Hats off to Manchester United. I don’t think many neutrals - nor some of the Red Devils’ fan base - probably gave them much chance before kick off. But they arguably had the measure of Liverpool in that first half, and going in 2-1 down didn’t feel like a fair reflection of how the match was progressing. Over the 120 minutes, they deserved their win.
Statistically, under EtH, United are the best knockout competition performers in Europe, after winning their 20th Cup game in 18 months. For reference, that's 17 more than Arsenal during the same period.
I think the difference between 20 knockout wins and 3 in 18 months is enough to refute that lmao.
Brighton, Man City, Sporting and West Ham and Liverpool knocked you out of your last 5 tournaments.
United beat 3 of those in the cup during that time and lost the final to City, as well as beating Barcelona over 2 legs and Newcastle in the final.
United had games equally as hard, sometimes harder, more of them, and got better results out of them.
Well if you play Liverpool or harder teams earlier in the round then of course you are gonna have fewer wins than a team that plays harder teams at a later stage in the tournament.
Yeah not if you beat the teams though lmao. Arsenal got knocked out against Liverpool, United beat them. Arsenal got knocked out against West Ham, United beat them. Same story with Brighton. Arsenal lost their EL round to Sporting, United went through after beating Barcelona. How does any of this have anything to do with when United/Arsenal played those teams?
You're going on like Arsenal have the worst luck in cup draws. In the two seasons we've mentioned, the only big teams Arsenal have played are City and Liverpool, exactly the same as United, except United beat Liverpool unlike Arsenal.
I'm still just struggling to understand how Arsenal have been hard done by compared to United.
United did not face a single top 6 team in any of the domestic cups last year until the fa cup final which they lost.
Get harder teams in the early rounds = less wins.
Get harder teams in the later rounds = more wins.
It’s not complicated.
>It’s not complicated
It's the opposite of complicated, its really stupid reasoning that barely applies to what we're talking about.
In 18 months (I'm just gonna end up repeating myself but it isn't going in obviously) United and Arsenal have played in exactly the same competitions, and played 4 of the exact same teams. United beat 3 of these teams, Liverpool, WH and BHA, losing to City. Arsenal got knocked out by *all of these teams*.
You simple guy, we played the exact same top 6 teams, in the exact same amount of time, in the same competitions, and United came out with better results! How are you still arguing that Arsenal had the easier games is baffling to me lmao.
Arsenal got knocked out to Liverpool in the 3rd round, United beat them in the quarter final. You're going on like United had some mad advantage because it wasn't the 3rd round lmao.
Arteta is notoriously shit in cup competitions and EtH is statistically the best in Europe. Cry about it some more lol.
Because playing Liverpool in the quarterfinals means that you were able to play easier teams in the earlier rounds.
But playing Liverpool in the third round means you don’t get a chance to play the easier teams in the earlier round.
If you play against Newport in the earlier round then of course you are going to rake up more wins than playing Liverpool in the third round.
I don’t get how you don’t see the simple concept that playing easier teams in the earlier rounds means you get more chance to collect wins.
I did not say that united had an advantage by not playing Liverpool in the third round. You made that up. Your point was united had more wins in cup competition, which statistically might be correct. Well, it’s easier to have more wins if you play against Newport in the third round instead of Liverpool.
>Because playing Liverpool in the quarterfinals means that you were able to play easier teams in the earlier rounds.
Yes but if you'd *beaten* Liverpool (like United did) you'd have more rounds to fucking play! Jesus christ lmao. How are Arsenal at a disadvantage for having to play a team United beat?
>But playing Liverpool in the third round means you don’t get a chance to play the easier teams in the earlier round.
The part I'm struggling with is the fact you're going on like Arsenal have exclusively played top 6 teams. Completely ignoring the fact that Forest, West Ham and Brighton knocked you out of the other 3. How do you explain Arsenal's disadvantage there? Especially considering we beat West Ham, Brighton and Forest in the cup last season.
You keep banging on about how Arsenal had to play Liverpool and City earlier in the rounds. So go on and explain the other 3 cup exits against teams United beat lmao. You've been avoiding responding to this point for a while now.
>If you play against Newport in the earlier round then of course you are going to rake up more wins than playing Liverpool in the third round
Yeah you guys played Oxford and Brentford before getting knocked out by Brighton and West Ham, so there goes your point straight out the window.
>I don’t get how you don’t see the simple concept that playing easier teams in the earlier rounds means you get more chance to collect wins
I'll respond with the same point again, how come you couldn't get past Forest, West Ham and Brighton in the early rounds and United could?
>Well, it’s easier to have more wins if you play against Newport in the third round instead of Liverpool
You get more wins if you win.
I'll conclude. Arsenal have played *two* higher ranked teams across 5 tournaments same as United. Same teams in fact. Arsenal were knocked out of 3 of those 5 tournaments by lower ranked opposition. United weren't.
I think after many years when people remember ten hag era at Manchester united then this match will be remembered. United really ruined klopps farewell.
Not at all. Klopps farewell depends entirely on the PL and EL.
He wins either (especially the PL in this 3 horse race) or both even and this match will be absolutely forgotten.
>this match will be remembered.
Over the 7-0? HAHAHAHAHA fuck me united fans are truly special.
Well I'm not a united fan though but yeah this match and the 7 - 0 will be remembered 😂😂😂. I mean man united did end Liverpool's quadruples hope so 🤷♂️
But despite this I don't think united could win the fa cup against man city maybe if Chelsea beat city but I don't think that will happen.
>quadruples hope
Not a single Liverpool fan is out here looking at a quad. We aren't favourites for the league lol.
>united could win the fa cup ag
Gotta get past Coventry first pal.
Like I said before I'm not a united fan. I'm neutral watcher in the premier league and I also never said united will win. If they face man city there out. If you read what I've written then you can clearly see that no where have I written united will win the fa cup.
The ref let it go because he was incredibly harsh with the yellow for dissent. Pulled his card out the moment Bruno ran to him, as club captain, during a VAR review which was about a foul on himself, something he has every right to do. It wasn't dissent, he was just slightly irked by Bruno's dramatic ways and booked him unfairly.
I know people love to hate Bruno, but ref gave him that first yellow because of his reputation, not what he actually did, and had to try and avoid the second to balance out his own poor and rash decision.
No he couldn't. Bruno is an absolute knob head half the time, but he's now no longer allowed to speak to referees because of his reputation? It's not dissent every time someone speaks to a referee, no matter how animated their arms are.
He's the captain of a club and he's allowed to ask clarification from a referee, he's allowed to talk to them if he's unhappy, he's *not* allowed to be abusive in any way.
The ref today knew exactly why he didn't send Bruno off for a foul, because the first booking was was reactionary and unfair and the ref knew it.
>first booking was was reactionary and unfair and the ref knew it.
Doesn't make sense that at all. By this logic, we might as well stop booking players for dissent if they are still allowed to make a second cardable foul
Your decision cannot be hampered by your previous decision. It was game management on the refs part but doesn't change the fact that arguing game management is the right thing to do as a ref is a dangerous precedent.
>Doesn't make sense that at all. By this logic, we might as well stop booking players for dissent if they are still allowed to make a second cardable foul
Not what I said though is it. I said he was *wrongly* booked for dissent. Bruno hadn't even reached the referee before the card was drawn. He was running up animatedly, as he does, but he was basically pre-booked for dissent that hadn't even happened yet.
Don't act like this is something unheard of, the "first booking was harsh so I won't send you off" is a trope as old as football.
>trope as old as football.
So is the first booking was harsh but I'm still gonna follow it up and send you off lol.
Tbf he could've been booked for diving as well. Truth is the first yellow was harsh, but it's still valid for a multitude of reasons.
nah, to be honest reds were frustrating and klopp manage the game the worst, not to mention it is not a high-stake games. while utd played at their full potential.
they had the lead twice and bottle it.
why you think im dense. FA cup is not very important, especially for a team that fighting very closley on the leage, Im not liverpool fan but I think they are lucky they get rid of this task, if they win the league in this last klopp year, it is very glorious and they are fighting tooth and nail
The FA Cup is a major honour, so yes, you are dense. It's literally part of the 'treble', which is seen as a major achievement.
Winning multiple trophies across multiple seasons is what sets the best teams apart from the good ones.
Hats off to Manchester United. I don’t think many neutrals - nor some of the Red Devils’ fan base - probably gave them much chance before kick off. But they arguably had the measure of Liverpool in that first half, and going in 2-1 down didn’t feel like a fair reflection of how the match was progressing. Over the 120 minutes, they deserved their win.
Statistically, under EtH, United are the best knockout competition performers in Europe, after winning their 20th Cup game in 18 months. For reference, that's 17 more than Arsenal during the same period.
That’s an excellent stat.
Arsenal have faced tougher opponents, no?
I think the difference between 20 knockout wins and 3 in 18 months is enough to refute that lmao. Brighton, Man City, Sporting and West Ham and Liverpool knocked you out of your last 5 tournaments. United beat 3 of those in the cup during that time and lost the final to City, as well as beating Barcelona over 2 legs and Newcastle in the final. United had games equally as hard, sometimes harder, more of them, and got better results out of them.
Well if you play Liverpool or harder teams earlier in the round then of course you are gonna have fewer wins than a team that plays harder teams at a later stage in the tournament.
Yeah not if you beat the teams though lmao. Arsenal got knocked out against Liverpool, United beat them. Arsenal got knocked out against West Ham, United beat them. Same story with Brighton. Arsenal lost their EL round to Sporting, United went through after beating Barcelona. How does any of this have anything to do with when United/Arsenal played those teams? You're going on like Arsenal have the worst luck in cup draws. In the two seasons we've mentioned, the only big teams Arsenal have played are City and Liverpool, exactly the same as United, except United beat Liverpool unlike Arsenal. I'm still just struggling to understand how Arsenal have been hard done by compared to United.
United did not face a single top 6 team in any of the domestic cups last year until the fa cup final which they lost. Get harder teams in the early rounds = less wins. Get harder teams in the later rounds = more wins. It’s not complicated.
>It’s not complicated It's the opposite of complicated, its really stupid reasoning that barely applies to what we're talking about. In 18 months (I'm just gonna end up repeating myself but it isn't going in obviously) United and Arsenal have played in exactly the same competitions, and played 4 of the exact same teams. United beat 3 of these teams, Liverpool, WH and BHA, losing to City. Arsenal got knocked out by *all of these teams*. You simple guy, we played the exact same top 6 teams, in the exact same amount of time, in the same competitions, and United came out with better results! How are you still arguing that Arsenal had the easier games is baffling to me lmao. Arsenal got knocked out to Liverpool in the 3rd round, United beat them in the quarter final. You're going on like United had some mad advantage because it wasn't the 3rd round lmao. Arteta is notoriously shit in cup competitions and EtH is statistically the best in Europe. Cry about it some more lol.
Because playing Liverpool in the quarterfinals means that you were able to play easier teams in the earlier rounds. But playing Liverpool in the third round means you don’t get a chance to play the easier teams in the earlier round. If you play against Newport in the earlier round then of course you are going to rake up more wins than playing Liverpool in the third round. I don’t get how you don’t see the simple concept that playing easier teams in the earlier rounds means you get more chance to collect wins. I did not say that united had an advantage by not playing Liverpool in the third round. You made that up. Your point was united had more wins in cup competition, which statistically might be correct. Well, it’s easier to have more wins if you play against Newport in the third round instead of Liverpool.
>Because playing Liverpool in the quarterfinals means that you were able to play easier teams in the earlier rounds. Yes but if you'd *beaten* Liverpool (like United did) you'd have more rounds to fucking play! Jesus christ lmao. How are Arsenal at a disadvantage for having to play a team United beat? >But playing Liverpool in the third round means you don’t get a chance to play the easier teams in the earlier round. The part I'm struggling with is the fact you're going on like Arsenal have exclusively played top 6 teams. Completely ignoring the fact that Forest, West Ham and Brighton knocked you out of the other 3. How do you explain Arsenal's disadvantage there? Especially considering we beat West Ham, Brighton and Forest in the cup last season. You keep banging on about how Arsenal had to play Liverpool and City earlier in the rounds. So go on and explain the other 3 cup exits against teams United beat lmao. You've been avoiding responding to this point for a while now. >If you play against Newport in the earlier round then of course you are going to rake up more wins than playing Liverpool in the third round Yeah you guys played Oxford and Brentford before getting knocked out by Brighton and West Ham, so there goes your point straight out the window. >I don’t get how you don’t see the simple concept that playing easier teams in the earlier rounds means you get more chance to collect wins I'll respond with the same point again, how come you couldn't get past Forest, West Ham and Brighton in the early rounds and United could? >Well, it’s easier to have more wins if you play against Newport in the third round instead of Liverpool You get more wins if you win. I'll conclude. Arsenal have played *two* higher ranked teams across 5 tournaments same as United. Same teams in fact. Arsenal were knocked out of 3 of those 5 tournaments by lower ranked opposition. United weren't.
I think after many years when people remember ten hag era at Manchester united then this match will be remembered. United really ruined klopps farewell.
Not at all. Klopps farewell depends entirely on the PL and EL. He wins either (especially the PL in this 3 horse race) or both even and this match will be absolutely forgotten. >this match will be remembered. Over the 7-0? HAHAHAHAHA fuck me united fans are truly special.
Well I'm not a united fan though but yeah this match and the 7 - 0 will be remembered 😂😂😂. I mean man united did end Liverpool's quadruples hope so 🤷♂️ But despite this I don't think united could win the fa cup against man city maybe if Chelsea beat city but I don't think that will happen.
>quadruples hope Not a single Liverpool fan is out here looking at a quad. We aren't favourites for the league lol. >united could win the fa cup ag Gotta get past Coventry first pal.
Like I said before I'm not a united fan. I'm neutral watcher in the premier league and I also never said united will win. If they face man city there out. If you read what I've written then you can clearly see that no where have I written united will win the fa cup.
It was pretty impressive! I'm proud to be a MAN UTD fan
2 upvotes and 35 comments? I smell some salty scousers
More down to the post reading like it was written by chatgpt tbh
Jesus Christ, enjoy getting bummed in the final you tinpot minges. If you even make it that far.
That kind of comment is exactly what I'm here for. Football has the most butthurt fans out of any sport I've seen. Keep it up, mate.
Bruno should’ve been sent off but no one seems to mention that.
The ref let it go because he was incredibly harsh with the yellow for dissent. Pulled his card out the moment Bruno ran to him, as club captain, during a VAR review which was about a foul on himself, something he has every right to do. It wasn't dissent, he was just slightly irked by Bruno's dramatic ways and booked him unfairly. I know people love to hate Bruno, but ref gave him that first yellow because of his reputation, not what he actually did, and had to try and avoid the second to balance out his own poor and rash decision.
Bruno could’ve been sent off for dissent alonez
No he couldn't. Bruno is an absolute knob head half the time, but he's now no longer allowed to speak to referees because of his reputation? It's not dissent every time someone speaks to a referee, no matter how animated their arms are. He's the captain of a club and he's allowed to ask clarification from a referee, he's allowed to talk to them if he's unhappy, he's *not* allowed to be abusive in any way. The ref today knew exactly why he didn't send Bruno off for a foul, because the first booking was was reactionary and unfair and the ref knew it.
>first booking was was reactionary and unfair and the ref knew it. Doesn't make sense that at all. By this logic, we might as well stop booking players for dissent if they are still allowed to make a second cardable foul Your decision cannot be hampered by your previous decision. It was game management on the refs part but doesn't change the fact that arguing game management is the right thing to do as a ref is a dangerous precedent.
>Doesn't make sense that at all. By this logic, we might as well stop booking players for dissent if they are still allowed to make a second cardable foul Not what I said though is it. I said he was *wrongly* booked for dissent. Bruno hadn't even reached the referee before the card was drawn. He was running up animatedly, as he does, but he was basically pre-booked for dissent that hadn't even happened yet. Don't act like this is something unheard of, the "first booking was harsh so I won't send you off" is a trope as old as football.
>trope as old as football. So is the first booking was harsh but I'm still gonna follow it up and send you off lol. Tbf he could've been booked for diving as well. Truth is the first yellow was harsh, but it's still valid for a multitude of reasons.
So should have gomez
I think the funniest moment of the match was when a foul was whistled against United when Mcallister kicked Maguire in the chest
Or when gomez really wanted a hug from garnacho
Would’ve occurred if Bruno had been sent off though would it.
nah, to be honest reds were frustrating and klopp manage the game the worst, not to mention it is not a high-stake games. while utd played at their full potential. they had the lead twice and bottle it.
Not a high stake game? I don’t understand how people can be so dense. It’s Man Utd vs Liverpool in the FA Cup quarters finals
why you think im dense. FA cup is not very important, especially for a team that fighting very closley on the leage, Im not liverpool fan but I think they are lucky they get rid of this task, if they win the league in this last klopp year, it is very glorious and they are fighting tooth and nail
The FA Cup is a major honour, so yes, you are dense. It's literally part of the 'treble', which is seen as a major achievement. Winning multiple trophies across multiple seasons is what sets the best teams apart from the good ones.
Your mother is dense.
Turns out you haven't stopped drinking after all
Your mother vagina fluids. No. I didnt
At least you're consistent my friend, your jokes are as bad as your football takes :)
thnks my friend. preciated the compliment from a bottom, so I take it as reversed.
Why is it always people who have never spoken to a human woman who jump straight to sex jokes aha