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I just mean you don't have to do the 0 upfront tactic
If you get a 20M offer, accept
Offer back out for 22.5M
Accept 22.5, cancel 20, offer 25
The club that offered 20 will go 25
Keep doing that and bidding wars happen, I've had 65M for a 26-32M CB
Oh okay, I see :) To be honest I’ve actually never tried that, I’ve always just assumed that offering for £0 up front then it all in instalments would elicit the most interest from as many clubs as possible, but you absolutely might be right :)
Yh you can, it will say Joe bloggs has accepted the offer from crappola FC and you have the option in the bottom right to either accept I think stall and cancel offer, but the player does tend to get a little pissy if you cancel last minute like that.
Go to the transfer page, then you can see the bids for players in and out. Find that player in question, expose the offers, and select the red X to cancel the transfer in question, whilst leaving the rest. If it meets a release clause then that option isn't available.
These are fairly reasonable amounts, you could probably get some money up front still.
In general i've noticed that clubs will never offer more money up front than what they have on hand (obviously), so if a negotiable bid comes in, you can leave the upfront as-is and just raise the value through instalments.
You'll end up at the same place (60M for a 47M valued player) but you'll also get some pocket money to play around with. This is largely useless in your long-term-save scenario but in the first couple years at a club this can make all the difference.
I think he means that if I get an offer of £20m up front, than I can start increasing from £20m up front + monthly installments, rather than £20m+ purely in installments.
I have literally no idea who on earth those YouTube channels are, and have never seen this method anywhere before. That doesn’t mean it’s not out there, of course not, but I came up with this completely independently, and have been using it for years. Do they credit me as a source, ‘cause who knows: maybe I used it first? No, and I 100% wouldn’t expect them to. I doubt I did come up with it first, but I have literally never seen it anywhere else. I’m sorry my guide has made you so angry, but is it not possible I have literally never watched a single FM YouTube video, and have come up with a few tricks myself in the 31 years I’ve been playing this game literally since its inception?
So no: I won’t credit anyone. Other than you, for making me chuckle :) Thanks mate, all my love and all the best ☮ ♡ :)
I think it's not about creators but about smart Andies who will watch something on YouTube, half understand it and then push it as their own brilliant idea. Don't tell me that it's not annoying when people pretend that they're smarter than they are.
No, I doubt they would, but why would I want them to? Knowledge shared is knowledge gained; it’s a single player game, so surely we just want everyone to do the best they can :)
I am going to permanently borrow your idea (sounds better than stealing it lol) and if anyone asks I will make the claim that you are the creator (but I am the master of it 😉🤣), I am currently in Belarus restarting a journeyman and my club is flat broke and I am struggling to offload a few players I think my new (cough cough) I mean your strategy will come in very useful lol, thanks for letting us know about it. 👍🏻👍🏻
Oh mate, it’s 100% yours to steal, none of this borrowing shit :) It’s yours mate, no credit needed…knowledge shared is knowledge gained, hope it gets you many a Ruble!
Thx mate always nice to get away with a five finger discount, not sure if many Rubles will be possible as my star player at 5 stars is worth an amazing 30k lol but something will be better than nothing atm.
You just have to be the type of manager / playing the type of save where you'll be at the club a long time to make sure you reap the financial rewards of this over the next few years.
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It's basic economics. Money now is worth more than money tomorrow. In real life, OP would be screwing his club with this technique as the game doesn't account for inflation.
Because FM clubs will never *really* go bankrupt, they can be a lot looser with their spending than real clubs. The worst that happens is them going into administration, but there's always a takeover if that happens, from memory.
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Would you still like me to write the guide? I abolutely will if you want me to, but if you either use /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)'s or check out EvidenceBasedFM then you'd probably be better off? Your call :)
To be honest it’s not that similar, but theirs will be considerably more efficacious in terms of attribute progression. Mine is more focussed on team cohesion and squad unity; I let players’ attribute progression take care of itself more from game time and natural maturation. Someone’s asked me to do an updated FM24 scouting one, but it’ll be FM25 before we know it so I’ll probably wait till then until I do something like that.
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Oh mate, that's such a kind thing to say :) Genuinely, it makes me so happy that people are enjoying them and finding them useful. Can only hope tomorrow's isn't a massive disapointment! :)
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I struggled with starting FM for almost 2 years now. But your guides gave me the help i was looking for and now I'm really enjoying it. Teamwork is the most underrated attribute of all time.
That’s great to hear man, genuinely, that makes me so happy :) You’ll hear many a person say that mathematically Teamwork is one of the least efficacious attributes in FM in terms of getting a result - and they’d be statistically correct - but that’s not why I love it so much: it’s about fostering a team spirit, a culture of all for the team not for oneself, all for one and one for all type thing, and I think that’s more important. Team cohesion, team spirit, work rate and togetherness are everything. Hope you keep enjoying and learning my man, all my love.
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Thanks so much for your comment /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)! That's kind of the reason I haven't got round to writing my training guide yet, because I'm 100% aware there are more effective - or at least efficacious, certainly - training methods out there, especially on YouTube, and I've heard excellent things about EvidenceBasedFM too. Personally, I think this method is a bit too "gamey" for me (which I'm aware is very hypocritical of me on a post like this about a transfer method which some people may quite reasonably think is too gamey too) and I prefer my training method / schedules / strategy which feels more like what would happen in real life. But that is 100% - I mean 100% - not saying that either that is true or that EvidenceBasedFM's method is too gamey, or whatever. 'Cause his method is 100% more efficacious, hence my reticence to write my own training guide, as it'll without question not be as good in terms of attribute progression as his. It's a single player game, so do as you will, but I just prefer using my methods, despite their unquestionable inferiority to EvidenceBasedFM's.
Would you still like me to write the guide /u/[ThaBlackLoki](https://www.reddit.com/user/ThaBlackLoki/) or /u/[Archies09](https://www.reddit.com/user/Archies09/)? I abolutely will if you want me to, but if you either use /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)'s or check out EvidenceBasedFM then you'd probably be better off? Your call :)
Would you still like me to write the guide? I abolutely will if you want me to, but if you either use /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)'s or check out EvidenceBasedFM then you'd probably be better off? Your call :)
Also what I started to do and it feels less gamey is adding yearly installments. For example I could sell a player for 40m max. Clubs will accept an offer as 25m plus 30m in 3 installments yearly or even more.
So yeah I get way more money for players but over 3 years not immediately and it's only good suggestions if you're already rich.
Thanks for sharing your method. I really struggle with the transfer window part of the game. I am still new as I am in my 2nd season with my first time (Man UFC) so there is a lot to learn. I've heard about this tactic, but then without the installment part, so that is a nice bonus to try to use.
However, I hardly get any first bids when I make some players available for transfer with the unspecified amount, or any amount really. Do you have tips for this? Am I doing maybe the wrong kind of players to sell? I guess that I am more of asking is, how do I determ when I can put up a player for transfer, cause I have some that I won't use and i've put them in the U21 squad and listed them, but as mentioned, no offers yet.
Does taking offers take time or would you receive it the next day already of listing them?
Thanks in advance and once again, great post to read.
> However, I hardly get any first bids when I make some players available for transfer with the unspecified amount, or any amount really
Sometimes this happens to me when nobody's interested in paying the player's wages, because they are too high for what they think of him as a player. Sometimes clubs can also be a bit coy, or at least not be interested in a player during certain times of the window. I continue offering these players, ask them to look for a club as well, and about 65% of the time offers do eventually come in. Sometimes they just don't though.
To be fair, some of them have a high wage indeed, for example Harry Maguire and they have been put back to the U21 squad, which maybe doesn't help eather, I am unsure about this.
I wonder, do you take control of U21/U18 transfers yourself? Cause I find it very overwhelming to be in control of 3 teams, specially when it comes to making sure there are enough for there squad to play without being loaned out.
I take care of all transfers at the club personally, but my club has been promoted from the 6th tier all the way to the Prem over the decades under my watch, and we still don't really have the finances or the stadium to have full on U18 and U23 sides. To be able to compete in the Prem I need to pay certain wages to hold on to the sort of players I need to be competitive enough for the board to be happy. It doesn't leave me much to spend on wages for my U23 or U18 sides at the moment.
Any U18 players I sign go right in my U23 squad, which usually only has 2-5 players in it, basically backups who I can throw into my first team if there's injuries or some other need for a player in that position. So my U18 squad is basically non-existent and my U23 squad is very bare. I use it to get players who are out of form or not getting minutes a bit of playing time, basically, plus for those backup players to get minutes so they can improve too.
Slowly season by season the board gives me more wages to play with, so I can afford to spend more and more on player's wages.. but my main side is fairly young, as I just can't afford to have many 28 year old players of the quality I want, they would all want to be paid handsomely.. Instead I usually sign 15-22 year olds who have a lot of promise, since I can pay those players less, and once their wage demands get too astronomical I am basically forced to sell them for a profit. A lot of them want to eventually leave anyhow to play for bigger clubs, since they are players with promise.
So at the moment each transfer window is rather key for me, as I have to sell certain overachieving players, those who are now older and who's wages I can't justify, and those who never panned out and will not develop into 4-5 star players anymore, and so I can sign new younger players so I have enough depth in each position. I can't afford to leave any of this up to any of my staff, but since I don't really have a U18 side and my U23 side is so bare, it's still somewhat manageable.
I really enjoy the transfer windows though and the squad building part of the game, so I doubt I will change my approach even when I have to deal with 3 full squads of players to sign and sell (main, U23, and U18)
I manage the loans personally too; there aren't that many, it's basically the players who are too young to feature for the first team, but who have a lot of promise. If chances of them being needed as backups are low, I will loan them out, so they can develop faster and eventually turn into players I can use.
The good news for me is that I am now starting to be able to hold on to 1 or 2 players longer, such as my last goalie who was with me from the ages of 21 to 31 or so. I had to pay him more when he was older, but now I've reached the stage when I can afford to do that for a key player or two. I've finished the last 3-4 seasons in the 7th-10th position or so, always just below European qualification of any kind.. The current goal is to start qualifying for Europe consistently, so that the board allows me to build a new stadium, which should ramp up my profit intake to allow me to hold on to more quality players well into their prime. I actually have already won the Europa Conference league, I qualified by winning the uhm whatever it's called cup once, and have won the FA Cup once and made it to the Europa League final as a result. Ended up losing to Inter though. I figure the more I feature in Europe, the higher my profits, the faster I'll be able to grow into a top 4 sort of side that can start challenging for the Prem title and eventually the Champions League crown. It's been a 30+ year journey to get my club from the 6th tier and a crap standing only stadium to where I am now, but I still have some ways to go. And I feel that transfer windows are a key aspect of me progressing the club, so I take extra special care with them to make sure I get rid of the right players and that I sign the right players, and that my wage structure is not screwed over by an incompetent assistant.
Interesting, lots to learn. Maybe I should take over the U21 and U18 squad, but I always thought you need to have atleast 11 players in there so they can actually play matches, where you make it sound, correct me if I am wrong, that your U18 squad is almost empty, if not empty at all.
If you don't have enough actual players in your U18, U21, or U23 squad, the game will generate sort of quasi-players so that the matches can still take place. You won't be able to sell those players though, they are sort of erm holograms let's say lol. But yeah, that's right, my U18 squad is empty. But they still compete in the scheduled matches np
That's really kind of you to say mate, thanks; and I'm glad it sounds like it might help. Honestly, I can't be sure why you're not getting offers...maybe the players are a bit overpriced to other teams 'cause your reputation as Man U might be overly inflating their values? It normally takes a few days for offers to come back, but maybe if you started with this method (£0 up front + installments) you might get more initial interest? Maybe try using an intermediary to get some inital offers and then start using this method? Other than that I can't really think of what the reason might be / how I can help. If you want to send me your save via Google Drive or something I can take a look and see what might be the problem, but - like I say - I can't think or anything I'd do different other than what I've mentioned.
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That could be an option to share the savefile, I need to have a look where it's saved, cause as mentioned, it's still new to me :D
I am currently in the winter transfer window of the 2nd season. Could that make any difference compaired to the long summer window?
-edit- My save: [https://file.io/ydyNhTaMkGGL](https://file.io/ydyNhTaMkGGL)
Right, finally managed to have a look and try a few things, but yeah: you're right...no-one seems to want old Harry Maguire or Donny van de Beek! I've tried various ways, but the following screenshots are all I could get: [https://imgur.com/a/m0PbLmz/](https://imgur.com/a/m0PbLmz/) Maybe it is to do with your reputation as Man U, or maybe they're just on too high wages for the other clubs to be willing to make an offer, I dunno?
Thanks for having a look. I agree, I think when it comes to Maguire, the wage is too high. I am close to the summer transfer window and looking forward to then give it a try.
On top of that I am also thinking of maybe selling some other players to get some money going. Thanks!
I think doing it in the summer will be much more fruitful too though, as your players would be cup tied in European competitions for their new club if they signed in January, so you’ll definitely get more interest between seasons.
Well, I disagree to a point. You’ve still taken the time to be kind yourself, and there’s not enough of that in the world mate. Positivity breeds positivity ☮ ♡ :)
Not OP but I have used his sistem a while now and bout your problem.
Since its United there is one problem that you get from United but also from the Premier League is your players have too big of a salary meaning clubs wont be interested of leaving because of that or the clubs wont want to spend too much money on them ( thankfull this year with the Saudi that part is not as hard as before but it is still a problem), meaning you might have to put some salary contrubitions to get clubs into the door.
About the lack of clubs interested there is also a easy way to get clubs starting to flood into the gates and thats by offering the player for free just to get the interest going after doing that and rejecting them you can start doing the OP way because they usually still keep themself around...not all of them but some.
Also seeling at the winter market is a bad idea because clubs usually dont have any money and wont buy players and you should really only do it at a last resort...
Best of luck mate!
Thanks, I forgot about the high wage part, that is very true. I have a copple of matches left and then I can try to enter the Summer and see if we can get it going. Looking forward to trying.
Can do, it's a happy medium. I use this technique for youngsters who haven't quite reached the level I'd have wanted them to, so often have very few changes in my first 11, just around the fringes instead.
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While this gets you more money, it only gets you money in the future. I don't really like this - money now is better than money later. I prefer 10 million now instead of 13 million spread out over the years. That money now allows for immediate signings that will elevate my club and bring in more money in a feedback loop.
Fair enough, each to their own :) If you've done this year after year you just get hundreds of millions every year a few years down the line without doing much...but I completely agree with your point :)
Yes, that is true. If you play "slowly" then that will give you a lot of money and financial stability. I am usually very aggressive in my transfers to try to speedrun success, I'll do stuff like "spend" 100 million with Braga despite having a budget of no more than 40 after sales, I'll put a lot in future instalments to get the player now and improve my team. I've signed Seimen for 50-something million, Jewison Bennette for 18, Ouédraogo for 20, Sucic for around 20, Manu Koné for 16, João Rêgo for 32, all in the space of two seasons. I'm in 90 million of transfer debt but I'm not too worried because I'm going to the UCL and I'm close to the league title, if anything I'll sell one or two players (for more money because my reputation is improving as well).
50m for seimen?? Seems way too much.
Buying players is easy: make enquiry, make offer, change cash to around 25%, installments 50% and after 50 appearances 30-35%.
It's a bit much yeah but it was the best I could do. It worked out, I scored 87 points in 34 matches and only lost the title because Sporting won the quintuple this season (they spent 300 million).
Very good. I’ll give this a try. Do Saudi clubs get themselves involved in these battles doing wars? I swear I feel slightly unethical nowadays with how much I flip players to Saudi Arabia. 🇸🇦
You said in your original post that once you offer out a player for £0 and put in small increments of instalments I will get many, many offers for the player. But do you get offered any money up front with this method or are all the offers basically only in instalments?
It’s not that I offer out for £0 first, it’s that I offer out for an unspecified amount. So: he’s for sale, what you bidding? So I’ll normally get two or three derisory offers, the largest of which I’ll accept, then start increasing incrementally from there.
As long as you don't need the money up front to buy a specific player in the same transfer window, then that is a brilliant move.
One question though: do you only ask for 1 yearly and 1 six-month installment? Or multiple? I imagine the clubs would be more inclined to spend more the longer the payments are spread, am I right?
Thanks mate. Yep, 100% agreed; if you look at the imgur link, you'll see I ask for literally the most possible installments to spread it out for them (and me, of course) as much as possible
You can also do the same method with upfront fees. When I was doing a Build nation saves, I had incredible players with values of like 400K due to poor reputation, but this method made me sell them for like 10-15 Mil.
I have always done this but without the installments, and it works the same. Always accept one of the bids and reject the remaining, and then offer the player for a bit more.
Good question. I’m LBS Lions from the 12th tier in my current save, and you’re right: I didn’t use this in the lower leagues. I guess assuming you get promoted every season / every other season, then the money you’ve lined up to get over the next few years won’t end up being that useful / feel like it’s as much almost as it would be up front a few years back, does that make sense? So I didn’t use it until I was in the Prem, in the UCL, and actually winning both. I needed the money up front to build my squad up as we were getting promoted so quickly / climbing the league so quickly in the PL that I just needed as much money as I could get, as quickly as I could get it.
I actually knew of this method, but never thought of adding installments on top of it. I learnt it from FMtuber Clayts, but he only did upfront payments without installments.
I do this too. I’ll offer a player out for 10m, get nothing for him, offer him out for 5m, get a lot of bids then do this and eventually sell for 15-20
Do you maybe have information/tips regarding buying players? I just entered the summer transfer window with Man UFC (3rd season) and was wondering how I could approuch finding young talented players for the team.
I’ve written a few guides mate, of which this: https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/s/eyysHOJ0ZI is probably the most applicable. Does that look like it might help?
Yes and no, sounds like a lot of effort to add 20k+ players to a shortlist, to then filter them down to an endlist. It does sound nice though, have to think about it :)
Well it depends. Do you play with attribute making on I take it? ‘Cause, assuming you do, I find my way the best way to catch all the good prospects, but I agree: depends how much time you have to dedicate to it! If you’re looking for good young players then just be aware that Aggression, Bravery, Natural Fitness and Teamwork are effectively fixed for a player’s career, so if those four are high at a young age then there’s a half decent chance the rest of his attributes will catch up. Not always though of course, but it can be a good indicator. I maintain that literally the most important attributes are a player’s Personality and Media Handling Style though; they affect how well he trains, behaves, integrates into a team, and ultimately how well he‘ll develop. A good Personality makes \*everything\* work better.
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Well, I gave your guide a go, but I can't seem to find certain search options as FM24 is different the FM22, when you created it. For example, I can't find an 'or' option for teamwork and natural fitness, because now it comes on top as a certainy and not an 'or' option.
Besides that, I can't find 'contract status' is 'amateur' etc. So I got stuck now making your large, but interesting filter.
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Contract status is now on bottom left and you have to choose something, same like age, so those can't be filtered as mentioned in your guide it seems.
Yeah, you’re right; I do it slightly differently now I’m on 24 too. I might do an updated guide for 24, but it’ll be 25 before we know it so will probably hold out till then.
I'm sure this 'feature' is already known but I only figured it out the other day. When you have a player you don't want to sell because they're young, only getting better, and already world class (or whatever), you can go to their transfer page and up their asking price to the 2nd to highest level in terms of their response (player feels the asking price is way above their value), then talk with them and agree on either this price or a negotiated price. When they finally agree you can then set the asking price to something ridiculous and they won't complain for at least one round of bidding, despite the 'promises' section listing the asking price you agreed upon.
EG, 188 CA left inside forward Noah Pannewitz (still improving!). I'm at a Portuguese club and despite the fact that it's the highest rated club in the world, it's still Portugal, so the transfer 'value' of Noah defaults to say, 60m. If I sell him for that he'll be listed at 220m or more, but if I don't change that default value I'll get a flood of bids at that price, so I get him to agree to 74m as a transfer value, then I set it to 277m. No more bids..... well but in his case Man City kept coming back and though Noah didn't get mad that I kept negotiating I ended up taking the 173m bid from them because FFP has finally caught up with us. Our stadium is still an 8700 All-Seater and our revenue just isn't up to snuff yet.
Like OP I do end up selling lots of 150 CA players when they get to around 23-24 and aren't developing as much on loan. Can't get anything like what they're worth really, but quantity is a quality all it's own.
Fair enough :) I wouldn't say it's cheesing it, I'd say this would happen in real life too, but if it's not for you it's not for you :) Hope your save's going well anyway mate :)
This is literally how transfers work in real life, look at Chelsea this season, sign a player for over 100 million on a 8 year contract so they can spread out that 100 million over those 8 years, so that’s 12,500,000 per year
Actually no, I'm just going to assume it is, 'cause it pretty obiovusly reads like one :) My favourite Reddit comment is a completely unnecessary, sanctimonious one which brings literally nothing to any discussion...other than to make me chuckle, anyway :) Who cares what you think mate? :)
It's clearly not cheating or tricking the game, as those type of transfer offers would very obviously be much more appealing to buying clubs...so to compare it to literally restarting the game to win a match you at first lost is...amusingly hyperbolic :) That's something I've never done, nor would ever do, likewise with the editor. You could have just walked on by and not commented, but no: you had to stick you oar in, like anyone cared what you had to say, and thow an amusingly hyperbolic and patently incorrect aside which help literally no-one, in any way...other than making me chuckle :) You're very cute, sweet almost, thanks for the smile. All the best mate, all my love ☮ ♡ :)
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But if you accept the first bid, the player can just sign to that club? Or am I missing something?
OP cancels the first bid when he accepts the next (higher) one.
That's it. And just keep going and going, you get sooooo much more than you would do up front.
Not the case You get more money just by rejecting all other clubs and offering X more each time, rinsing and repeating that way
So, not just rejecting all but one of the offers, but rejecting literally all…is that what you mean? Edit: spelling
I just mean you don't have to do the 0 upfront tactic If you get a 20M offer, accept Offer back out for 22.5M Accept 22.5, cancel 20, offer 25 The club that offered 20 will go 25 Keep doing that and bidding wars happen, I've had 65M for a 26-32M CB
Oh okay, I see :) To be honest I’ve actually never tried that, I’ve always just assumed that offering for £0 up front then it all in instalments would elicit the most interest from as many clubs as possible, but you absolutely might be right :)
Oh i honestly didnt know you can cancel a bid when the player is in the 'contract' stage
I think even if the player agrees and wants to sign, you can still cancel the transfer
Yh you can, it will say Joe bloggs has accepted the offer from crappola FC and you have the option in the bottom right to either accept I think stall and cancel offer, but the player does tend to get a little pissy if you cancel last minute like that.
Go to the transfer page, then you can see the bids for players in and out. Find that player in question, expose the offers, and select the red X to cancel the transfer in question, whilst leaving the rest. If it meets a release clause then that option isn't available.
Since I wrote this guide I've got £60m for a £47m player, and £70m for a £34m player in my current save using this technique.
These are fairly reasonable amounts, you could probably get some money up front still. In general i've noticed that clubs will never offer more money up front than what they have on hand (obviously), so if a negotiable bid comes in, you can leave the upfront as-is and just raise the value through instalments. You'll end up at the same place (60M for a 47M valued player) but you'll also get some pocket money to play around with. This is largely useless in your long-term-save scenario but in the first couple years at a club this can make all the difference.
But you just described what he wrote about in his post?
I think he means that if I get an offer of £20m up front, than I can start increasing from £20m up front + monthly installments, rather than £20m+ purely in installments.
Exactly
my point is that going fully 0 up front isnt mandatory
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I have literally no idea who on earth those YouTube channels are, and have never seen this method anywhere before. That doesn’t mean it’s not out there, of course not, but I came up with this completely independently, and have been using it for years. Do they credit me as a source, ‘cause who knows: maybe I used it first? No, and I 100% wouldn’t expect them to. I doubt I did come up with it first, but I have literally never seen it anywhere else. I’m sorry my guide has made you so angry, but is it not possible I have literally never watched a single FM YouTube video, and have come up with a few tricks myself in the 31 years I’ve been playing this game literally since its inception? So no: I won’t credit anyone. Other than you, for making me chuckle :) Thanks mate, all my love and all the best ☮ ♡ :)
Baffling the lengths people go to for "content creators". Doubt they'd give a shit if they did take something from you
I think it's not about creators but about smart Andies who will watch something on YouTube, half understand it and then push it as their own brilliant idea. Don't tell me that it's not annoying when people pretend that they're smarter than they are.
Yeah, and he’s deleted his silly little comment now too :)
No, I doubt they would, but why would I want them to? Knowledge shared is knowledge gained; it’s a single player game, so surely we just want everyone to do the best they can :)
I meant they will challenge you about nothing, but wouldn't challenge them if it was the other way round.
I am going to permanently borrow your idea (sounds better than stealing it lol) and if anyone asks I will make the claim that you are the creator (but I am the master of it 😉🤣), I am currently in Belarus restarting a journeyman and my club is flat broke and I am struggling to offload a few players I think my new (cough cough) I mean your strategy will come in very useful lol, thanks for letting us know about it. 👍🏻👍🏻
Oh mate, it’s 100% yours to steal, none of this borrowing shit :) It’s yours mate, no credit needed…knowledge shared is knowledge gained, hope it gets you many a Ruble!
Thx mate always nice to get away with a five finger discount, not sure if many Rubles will be possible as my star player at 5 stars is worth an amazing 30k lol but something will be better than nothing atm.
This is genius. Never considered that clubs will be more interested if the upfront cost was lower.
Thanks man. You get the maximum possible for your players this way, or so I'd assume.
You just have to be the type of manager / playing the type of save where you'll be at the club a long time to make sure you reap the financial rewards of this over the next few years. Edit: spelling
It's basic economics. Money now is worth more than money tomorrow. In real life, OP would be screwing his club with this technique as the game doesn't account for inflation.
Sorry, what I meant was, I didn't think the AI would think the same way. I assumed it would still compute based on the total transfer cost.
Because FM clubs will never *really* go bankrupt, they can be a lot looser with their spending than real clubs. The worst that happens is them going into administration, but there's always a takeover if that happens, from memory.
Not always no
Can you also write a training guide as promised in one of the previous post? Thanks
Haha, yeah, sorry: been a bit lax on that. Will do man, sorry it's taken so long :)
I'll probably do it tomorrow actually.
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Would you still like me to write the guide? I abolutely will if you want me to, but if you either use /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)'s or check out EvidenceBasedFM then you'd probably be better off? Your call :)
If yours are similar to those then it's alright not to write a separate one. Do you any other guides planned? Like youth intake or staff related?
To be honest it’s not that similar, but theirs will be considerably more efficacious in terms of attribute progression. Mine is more focussed on team cohesion and squad unity; I let players’ attribute progression take care of itself more from game time and natural maturation. Someone’s asked me to do an updated FM24 scouting one, but it’ll be FM25 before we know it so I’ll probably wait till then until I do something like that. Edit: spelling
Sure, thanks for your efforts. Appreciate it🙌🏻
Would you be so kind to drop the links here? Thank you
Thank you very much. Your guides have been god tier so far.🙌🏻🙌🏻
Oh mate, that's such a kind thing to say :) Genuinely, it makes me so happy that people are enjoying them and finding them useful. Can only hope tomorrow's isn't a massive disapointment! :) Edit: spelling
I struggled with starting FM for almost 2 years now. But your guides gave me the help i was looking for and now I'm really enjoying it. Teamwork is the most underrated attribute of all time.
That’s great to hear man, genuinely, that makes me so happy :) You’ll hear many a person say that mathematically Teamwork is one of the least efficacious attributes in FM in terms of getting a result - and they’d be statistically correct - but that’s not why I love it so much: it’s about fostering a team spirit, a culture of all for the team not for oneself, all for one and one for all type thing, and I think that’s more important. Team cohesion, team spirit, work rate and togetherness are everything. Hope you keep enjoying and learning my man, all my love. Edit: spelling.
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Thanks so much for your comment /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)! That's kind of the reason I haven't got round to writing my training guide yet, because I'm 100% aware there are more effective - or at least efficacious, certainly - training methods out there, especially on YouTube, and I've heard excellent things about EvidenceBasedFM too. Personally, I think this method is a bit too "gamey" for me (which I'm aware is very hypocritical of me on a post like this about a transfer method which some people may quite reasonably think is too gamey too) and I prefer my training method / schedules / strategy which feels more like what would happen in real life. But that is 100% - I mean 100% - not saying that either that is true or that EvidenceBasedFM's method is too gamey, or whatever. 'Cause his method is 100% more efficacious, hence my reticence to write my own training guide, as it'll without question not be as good in terms of attribute progression as his. It's a single player game, so do as you will, but I just prefer using my methods, despite their unquestionable inferiority to EvidenceBasedFM's. Would you still like me to write the guide /u/[ThaBlackLoki](https://www.reddit.com/user/ThaBlackLoki/) or /u/[Archies09](https://www.reddit.com/user/Archies09/)? I abolutely will if you want me to, but if you either use /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)'s or check out EvidenceBasedFM then you'd probably be better off? Your call :)
Would you still like me to write the guide? I abolutely will if you want me to, but if you either use /u/[winstr12](https://www.reddit.com/user/winstr12/)'s or check out EvidenceBasedFM then you'd probably be better off? Your call :)
Also what I started to do and it feels less gamey is adding yearly installments. For example I could sell a player for 40m max. Clubs will accept an offer as 25m plus 30m in 3 installments yearly or even more. So yeah I get way more money for players but over 3 years not immediately and it's only good suggestions if you're already rich.
How do I offer a player out to clubs? Is there a specific way, or is it just “Sell to Transferroom”?
Yeah, just TransferRoom.
Thanks for sharing your method. I really struggle with the transfer window part of the game. I am still new as I am in my 2nd season with my first time (Man UFC) so there is a lot to learn. I've heard about this tactic, but then without the installment part, so that is a nice bonus to try to use. However, I hardly get any first bids when I make some players available for transfer with the unspecified amount, or any amount really. Do you have tips for this? Am I doing maybe the wrong kind of players to sell? I guess that I am more of asking is, how do I determ when I can put up a player for transfer, cause I have some that I won't use and i've put them in the U21 squad and listed them, but as mentioned, no offers yet. Does taking offers take time or would you receive it the next day already of listing them? Thanks in advance and once again, great post to read.
> However, I hardly get any first bids when I make some players available for transfer with the unspecified amount, or any amount really Sometimes this happens to me when nobody's interested in paying the player's wages, because they are too high for what they think of him as a player. Sometimes clubs can also be a bit coy, or at least not be interested in a player during certain times of the window. I continue offering these players, ask them to look for a club as well, and about 65% of the time offers do eventually come in. Sometimes they just don't though.
To be fair, some of them have a high wage indeed, for example Harry Maguire and they have been put back to the U21 squad, which maybe doesn't help eather, I am unsure about this. I wonder, do you take control of U21/U18 transfers yourself? Cause I find it very overwhelming to be in control of 3 teams, specially when it comes to making sure there are enough for there squad to play without being loaned out.
I take care of all transfers at the club personally, but my club has been promoted from the 6th tier all the way to the Prem over the decades under my watch, and we still don't really have the finances or the stadium to have full on U18 and U23 sides. To be able to compete in the Prem I need to pay certain wages to hold on to the sort of players I need to be competitive enough for the board to be happy. It doesn't leave me much to spend on wages for my U23 or U18 sides at the moment. Any U18 players I sign go right in my U23 squad, which usually only has 2-5 players in it, basically backups who I can throw into my first team if there's injuries or some other need for a player in that position. So my U18 squad is basically non-existent and my U23 squad is very bare. I use it to get players who are out of form or not getting minutes a bit of playing time, basically, plus for those backup players to get minutes so they can improve too. Slowly season by season the board gives me more wages to play with, so I can afford to spend more and more on player's wages.. but my main side is fairly young, as I just can't afford to have many 28 year old players of the quality I want, they would all want to be paid handsomely.. Instead I usually sign 15-22 year olds who have a lot of promise, since I can pay those players less, and once their wage demands get too astronomical I am basically forced to sell them for a profit. A lot of them want to eventually leave anyhow to play for bigger clubs, since they are players with promise. So at the moment each transfer window is rather key for me, as I have to sell certain overachieving players, those who are now older and who's wages I can't justify, and those who never panned out and will not develop into 4-5 star players anymore, and so I can sign new younger players so I have enough depth in each position. I can't afford to leave any of this up to any of my staff, but since I don't really have a U18 side and my U23 side is so bare, it's still somewhat manageable. I really enjoy the transfer windows though and the squad building part of the game, so I doubt I will change my approach even when I have to deal with 3 full squads of players to sign and sell (main, U23, and U18) I manage the loans personally too; there aren't that many, it's basically the players who are too young to feature for the first team, but who have a lot of promise. If chances of them being needed as backups are low, I will loan them out, so they can develop faster and eventually turn into players I can use. The good news for me is that I am now starting to be able to hold on to 1 or 2 players longer, such as my last goalie who was with me from the ages of 21 to 31 or so. I had to pay him more when he was older, but now I've reached the stage when I can afford to do that for a key player or two. I've finished the last 3-4 seasons in the 7th-10th position or so, always just below European qualification of any kind.. The current goal is to start qualifying for Europe consistently, so that the board allows me to build a new stadium, which should ramp up my profit intake to allow me to hold on to more quality players well into their prime. I actually have already won the Europa Conference league, I qualified by winning the uhm whatever it's called cup once, and have won the FA Cup once and made it to the Europa League final as a result. Ended up losing to Inter though. I figure the more I feature in Europe, the higher my profits, the faster I'll be able to grow into a top 4 sort of side that can start challenging for the Prem title and eventually the Champions League crown. It's been a 30+ year journey to get my club from the 6th tier and a crap standing only stadium to where I am now, but I still have some ways to go. And I feel that transfer windows are a key aspect of me progressing the club, so I take extra special care with them to make sure I get rid of the right players and that I sign the right players, and that my wage structure is not screwed over by an incompetent assistant.
Interesting, lots to learn. Maybe I should take over the U21 and U18 squad, but I always thought you need to have atleast 11 players in there so they can actually play matches, where you make it sound, correct me if I am wrong, that your U18 squad is almost empty, if not empty at all.
If you don't have enough actual players in your U18, U21, or U23 squad, the game will generate sort of quasi-players so that the matches can still take place. You won't be able to sell those players though, they are sort of erm holograms let's say lol. But yeah, that's right, my U18 squad is empty. But they still compete in the scheduled matches np
That's really kind of you to say mate, thanks; and I'm glad it sounds like it might help. Honestly, I can't be sure why you're not getting offers...maybe the players are a bit overpriced to other teams 'cause your reputation as Man U might be overly inflating their values? It normally takes a few days for offers to come back, but maybe if you started with this method (£0 up front + installments) you might get more initial interest? Maybe try using an intermediary to get some inital offers and then start using this method? Other than that I can't really think of what the reason might be / how I can help. If you want to send me your save via Google Drive or something I can take a look and see what might be the problem, but - like I say - I can't think or anything I'd do different other than what I've mentioned. Edit: spelling
That could be an option to share the savefile, I need to have a look where it's saved, cause as mentioned, it's still new to me :D I am currently in the winter transfer window of the 2nd season. Could that make any difference compaired to the long summer window? -edit- My save: [https://file.io/ydyNhTaMkGGL](https://file.io/ydyNhTaMkGGL)
I only ever sell in summer unless it’s an absolute necessity, so maybe?
Okay, I will try that. I managed to upload my save in the meantime in case you wanted to have a look. Thanks!
Will do mate, I’ll just have me lunch first :)
Right, finally managed to have a look and try a few things, but yeah: you're right...no-one seems to want old Harry Maguire or Donny van de Beek! I've tried various ways, but the following screenshots are all I could get: [https://imgur.com/a/m0PbLmz/](https://imgur.com/a/m0PbLmz/) Maybe it is to do with your reputation as Man U, or maybe they're just on too high wages for the other clubs to be willing to make an offer, I dunno?
Thanks for having a look. I agree, I think when it comes to Maguire, the wage is too high. I am close to the summer transfer window and looking forward to then give it a try. On top of that I am also thinking of maybe selling some other players to get some money going. Thanks!
I think doing it in the summer will be much more fruitful too though, as your players would be cup tied in European competitions for their new club if they signed in January, so you’ll definitely get more interest between seasons.
Seriously, what a kind offer.
And what a kind thing to say. All my love brother ☮ ♡ :)
Comments are easy, offering real help? That’s magic.
Well, I disagree to a point. You’ve still taken the time to be kind yourself, and there’s not enough of that in the world mate. Positivity breeds positivity ☮ ♡ :)
Not OP but I have used his sistem a while now and bout your problem. Since its United there is one problem that you get from United but also from the Premier League is your players have too big of a salary meaning clubs wont be interested of leaving because of that or the clubs wont want to spend too much money on them ( thankfull this year with the Saudi that part is not as hard as before but it is still a problem), meaning you might have to put some salary contrubitions to get clubs into the door. About the lack of clubs interested there is also a easy way to get clubs starting to flood into the gates and thats by offering the player for free just to get the interest going after doing that and rejecting them you can start doing the OP way because they usually still keep themself around...not all of them but some. Also seeling at the winter market is a bad idea because clubs usually dont have any money and wont buy players and you should really only do it at a last resort... Best of luck mate!
Thanks, I forgot about the high wage part, that is very true. I have a copple of matches left and then I can try to enter the Summer and see if we can get it going. Looking forward to trying.
Doesn't high turnover in the squad fuck up your squad dynamics?
Can do, it's a happy medium. I use this technique for youngsters who haven't quite reached the level I'd have wanted them to, so often have very few changes in my first 11, just around the fringes instead. Edit: spelling
While this gets you more money, it only gets you money in the future. I don't really like this - money now is better than money later. I prefer 10 million now instead of 13 million spread out over the years. That money now allows for immediate signings that will elevate my club and bring in more money in a feedback loop.
Fair enough, each to their own :) If you've done this year after year you just get hundreds of millions every year a few years down the line without doing much...but I completely agree with your point :)
Yes, that is true. If you play "slowly" then that will give you a lot of money and financial stability. I am usually very aggressive in my transfers to try to speedrun success, I'll do stuff like "spend" 100 million with Braga despite having a budget of no more than 40 after sales, I'll put a lot in future instalments to get the player now and improve my team. I've signed Seimen for 50-something million, Jewison Bennette for 18, Ouédraogo for 20, Sucic for around 20, Manu Koné for 16, João Rêgo for 32, all in the space of two seasons. I'm in 90 million of transfer debt but I'm not too worried because I'm going to the UCL and I'm close to the league title, if anything I'll sell one or two players (for more money because my reputation is improving as well).
50m for seimen?? Seems way too much. Buying players is easy: make enquiry, make offer, change cash to around 25%, installments 50% and after 50 appearances 30-35%.
It's a bit much yeah but it was the best I could do. It worked out, I scored 87 points in 34 matches and only lost the title because Sporting won the quintuple this season (they spent 300 million).
Nice work
Very good. I’ll give this a try. Do Saudi clubs get themselves involved in these battles doing wars? I swear I feel slightly unethical nowadays with how much I flip players to Saudi Arabia. 🇸🇦
Weirdly they don’t seem to, no? Your guess is as good as mine as to why though…
Never heard of this before. Can't wait to try it out, got to wait for my next transfer window. I'm also a huge sucker for the transfer window 😂
Best part of the season isn’t it! Sorting through your squad, organising, planning. Love it. Edit: spelling
You said in your original post that once you offer out a player for £0 and put in small increments of instalments I will get many, many offers for the player. But do you get offered any money up front with this method or are all the offers basically only in instalments?
It’s not that I offer out for £0 first, it’s that I offer out for an unspecified amount. So: he’s for sale, what you bidding? So I’ll normally get two or three derisory offers, the largest of which I’ll accept, then start increasing incrementally from there.
As long as you don't need the money up front to buy a specific player in the same transfer window, then that is a brilliant move. One question though: do you only ask for 1 yearly and 1 six-month installment? Or multiple? I imagine the clubs would be more inclined to spend more the longer the payments are spread, am I right?
Thanks mate. Yep, 100% agreed; if you look at the imgur link, you'll see I ask for literally the most possible installments to spread it out for them (and me, of course) as much as possible
Oh yeah, forgot about it 😂
You can also do the same method with upfront fees. When I was doing a Build nation saves, I had incredible players with values of like 400K due to poor reputation, but this method made me sell them for like 10-15 Mil.
I have always done this but without the installments, and it works the same. Always accept one of the bids and reject the remaining, and then offer the player for a bit more.
This is great 👍 appreciate the tips.
Thanks mate, that’s kind of you to say. Hope it works well for you :) Edit: spelling
Cheers dude.. ✌️
Does this work in January, I'm not getting any bites, I've tried 3 different players atm and nothing
Not as well, no, but it has occasionally for me. It 100% is a tactic best utilised in the summer, but it’s a bit hit and miss in the winter.
I guess this cant be done on lower leagues?
Good question. I’m LBS Lions from the 12th tier in my current save, and you’re right: I didn’t use this in the lower leagues. I guess assuming you get promoted every season / every other season, then the money you’ve lined up to get over the next few years won’t end up being that useful / feel like it’s as much almost as it would be up front a few years back, does that make sense? So I didn’t use it until I was in the Prem, in the UCL, and actually winning both. I needed the money up front to build my squad up as we were getting promoted so quickly / climbing the league so quickly in the PL that I just needed as much money as I could get, as quickly as I could get it.
I actually knew of this method, but never thought of adding installments on top of it. I learnt it from FMtuber Clayts, but he only did upfront payments without installments.
I do this too. I’ll offer a player out for 10m, get nothing for him, offer him out for 5m, get a lot of bids then do this and eventually sell for 15-20
When you offer them out, do you transfer list and set surplus to requirements? Or just offer them out unspecified only
I offer out unspecified and transfer list, but don't set to surplus to requirements. You do you though man, whatever you think is best :)
Do you maybe have information/tips regarding buying players? I just entered the summer transfer window with Man UFC (3rd season) and was wondering how I could approuch finding young talented players for the team.
I’ve written a few guides mate, of which this: https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/s/eyysHOJ0ZI is probably the most applicable. Does that look like it might help?
Yes and no, sounds like a lot of effort to add 20k+ players to a shortlist, to then filter them down to an endlist. It does sound nice though, have to think about it :)
Well it depends. Do you play with attribute making on I take it? ‘Cause, assuming you do, I find my way the best way to catch all the good prospects, but I agree: depends how much time you have to dedicate to it! If you’re looking for good young players then just be aware that Aggression, Bravery, Natural Fitness and Teamwork are effectively fixed for a player’s career, so if those four are high at a young age then there’s a half decent chance the rest of his attributes will catch up. Not always though of course, but it can be a good indicator. I maintain that literally the most important attributes are a player’s Personality and Media Handling Style though; they affect how well he trains, behaves, integrates into a team, and ultimately how well he‘ll develop. A good Personality makes \*everything\* work better. Edit: spelling
Well, I gave your guide a go, but I can't seem to find certain search options as FM24 is different the FM22, when you created it. For example, I can't find an 'or' option for teamwork and natural fitness, because now it comes on top as a certainy and not an 'or' option. Besides that, I can't find 'contract status' is 'amateur' etc. So I got stuck now making your large, but interesting filter. -edit- Contract status is now on bottom left and you have to choose something, same like age, so those can't be filtered as mentioned in your guide it seems.
Yeah, you’re right; I do it slightly differently now I’m on 24 too. I might do an updated guide for 24, but it’ll be 25 before we know it so will probably hold out till then.
Aww understandable, but sad to hear. Was looking forward to learn from you.
I'm sure this 'feature' is already known but I only figured it out the other day. When you have a player you don't want to sell because they're young, only getting better, and already world class (or whatever), you can go to their transfer page and up their asking price to the 2nd to highest level in terms of their response (player feels the asking price is way above their value), then talk with them and agree on either this price or a negotiated price. When they finally agree you can then set the asking price to something ridiculous and they won't complain for at least one round of bidding, despite the 'promises' section listing the asking price you agreed upon. EG, 188 CA left inside forward Noah Pannewitz (still improving!). I'm at a Portuguese club and despite the fact that it's the highest rated club in the world, it's still Portugal, so the transfer 'value' of Noah defaults to say, 60m. If I sell him for that he'll be listed at 220m or more, but if I don't change that default value I'll get a flood of bids at that price, so I get him to agree to 74m as a transfer value, then I set it to 277m. No more bids..... well but in his case Man City kept coming back and though Noah didn't get mad that I kept negotiating I ended up taking the 173m bid from them because FFP has finally caught up with us. Our stadium is still an 8700 All-Seater and our revenue just isn't up to snuff yet. Like OP I do end up selling lots of 150 CA players when they get to around 23-24 and aren't developing as much on loan. Can't get anything like what they're worth really, but quantity is a quality all it's own.
If I cheese the game like this i lose interest pretty quickly.
Fair enough :) I wouldn't say it's cheesing it, I'd say this would happen in real life too, but if it's not for you it's not for you :) Hope your save's going well anyway mate :)
This is literally how transfers work in real life, look at Chelsea this season, sign a player for over 100 million on a 8 year contract so they can spread out that 100 million over those 8 years, so that’s 12,500,000 per year
Well if I had to play this game like that...same for save/load scum or editor
Don't really understand that comment mate, what do you mean?
I do hope it's my absolute favourite type of Reddit comment... :)
Actually no, I'm just going to assume it is, 'cause it pretty obiovusly reads like one :) My favourite Reddit comment is a completely unnecessary, sanctimonious one which brings literally nothing to any discussion...other than to make me chuckle, anyway :) Who cares what you think mate? :) It's clearly not cheating or tricking the game, as those type of transfer offers would very obviously be much more appealing to buying clubs...so to compare it to literally restarting the game to win a match you at first lost is...amusingly hyperbolic :) That's something I've never done, nor would ever do, likewise with the editor. You could have just walked on by and not commented, but no: you had to stick you oar in, like anyone cared what you had to say, and thow an amusingly hyperbolic and patently incorrect aside which help literally no-one, in any way...other than making me chuckle :) You're very cute, sweet almost, thanks for the smile. All the best mate, all my love ☮ ♡ :)
Shit cheating for shit players, call it whatever you want
Aww, you’re sweet :) Thanks for brightening my day mate ☮ ♡ :)