We're ahead of the pack so we're certain to get all of the rewards, but many of my friends who struggle to get 100 normally are definitely going to be missing out on rewards this time.
That's what sucks the most. A lot of people just can't dedicate that much time to the game, as much as they like it and would like to, and they are getting penalized. Not fun.
You only have till next month, you might get close to 100, but unfortunately you don't actually complete it till 150 since the change they made...
Exp grinding is the fastest way to reach 100, else you only get score for completing daily & weekly challenges.
Open up the map, press right, this shows your challenges, tag everything in daily and weekly, these challenges grant you score.
Some days it's kill a certain amount of enemies, or eat/drink something, other times it's break down a certain type of junk, or do a specific event or do a daily operation or expedition.
The weeklies grant more score but are often longer, kill a larger amount of enemies, take several workshops etc.
It sucks. I didn’t care much about the consumables before but they were nice to have. Now I’m avoiding pretty much all of them except the free ones and the atoms so I don’t have to work so hard to get all the cosmetic stuff. I know they seem to think being able to choose what you want is a selling point but why wouldn’t I want everything? It’s especially funny because I’m pretty sure what most people would have wanted was more atoms, but I guess we’re not going to do that.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
I was already playing this game way too much, now I have to spend even more time getting everything I want... it's really turned me off of Fallout...
Yeah. They kinda showed their hand by saying it was so you could pick what you wanted. But then making it so that you still have to unlock pages by level to get the stuff.
I’m not a fan of how so many of the cool items are locked behind the Fallout 1st paywall. With the scoreboard, yes some cool items were locked behind it. But the scoreboard just felt more fair to me.
Like I don't get it... was it to just to make us spend more time playing the game? And if that is the case, did they consider that some of us might be like, "that's it, I've had enough"? Such a turn off, and I am a big Fallout fan.
Even after rank 100, after getting all the rewards, I would still keeping playing to get the repeatable atoms. But if I missed a day or two of dailies, wasn't a big deal. Now they took repeatable atoms away and I find you can't miss like any dailies or weeklies whatsoever if you want everything.
As for cash grab, I find the older system is much better to incentivize people to keep playing for repeatable atoms than than this, once people have grinded to get everything, they will stop. I think I might stop for good this time.
Business wants "engagement" metrics, they tweak shit to increase time people play. Problem is that they targeted wrong metric - because too much bloody engagement (grind in plain English) just puts people off.
Bethesda has no clue what they are doing in online world. And before people say "but ESO" - that's Zenimax and totally different charging model.
From an "engagement perspective", it doesn't make any sense though? The battle pass there are a finite number of rewards, then you stop playing. With the old scoreboard, there was repeatable rewards, like atoms, so I kept playing. Now I will stop playing, permanently, because the amount of ranks you need to complete everything is way beyond 100 and pure B.S.
Absolutely. Issue is that management, without any understanding, conflated engagement and gameplay with 1st subscriptions. And they are definitely not the same. If they targeted 1st subscriptions, they would give extra rewards at ranks 100+ for active 1st users to prevent them from just buying month of 1st and cancelling.
Sadly using wrong metrics by business is endemic. They teach MBAs that they need to use some metrics but never explain what and how. I've seen that shit in so many places I worked. Government is even worse!
You are 100% correct. And I think you are correct too about the government. I am one of the "bad guys" in Fallout 76 (tax auditor lol) and it appears that the government has metrics for the sake of metrics, without even assessing if there is even a need and/or impact. You are right, it truly is pervasive. I hate when that B.S. seeps from the real world into gaming. What a drag.
I work in my company's internal audit section--doing 404 compliance mostly. The goal was to "boost" engagement metrics (perhaps thinking that if I have to log in everyday, I'll visit the Atom shop). The issue is the disconnect between the intended outcome and the actual outcome. I can complete all the dailies (for SCORE) in about 10 minutes. If you reeeeallly want to boost Atom sales, bring back Nuclear Winter and sell cosmetics for use in NW. Look at ANY battle royale/FPS game...skins SELL!
They're farming engagement from the players, which usually translates to a higher probability of players making expenditures due to sunken cost.
The ones that actually go, "That's it, I've had enough!" are usually not the ones making massive amounts of purchases and are well taken into account by Bethesda's financial risk assesments.
I actually do spend, on FO1st and atoms. And I would keep playing for repeatable atoms. But they took that away. And so, I won't be playing anymore, so goodbye two FO1st subscriptions + purchasing atoms. (If I go, I'm taking my husband with me!)
What I meant is that companies specifically target players they've dubbed *whales*, which will outspend you, me, and a hundred other players combined, and they've optimized techniques to ensure whale retention to offset a few of the smaller spenders that they do lose.
As a comparison, the top spender of a somewhat renowned MMO called Maplestory yielded the company $176,000 USD in 2022, and the next 9 top spenders spent between $60,000 and $73,000.
Our expenditure is peanuts compared to a single whale, and that's precisely what Bethesda is trying to capture.
I disagree. There aren't enough items at any given time in the Atom shop (sans consumables) to warrant targeted retention of "whales". The Atom Shop is a volume model--which is why the FOMO approach and the entire game is geared solely to new players (not veterans). If "whales" were the target, they'd have every item available for sale all the time for the "whales" to buy everything all at once.
I don't get your point. FOMO works on people, yes, but even more so on whales. Most of us will just pick and choose whatever we want despite it, but whales will dive head first into the newest featured page.
My point is if the Atom shop's model was geared towards "whales", BGS would not have "limited" time items--they would have all inventory all the time. So when a person with 1 billion Atoms goes to the shop, they can purchase everything.
Old scoreboard made it better to see what is claimed, had more rewards, looked aesthetically better, didn’t lock atoms behind fo1st, and had repeatable atoms to keep me logging in after 100. On this season I’m just logging in for weeklies just so I can finish off the stuff I didn’t claim.
I do like how 1st rewards can be unlocked (but I wont get it bc there is only a fixed amount of atoms)
Yes !! I loved the repeatable atom points! They took that away too... what's next? And agreed, looked nicer and was easy to follow. And the board itself makes for a neat C.A.M.P. item too !
I'm 116 and I just gave up. Sometimes I log in (mostly Tue for weeklies), most of the time I just play something else. Whole scoreboard is just bad with 1st screaming at you from all corners. And sure as hell I'm not going to get it for mostly really shitty rewards. Oh, and half of PA skins are 1st and half not. That's just awful - at least in the past full sets were available without 1st and some extras for 1st members.
At Rank 136 I got all except consumables, atoms, stamps, gold, whatever.
To be precise: this is how it looked after I got all I wanted:
[https://imgur.com/a/t0YKjB5](https://imgur.com/a/t0YKjB5)
[https://youtu.be/ri3L-V8r3Kw?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/ri3L-V8r3Kw?feature=shared)
A really good breakdown. An accountant will appreciate this.
"But, but, but my illusion of freedom of choice!!!!!!!!!!"
In all seriousness, it sucks. The only cool thing is that you get to choose your repeatable reward instead of it being on rotation. As for next season, datamines indicate that it will be exactly the same since there is no evidence of an end of season scoreboard you can put in your camp as far as I'm aware.
"illusion" is the word - considering that without 1st you have to claim ALL items to unlock 150 rewards. And with 1st you can skip some consumables - but at the cost of more tickets - so even more grind than non-1st players. Yay - nothing like penalising your paying customers!
It’s really funny that people complained about “having” to claim all rewards in previous seasons when that simply wasn’t the case to progress. Now it is exactly what they were fearing in at least one part of the season and for whatever reason it’s okay?!
Plus by rank 100 you had them all, claimed or not. Now you get them all around 130 (non-1st) or 150 (1st). And for all ranks 100+ we were getting all those sweet goodies like fireworks :D
Lol yeah, I feel like Bethesda knew people would hate it so they had to come up with some rhetoric/talking points to sell this: "You get what you want faster". Better than "some rewards will cost a lot more than one rank" I suppose lol
It sucks that the scoreboard was a very unique season pass system. The current one is so generic, it's like an exec said "make it like fortnite" and they went with it.
It's not as nightmarish as I expected it to be, but I hate it. The mental gymnastics and math I needed to do while claiming rewards I hated it. I really wish they would have blended the idea of pages and the scoreboard somehow.
It's a huge step back from previous seasons.
* More grind and time sink (you need to realistically reach level 150 to claim the same rewards from reaching 100 previously)
* More items locked behind 1st subscription
* More generic look
* Needlessly complicated to work out reward claiming priority.
The last season I really pushed was last year, I think I knocked it out in about 6 weeks without grinding repeatable xp then was kinda bored for the next six weeks.
So I get why they did this. But at the same time I feel scoreboard is just being dragged out because there's no real end game content and they know that without these changes a lot of us will just sub for a month, knock out the scoreboard then cancel because there's nothing else left to do.
And solution was dead simple - each rank over 100 should unlock one random rank from previous scoreboards that player hasn't unlocked yet. Guess what - reason for EVERYBODY to get a stab at getting some old cool shit. And with random - addictive like gambling. Even better - they could tie 1st rewards while unlocking those ranks to active 1st membership - so no people getting one month and then cancelling. So simple and elegant - and players would love it!
True. But even if people sub out for a month, they would at least come back. I don't think I'll be coming back, I think I'm done with Fallout now. And it's my favourite game too.
6 weeks is an absolutely reasonable amount of time to finish a season. It doesn't need to take 3 months when the season is only 3 months. That's ridiculous.
Many other games run season passes that can be completed in reasonable amounts of time and still offer other content during that downtime. That's exactly what the events should be for, and that's exactly how Bethesda used them in the past. Even now, people are winding down from the Double XP and Score weeks as many have reached 100 on the Scoreboard, so now there's Alien event. The problem now is that most people aren't done yet because they have to go over 100.
6 weeks of content is a great number for a live service game. Downtime is not an excuse to force higher requirements for the same amount of items.
Im a new player and im a FOMO person and i having a bad time doing all the daylies and weeklys because sometimes ask me for things i cant do it or they are hard, somedays between events and day/weeklys i cant barely progress to the quest im stuck at the beginning of the story.
I dont know how was in the past but i can say this system is crap very money grabber for people with FOMO because its the first time a battle pass dindt have a countdown to calculate how much time you have.
I'm sorry to hear you are new player coming to *this*. I love this game so much, I made my husband start playing with me. But I'm about ready to call it quits on this. I can imagine how hard some of the dailies might be for new players. And this system really penalizes you if you miss any challenges. Use score boosters and if you need certain kills that are difficult, either use a free re-roll or join a team and ask for help! But yeah, for me and you who are FOMO or completionists, this sucks.
I paid a 1st for one year and then realize this kind of battle pass is something its going to burn my self and make quit this game which is very fun and one of the best comunities ever.
Imagine with hard work i reach lvl 50 and i reading the pain is in lvl 100 that sad and uncourage me to keep climbing.
I hate it.
I am on that final 100-150 grind and every time I rank up it pisses me off because I still have days before I can claim anything. Without weeklies I get 25 tickets a day. And I need damn near 700 more tickets to claim the rest of the crap. It's going to take a while. And I am an adult with an adult life. Now with spring coming in full I can not commit to gaming every day and the new season seems to want to punish me for having a job and an adult life going on outside of screens.
Like you I have also only claimed the skins and cosmetics. And now without the repeatable exp challenge I am up shits creek without a paddle. I log in. Do the dailies. Get pissed off and log out. I look at the new stuff in the Atomic Shop and go "fuck that". Because the new season system pisses me off and makes me a grumpy old irrational man.
You are my spirit sibling! We have a life outside of gaming, as much as we love gaming, and we get punished for that. I hate it. And Fallout is my favourite game, but now, it's like "my fault" if I don't spend the time grinding, even though in the past month or two, I broke my ankle/leg, my grandmother died, my cute little nephew was born and it was my birthday recently. Now I'm supposed to go in for surgery soon, like I don't have time to actually enjoy playing. Same as you, I literally go in and do dailies/weeklies, check the shop, then check out. All the fun has been sucked out of it.
In my case I used to play FO76 in the background while on boring work calls (I'm damn good at multitasking). Yeah, I know :)
But now I just cannot be arsed - it just doesn't make sense. I'd need to get all the shit to even unlock 150 as I'm not 1st. And pay for shit I don't want or need with tickets from grind. What the actual fuck? Grind to get fusion cores I will just drop on the ground??? And there's nothing except rubbish between 100 and 150 as I already got all few things I wanted when I hit 100. Everything now is literally tosh.
Stopped playing before the battle pass came to 76, returning this to me is one of the worst battle passes I've played. I've heard the past system was better. But the rewards this season also seem a tad lack luster.
I like a lot of the items (the C.A.M.P. ones especially) but it takes like eight ranks of tickets to claim the good ones instead of last season where it was one rank per reward. I hope Bethesda reconsiders this.
I don’t like it at all. Yeah the old system you “got things you didn’t want” but on this one you still HAVE to get some things you don’t want to meet the stupid “unlock 95 items” restriction, and even then this one FORCES you to go to 150+ if you want some of the really good things.
The new system is crap.
It’s not like the game forced you to claim the rewards in previous seasons. You could just not claim them and keep progressing and unlocking things. I don’t think people realized that because of the linear design but still.
I don't really mind the new system because before I was just getting a bunch of garbage I'll never use.
I do find the infinite legendary modules at the end nice too but at the end of the day it is genuinely just worse.
I'm someone who despite playing since beta only ever interacts with seasons if I really want something in said season, but if you're a completionist I'd imagine this sucks.
For me though it barely makes a difference
It still makes quite a difference when you consider the pages are still locked behind levels.
As an example, let's say you want an item at level 75 on the current Scoreboard and another item at level 75 on the previous Scoreboard. You're right in the sense that it takes around the same amount of work if you just save your tickets until level 75 to get said item on the current board. However, in the previous Scoreboard, you got every item at every level until 75. You didn't have to pick and choose.
You could argue that most of those items are "trash", but there's no world where Caps, Stamps, Bullion, Lunchboxes, Nuka Twists, and Scrip aren't useful. All of those items are valuable for something somewhere and in the current system, you get less of those on your way to level 75 to get the CAMP item you do want.
You could also argue that a lot of those items are "bloat" you don't care about, like Power Armor skins, Player Icons, or Weapon skins. You may never use these items, but you may one day, and they certainly don't hurt you for owning them. More than that, you can skip the items I mentioned above and all the "trash" in the form of consumables and currencies and you still wouldn't be able to afford everything else at level 100.
It's a worse system for every kind of player. Not just the completionists.
Yeah that's essentially what I meant with my post, I'm totally aware it's objectively worse minus the infinite modules at 150.
Wasn't trying to argue for the new system was just saying for me personally it really doesn't change much
I feel bad for the people who could barely finish the scoreboard though. I could commit the time for the scoreboard... but this? Unless Bethesda adjusts the amount of tickets you get per rank or lowers the tickets required per reward, I don't think this is sustainable. Very disappointed that something that took 1 rank to achieve at the end of the scoreboard (like power armour at rank 100) could now take 8 ranks if it's 200 tickets.... Edited to add: skipped claiming caps, gold bullion, scrip, crates, perk cards, mystery items, kits, drinks, nuke keycards, legendary modules, lunchboxes, banners.. and STILL not close. This blows.
I guess players will need to maybe plan ahead a little more? I think having the player thinking more in general is a good thing.
Don’t feel bad for players who can’t complete it. With the right INT set up it can be done in like 8 hours.
No, it can't.
Skipping all of the Power Armor skins, weapons skins, player icons, consumables, and currencies will not allow you to finish the pass at 100. You will need to go over. This means the XP repeatable is not possible, so INT doesn't do anything for you.
More than anything, you get fewer items overall by level 100. Bethesda didn't add significantly more items to fill the void. Now you have to pick and choose less.
This system is worse no matter how you spin it. You are wrong and that's exactly why you're receiving downvotes.
Haha well first rule of Reddit my friend is downvotes doesn’t always mean you are wrong.
But yeah, I’m not a big fan of the new seasons either but as usual Reddit and other players are making it sound a lot worse than it actually is
You won't. Even if you skip the Power Armors, you will not be able to afford everything else by 100. You will have to go over quite a bit. Even if you skip all the weapon skins, player icons, consumables, and currencies, you still won't have enough by 100.
I know everyone else hates it but as someone who comes and goes from the game, I love how straightforward and accessible it is. The previous one was needlessly complex and made it very unnecessarily difficult to view what rewards you were unlocking. Edit: my bad for having an opinion guys. Will make sure not to voice it in this community from now on.
Takes so much more to claim all the cosmetics! I'm well past that and still don't have it all yet.
Exactly, so discouraging.
We're ahead of the pack so we're certain to get all of the rewards, but many of my friends who struggle to get 100 normally are definitely going to be missing out on rewards this time.
That's what sucks the most. A lot of people just can't dedicate that much time to the game, as much as they like it and would like to, and they are getting penalized. Not fun.
Is it possible to complete it at this point without crazy daily grinding if I got it today?
You only have till next month, you might get close to 100, but unfortunately you don't actually complete it till 150 since the change they made... Exp grinding is the fastest way to reach 100, else you only get score for completing daily & weekly challenges.
Ohhhso main story and side story is not helpful towards the pass? Just spamming events and dailies?
Open up the map, press right, this shows your challenges, tag everything in daily and weekly, these challenges grant you score. Some days it's kill a certain amount of enemies, or eat/drink something, other times it's break down a certain type of junk, or do a specific event or do a daily operation or expedition. The weeklies grant more score but are often longer, kill a larger amount of enemies, take several workshops etc.
Ok great thank you!
It sucks. I didn’t care much about the consumables before but they were nice to have. Now I’m avoiding pretty much all of them except the free ones and the atoms so I don’t have to work so hard to get all the cosmetic stuff. I know they seem to think being able to choose what you want is a selling point but why wouldn’t I want everything? It’s especially funny because I’m pretty sure what most people would have wanted was more atoms, but I guess we’re not going to do that.
Couldn't have said it better myself! I was already playing this game way too much, now I have to spend even more time getting everything I want... it's really turned me off of Fallout...
Yeah. They kinda showed their hand by saying it was so you could pick what you wanted. But then making it so that you still have to unlock pages by level to get the stuff.
I’m not a fan of how so many of the cool items are locked behind the Fallout 1st paywall. With the scoreboard, yes some cool items were locked behind it. But the scoreboard just felt more fair to me.
Precisely!!! I saved all my tickets for the first bonus page, now I have to keep grinding to get everything else.
It wasn’t to help players🤨🧐
Like I don't get it... was it to just to make us spend more time playing the game? And if that is the case, did they consider that some of us might be like, "that's it, I've had enough"? Such a turn off, and I am a big Fallout fan.
It was about making more people buy stuff in the atomic shop or spend more money
Even after rank 100, after getting all the rewards, I would still keeping playing to get the repeatable atoms. But if I missed a day or two of dailies, wasn't a big deal. Now they took repeatable atoms away and I find you can't miss like any dailies or weeklies whatsoever if you want everything. As for cash grab, I find the older system is much better to incentivize people to keep playing for repeatable atoms than than this, once people have grinded to get everything, they will stop. I think I might stop for good this time.
Business wants "engagement" metrics, they tweak shit to increase time people play. Problem is that they targeted wrong metric - because too much bloody engagement (grind in plain English) just puts people off. Bethesda has no clue what they are doing in online world. And before people say "but ESO" - that's Zenimax and totally different charging model.
From an "engagement perspective", it doesn't make any sense though? The battle pass there are a finite number of rewards, then you stop playing. With the old scoreboard, there was repeatable rewards, like atoms, so I kept playing. Now I will stop playing, permanently, because the amount of ranks you need to complete everything is way beyond 100 and pure B.S.
Absolutely. Issue is that management, without any understanding, conflated engagement and gameplay with 1st subscriptions. And they are definitely not the same. If they targeted 1st subscriptions, they would give extra rewards at ranks 100+ for active 1st users to prevent them from just buying month of 1st and cancelling. Sadly using wrong metrics by business is endemic. They teach MBAs that they need to use some metrics but never explain what and how. I've seen that shit in so many places I worked. Government is even worse!
You are 100% correct. And I think you are correct too about the government. I am one of the "bad guys" in Fallout 76 (tax auditor lol) and it appears that the government has metrics for the sake of metrics, without even assessing if there is even a need and/or impact. You are right, it truly is pervasive. I hate when that B.S. seeps from the real world into gaming. What a drag.
I work in my company's internal audit section--doing 404 compliance mostly. The goal was to "boost" engagement metrics (perhaps thinking that if I have to log in everyday, I'll visit the Atom shop). The issue is the disconnect between the intended outcome and the actual outcome. I can complete all the dailies (for SCORE) in about 10 minutes. If you reeeeallly want to boost Atom sales, bring back Nuclear Winter and sell cosmetics for use in NW. Look at ANY battle royale/FPS game...skins SELL!
Exactly !!! Bringing back items, especially NW, would get me to buy atoms for sure. (I'm still waiting for the antler chandelier).
They're farming engagement from the players, which usually translates to a higher probability of players making expenditures due to sunken cost. The ones that actually go, "That's it, I've had enough!" are usually not the ones making massive amounts of purchases and are well taken into account by Bethesda's financial risk assesments.
I actually do spend, on FO1st and atoms. And I would keep playing for repeatable atoms. But they took that away. And so, I won't be playing anymore, so goodbye two FO1st subscriptions + purchasing atoms. (If I go, I'm taking my husband with me!)
What I meant is that companies specifically target players they've dubbed *whales*, which will outspend you, me, and a hundred other players combined, and they've optimized techniques to ensure whale retention to offset a few of the smaller spenders that they do lose. As a comparison, the top spender of a somewhat renowned MMO called Maplestory yielded the company $176,000 USD in 2022, and the next 9 top spenders spent between $60,000 and $73,000. Our expenditure is peanuts compared to a single whale, and that's precisely what Bethesda is trying to capture.
I disagree. There aren't enough items at any given time in the Atom shop (sans consumables) to warrant targeted retention of "whales". The Atom Shop is a volume model--which is why the FOMO approach and the entire game is geared solely to new players (not veterans). If "whales" were the target, they'd have every item available for sale all the time for the "whales" to buy everything all at once.
I don't get your point. FOMO works on people, yes, but even more so on whales. Most of us will just pick and choose whatever we want despite it, but whales will dive head first into the newest featured page.
My point is if the Atom shop's model was geared towards "whales", BGS would not have "limited" time items--they would have all inventory all the time. So when a person with 1 billion Atoms goes to the shop, they can purchase everything.
Old scoreboard made it better to see what is claimed, had more rewards, looked aesthetically better, didn’t lock atoms behind fo1st, and had repeatable atoms to keep me logging in after 100. On this season I’m just logging in for weeklies just so I can finish off the stuff I didn’t claim. I do like how 1st rewards can be unlocked (but I wont get it bc there is only a fixed amount of atoms)
Yes !! I loved the repeatable atom points! They took that away too... what's next? And agreed, looked nicer and was easy to follow. And the board itself makes for a neat C.A.M.P. item too !
Rank 130 and about 300 tickets shy of collecting everything except consumables.
I'm 116 and I just gave up. Sometimes I log in (mostly Tue for weeklies), most of the time I just play something else. Whole scoreboard is just bad with 1st screaming at you from all corners. And sure as hell I'm not going to get it for mostly really shitty rewards. Oh, and half of PA skins are 1st and half not. That's just awful - at least in the past full sets were available without 1st and some extras for 1st members.
Oh good point, I have 1st so I didn't even notice that. What a cash grab to try to get people to buy 1st because of FOMO. that's really low.
Good to know. I was wondering how long it would take. I'll probably see it through this time around, not sure I will continue after this...
Yeah id probably have everything now but I feel the need to collect every pa skin not just the ones I use
Right?!
At Rank 136 I got all except consumables, atoms, stamps, gold, whatever. To be precise: this is how it looked after I got all I wanted: [https://imgur.com/a/t0YKjB5](https://imgur.com/a/t0YKjB5)
[https://youtu.be/ri3L-V8r3Kw?feature=shared](https://youtu.be/ri3L-V8r3Kw?feature=shared) A really good breakdown. An accountant will appreciate this.
Ah thanks for this! Exactly the analysis I'm interested in :)
Thank you for sharing!!! Exactly what I wanted to know, so I need to aim for 136! Maybe I won't throw in the towel after all...
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I'm glad you said that, cause I love/live Fallout but I'm ready to just call it a day for 76
"But, but, but my illusion of freedom of choice!!!!!!!!!!" In all seriousness, it sucks. The only cool thing is that you get to choose your repeatable reward instead of it being on rotation. As for next season, datamines indicate that it will be exactly the same since there is no evidence of an end of season scoreboard you can put in your camp as far as I'm aware.
"illusion" is the word - considering that without 1st you have to claim ALL items to unlock 150 rewards. And with 1st you can skip some consumables - but at the cost of more tickets - so even more grind than non-1st players. Yay - nothing like penalising your paying customers!
It’s really funny that people complained about “having” to claim all rewards in previous seasons when that simply wasn’t the case to progress. Now it is exactly what they were fearing in at least one part of the season and for whatever reason it’s okay?!
Plus by rank 100 you had them all, claimed or not. Now you get them all around 130 (non-1st) or 150 (1st). And for all ranks 100+ we were getting all those sweet goodies like fireworks :D
This.
Hah, good point ! Penalizing paying players is definitely on brand for Bethesda.
Lol yeah, I feel like Bethesda knew people would hate it so they had to come up with some rhetoric/talking points to sell this: "You get what you want faster". Better than "some rewards will cost a lot more than one rank" I suppose lol
And people ate it up hook, line, and sinker. Stinker more like.
It sucks that the scoreboard was a very unique season pass system. The current one is so generic, it's like an exec said "make it like fortnite" and they went with it.
I find the old scoreboard was the perfect length of time, not too short, not so long that you get tired of it.
What was unique about the scoreboard?
Unique radio story, theme, artwork, collectable framed picture.
Agreed!
It's not as nightmarish as I expected it to be, but I hate it. The mental gymnastics and math I needed to do while claiming rewards I hated it. I really wish they would have blended the idea of pages and the scoreboard somehow.
Right !! Like my job requires math, I don't want to do that when I'm gaming !
It's a huge step back from previous seasons. * More grind and time sink (you need to realistically reach level 150 to claim the same rewards from reaching 100 previously) * More items locked behind 1st subscription * More generic look * Needlessly complicated to work out reward claiming priority.
8 ranks for some rewards instead of 1 reward every rank automatically. That really annoys me.
The last season I really pushed was last year, I think I knocked it out in about 6 weeks without grinding repeatable xp then was kinda bored for the next six weeks. So I get why they did this. But at the same time I feel scoreboard is just being dragged out because there's no real end game content and they know that without these changes a lot of us will just sub for a month, knock out the scoreboard then cancel because there's nothing else left to do.
And solution was dead simple - each rank over 100 should unlock one random rank from previous scoreboards that player hasn't unlocked yet. Guess what - reason for EVERYBODY to get a stab at getting some old cool shit. And with random - addictive like gambling. Even better - they could tie 1st rewards while unlocking those ranks to active 1st membership - so no people getting one month and then cancelling. So simple and elegant - and players would love it!
True. But even if people sub out for a month, they would at least come back. I don't think I'll be coming back, I think I'm done with Fallout now. And it's my favourite game too.
6 weeks is an absolutely reasonable amount of time to finish a season. It doesn't need to take 3 months when the season is only 3 months. That's ridiculous. Many other games run season passes that can be completed in reasonable amounts of time and still offer other content during that downtime. That's exactly what the events should be for, and that's exactly how Bethesda used them in the past. Even now, people are winding down from the Double XP and Score weeks as many have reached 100 on the Scoreboard, so now there's Alien event. The problem now is that most people aren't done yet because they have to go over 100. 6 weeks of content is a great number for a live service game. Downtime is not an excuse to force higher requirements for the same amount of items.
Im a new player and im a FOMO person and i having a bad time doing all the daylies and weeklys because sometimes ask me for things i cant do it or they are hard, somedays between events and day/weeklys i cant barely progress to the quest im stuck at the beginning of the story. I dont know how was in the past but i can say this system is crap very money grabber for people with FOMO because its the first time a battle pass dindt have a countdown to calculate how much time you have.
I'm sorry to hear you are new player coming to *this*. I love this game so much, I made my husband start playing with me. But I'm about ready to call it quits on this. I can imagine how hard some of the dailies might be for new players. And this system really penalizes you if you miss any challenges. Use score boosters and if you need certain kills that are difficult, either use a free re-roll or join a team and ask for help! But yeah, for me and you who are FOMO or completionists, this sucks.
I paid a 1st for one year and then realize this kind of battle pass is something its going to burn my self and make quit this game which is very fun and one of the best comunities ever. Imagine with hard work i reach lvl 50 and i reading the pain is in lvl 100 that sad and uncourage me to keep climbing.
I'm right there with you, 100%
I miss the cool board art :(
Me too !
And might sound odd but the sound each icon made when you went to click on them.
Yes !
I hate it. I am on that final 100-150 grind and every time I rank up it pisses me off because I still have days before I can claim anything. Without weeklies I get 25 tickets a day. And I need damn near 700 more tickets to claim the rest of the crap. It's going to take a while. And I am an adult with an adult life. Now with spring coming in full I can not commit to gaming every day and the new season seems to want to punish me for having a job and an adult life going on outside of screens. Like you I have also only claimed the skins and cosmetics. And now without the repeatable exp challenge I am up shits creek without a paddle. I log in. Do the dailies. Get pissed off and log out. I look at the new stuff in the Atomic Shop and go "fuck that". Because the new season system pisses me off and makes me a grumpy old irrational man.
You are my spirit sibling! We have a life outside of gaming, as much as we love gaming, and we get punished for that. I hate it. And Fallout is my favourite game, but now, it's like "my fault" if I don't spend the time grinding, even though in the past month or two, I broke my ankle/leg, my grandmother died, my cute little nephew was born and it was my birthday recently. Now I'm supposed to go in for surgery soon, like I don't have time to actually enjoy playing. Same as you, I literally go in and do dailies/weeklies, check the shop, then check out. All the fun has been sucked out of it.
In my case I used to play FO76 in the background while on boring work calls (I'm damn good at multitasking). Yeah, I know :) But now I just cannot be arsed - it just doesn't make sense. I'd need to get all the shit to even unlock 150 as I'm not 1st. And pay for shit I don't want or need with tickets from grind. What the actual fuck? Grind to get fusion cores I will just drop on the ground??? And there's nothing except rubbish between 100 and 150 as I already got all few things I wanted when I hit 100. Everything now is literally tosh.
I hate how a lot of the good things are locked past rank 100. Most players won’t even reach the 100 ranks to even unlock them.
And the best part? 1st players have to grind more than non-1st, so it penalises them, LOL
Exactly. I saved all my tickets until I got to 100. Now I'm grinding to get everything else, and surprisingly, there is A LOT left. So discouraging.
Stopped playing before the battle pass came to 76, returning this to me is one of the worst battle passes I've played. I've heard the past system was better. But the rewards this season also seem a tad lack luster.
I like a lot of the items (the C.A.M.P. ones especially) but it takes like eight ranks of tickets to claim the good ones instead of last season where it was one rank per reward. I hope Bethesda reconsiders this.
I don’t pay any attention to it at all. Feels soulless, and low effort to me.
Literally worse in everyway compared to the old setup.
It's that old adage: If thousands of fallout 76 fans say this system sucks, and Bethesda doesn't care, do we actually make a sound?
I don’t like it at all. Yeah the old system you “got things you didn’t want” but on this one you still HAVE to get some things you don’t want to meet the stupid “unlock 95 items” restriction, and even then this one FORCES you to go to 150+ if you want some of the really good things. The new system is crap.
It’s not like the game forced you to claim the rewards in previous seasons. You could just not claim them and keep progressing and unlocking things. I don’t think people realized that because of the linear design but still.
I'll take "getting things I don't want" every S.C.O.R.E. rank any day over having to do 8 S.C.O.R.E. ranks to get one really good reward. This sucks.
I don't really mind the new system because before I was just getting a bunch of garbage I'll never use. I do find the infinite legendary modules at the end nice too but at the end of the day it is genuinely just worse. I'm someone who despite playing since beta only ever interacts with seasons if I really want something in said season, but if you're a completionist I'd imagine this sucks. For me though it barely makes a difference
It still makes quite a difference when you consider the pages are still locked behind levels. As an example, let's say you want an item at level 75 on the current Scoreboard and another item at level 75 on the previous Scoreboard. You're right in the sense that it takes around the same amount of work if you just save your tickets until level 75 to get said item on the current board. However, in the previous Scoreboard, you got every item at every level until 75. You didn't have to pick and choose. You could argue that most of those items are "trash", but there's no world where Caps, Stamps, Bullion, Lunchboxes, Nuka Twists, and Scrip aren't useful. All of those items are valuable for something somewhere and in the current system, you get less of those on your way to level 75 to get the CAMP item you do want. You could also argue that a lot of those items are "bloat" you don't care about, like Power Armor skins, Player Icons, or Weapon skins. You may never use these items, but you may one day, and they certainly don't hurt you for owning them. More than that, you can skip the items I mentioned above and all the "trash" in the form of consumables and currencies and you still wouldn't be able to afford everything else at level 100. It's a worse system for every kind of player. Not just the completionists.
Well said.
Yeah that's essentially what I meant with my post, I'm totally aware it's objectively worse minus the infinite modules at 150. Wasn't trying to argue for the new system was just saying for me personally it really doesn't change much
If you skipped the utilities you are probably very close to unlocking everything
I feel bad for the people who could barely finish the scoreboard though. I could commit the time for the scoreboard... but this? Unless Bethesda adjusts the amount of tickets you get per rank or lowers the tickets required per reward, I don't think this is sustainable. Very disappointed that something that took 1 rank to achieve at the end of the scoreboard (like power armour at rank 100) could now take 8 ranks if it's 200 tickets.... Edited to add: skipped claiming caps, gold bullion, scrip, crates, perk cards, mystery items, kits, drinks, nuke keycards, legendary modules, lunchboxes, banners.. and STILL not close. This blows.
I guess players will need to maybe plan ahead a little more? I think having the player thinking more in general is a good thing. Don’t feel bad for players who can’t complete it. With the right INT set up it can be done in like 8 hours.
No, it can't. Skipping all of the Power Armor skins, weapons skins, player icons, consumables, and currencies will not allow you to finish the pass at 100. You will need to go over. This means the XP repeatable is not possible, so INT doesn't do anything for you. More than anything, you get fewer items overall by level 100. Bethesda didn't add significantly more items to fill the void. Now you have to pick and choose less. This system is worse no matter how you spin it. You are wrong and that's exactly why you're receiving downvotes.
Haha well first rule of Reddit my friend is downvotes doesn’t always mean you are wrong. But yeah, I’m not a big fan of the new seasons either but as usual Reddit and other players are making it sound a lot worse than it actually is
I don’t like the new system but i do like that as a non pa using player i can skip the pa skins and have plenty of stamps for the item i want.
You won't. Even if you skip the Power Armors, you will not be able to afford everything else by 100. You will have to go over quite a bit. Even if you skip all the weapon skins, player icons, consumables, and currencies, you still won't have enough by 100.
Even as a power armor user, I’m not wearing all of them. If it’s not t-65, union, or excavator I’m out.
I know everyone else hates it but as someone who comes and goes from the game, I love how straightforward and accessible it is. The previous one was needlessly complex and made it very unnecessarily difficult to view what rewards you were unlocking. Edit: my bad for having an opinion guys. Will make sure not to voice it in this community from now on.
Accessibility is great, but not at the expense of players getting significantly less rewards for more effort spent in-game.