out there in the world.
My boss in construction shows up 3x or longer past what he says he will be there, consistently. For example he says 30 minutes, it’s 1 1/2 hours before he gets there. He’s paying hourly though so 🤷♂️
> 7:00a interview By 7:30a all the good candidates had left. I aint begging for a job. I'm interviewing your company as potentially a good use of my time.
I sit somewhere between "I'm unwilling to miss the interview I have scheduled after this," and "if you're willing to play mind games by disrespecting my time, you've convinced me to give you a pass." I hire people as part of my job. If someone I worked with did this with applicants, I'd fire them. It's just shit management with a side of ego.
> It's just shit management with a side of ego. Idk I feel like pulling shit like this is more like "Shit ego with a side of management"
Only person left has absolutely nothing going on in his life. No kids. No girlfriend. No job. No hobbies. No projects. No pets. Apparently doesn't need to eat food or drink, or pee. Only person left is used to being completely unproductive for 12+ hours in a row. Has no problem just sitting idle for long periods. Doesn't sound like a go-getter to me.
Full disclosure: this is actually a 19th century test for colonial territories
Employers like this have low self-esteem themselves and need employees with less dignity that they can look down upon.
arrogance and insecurity go together surprisingly often.
It'd be really funny if someone waited the entire time, and then berated that employer for this bs.
Send them a bill
Yep. The two hypothetical people who got the hypothetical job were just the biggest fools. You wanna do an interview at 7 then show up at 7, you aren't doing me a favour by hiring me I'm doing you a favour by working for you. God am I glad to live in an economy where employers are fighting for workers not the other way around.
Also what if those people had other responsibilities. Kids, other job, a sick relative. Whatever. They aren't looking for patience but unattached people
I’ll cut people *some* slack. If you tell me to be there at 7 I’ll try to be there a bit ahead of 7 (“ready at 7”, if you like). If the person meeting me/letting me in tells me you’ve been unavoidably delayed (traffic, family emergency etc), I’ll wait. I guess you’ll be there by 730. If not, you either reschedule or don’t interview me. If you got to work more than half an hour late you probably need to take something out of your schedule anyway, so it does us both a favour to reschedule.
If he’s not there within a half hour, give them a chance to reschedule then bounce.
In the US? Is that before or after all of the bullshit false hiring because of tax incentives?
Not the US. We have an official unemployment rate of 0.6% and there are currently like 3 times more jobs available registered with the government than there are registered unemployed people (and you don't have to jump through a ton of hoops and meet a load of special conditions, if you're unemployed and looking for work you can register and claim benefits while you find a new job). Obviously different sectors are different but yeah, the job market here is pretty employee-friendly (we have fairly heavy-handed controls on who can work as an immigrant here - you need to be sponsored by a company that can't find a local to fill the position).
Those who left are highly qualified and know their worth. They're now working for the competition. Those who were hired are unqualified and will run the company into the ground. The interview thinks he's a genius, but he played himself.
Yep, basically. I was trying to get me a job at a waffle house, which is already the bottom of the barrel, anyway. The dude had me sit there for a few hours. He decided to tell me to come back in a week. So I did. He gave me a job without an interview. After the training and all that. The dude watched over me constantly. He'll yell and berate me. I'll be cleaning a table, and he'd yell at me, saying, clean the dishes. Even though I just did a literal few seconds ago. So next time, I took precedence washing dishes first, then cleaning the table. He yelled at me, asking why I hadn't cleaned the table yet. In Waffle House servers clean,serve and all of the above besides cooking. Cooks just cooks. I can't do 5 things at the same time. The funny thing is I was the only other guy. Everyone else were women. Mostly teenagers. I personally think he was trying to make himself look superior to me in front of them. The stories I've heard how he acts around them didn't make him look great. Apparently, he got caught staring and saying things he shouldn't have. Besides that, he would threaten to fire me constantly. After 2 weeks, I quit. I'm never doing that again. Edit: spelling and grammar.
Right? Company I’m with currently made me wait 10 minutes for an interview due to a surprise phone call one of the panel had. The entire ten minutes they apologized, offered me drinks, etc. Said interviewer came out to get me personally and was mortified and apologizing he had delayed it. It was the biggest “green flag” I had there to begin with, they respected my time and were legit sorry they even wasted ten minutes.
Any longer than 10 minutes and I’m out.
The three who left dodged a bullet.
4, but yea
The 4th guy still waited 8 hrs at the least
IMO the 4th one was the biggest loser. Dumb enough to participate that shit show for 8 hours and leave for nothing.
If an employer schedules a meeting/interview at whatever time, and I am there just before that time, and then they leave me waiting and waiting, I am out of there at 30mins after the time. No way I am going to sit there waiting like a idiot for 11 hours. Bullshit "tests" like this are nothing but a little person's power play and they indicate how the workplace will be.
The first one to leave is the one that understands a group interview is bullshit and has the intuition to understand that something is amiss. Should have hired that one.
Oh no, you can’t hire that one, they have a brain and use it. That’s dangerous for little hitlers.
Yeah the kind of employer who plays stupid mind games definitely doesn’t want the kind of employee who know their rights and value their own time.
If you don’t value your own time you can’t expect anyone else to!
Nice comment I'm still in school so I thought why not just wait but you're right I must value my own time
Another reason is that you could be using all of that time to do an interview or apply for a job that doesn't waste your time with stupid games
Who wants to work for a narcissist anyway?
Exactly
Remember, you are interviewing them as much as they are interviewing you. You are checking out if it is a place that suits you. Also: They are not 'giving' you a job, they are hiring someone to help them make more money.
Exactly. It's not a test of patience. It's a test of desperation.
Reminds me of my last job. They seemed to not like me because I worked smart, meanwhile all of my bosses "favorites" would inevitably get fired for violating too many company policies
The post is one which portrays that the employer failed the test that worthwhile employees set. Your bosses failed a similar test that you set. 
After leaving I found a job where I make 30%+ more but work 20-30% less hours between 4 days with a 10 minute commute.
There are very few employers who want an employee that knows their rights. These employers often are not very successful cuz they care about their people. They need to be acknowledged more.
Well successful and make massive profits thereby growing quickly aren't the same thing. The problem is the latter is what's CONSIDERED success, when a truly successful company delivers what it promises, when it promises, in a manner the client/customer is happy with and earning repeat business. Having worked for companies that exemplify each version here, I can tell you which one I've preferred being a part of, and it's definitely not the one that just got big.
# They want obedient workers. Obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork… -George Carlin
Think they want the desperate ones
They *create* the desperate ones. That's what slashing welfare, no universal health care, outlawing abortion, peeling back corporate regulation, and undercutting educational funding are really all about. Those all increase the chances that you need the money.
A friend of mine was "hired" to be a music director for Cirque du Soleil. They flew him to Canada to their main office for the final interview. At dinner, he was introduced to someone else, who was his competition. They then intended to pit them against each other for the next few days, but by the end of the next day, my friend said "you can have the job," went home, and changed career paths completely.
Exactly. The two guys who got the job likely aren't the ones who would have been the best or most productive employees. They're the most desperate ones. That job would probably have an incredibly high turnover rate, if the "interview" is any indication of how the boss runs the place.
Yeap, only desperation can make you do this, and I say it from experience. When I was studying, (I'm from Colombia and from a technical career; some things are different) half of the program was practical, so we needed to get a 6 month job to complete the studies, but close to the end of the time frame to start with a company I had no contract, so when this company called for an interview and made me wait 4 hours, I did, not only because I needed to graduate, but because I needed the money for my whole family. When desperate one does a lot of things against common sense and against one self.
Indeed. I see any group interview as intensely disrespectful, especially for anyone with any experience. Was once offered one and flat out declined.
I had no idea group interviews were even a thing this is the first time I’ve ever heard of it
Same here lol
theyre more of a thing with positions where there are multiple stages for interviews. Ive never heard of someone getting a job straight out of the group interview, they tend to be more of a weed out the people who straight up dont belong there/let the people who might belong there know whats good and what they should be doing to prepare for the next parts
Yeah. I did a group interview at 18. It was my first real interview and just for a bookstore but before then I just knew people who hired me. It... Did not go well(I didn't realize it until the older interviewers started giving "adult" answers). Probably one of the most embarrassing points of my life lol
I had one group interview, the summer after high school. Turned out it was to sell some kind of scammy, expensive vacuums. I left as soon as they gave us a bathroom break. (I was too shy back then to just get up and walk out.)
You shouldn’t be embarrassed for not having excelled at what was impossible for you. Anyone who puts an *18-year-old* in that position doesn't deserve to have a job supervising others.
he also understands how time vs money works and opportunity cost. I'd personally think "screw this, let's see what time the other interview is. this job probably sucks."
So the plot of Men In Black?
“Congratulations, gentlemen; you’re everything we’ve come to expect from years of government training.”
You mean the free thinker? That would go against everything such an employer desires in a slav…..er, employee.
Precisely. This was less about testing patience and more about how much shit can thr company shovel into your mouth and how long you'll just take it. They hired the two employees that they found they could take advantage of the most.
Yup. After 30 minutes, I leave, and then send an email asking if they’d like to reschedule for another time since our meeting didn’t happen. Respect my time, and I’ll respect yours.
I feel like showing up 11 hours late to your own meeting used to be a sign of gross incompetence.
Still is.
Nah, I send them an email stating that since they can't be bothered with being punctual or notifying prospective employees about delays, that I will be looking elsewhere and telling others not to bother with them because of their lack of respect to people.
Yeah that probably be the mature option. I’d go for my usual pee on the toilet seat and try to steal some pens
Shitting in the potted plants does the trick.
I would pee on the pens and steal the toilet seat.
Honestly, no reason to punish the custodial staff for the manager's/owner's shitty behavior. I get the feeling, but all that does is make the day worse for people that already work there for whatever reason.
Sir this is a minimal wage no experience or qualifications required job
Sir the only correct part of that sentence is "minimum wage", the job offer clearly stated requiring a masters degree and *double checks* 20 years of experience in this technology that was made 5 years ago.
Got it, so if it's a minimum wage job it's okay to treat people like shit. Noted.
10 minutes in i am calling the contact info i have after that i start looking for people to talk about getting this interview started if i am told to wait i will ask for an estimate if non is giving i will ask what is so important unless i am going a good reason i will just leave.
Imagine if the employer literally just forgot he had meetings and you sat there for half your day based on nothing. You’d be a moron. This is a test meant to find sycophant morons.
If a boss is that forgetful and doesn't keep track of appointments and people who they asked to come in for an interview, then you seriously don't want to work at a place like that. It would be chaos all day with the boss forgetting things.
While I agree in principle about punctuality in this situation, my patience would be determined by whether or not others were being admitted to the interview and there’s some form of communication about it. Sometimes, shit happens and things run late but if the line is moving and there’s communication about the situation I can deal. OP’s situation is a whole different thing. No one was moving and there’s no communication. I’d give it 1/2 hour to 45 minutes at most and move on.
While the interviewer is doing is bullshit test, the candidates probably have other priorities in life and one of them might be that they can’t just wait around for some douchebro test. Maybe there’s a child that needs to be picked up, maybe they only had half the day available for the interview, maybe they care for an elderly who needs meds on time, every time. This is the dumbest form of “you get what you put in” kind of bullshit.
This is not a Test of Patience™. It's a filter. It filters out all of the people that are not willing to put up with being disrespected like that. You're left with people that are desperate, willing to take employer abuse or both.
Totally. The boss is trying to hire a new doormat 😕
That's why this is perfect! Why would I want to hire someone with a life or responsibilities?! /s
Yeah, that's just normal interviews. But this was about a specific post about a employer leaving the people waiting for 11 hours. So no one was being taken in for the interview, they were just left waiting with no information or interactions.
Which I specifically addressed in my second paragraph.
> Bullshit "tests" like this are nothing but a little person's power play and they indicate how the workplace will be. They're just looking for people who they can bully around, the "test of patience" is just what they tell the people dumb enough to wait for 11 hours right before dumping a bunch of overtime on them or telling that they're expected to be on-call 24/7 (in both cases unpaid, of course. Boss has already proven that they don't respect the time of their employees).
This story is completely fabricated and made up. It’s some dude’s desperate plea to get 15 seconds of fame on Facebook or LinkedIn.
There's zero chance that story story is true and people would leave after an hour max. If anyone stayed longer than that, I'd say sorry for making you wait, but I can't hire you because you fail to take initiative.
This is just some boomer making up shit anyways. I’ve seen this ‘trick’ for years now.
Been in interviews for jobs where they are 30-45 minutes late or a bit more. Then they call you in, no excuse, no apology. Just go into their spiel and you feel like they don't care what you say, they already made up their minds yesterday.
It’s been a while now, so I can say the company. When I was a chemical engineer, I had an interview for Estee Lauder and the interviewee straight up forgot about me. I emailed the HR person while waiting, and apparently the person double booked with an internal meeting. So we reschedule to another. Next time going through another round of interviews and a different interviewee same exact thing happened! So I have to reschedule again. Third time now, and fortunately only have to meet with this one person that I missed. This person completely mails in the interview. I can tell he doesn’t want to be here. Just waste of my time. Left such a terrible impression of the entire company on me. Fast forward couple years later, I do my MBA from a top school to pivot, and Estée Lauder is recruiting on campus. They of course love my background with chemical engineering and now MBA. And I straight up tell them, sorry I’m not interested in their company. I don’t tell them the specific reason, but that interview process left such a bad taste in my mouth I don’t want anything to do with them; it’s the impression I have of their culture.
What's sad is this type of stuff has become the norm. I've had several interviews over the years where it was painfully obvious that they were just going through the motions. They had either already decided on someone else or had already decided they weren't going to hire me. It would be nice if they could cut the bullshit and save me the time and energy and just not have me come in for the interview. Sick and tired of jumping through hoops only to be kicked aside.
Disrespectful , cruel, game playing, with a god complex. If you want a test, go back to school.
I wouldn't even call it a test. It's more of a hazing ritual.
Desperation test
🛎️🛎️🛎️ That’s the correct answer. They are looking for desperate people. Someone that wants the job so badly that will stay there for hours (and doesn’t have anywhere else to go).
Exactly this. If you make it through this “test” they know you’ll accept all sorts of buildout on the job.
Fuck that employer. You’re basically telling the applicants that their time isn’t valuable. What if one of the applicants had to pick up kids or something?
How to eliminate a parent from the candidate pool without asking them if they have kids
Exactly! The first people that leave are the people who say you know what, screw this, I am worth more than this and can get a better job. The last two that stayed were probably the most desperate.
Don't worry, I'm pretty sure this only happened in the imagination of that twitter user.
^this. He wants that happen though. It shows how he thinks about his employees. Someone should expose him if this isn't a repost from 5yrs ago...
Not of patience it's a test of desperatuon If I'm desperate enough I'm sleeping there otherwise I'm gone by 8 AM
If you only hire people who are desperate, you're definitely not hiring quality candidates. At my job we openly acknowledge the people we're trying to hire likely have other offers and discuss what makes us a more attractive option. Interviews are a two way process.
A teat of how little of a life they’d have outside of work. Will make it easier for the employers to give them max or “extra” hours
That was a test of abuse tolerance.
And they hired the people who took the abuse. That must be the employer of the year.
Test of willingness to be disrespected, abused, walked on, treated as worthless, etc.
This is a test of OC's ability to imagine a clever and plausible test. Try again, OC
“I have to pick up my kid from school” “No patience that one”
"I'm diabetic and have to eat, or my blood sugar will tank." "No patience that one."
"I value my time and the time of my coworkers and take extra care to ensure deadlines are met or extensions are requested in advance, I expect the same from my employers" "No patience that one."
A parable with a similar story could show how the people who left first got the job because they understood the value of their time.
I'd still fuck off from this employer. Playing mind games, red flag.
I know, right!??
How to spot a toxic work environment.
By 3pm? I'm leaving after 30 minutes.
This is how you know the story is bullshit. No one would have been there past 8 am
No one’s mentioned the other obvious reaction: getting up and asking what’s going on, whether it’s been cancelled, noting that you have to leave to take care of other appointments or your existing job, etc. Would they straight up lie to you to try to delay? Yeesh.
Exactly. No one is waiting around 11 hours for a job interview when it was promised to be at a certain time. I don't care how desperate you are, if you don't see the interviewer at the promised time, give or take a half hour or so, then you assume it's not happening at all.
If they are so willing to abuse prospective candidates what makes you think they won't abuse their employees at least that badly?
Nah man, interviews are a two-way street. As a candidate, the way I'm treated before, during and after the interview and the hiring process tells me a lot about whether the company is a good match for me.
My skill is that I nothing better to do, nowhere else to go or perhaps I am just too lazy to go there. You call it patience ? Fits me, thanks for hiring me. When is nap time?
what did they win? A shitty job with a shitty company that treats its employees like shit
3 left, 2 stayed and got the job. What happened to the other 1?
Right? Some say he’s still waiting there…
Or the twist is, the manager was the other one?
He disguised himself as an employee
Same as all the others because they’re all fictional
This is so stupid. If you don’t respect my time, I sure as hell am not going to respect yours.
If I was the winning candidate I would have shown up the first day at 7pm to start my shift.
I used to be a hiring manager. Most of the time the people I was interviewing had already been through multiple rounds of interviews with HR. They also typically already had jobs and were using their PTO or sacrificing their lunch break to attend the interview. The last thing I would want to do is waste their time by making them sit around in a "test of patience". Also can't imagine using "willing to sit around for 11 hours while I ignore them" as a criteria for being hired onto my team. I want to know that you're a good fit, both in skillset as well as socially. Large parts of the interview is just bullshitting and getting to know you. I'm going to be working with you for 40 - 50 hours a week, ideally for multiple years. Would like that time to be as pleasant as possible for both of us.
It's not a test of patience, it's a test of ability to be walked over. They were looking for slaves desperately in need of the job for survival.
BS didnt happen
How to find candidates with the least amount of self respect so they can exploit them
That’s not a test of patience. That’s a test of who’s enough of a bitch ass yes man that would waste all that time and energy. When I was in school, our teachers told us to always take 2 things to a job interview: a pen and a copy of your resume. I have always held to that and I’m 47 now. Anyway, many years ago, I was scheduled for an interview at Wegmans. I took a pen and a copy of my resume, as I do. The lady doing interviews kept us waiting for 2 hours before coming out and claiming she was never told we were there. Nothing like throwing your people under the bus in front of prospective new employees. She interviewed me and at the end, asked for her pen back. I told her the truth, that I had brought it with me. She argued the point. I took my pen out with me. I didn’t get the job.
Abed would have gotten the job as well. Annie would have lost her mind in the process, though.
Employment is a two way street. If your employer is going to treat you like shit, you don’t want to work there. The three who left made the right move, but should’ve left far earlier.
Looks like LinkedIn disease has spread to Twitter
I’m not some ancient Chinese proverb Shaman or a Japanese Samurai Warrior. I don’t need to be taught lessons in this manner. Screw that company. If I was one of the candidates who walked away, I would consider myself lucky.
Interview at 7 a.m., and nobody talking to me by 8 a.m. means no interview at all...that's not a test. This is made up. By 2 p.m., everyone left because nobody packs a lunch for an interview
I'll take red flags of companies you never, ever want to work at for $1,000 Alex.
Pretty sure the interviewing was seeing who had the lowest self esteem and most desperation.
The chances this actually happened were approximately 0%.
I’ll take things that never happened for $500
Test is about how much disrespect and humiliation you can take.
If this is how little respect you get as a job applicant, imagine actually working for these jackasses!
Test of how desperate you are.
ya'll just eagerly accept that this happened. That 5 people would just sit around and do nothing for 8 hours and then 2 would sit for 11 hours and I guess person number 6 is still waiting to this day.
Personally I prefer employees that understand the cost of their time.