Flannel jokes, pictures of random bald guy asking if it’s fantano, Death grips jokes, MBDTF being a 6, asking for the sub’s approval of albums; “what do we think of this??”, “rate my topster,” etc
i think OP here has purposely posted a clickbaity title with a VERY misleading photo out of a long post that someone wrote in that sub. its being taken out of context
not trying to say anything but i'd just urge you to give the entire post a read and form your own conclusion.
Here's the - [**POST**](https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodAssSub/comments/1at2u95/the_abuse_of_the_word_nazi_and_how_it_has_been/)
To be honest I don’t really care. He’s either mentally ill or a complete fucking moron and is definitely an anti semite.
Imagine being that fucking unhinged that you make Alex Jones squirm and become the voice of reason.
I mean they’re losers for a million reasons, but I just don’t get how they both hate Fantano for clearly having an opinion, but also hate Fantano for not “reviewing” the album. ITS JUST HIS OPINION
My favourite is when they say, "he's a music reviewer, it's his job to review the album. He has to do it!" like Fantano has absolutely no say in the matter and is just required by law to review every single album ever.
Starting to feel embarrassed for being invested in ye’s music with all the clownery from his fans. I love his music but ppl will legit say anything to defend him
Same here man.
Like I get the mental health aspect, and believe it obviously has a big impact on kanyes erratic and illogical behaviour (especially when having experience with knowing how bad bipolar can get in friends and family).
But honestly it's not an excuse, his mental health is his responsibility, especially when he has so much resources.
Edit: just realised the guys comments not even tryna play the mental health card it's just straight up trying to defend his actions that's even more dumb
I don’t know if his fanbase was always this bad or has he attracted more edge lords these past years? It’s honestly pathetic what some of these people are doing and saying. That and Kanye’s own antics has pushed me away from his music completely.
People were rabid fans of his for a very long time and did a lot of work to rationalize/excuse a lot of his behaviour well before this. Anytime he did anything wrong, people would just say he was just getting attention before releasing an album, he was misunderstood and didn't actually mean what he said, etc.
The cultish attitude toward him seems like it really took hold after MBDTF, and Kanye was still being scolded widely after the MTV Taylor Swift incident. Obviously, there was massive Kanye fandom before then, but it didn't have the "Kanye can do no wrong. He is the greatest artist of all time" flavour that it does today.
I know cause I embarrassingly was one of them until the Trump/Slavery was a choice stuff - but was still a fan of his music after that point until he went Nazi. Now, I can't even listen to any of his music, even his older stuff. I think the people who've stayed on the bandwagon for this long are just the bottom of the barrel, worst of the worst.
Just remember that everything pre Wyoming was made by a very different Kanye who is easy to connect to and be invested in. It’s not like he always was this way.
I straight up feel Ye might be the best artist of the 21st century when you consider his albums+shit he made for other people
His fans are the fucking worst though and I would hate to ever be associated with them lol
The actual historical Nazi party hasn’t existed since the 40s so technically speaking no one in the modern day is a Nazi. But that’s obviously a silly standard to set. Kanye is a vocal antisemite who has stated he loves Hitler and thinks he is misunderstood. I think that’s a pretty reasonable bar for using the word
The idea that we can only call someone a Nazi if they precisely follow the official doctrine of the actual NSDAP is silly, imo. You think the average German citizen who supported the party, or soldier who fought in the Wehrmacht, had a thorough understanding of the party’s ideology? No, they were just normal people who bought into the propaganda hype around Hitler, his nationalist myth making, and were complacent or bigoted enough to accept his scapegoating of Jews.
The same goes today. There are many people alive who would self identify as Nazis with little to no understanding of the history or ideology beyond memes they saw on 4chan. Yet we call them Nazis anyway because they endorse Hitler and because they share his antisemitic views.
BTW, trying to downplay Kanye’s antisemitism by calling it ‘Christian virtue’ is a bad move if you have any idea about how European Christians have treated Jews for thousands of years. But regardless that idea he was praising Hitler in a Christian ‘god loves everyone’ way is nonsense, the guy literally hung out with Nick Fuentes, denied the Holocaust and said he was going to ‘go defcon 3 on Jewish people’.
Aight I typed out a whole response to this dude only to realise he deleted his comment after I was done typing it, so I’m just gonna paste it here anyway in case anyone’s interested:
Your understanding of Nazism, and its relationship to antisemitism more broadly, leaves a lot to be desired. I’ll try and explain how - apologies if this ends up being an essay.
Firstly, I want to address this statement -
>If you actively supported the party, you knew what it’s about beyond just antisemitism
This isn’t exactly true. A lot of the head scratching people do about “how could people possibly have voted for someone as openly genocidal as Hitler” is based on a misunderstanding of how the Nazis gained power. They were fairly open about their antisemitism and desire to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe, as displayed in Mein Kampf.
However this doesn’t mean these beliefs formed the forefront of their public image. In Hitler’s speeches during the expansion, capture and consolidation of power, he mentioned his hatred of Jews relatively infrequently. Much more emphasised was the perceived injustice of the post WW1 settlement and the need for a strong leader to restore Germany to its previous greatness. This was the image of Hitler that sold the mainstream of German society on Nazism. For probably the majority of Nazi voters/supporters during this time, the antisemitism played a relatively minor role in their support.
Their support of Hitler/Nazism was grounded more in their nationalism than in the knowledge of the specifics of the Nazi worldview. If you want to read more about this, I’d suggest Ian Kershaw’s excellent book ‘The Hitler Myth’, which is all about the public perception of the Nazis in Germany. So based on this, if you want to say that literal Nazi voters and supporters can’t be considered as such because they didn’t understand the party’s ideology in the same terms as we do with the benefit of hindsight, then I’d say your definition is beginning to look a little silly.
>it’s entirely possible there were soldiers who didn’t believe in Nazi rhetoric and therefore were not Nazis
The problem with this kind of argument is that we can never know what was going on inside people’s heads. We can only make guesses about their beliefs based on their actions and statements. So you could literally apply your logic to anyone within the Nazi regime - it’s theoretically possible that gas chamber operators in Auschwitz didn’t personally believe in Nazi ideology, for example. But even if they didn’t they still took part in implementing the Nazi programme, and excluding them on the basis of their internal thoughts rather than their material actions makes very little sense to me.
Now in terms of your understanding of antisemitism more broadly, the problem we’re going to run into is that Nazism was not a break from traditional European antisemitism, it was a continuation. The central Nazi belief in the stab-in-the-back myth (that traitorous Jews were responsible for Germany’s defeat in WW1) is entirely consistent with decades of European antisemitism that characterised Jews in exactly the same terms, just different circumstances. It goes all the way back to the death of Jesus.
This is also consistent with kanye’s own antisemitism, e.g. his ‘it was a Jewish doctor’ thing, accusing his doctor of trying to kill him. It’s the same canard just within a different context. So yes you may be right that Kanye’s antisemitism is *just* good old fashioned European antisemitism, but this makes little sense given that Hitler and the Nazis are a) by far the most famous examples of this antisemitism and b) they’re also the ones that Kanye happened to spend a year publicly praising.
The other major element of Nazi ideology is the belief in the necessity of creating Lebensraum for German settlers by ethnically cleansing Eastern Europe. To my knowledge Kanye has not said anything that would fit a modern application of this principle, but I would argue that would be a silly reason to consider him not to be a Nazi given it’s such a specific belief that doesn’t really have much relevance to his own life.
And regarding the Holocaust denial thing, I got that from a Politico article linked on his wiki page about his appearance on Alex Jones’ show. It may be wrong, tbh I don’t feel like rewatching the appearance but even if he doesn’t specifically say that, he has still regularly appeared with Nick Fuentes who has denied the Holocaust himself.
Shame the person you’re replying to won’t see this. And a bigger shame that even if they did, they probably wouldn’t change their views. But thanks for typing it up.
No problem, glad you found it useful. I’m not a WW2 expert by any means but based on what I have read it always seems to me like there are a lot of misconceptions in how the war is viewed in the public consciousness. And as a result we learn the wrong lessons from it
edit: HAAHAHA THIS YOU FAM
Go to the comment, I was responding to a picture that showed a black girl with a swastika T-shirt and big titties. It was funny😭😭😭
You need to be a (typically white) nationalist to be one, not just antisemitic. My grandfather is pretty much as liberal as you can get, but since he's antisemitic would you say he's a Nazi?? Would you say Farrakan is a Nazi since he's antisemitic?
People engaging in outright antisemitism and defending pro-Hitler rhetoric is exactly why Kanye should be thrown in the trash. Fuck nazis and fuck you if you defend them
Wow this is full mask off antisemitism. Thinking "knowing and being friends with Jewish people" is a negative is just... WOW these people are fucking brain dead
EDIT: I totally read this wrong, my bad, but still, fuck this guy and Kanye and all his defenders. You're never gonna suck his dick just stop
He didn't say that?. He pulled the 'Kanye has jewish friends so he's less anti-semitic' card which I don't really agree with much, but you're just misinterpreting the original post
Yeah just because Kanye didn't personally commit the holocaust, doesn't mean he's not a Nazi, since he hasn't convincingly retracted his views even if he isn't spouting them 24/7 smh
Kanye admitted he loves Hitler. Does it really matter all that much whether or not Kanye qualifies as a Nazi, cause even if he doesn't, then he's just a dude who still loves a genocidal maniac who is the greatest mass murderer who ever lived. I kind of feel like Kanye isn't a great guy either way.
Why would I want to listen to and support someone who has aligned himself with some nasty people? His past music is tainted for me, as somebody who used to be a massive fan. Hell, I had a cardboard cutout of him in my room for years. His new music is ass and he has become more horrible than he ever was. And if you tell somebody you listen to Kanye and they aren't familiar with his music, there's a 99% chance they now think you are a Nazi sympathiser and an alt-right weirdo.
No thanks, I'll listen to other people.
Kanye apologists are weirdos and Fantano has been acting like a weirdo. both are true.
\*btw OP u/Comfortable_Cycle226 you're being a weirdo too, stop crusading on every kanye sub and go outside
https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodAssSub/s/hRqAzhrEsW
The full context is even worse. The idea that Nazi is a meaningless term because it’s used to describe the guy who said he’s a Nazi and likes Nazis and hangs out with Nazis and invites Nazis to dinners with former presidents.
if you think it matters in this scenario, you're already a nazi defender and not worth speaking to under any circumstance
e: thank you for the downvotes! I'll make sure to file them under "future fourth reich members"
So we agree?
Where did you get to the conclusion that exposure to antisemitism via **asking for a link for more information**is an instant conversion to someone being antisemitic? Have you ever considered that not everyone “both sides” shit and just wants to see bozos fail to defend antisemitism?
"Worst case scenario the album is down for a day because I refuse to believe that after how much this album has blown up that Kanye couldn't find another distributor in a heartbeat"
lmfao you're out of your goddamn mind if you think I'm going to have a conversation with you
keep it up and see where you end up in life
Yall are going to rip me apart for this but I kind of agree with OP, absolutely nothing Ye has said or done demonstrates that he has even a baseline grasp on Nazism or Fascism, and anyone with half a brain can see he’s just trying to say the crazy thing you can’t say. Like he has been his entire career.
That doesn’t make it ok, and it doesn’t absolve him of criticism. But do I think Kanye like, understands Mein Kampf? Absolutely not lmao
exactly i've always thought that kanye is saying all this shit to just he provocative which i find completely insane and it doesn't make what he says any better, but it just put things into perspective, he is just a crazy man who happens to be a musical genius, there is an interview coming where hes supposed to take back everything he said and apologize, and i really hope he does, because it just makes us (the fans) look terrible, idgaf if hes losing money or if his reputation is going down the drain, he did this to himself, i just dont wanna be associated with someone who people see as a nazi, and i wanna be able to listen to his music without ppl thinking i'm a crazy right wing guy or a nazi supporter
Nah. Kanye said he wouldn’t associate with a Jew unless he had 24/7 access to their bank accounts, phone, house, etc. He also blames Jews for his “nonexistent” mental illness and also thinks Jews killed his mom, even though she really died from multiple post operative factors from several cosmetic surgeries and she also left the hospital against the doctor’s advice.
Whether he actually has a grasp of Nazism or not, the insanely antisemitic things he has said plus his love of Hitler means he is too far gone and not just trying to say crazy things for attention
the hitler love thing i'm pretty sure was just not well articulated by him... the entire message was just love everyone and i think hes just too stupid to articulate it well, and it is pretty dumb to love hitler lmao. but the whole jews thing i believe he was just tryna be provocative, thats just me tho, still doesnt justify it, but i think hes just insane and likes to ragebait and make people mad
The Hitler thing is easy to explain as a lot of people have said over the years that Hitler was a magnetic person even though he was also a terrible person.
The Jew comments are unforgivable though in my opinion and I honestly don’t see how you or anyone can simply say he was trying to be provocative. He literally said he doesn’t trust any Jews, wouldn’t hire them, thinks they are trying to control him by misdiagnosing him with Bipolar disorder, and thinks they killed his mom. That is straight up antisemitic rhetoric and propaganda used to blame other people for your problems. The worst part is he has influenced a lot of his more feeble minded fanbase to feel the same. So whether he’s just trying to provocative or not, he’s doing an immense level of harm to this world by influencing young minds to be hateful for no reason
Nah. Kanye said he wouldn’t associate with a Jew unless he had 24/7 access to their bank accounts, phone, house, etc. He also blames Jews for his “nonexistent” mental illness and also thinks Jews killed his mom, even though she really died from multiple post operative factors from several cosmetic surgeries and she also left the hospital against the doctor’s advice.
Whether he actually has a grasp of Nazism or not, the insanely antisemitic things he has said plus his love of Hitler means he is too far gone and not just trying to say crazy things for attention
it's like there's been a very distinct set of kanye fans ever since the infowars incident. kanye fans have always been quick to defend him but ever since 2022 they seem so obsessive and practically worship him to a certain degree, especially the fans on twitter. even the 2015 kanye fans would've called him out on his bullshit had he done this back then
Tbh when it Vultures dropped I did find myself defending it a bit, but the more antisemetic and just straight racist stuff I see from other people who are defending it, the less I want to be associated with it at all.
I might enjoy a lot of the songs but I’m not tryna be lumped in with Hitler apologists.
Fantano is right about Kanye’s music and the fact that any of you nerds are out here even defending just the music is hilarious and shows how little you understand the art. Virtually every album since Yeezus has been half baked trash that has the production value of a stoned 16 year old. Antisemitism aside (which I can’t fucking believe I have to say) the music is objectively bad.
Hey he still had that lowkey passion in TLOP, KSG and Ye. Although he was always embroiled in controversy but his music delivered. Ever since the "Everybody wanted Yandhi, then Jesus Christ did the laundry" his music went downhill though.
Albeit I don't think I will ever enjoy his future music (even if it slaps) because I just don't find it realistic to disentangle the Nazi persona he built now.
Yea - I actually went to that tour and also really liked that album at the time. I thought the stream of consciousness feel of it all was new and fresh and fun. In retrospect it just feels like the beginning of a brutal mental health spiral. So it’s lost a lot of its appeal to me.
Kanye used to be my favorite musician. As soon as he said the hitler stuff, it’s like, nope I’m done. I’m not going to do mental gymnastics to defend his behavior. It’s just a bummer because I really miss listening to his music.
It’s actually not that. It’s “Thank the fucking Lord [that] Fantano…” using a comma would make it Lord, Fantano; meaning you’re specifying that the Lord’s name is Fantano.
I just saw the full post. It was actually quite nuanced, but of course you’ve cropped this out of context to make Ye fans look bad. A lot of Ye fans are horrible people who are willing to excuse his actions and those people should rightfully be ridiculed. But there’s a lack of nuance on both sides - evident both here and by a lot of Ye fans
Bro, labelling Ye a Nazi does more harm than good, it essentially takes all meaning from the term
It’s like how the word terrorist has been thrown around casually so recently it’s lost all meaning
Calling Ye a Nazi does more harm than good to Jewish people. It detracts from real problems, real antisemitism and real neo-nazism.
Idk When you chronically online people realise that the real problem lies elsewhere
What ye said was wrong, but these types of discussions are entirely unproductive as they detract from the larger issue of antisemitism.
He introduced Trump to Nick Fuentes. Functionally empowering Nazis to meet one of the most powerful people in the country is good enough for me to label as a Nazi
dude Ye himself called Ye a nazi. You listen to the things hes saying, its straight up nazi shit, no two ways around it. he was literally calling for people to harm Jews and spreading hate, helping nornalize it, and now stupid dumb fucking people like you are deciding his hate isnt "real" hate because of whatever reason.
there isnt a way to be more straightforward and blunt about how hateful you are than the way he did it.
like, how exactly is Yes blatant antisemitism not "real" antisemitism.
Sorry, can you point me to when he called himself that
To be honest, I doubt if anything he says can be even taken seriously now
But to compare the ramblings of a clearly crazed man to a regime which systematically killed millions and spread hate and evil seems disrespectful to me
Just my two cents
I mean he said “I love Hitler” and talked about going “dethcon” on the Jews lmao. No one is saying he’s pushing the button for the gas chambers but he clearly wanted to be identified as at least nazi adjacent.
my favorite one is some idf soldiers putting his name in a missil to attack the palestinian population, that guy kanye has made so much damage to the jewish
(this isn’t in reference to OP but just the comments at the bottom of this post) the mods of this sub do a poor ass job of modding this subreddit. you’ve got people at the bottom of this thread defending full blown nazism. you would think they would be on any post that mentioned kanye monitoring shit since the first thread but they aren’t
yall are really weird. it’s honestly bad for discourse in general to slap the word nazi on anyone, and yes EVEN people engaging in anti semitism. i know this maybe sounds ridiculous. if you’re not willing to think in a nuanced way about language, whatever, but there is a clear difference between colded blooded fascism and the racism that has come from kanye. i know he’s a polarazing figure but it’s ultimately disengeneous to put the most extreme label you can on someone even if you disagree with what they’re saying. it dilutes the power of the term. if anyone can just be a *nazi* for saying some racist shit, the term becomes useless. and fascists use that lack of care against us, i think.
He's not just saying things that Nazis like and agree with (which he is), but he's also hanging out/platforming open and avowed nazis like Nick Fuentes. It's disingenuous for a person to tell you who they are over and over again and to try and find excuses as to why that might not be true. Why? What about Kanye is worth this?
Completely ignore everything about the context and just disregard it saying Kanye is a loser with a loser fanbase
I remember when fantano fans were like slightly respected 😭
What context makes praise of Hitler reasonable? What context leads to jackasses saying things like "He's still friends with jews" as a negative that is acceptable?
The context is that Kanye was preaching love for everybody, just like it says in the bible
He’s pushing the idea that even the worst people deserve love, he’s saying even the people that have done these horrible things have some good in their heart/have some redeeming qualities.
Yes he ended up going too far saying shit like defcon on jews etc (only after the media forced the idea he was a nazi after taking his original comments and twisting them for headlines)and it’s not new for Kanye to double down and refuse to let the media control him lmao, if you genuinely in your heart believe Kanye is a Nazi you are ignorant yourself lol
But yeah nah trying to push positivity and love for everyone on earth is a ridiculous idea ur right let’s just bash the mentally ill dude even more
(Not saying mental illness is an excuse but it is just factual)
That second paragraph going into the first line of the next is fucking hilarious hahaha. He just wants everyone to love everyone! Yes he went too far saying his was going to go deacon on the Jews but-
Read what you’re saying dude. No way you’re falling for his dumbass roundabout excuse for saying all of this hateful shit. That’s the type of excuse a teenager would use getting in trouble with their parents.
Well, when you try to get people to sympathize with Hitler while sitting next to and on a media tour with an actual avowed Nazi (Fuentes) while continually going after Jewish people, what does he expect?
If he's mentally ill, he should drop out of the spotlight and get help. Not drag his young fan base into the darkness with him.
Yes, I do. Someone who complemented Stalin is not necessarily a Stalinist, or Biden a neo-liberal, etc.
It’s kinda obvious unless you just refuse to think for two seconds.
Context is important and just because he complimented hitler doesn’t mean he’s a fucking nazi lmao 🤦♂️🤦♂️
He’s saying there’s good parts in everyone, even one of the worst humans in history
He’s preaching unrealistic positivity
Learn some history. Do you think that the nazis started with straight up killing people and putting people into kz?
Also if you don’t know who that is then maybe google him and his connection with Kanye and watch what they did together instead of talking on a topic that you clearly don’t have all the information on.
How can you defend Kanye if you don’t even know the things that he did?
Just because I don’t know one single thing about this huge topic doesn’t mean my entire opinion is invalid lol don’t try that bs
I’ll educate myself on that nick thing later I was unaware of that
It’s one of the biggest parts of this whole thing. He was the one who sat next to Kanye when he was on the Alex Jones show where he made the comments about Hitler that you are defending.
So how can you defend a topic when you don’t know something super important about the exact issue that you choose to defend?
> Context is important and just because he complimented hitler doesn’t mean he’s a fucking nazi lmao 🤦♂️🤦♂️
[Him literally saying “I’m a Nazi” on the other hand…](https://x.com/Act_On_/status/1598660688318038017?s=20)
Yes. He said a troubling things and associated with people who have openly said they would. He hung out with Fuentes for a year and hired the guy. Called Nick a genius. Nick Fuentes has absolutely called for the killing of all Jewish people. So should I ignore all of that to say Ye doesn’t believe any of what the people he associates with and calls smart etc, are saying? If he didn’t think Fuentes’ ideas were good, why did he hire him to run a campaign for him
I think they think that it's impossible for Kanye West to be a Nazi because he's black. I'm guessing the criteria they're alluding to is that Kanye can be exempt because he doesn't fit the mold of the typical white supremacist in their head.
bruh i feel like fantano never said anything that ridiculous, in fact i agree with most of what he said in his video, but everyone who listens to kanye keeps labelling it as a "meltdown". like no, anthony just had some (ironically) counter-cultural opinions, and objectively articulated them pretty well. there is no line drawn between swifties and westies anymore, theyre both retarded cults full of young people whose parents failed to bring them to a comprehensive understanding of how reality operates
Flannel jokes, pictures of random bald guy asking if it’s fantano, Death grips jokes, MBDTF being a 6, asking for the sub’s approval of albums; “what do we think of this??”, “rate my topster,” etc
What’s this world come to, so you can’t even say that you love hitler anymore without some criticism? Wokeness gone mad!
i think OP here has purposely posted a clickbaity title with a VERY misleading photo out of a long post that someone wrote in that sub. its being taken out of context not trying to say anything but i'd just urge you to give the entire post a read and form your own conclusion. Here's the - [**POST**](https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodAssSub/comments/1at2u95/the_abuse_of_the_word_nazi_and_how_it_has_been/)
The post is garbage
To be honest I don’t really care. He’s either mentally ill or a complete fucking moron and is definitely an anti semite. Imagine being that fucking unhinged that you make Alex Jones squirm and become the voice of reason.
Nah, fuck off outta here with your antisemitism apologia.
oh neat this sub is back
Took a week lol
I mean they’re losers for a million reasons, but I just don’t get how they both hate Fantano for clearly having an opinion, but also hate Fantano for not “reviewing” the album. ITS JUST HIS OPINION
My favourite is when they say, "he's a music reviewer, it's his job to review the album. He has to do it!" like Fantano has absolutely no say in the matter and is just required by law to review every single album ever.
Id also call that video a review
Literally tho lol
He literally 'reviewed' the album anyway lmao
Starting to feel embarrassed for being invested in ye’s music with all the clownery from his fans. I love his music but ppl will legit say anything to defend him
Same here man. Like I get the mental health aspect, and believe it obviously has a big impact on kanyes erratic and illogical behaviour (especially when having experience with knowing how bad bipolar can get in friends and family). But honestly it's not an excuse, his mental health is his responsibility, especially when he has so much resources. Edit: just realised the guys comments not even tryna play the mental health card it's just straight up trying to defend his actions that's even more dumb
I feel for him and his struggles with mental health, but it’s not an excuse to praise Hitler and say slavery is a choice.
It’s also a bit insulting to the many other people with severe mental health issues that never go on public antisemitic rants
I feel like it’s a little similar to the cult of raving lunatics that Musk’s gathered. The hivemind is real.
*turns on Living Colour’s Cult of Personality*
I don’t know if his fanbase was always this bad or has he attracted more edge lords these past years? It’s honestly pathetic what some of these people are doing and saying. That and Kanye’s own antics has pushed me away from his music completely.
Since 2018 he’s gradually alienated most of his reasonable fans. It wasn’t always like this
People were rabid fans of his for a very long time and did a lot of work to rationalize/excuse a lot of his behaviour well before this. Anytime he did anything wrong, people would just say he was just getting attention before releasing an album, he was misunderstood and didn't actually mean what he said, etc. The cultish attitude toward him seems like it really took hold after MBDTF, and Kanye was still being scolded widely after the MTV Taylor Swift incident. Obviously, there was massive Kanye fandom before then, but it didn't have the "Kanye can do no wrong. He is the greatest artist of all time" flavour that it does today. I know cause I embarrassingly was one of them until the Trump/Slavery was a choice stuff - but was still a fan of his music after that point until he went Nazi. Now, I can't even listen to any of his music, even his older stuff. I think the people who've stayed on the bandwagon for this long are just the bottom of the barrel, worst of the worst.
Just remember that everything pre Wyoming was made by a very different Kanye who is easy to connect to and be invested in. It’s not like he always was this way.
I just pirate it really, he won't receive a single cent from me if I listen to his music (pre-nazi era of course)
I straight up feel Ye might be the best artist of the 21st century when you consider his albums+shit he made for other people His fans are the fucking worst though and I would hate to ever be associated with them lol
I think his association with Travis and carti has made his fanbase worse bc now half of them are probably 13 or younger.
Kanye "I love Hitler" West, a Nazi? Surely not
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The actual historical Nazi party hasn’t existed since the 40s so technically speaking no one in the modern day is a Nazi. But that’s obviously a silly standard to set. Kanye is a vocal antisemite who has stated he loves Hitler and thinks he is misunderstood. I think that’s a pretty reasonable bar for using the word
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The idea that we can only call someone a Nazi if they precisely follow the official doctrine of the actual NSDAP is silly, imo. You think the average German citizen who supported the party, or soldier who fought in the Wehrmacht, had a thorough understanding of the party’s ideology? No, they were just normal people who bought into the propaganda hype around Hitler, his nationalist myth making, and were complacent or bigoted enough to accept his scapegoating of Jews. The same goes today. There are many people alive who would self identify as Nazis with little to no understanding of the history or ideology beyond memes they saw on 4chan. Yet we call them Nazis anyway because they endorse Hitler and because they share his antisemitic views. BTW, trying to downplay Kanye’s antisemitism by calling it ‘Christian virtue’ is a bad move if you have any idea about how European Christians have treated Jews for thousands of years. But regardless that idea he was praising Hitler in a Christian ‘god loves everyone’ way is nonsense, the guy literally hung out with Nick Fuentes, denied the Holocaust and said he was going to ‘go defcon 3 on Jewish people’.
Aight I typed out a whole response to this dude only to realise he deleted his comment after I was done typing it, so I’m just gonna paste it here anyway in case anyone’s interested: Your understanding of Nazism, and its relationship to antisemitism more broadly, leaves a lot to be desired. I’ll try and explain how - apologies if this ends up being an essay. Firstly, I want to address this statement - >If you actively supported the party, you knew what it’s about beyond just antisemitism This isn’t exactly true. A lot of the head scratching people do about “how could people possibly have voted for someone as openly genocidal as Hitler” is based on a misunderstanding of how the Nazis gained power. They were fairly open about their antisemitism and desire to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe, as displayed in Mein Kampf. However this doesn’t mean these beliefs formed the forefront of their public image. In Hitler’s speeches during the expansion, capture and consolidation of power, he mentioned his hatred of Jews relatively infrequently. Much more emphasised was the perceived injustice of the post WW1 settlement and the need for a strong leader to restore Germany to its previous greatness. This was the image of Hitler that sold the mainstream of German society on Nazism. For probably the majority of Nazi voters/supporters during this time, the antisemitism played a relatively minor role in their support. Their support of Hitler/Nazism was grounded more in their nationalism than in the knowledge of the specifics of the Nazi worldview. If you want to read more about this, I’d suggest Ian Kershaw’s excellent book ‘The Hitler Myth’, which is all about the public perception of the Nazis in Germany. So based on this, if you want to say that literal Nazi voters and supporters can’t be considered as such because they didn’t understand the party’s ideology in the same terms as we do with the benefit of hindsight, then I’d say your definition is beginning to look a little silly. >it’s entirely possible there were soldiers who didn’t believe in Nazi rhetoric and therefore were not Nazis The problem with this kind of argument is that we can never know what was going on inside people’s heads. We can only make guesses about their beliefs based on their actions and statements. So you could literally apply your logic to anyone within the Nazi regime - it’s theoretically possible that gas chamber operators in Auschwitz didn’t personally believe in Nazi ideology, for example. But even if they didn’t they still took part in implementing the Nazi programme, and excluding them on the basis of their internal thoughts rather than their material actions makes very little sense to me. Now in terms of your understanding of antisemitism more broadly, the problem we’re going to run into is that Nazism was not a break from traditional European antisemitism, it was a continuation. The central Nazi belief in the stab-in-the-back myth (that traitorous Jews were responsible for Germany’s defeat in WW1) is entirely consistent with decades of European antisemitism that characterised Jews in exactly the same terms, just different circumstances. It goes all the way back to the death of Jesus. This is also consistent with kanye’s own antisemitism, e.g. his ‘it was a Jewish doctor’ thing, accusing his doctor of trying to kill him. It’s the same canard just within a different context. So yes you may be right that Kanye’s antisemitism is *just* good old fashioned European antisemitism, but this makes little sense given that Hitler and the Nazis are a) by far the most famous examples of this antisemitism and b) they’re also the ones that Kanye happened to spend a year publicly praising. The other major element of Nazi ideology is the belief in the necessity of creating Lebensraum for German settlers by ethnically cleansing Eastern Europe. To my knowledge Kanye has not said anything that would fit a modern application of this principle, but I would argue that would be a silly reason to consider him not to be a Nazi given it’s such a specific belief that doesn’t really have much relevance to his own life. And regarding the Holocaust denial thing, I got that from a Politico article linked on his wiki page about his appearance on Alex Jones’ show. It may be wrong, tbh I don’t feel like rewatching the appearance but even if he doesn’t specifically say that, he has still regularly appeared with Nick Fuentes who has denied the Holocaust himself.
Shame the person you’re replying to won’t see this. And a bigger shame that even if they did, they probably wouldn’t change their views. But thanks for typing it up.
No problem, glad you found it useful. I’m not a WW2 expert by any means but based on what I have read it always seems to me like there are a lot of misconceptions in how the war is viewed in the public consciousness. And as a result we learn the wrong lessons from it
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edit: HAAHAHA THIS YOU FAM Go to the comment, I was responding to a picture that showed a black girl with a swastika T-shirt and big titties. It was funny😭😭😭
Nah, I'm not going to give you the same benefit of the doubt you're apparently happy to assign to "dinner with Nick Fuentes"
He’s a neo-Nazi. Don’t need to be a German nationalist to be one.
You need to be a (typically white) nationalist to be one, not just antisemitic. My grandfather is pretty much as liberal as you can get, but since he's antisemitic would you say he's a Nazi?? Would you say Farrakan is a Nazi since he's antisemitic?
yes
u dumb?
People engaging in outright antisemitism and defending pro-Hitler rhetoric is exactly why Kanye should be thrown in the trash. Fuck nazis and fuck you if you defend them
If you read the full post you’d realize it wasn’t defending his rhetoric at all. Context is a crazy thing people
And if you look outside you might see some grass that'll be nice to touch
Have you no response to what I actually said?
Any brain power would be wasted
Wow this is full mask off antisemitism. Thinking "knowing and being friends with Jewish people" is a negative is just... WOW these people are fucking brain dead EDIT: I totally read this wrong, my bad, but still, fuck this guy and Kanye and all his defenders. You're never gonna suck his dick just stop
He didn't say that?. He pulled the 'Kanye has jewish friends so he's less anti-semitic' card which I don't really agree with much, but you're just misinterpreting the original post
Shit, you're right. I think this could've used a bit more context but I definitely misread this. Either way, fuck this dude lol
Yeah just because Kanye didn't personally commit the holocaust, doesn't mean he's not a Nazi, since he hasn't convincingly retracted his views even if he isn't spouting them 24/7 smh
Learn to read lil bro
Kanye admitted he loves Hitler. Does it really matter all that much whether or not Kanye qualifies as a Nazi, cause even if he doesn't, then he's just a dude who still loves a genocidal maniac who is the greatest mass murderer who ever lived. I kind of feel like Kanye isn't a great guy either way.
This is why I don't listen to Kanye anymore, because I don't want to be associated with these losers
You can just listen to music and not constantly tell everyone about it lol no one is associating you with anyone
Why would I want to listen to and support someone who has aligned himself with some nasty people? His past music is tainted for me, as somebody who used to be a massive fan. Hell, I had a cardboard cutout of him in my room for years. His new music is ass and he has become more horrible than he ever was. And if you tell somebody you listen to Kanye and they aren't familiar with his music, there's a 99% chance they now think you are a Nazi sympathiser and an alt-right weirdo. No thanks, I'll listen to other people.
This is why I don't watch fantano anymore, because I don't want to be associated with these losers
I don't watch Fantano either man I'm just subscribed to this sub for music discussion, nice try.
Kanye apologists are weirdos and Fantano has been acting like a weirdo. both are true. \*btw OP u/Comfortable_Cycle226 you're being a weirdo too, stop crusading on every kanye sub and go outside
This is all because of a Kanye album lmao
Context or full post link??
https://www.reddit.com/r/GoodAssSub/s/hRqAzhrEsW The full context is even worse. The idea that Nazi is a meaningless term because it’s used to describe the guy who said he’s a Nazi and likes Nazis and hangs out with Nazis and invites Nazis to dinners with former presidents.
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Your whole sub has been Nazi defending garbage for the past year
Can you **not** remove a comment after it's been approved? /gen
U Should know by now mfs don’t care about context
if you think it matters in this scenario, you're already a nazi defender and not worth speaking to under any circumstance e: thank you for the downvotes! I'll make sure to file them under "future fourth reich members"
Where did you get this from that comment? Player just wanted the link to the thread.
I just ask for a link to read full post but this guy called me a nazi defender idk why people just throw words without thinking
yeah, they wanted a link to the thread or context for a clear case of defending nazism, I don't see what's so hard to understand here
So we agree? Where did you get to the conclusion that exposure to antisemitism via **asking for a link for more information**is an instant conversion to someone being antisemitic? Have you ever considered that not everyone “both sides” shit and just wants to see bozos fail to defend antisemitism?
Bait or 14 years old?
"Worst case scenario the album is down for a day because I refuse to believe that after how much this album has blown up that Kanye couldn't find another distributor in a heartbeat" lmfao you're out of your goddamn mind if you think I'm going to have a conversation with you keep it up and see where you end up in life
Loving Hitler and hating Jews, I feel like is pretty reasonable Nazi criteria.
Yall are going to rip me apart for this but I kind of agree with OP, absolutely nothing Ye has said or done demonstrates that he has even a baseline grasp on Nazism or Fascism, and anyone with half a brain can see he’s just trying to say the crazy thing you can’t say. Like he has been his entire career. That doesn’t make it ok, and it doesn’t absolve him of criticism. But do I think Kanye like, understands Mein Kampf? Absolutely not lmao
exactly i've always thought that kanye is saying all this shit to just he provocative which i find completely insane and it doesn't make what he says any better, but it just put things into perspective, he is just a crazy man who happens to be a musical genius, there is an interview coming where hes supposed to take back everything he said and apologize, and i really hope he does, because it just makes us (the fans) look terrible, idgaf if hes losing money or if his reputation is going down the drain, he did this to himself, i just dont wanna be associated with someone who people see as a nazi, and i wanna be able to listen to his music without ppl thinking i'm a crazy right wing guy or a nazi supporter
Nah. Kanye said he wouldn’t associate with a Jew unless he had 24/7 access to their bank accounts, phone, house, etc. He also blames Jews for his “nonexistent” mental illness and also thinks Jews killed his mom, even though she really died from multiple post operative factors from several cosmetic surgeries and she also left the hospital against the doctor’s advice. Whether he actually has a grasp of Nazism or not, the insanely antisemitic things he has said plus his love of Hitler means he is too far gone and not just trying to say crazy things for attention
the hitler love thing i'm pretty sure was just not well articulated by him... the entire message was just love everyone and i think hes just too stupid to articulate it well, and it is pretty dumb to love hitler lmao. but the whole jews thing i believe he was just tryna be provocative, thats just me tho, still doesnt justify it, but i think hes just insane and likes to ragebait and make people mad
The Hitler thing is easy to explain as a lot of people have said over the years that Hitler was a magnetic person even though he was also a terrible person. The Jew comments are unforgivable though in my opinion and I honestly don’t see how you or anyone can simply say he was trying to be provocative. He literally said he doesn’t trust any Jews, wouldn’t hire them, thinks they are trying to control him by misdiagnosing him with Bipolar disorder, and thinks they killed his mom. That is straight up antisemitic rhetoric and propaganda used to blame other people for your problems. The worst part is he has influenced a lot of his more feeble minded fanbase to feel the same. So whether he’s just trying to provocative or not, he’s doing an immense level of harm to this world by influencing young minds to be hateful for no reason
Nah. Kanye said he wouldn’t associate with a Jew unless he had 24/7 access to their bank accounts, phone, house, etc. He also blames Jews for his “nonexistent” mental illness and also thinks Jews killed his mom, even though she really died from multiple post operative factors from several cosmetic surgeries and she also left the hospital against the doctor’s advice. Whether he actually has a grasp of Nazism or not, the insanely antisemitic things he has said plus his love of Hitler means he is too far gone and not just trying to say crazy things for attention
it's like there's been a very distinct set of kanye fans ever since the infowars incident. kanye fans have always been quick to defend him but ever since 2022 they seem so obsessive and practically worship him to a certain degree, especially the fans on twitter. even the 2015 kanye fans would've called him out on his bullshit had he done this back then
Tbh when it Vultures dropped I did find myself defending it a bit, but the more antisemetic and just straight racist stuff I see from other people who are defending it, the less I want to be associated with it at all. I might enjoy a lot of the songs but I’m not tryna be lumped in with Hitler apologists.
Fantano is right about Kanye’s music and the fact that any of you nerds are out here even defending just the music is hilarious and shows how little you understand the art. Virtually every album since Yeezus has been half baked trash that has the production value of a stoned 16 year old. Antisemitism aside (which I can’t fucking believe I have to say) the music is objectively bad.
Hey he still had that lowkey passion in TLOP, KSG and Ye. Although he was always embroiled in controversy but his music delivered. Ever since the "Everybody wanted Yandhi, then Jesus Christ did the laundry" his music went downhill though. Albeit I don't think I will ever enjoy his future music (even if it slaps) because I just don't find it realistic to disentangle the Nazi persona he built now.
Hey now the life of Pablo is amazing
Yea - I actually went to that tour and also really liked that album at the time. I thought the stream of consciousness feel of it all was new and fresh and fun. In retrospect it just feels like the beginning of a brutal mental health spiral. So it’s lost a lot of its appeal to me.
Good thing your book don’t mean oogatz to me! 🤌
Saying Ye's music is *objectively* bad is a wild wild take lol
Hey remember when Fantano fans were saying racist jokes? “I love the part where he called Jaden *n word*” in like 2015
Those were everywhere for years it seems
hey remember when kanye fans were grasping at straws? oh wait they're doing it as we speak, nevermind
And then those fans grew up. It happens when you're still in middle school.
In some ways, this reminds me of Anthony addressing Tory Lanez, so I hope he never reviews Kanye again
Ye is not a good person. Vultures is a good album. It’s that simple
Kanye used to be my favorite musician. As soon as he said the hitler stuff, it’s like, nope I’m done. I’m not going to do mental gymnastics to defend his behavior. It’s just a bummer because I really miss listening to his music.
Yeah, why do so many people say Kanye is a Nazi? It's not like he publicly called himself a Nazi or anything, right?
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He's not calling melon "lord" in the title, you're reading it wrong.
"Thank the fucking lord, Fantano \[...\]" you fucking dimwit
It’s actually not that. It’s “Thank the fucking Lord [that] Fantano…” using a comma would make it Lord, Fantano; meaning you’re specifying that the Lord’s name is Fantano.
right. my point still stands
I just saw the full post. It was actually quite nuanced, but of course you’ve cropped this out of context to make Ye fans look bad. A lot of Ye fans are horrible people who are willing to excuse his actions and those people should rightfully be ridiculed. But there’s a lack of nuance on both sides - evident both here and by a lot of Ye fans
Bro, labelling Ye a Nazi does more harm than good, it essentially takes all meaning from the term It’s like how the word terrorist has been thrown around casually so recently it’s lost all meaning Calling Ye a Nazi does more harm than good to Jewish people. It detracts from real problems, real antisemitism and real neo-nazism. Idk When you chronically online people realise that the real problem lies elsewhere What ye said was wrong, but these types of discussions are entirely unproductive as they detract from the larger issue of antisemitism.
He introduced Trump to Nick Fuentes. Functionally empowering Nazis to meet one of the most powerful people in the country is good enough for me to label as a Nazi
He literally hired a Nazi to work for him. Holy lord. Nick Fuentes is a Nazi period.
dude Ye himself called Ye a nazi. You listen to the things hes saying, its straight up nazi shit, no two ways around it. he was literally calling for people to harm Jews and spreading hate, helping nornalize it, and now stupid dumb fucking people like you are deciding his hate isnt "real" hate because of whatever reason. there isnt a way to be more straightforward and blunt about how hateful you are than the way he did it. like, how exactly is Yes blatant antisemitism not "real" antisemitism.
Where did he call for people to harm Jews? I don’t remember that
Never, facts don’t matter when they fit your agenda
Sorry, can you point me to when he called himself that To be honest, I doubt if anything he says can be even taken seriously now But to compare the ramblings of a clearly crazed man to a regime which systematically killed millions and spread hate and evil seems disrespectful to me Just my two cents
I mean he said “I love Hitler” and talked about going “dethcon” on the Jews lmao. No one is saying he’s pushing the button for the gas chambers but he clearly wanted to be identified as at least nazi adjacent.
Literally the Alex Jones interview
People are committing hate crimes on kanye's behalf, and he's had fuck all to say about it.
my favorite one is some idf soldiers putting his name in a missil to attack the palestinian population, that guy kanye has made so much damage to the jewish
Please tell me how the things Kanye has said about Jewish people isn’t “real antisemitism.”
Yeah but bald man made fun of Bianca womp womp Kanye good
(this isn’t in reference to OP but just the comments at the bottom of this post) the mods of this sub do a poor ass job of modding this subreddit. you’ve got people at the bottom of this thread defending full blown nazism. you would think they would be on any post that mentioned kanye monitoring shit since the first thread but they aren’t
yall are really weird. it’s honestly bad for discourse in general to slap the word nazi on anyone, and yes EVEN people engaging in anti semitism. i know this maybe sounds ridiculous. if you’re not willing to think in a nuanced way about language, whatever, but there is a clear difference between colded blooded fascism and the racism that has come from kanye. i know he’s a polarazing figure but it’s ultimately disengeneous to put the most extreme label you can on someone even if you disagree with what they’re saying. it dilutes the power of the term. if anyone can just be a *nazi* for saying some racist shit, the term becomes useless. and fascists use that lack of care against us, i think.
Do you think the NOI has Nazi beliefs? Kanye has fully supported the NOI
He's not just saying things that Nazis like and agree with (which he is), but he's also hanging out/platforming open and avowed nazis like Nick Fuentes. It's disingenuous for a person to tell you who they are over and over again and to try and find excuses as to why that might not be true. Why? What about Kanye is worth this?
Idk man I think anyone who had Nick Fuentes on payroll might be a liiiiiiitle bit of a Nazi
Who cares lmao as long as the music is good. Let the kids listen to 🎶 c
ya trolling or just a fucking idiot?
He ain’t wrong tho
He is.
If u wanna believe that sure
That you don't think praise of Hitler is something that should be shunned in our society is a big problem.
Not in the context he was saying it in Not at all But yall just wanna be upset so there’s no saving you
Who's upset? I'm just tired of hearing about Kanye in any capacity. Dude's a loser who is courting a loser fanbase.
Completely ignore everything about the context and just disregard it saying Kanye is a loser with a loser fanbase I remember when fantano fans were like slightly respected 😭
What context makes praise of Hitler reasonable? What context leads to jackasses saying things like "He's still friends with jews" as a negative that is acceptable?
The context is that Kanye was preaching love for everybody, just like it says in the bible He’s pushing the idea that even the worst people deserve love, he’s saying even the people that have done these horrible things have some good in their heart/have some redeeming qualities. Yes he ended up going too far saying shit like defcon on jews etc (only after the media forced the idea he was a nazi after taking his original comments and twisting them for headlines)and it’s not new for Kanye to double down and refuse to let the media control him lmao, if you genuinely in your heart believe Kanye is a Nazi you are ignorant yourself lol But yeah nah trying to push positivity and love for everyone on earth is a ridiculous idea ur right let’s just bash the mentally ill dude even more (Not saying mental illness is an excuse but it is just factual)
That second paragraph going into the first line of the next is fucking hilarious hahaha. He just wants everyone to love everyone! Yes he went too far saying his was going to go deacon on the Jews but- Read what you’re saying dude. No way you’re falling for his dumbass roundabout excuse for saying all of this hateful shit. That’s the type of excuse a teenager would use getting in trouble with their parents.
Newsflash the Bible is also for losers
Well, when you try to get people to sympathize with Hitler while sitting next to and on a media tour with an actual avowed Nazi (Fuentes) while continually going after Jewish people, what does he expect? If he's mentally ill, he should drop out of the spotlight and get help. Not drag his young fan base into the darkness with him.
Sick cope bud
How's his dick taste?
His dick makes my brain feel like tv static.
You should get that checked out mate
"there's no saving you" coming from a kanye west fan is the craziest thing I've ever seen
“Just because he complimented Hitler doesn’t make him a Nazi.” Do you think anyone in the real world would agree with that?
Yes, I do. Someone who complemented Stalin is not necessarily a Stalinist, or Biden a neo-liberal, etc. It’s kinda obvious unless you just refuse to think for two seconds.
Context is important and just because he complimented hitler doesn’t mean he’s a fucking nazi lmao 🤦♂️🤦♂️ He’s saying there’s good parts in everyone, even one of the worst humans in history He’s preaching unrealistic positivity
Why did he collaborate with literal nazis like Nick Fuentes then?
I’ll be real no idea who he is or what he collaborated on But even if Kanye has collaborated with a nazi, that would not make him a Nazi
Learn some history. Do you think that the nazis started with straight up killing people and putting people into kz? Also if you don’t know who that is then maybe google him and his connection with Kanye and watch what they did together instead of talking on a topic that you clearly don’t have all the information on. How can you defend Kanye if you don’t even know the things that he did?
Just because I don’t know one single thing about this huge topic doesn’t mean my entire opinion is invalid lol don’t try that bs I’ll educate myself on that nick thing later I was unaware of that
It’s one of the biggest parts of this whole thing. He was the one who sat next to Kanye when he was on the Alex Jones show where he made the comments about Hitler that you are defending. So how can you defend a topic when you don’t know something super important about the exact issue that you choose to defend?
> Context is important and just because he complimented hitler doesn’t mean he’s a fucking nazi lmao 🤦♂️🤦♂️ [Him literally saying “I’m a Nazi” on the other hand…](https://x.com/Act_On_/status/1598660688318038017?s=20)
Doesn’t matter if he is or isn’t. If you say the things he said, you’re just a piece of shit.
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do you understand words?
Yes. He said a troubling things and associated with people who have openly said they would. He hung out with Fuentes for a year and hired the guy. Called Nick a genius. Nick Fuentes has absolutely called for the killing of all Jewish people. So should I ignore all of that to say Ye doesn’t believe any of what the people he associates with and calls smart etc, are saying? If he didn’t think Fuentes’ ideas were good, why did he hire him to run a campaign for him
I think they think that it's impossible for Kanye West to be a Nazi because he's black. I'm guessing the criteria they're alluding to is that Kanye can be exempt because he doesn't fit the mold of the typical white supremacist in their head.
bruh i feel like fantano never said anything that ridiculous, in fact i agree with most of what he said in his video, but everyone who listens to kanye keeps labelling it as a "meltdown". like no, anthony just had some (ironically) counter-cultural opinions, and objectively articulated them pretty well. there is no line drawn between swifties and westies anymore, theyre both retarded cults full of young people whose parents failed to bring them to a comprehensive understanding of how reality operates
Damn.... That cap got me worried about young ones eating lead too.
Really starting to hate this subreddit. Can we not post about Kanye for more than an hour?
Disliking/hating Jews makes you a bigot, not a Nazi. Not all bigots are Nazis.
Kanye subreddit has been in shambles