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SamMarlow

I guess I am a legacy hater so I will answer, Scout Banners aren't necessary but if people buy them they help everybody around. Legacy Weapons users in group/public content ruin the experience for everybody around, so one is good and the other still bad?


Karmic_Imperialist

Here we go again Please define, in detail, the "Win" condition for this game. We'll all wait


[deleted]

Also the scout banner is clearly meant to be used around groups, so I guess it’s “Pay so others also win”? 🤷‍♀️


Karmic_Imperialist

Excellent point


[deleted]

Clearly “win” is defined by having or not having a legacy weapon as defined by the constant crybaby legacy users.


itscmillertime

Here we go again. Since there is no “winning” does that mean anything could be monetized in the atomic shop? Is there no line for you beyond which it is inappropriate?


Karmic_Imperialist

The OP stated that Banners are Pay 2 Win. Since there is nothing that could be considered a winning condition in this game they cannot be "Pay 2 Win". My post addresses nothing else outside of this fact. Didn't get your caffeine this morning or something?


itscmillertime

Pay 2 win doesn’t mean there is literal “winning”.


fenriq

Lol good luck with that “argument”.


itscmillertime

It’s not an argument… it’s what p2w means. P2w doesn’t only apply in competitive games. If it did, that would mean it would be fine to sell weapons and armor directly in the shop. Most people (I hope) would say that is p2w


fenriq

How does one win Fallout 76?


itscmillertime

You don’t. Pay2win doesn’t actually require the ability to win. It’s paying to have an advantage in game beyond what you would get by playing the game itself. Paying for a shortcut, paying to be more powerful, etc. That’s the entire point. You people act like if there is no winner, there cannot be p2w. The problem with that thinking is that it opens the door to selling actual weapons and armor in game for real money. Of course that would be wrong.


Karmic_Imperialist

Yes, yes it does. There is a clear difference between pay to win and pay for convenience. But to save us both time, let's agree to disagree and move on as I don't see the point in this kind of sophistry/arguing of semantics.


itscmillertime

If you could buy weapons directly in the shop, there may not be “winning” per se, but that would still be p2w. It’s not “pay for convenience” which is some made up term. The point OP is making is that selling items that make you deal more damage is inappropriate for the atomic shop. Why do you and others insist on arguing semantics vs addressing the actual issue, whether or not these items belong in the shop or not? Edit: to be clear, OP is making a terrible point by equating to legacies and you are all falling in that trap by defending the atomic shop, as if the two are related at all and as if you cannot be against both.


Karmic_Imperialist

Pay for Convenience is a made up term but Pay 2 Win is legit, huh? Astounding. I guess that's why P2W has an entry as slang in Urban Dictionary. Whether or not these belong in the shop is a matter of personal opinion for everyone (that's not Bethesda). Personally, I don't care. The items are geared towards group and not individual use and the effects are "nice" at best, negligible is more like it. I won't be spending money on them. Summary: I have no problem with lackluster group boosts being sold in the Atom Shop. Don't like them, don't buy them.


itscmillertime

Yes p2w is a widely used term in gaming. >Don’t like them, don’t buy them Completely misses the issue people have with them.


[deleted]

Lol, typical legacy basher


Karmic_Imperialist

I own legacies chief, several of them. When I used them I did it with restraint and responsibility, respecting other peoples experience at events. Or in a private server. If you and the rest of the "legacy bros" hadn't been complete and utter chodes abusing them at every event you wouldn't be having your easy button taken away.


[deleted]

I am a former legacy owner, got my E pepper shaker in the ally weapon crate quest, and I bash you clowns every single second I can. Because without them you can’t function in the game. That’s why you folks cry so loudly.


Huge_Computer_3946

If you need a scout banner to get ahead in this game, I feel sorry for you. A completely unnecessary addition to the game that provides no value if they don't provide harder content.


[deleted]

But suddenly the scout banner, according to legacy users who clearly exploit an in game item to ‘win’, has instantly turned fallout 76 into diablo immortal. “Thier” thought process never ceases to confound and terrify me.


SensitiveAd5962

They're fine. Legacy users are still a bunch of bastards.


[deleted]

Lol, typical.


SensitiveAd5962

He asked


[deleted]

Do scout banners give you unlimited range death rays or did I miss something?


casey_quan

This is a sandbox game there is nothing to win. This isn't an mmo, an fps , a survivi, or an rpg game.. And nobody who has ever played pvp considers what we have pvp. The quest layer is entirely optional and can be ignored without effect. Orbit can be finished in 6 hours with little effort. Either way there is no end game and there is no wining. You make the content or find a reason to play or you get bored and leave like all other sandbox games.


[deleted]

“…at *their* best…, Yep user name checks out.


Jordgubby

I honestly do not get how legacy weapon owners (EGP specifically) have any fun playing the game with them, I stand and watch some just flying up and down farting out a cone of shite lagging the server out 🤔 Absolutely baffling to me personally. But honestly no, the scout banners are pretty harmless in my book, just a glorified lunchbox that I do not even notice I have active, nor do I bother activating them…


Belvary40

Whatever you're on please get some help. Seriously the two don't even compare.


Xion_Stellar

Honestly I don't care people are free to buy and use whatever they want at the very least this will make fighting Earl alone a lot easier but that's about it the game is already easy enough even without the banners existing.


JesusKong333

Don't really care about the banners. But legacies have been fucking up every new event for the past two years.


Styles187

Justification through distraction. Dmg boost or AP refresh are the only *marginally* useful effects from banners, and they're not even a guaranteed result! (I've been playing for 6 weeks and even I know that.) Community: "He's got a legacy! It's ruining the gaming experience!" Legacy User: "Well, I.. uhhhm... Oh *LOOOK!* What's that??? It's a banner!! We have to stop that right now!!!!"


MasonMSU

These are two unrelated subjects.


[deleted]

What are we winning? Not a spelling bee, surely. \*Their


GPthedegenerate

You are an embarrassment to the legacy community.


[deleted]

The legacy community is an embarrassment to the entire 76 community. Fixed it for you.


GPthedegenerate

Not our fault most of you are either too new to have them or too antisocial to trade.


[deleted]

Hahaha been here since the beta clownshow and sold my legacies ages ago. I don’t need a trash mistake weapon to feel important or enjoy the game. Not our fault you’re so insecure or inept. Git gud scrub


GPthedegenerate

Wow, the ol' gut gud safety blanket, huh? I take it you're someone who owns a trap camp and uses the laugh emote on the regular? Also you've just admitted to using legacies so you're really no better.


RTG_Hammerhead

I'd rather see 100x more trap camps than 1 more legacy


GPthedegenerate

Also fairly sad that your go-to is the word trash. I think you need to step away from Reddit for a bit, kiddo. It's rubbing off on you. Be better, scrub.


IceFireDH

How does the two even relate? I mean, talking about going out on a cracked limb 10 stories up without any lifesaving armor... On one hand we have legacy weapons (explosive energy) that can wipe out large swaths of spawns from halfway across the map and which give most other players on the server no benefit whatsoever, which are 99% dupes, and which cannot legitimately drop in the game. On the other hand, we have an aid item that can be gotten for free off of the SCOREBOARD and which give minor bonuses to everyone in range when they are used and provide no unique bonus that will help a player "win". Yes, they can be bought for Atoms, but since they confer no real advantage in any way, it's kinda mote. I mean, I know that many legendary users are delusional that they have somehow won with the patch being delayed (it's a matter of when, not if), but this is a whole other level.


Drake_Acheron

What is this armor for? It weighs more and is more likely to break the branch. Though why that would matter is anyone’s guess. Perhaps you needed the branch as a platform to get higher?


Longjumping-Rough-73

I think I'm going to start keeping a piece of life saving armor nowz just for those times I feel like walking off the top of my 4 story camp on the edge of a cliff.


NotChxpo

they’re uselessly dumb as all hell. just more micro but whatever floats someones boat.


Apocalypse_71

I don’t hate legacies, just some of the players that use them. Not all legacy owners are douche nozzles. As for the Banners, I haven’t given them a go yet so not in a position to offer an opinion.


IAmTheSecondGod_r

Rather play the game and stop crying in the posts like a f****** idiot, Im tired of these lEgAcY children wars


BLeeMac66

End of the day, it’s Beth’s game, like it or not. They own it, and can paint it any color they like. We, are renters, and if we don’t like it, we have the option of moving on. That said, I still want Nuka Dark paint for Hellcat. Yada yada yada


Dangerous_Occasion19

Who. Cares.


RTG_Hammerhead

The real p2w is people buying legacies for real money.


matticusphoenix

This 100%.


brian11e3

How about we stop crying wolf?


matticusphoenix

I have nothing to add except it is so cool to see people finally shouting down the false religion


Longjumping-Rough-73

The mothman cultists?


itscmillertime

I’m not sure I see the relation? But the banners are inappropriate for the atomic shop imo.


TheBerethian

🙄🤦🏼‍♂️