No, you understand perfectly:
["When a Service Member is relocated via a permanent change of station (PCS), the spouse is entitled to MSP for all positions in the commuting area of the new duty station; meaning, they must be selected before other best qualified candidates for the position."](https://www.dodciviliancareers.com/civiliancareers/militaryspouses#:~:text=When%20a%20Service%20Member%20is,qualified%20candidates%20for%20the%20position)
So, having said that, it really depends on where you are going. I'd never take anything for granted and would definitely be looking around for other options. Remote is really agency and position specific but definitely look for them!
MSP basically means if she makes the initial cut from HR we have to hire her unless we can justify a reason not to. Have to interview her and make a hiring decision before we even look at the other applicants
That's good. She will probably be fine then. I'm so glad they even have this program now. It was tough for military spouses with regard to having a career. Still is, but this helps!
Never heard of PPP being available for spouses before, but there's always a first time. She should be applying for jobs at your new installation with your orders under spousal preference.
I think its a DoD specific PPP policy. I'm not 100% sure the difference between that and Military Spouse Preference (MSP). I think your first use after a pcs is one time use higher priority.
Military spouse is a non competitive e hiring authority where thry can get a job above others snd before they are announced. This is common in overseas job announcemrnts. They sweep the spouses first before they even post it out there.
PPP is a different thing. It has to do when an office is closed/ moved/ restructure thst causes layoffs or forced job downgrades.
Stopper is before you can post a job on USA Jobs HRO has to be sure the stopper list is clear. That’s people that were involuntarily displaced etc. ie BRAC, etc military spouse isn’t the same.
My understanding is PPP is for current GS employees whose tour of duty overseas has ended. They have PPP to a GS spot back to the states. MSP is a different program. That’s what was explained to me again I could be wrong, but it sounded right when I heard it.
As an AD spouse who is also a GS employee, I don't believe PPP applies here. MSP may help, but from my experience it only seems to make sure someone actually sees your resume, but does not guarantee a job. In our last few PCS moves I have opted to take a year in LWOP status in hopes that I can find something in that year.
Have her contact the HR office at the base you are PCSing to. They’ll tell her their process. It’s good AND bad. Because they’ll tell her what jobs to apply to, she doesn’t get a choice. She can also apply with spouse preference to any job.
She gets preference in the new location for jobs that are open and that she is qualified for. That’s the tricky part. If there are no jobs open that she’s qualified for she might be SOL.
The likelihood of getting placed depends, in part, what priority level she is. Level 1 is almost guaranteed, but I Believe it's limited to those who are getting displaced. She'll likely be level 3 which is easier for a hiring organization to decline. Also depends on job availability. In DMV, likely no problem. In Arkansas, more of an issue.
Sounds like it will help her with her agency. What you described above would do nothing for her applying at my agency outside of DOD.
Thanks, I didn't realize it was DoD specific, but all the materials I'm finding are DoD, so that seems accurate.
Why is she getting PPP?
Mandatory PCS. I'm active duty. Did I misunderstand the criteria? That's what HR told her and it looked accurate based on what I looked up
No, you understand perfectly: ["When a Service Member is relocated via a permanent change of station (PCS), the spouse is entitled to MSP for all positions in the commuting area of the new duty station; meaning, they must be selected before other best qualified candidates for the position."](https://www.dodciviliancareers.com/civiliancareers/militaryspouses#:~:text=When%20a%20Service%20Member%20is,qualified%20candidates%20for%20the%20position) So, having said that, it really depends on where you are going. I'd never take anything for granted and would definitely be looking around for other options. Remote is really agency and position specific but definitely look for them!
There seem to be a decent number of army hr spots she qualifies for, so that's the goal.
The key is best qualified. That’s a very subjective term.
I guess that's really what I want to know. What exactly does that mean?
MSP basically means if she makes the initial cut from HR we have to hire her unless we can justify a reason not to. Have to interview her and make a hiring decision before we even look at the other applicants
That's good. She will probably be fine then. I'm so glad they even have this program now. It was tough for military spouses with regard to having a career. Still is, but this helps!
Never heard of PPP being available for spouses before, but there's always a first time. She should be applying for jobs at your new installation with your orders under spousal preference.
I think its a DoD specific PPP policy. I'm not 100% sure the difference between that and Military Spouse Preference (MSP). I think your first use after a pcs is one time use higher priority.
Military spouse is a non competitive e hiring authority where thry can get a job above others snd before they are announced. This is common in overseas job announcemrnts. They sweep the spouses first before they even post it out there. PPP is a different thing. It has to do when an office is closed/ moved/ restructure thst causes layoffs or forced job downgrades.
You can get PPP as a spouse when you PCS back from overseas.
i think the spouse needs to be a tenured fed worker.
You’re both correct and incorrect.
PPP is the stopper. She won’t get that. Preference isn’t the same as the stopper list.
What is a stopper? The stuff I'm seeing is that for DoD you get ppp for msp
https://www.dcpas.osd.mil/sites/default/files/2021-09/PPP%20Handbook%20-%20Nov%202019.pdf
Stopper is before you can post a job on USA Jobs HRO has to be sure the stopper list is clear. That’s people that were involuntarily displaced etc. ie BRAC, etc military spouse isn’t the same.
My understanding is PPP is for current GS employees whose tour of duty overseas has ended. They have PPP to a GS spot back to the states. MSP is a different program. That’s what was explained to me again I could be wrong, but it sounded right when I heard it.
Yes-I wasn’t sure either- did not realize that DOD MSP was part of DOD PPP.
This may be helpful. https://www.afpc.af.mil/Portals/70/documents/AIRMAN%20AND%20FAMILY/TAB%203%20Military%20Spouse%20Preference.pdf
As an AD spouse who is also a GS employee, I don't believe PPP applies here. MSP may help, but from my experience it only seems to make sure someone actually sees your resume, but does not guarantee a job. In our last few PCS moves I have opted to take a year in LWOP status in hopes that I can find something in that year.
It's been around for a bit. Push to get the spouse a job. There is probably a checklist somewhere maybe the CPOC would have it.
Have her contact the HR office at the base you are PCSing to. They’ll tell her their process. It’s good AND bad. Because they’ll tell her what jobs to apply to, she doesn’t get a choice. She can also apply with spouse preference to any job.
She gets preference in the new location for jobs that are open and that she is qualified for. That’s the tricky part. If there are no jobs open that she’s qualified for she might be SOL.
The likelihood of getting placed depends, in part, what priority level she is. Level 1 is almost guaranteed, but I Believe it's limited to those who are getting displaced. She'll likely be level 3 which is easier for a hiring organization to decline. Also depends on job availability. In DMV, likely no problem. In Arkansas, more of an issue.