All my life I've tried to make a possesion based tacitc to have 65%+ every game
Every year from cm01 to fm 2022 I tried amd it always turned out as Ancelotti counter attack 40% possesion winning machine.
Fm23 I embraced my style of play and tried to make a Counterattacking team, and for the first time ever it turned into a total domination 70%+ possesion system.
So yeah I guess I know jack shit about tactics but this one works
Sk
Cd/bpd/cd
Wbl/dm/wbr
Mez(a)/mez(s)
Af a / af a
Tons of player instruction if you are curious I can write them out
Yeah help me out with player instructions,also i thought that the only way I could dominate the opposition is if I win midfield battle ,and although whenever I try to create dominating style ,i always end up with having conclusion that 433 is best but in 433 i wasn't able to dominate as 3 midfield doesn't feel sufficient to rule the midfield,so i tried 343 formation having 4 midfield,even that didn't work as it was risky at the back and wasn't effective in creativity too as I was losing width,so at last only option was using wing backs for helping midfield,which I was scared to try because it needs sacrifice of 1 player in attack,i guess i have to try what you said.
And can you help me with player instructions?
It’s just that counter systems generally are based on sitting los and gamble on getting through a handful of chances.
Which works with the right players in real life, but it isn’t as good simulated with tactic
Mainly because it depends more on your players, then tactic.
You play a defensive tactic and slap a bunch if lightning fast and very good attacking players on it plus a good and center passing machine.
The problem is, that after that its hard to maximise.
Yes in real life there are examples of more defensive minded successful teams, RM last CL season first example. But in the end most teams don’t like to gamble, thats why proactive tactics are favoured snd pretty much rl meta too.
Ironically if you want to maximise the effectiveness of direct counter through tactic, you end up with a very fast playstyle, that needs to make space and have run in that.
Which means you press back the opponent team and have more if the game.
Hence ends up in more possession.
In FM at some point if you don’t completely build an edge case tactic generally you end up with possession like football, especially when your team gets better and better.
If you win the ball easily and then gun down in an attack and have a shot on target. Naturally you have more possession.
People generally don't recommend having two playmakers in the same tactic (in your case, the AP and the Regista) because they will both go to similar places in order to receive the ball often.
Also, I personally like to have at least one "space eater" in my midfield. The player who's always running and helps with the pressing - specially because one of the most important things in order to have huge percentages of possession is getting the ball back when you don't have it.
I disagree heavily on the two playmakers point. I find that I almost NEED two playmakers, but a regista and an AP both in a midfield 3 specifically may not be the best combo for the reasons you mentioned
My fave combo for a midfield 3 is DLP(D) in the DM slot and AP(A) in one of the others
I've had quite a hard time getting an APa on the wing to work on fm24, used it a lot in previous versions with an AF when trying to replicate a sort of Firmino Salah thing. How're you using one these days?
It depends a lot on your players. If the third player you have is good enough even CM on support or attack may work well.
If we're talking in general I love the combo Ball Winning(DM) and Carrilero + AP on attack, and I've been using a formation with these since FM22 and getting great results, even winning against way better 11s than mine - just keep on mind that finding a good carrilero is very hard.
In this tactic, the "Space eater" would be the BWM, but you can have a box-to-box instead if it suits better your player or tactic.
Are you willing to sacrifice 40+ points a season by not doing 3 clicks but you instead get to roleplay a possession team? It can be done but i lost my mind by the end of second season, did my 3 clicks and immediately went from relegation threatened to easily making top 4 in La Liga.
Oh dont get me wrong, its absolutely what you should do unless you are roleplaying and intentionally making your team perform worse: But i did a lot of testing trying to get my possession % as high as possible and pressing just isnt it
You can't go wrong with two DM's plus a ridiculously intense Gegenpress right now.
For possession based tactics I'll use DLP and a ball winner at DM and in defense 1 BPD and one standard center half.
Full back position and roles would depend on the rest of the teams shape mostly, but WB is a good option for possession, maybe one on support and one on defend.
Cds over bpds because they have "take more risks" on their passing so a bpd looks to hit a low percentage pass sometimes. Otherwise as many support duties as possible and think tiki taka Pep or Spain. A dlpd at 6, a dlps at 8, maybe a cms in there, an f9 up front etc. I had a good possession tactic on fm23 as Portugal but it didn't score many goals - often won 1-0 but with like 1000 passes and 70% plus. I'll copy it here later when I'm home if you're interested
Ngl buddy I loaded up my current FM24 save and plugged the tactic from 23 straight into it (I keep loads of tactics all the time) for 2 matches and it doesn't work nearly as well - only 62% possession, 93% pass completion but only 630 passes attempted, most by a single player was only 82 so a bit disappointing. Back to the drawing board.
The key is to have one holding midfielder, one playmaker and one offensive midfielder. Of course, you could combine a holding/offensive midfielder and playmaker (DLP and AP respectively).
Try to either change the regista or the AP, you generally don't want two playmakers in the same team.
All my life I've tried to make a possesion based tacitc to have 65%+ every game Every year from cm01 to fm 2022 I tried amd it always turned out as Ancelotti counter attack 40% possesion winning machine. Fm23 I embraced my style of play and tried to make a Counterattacking team, and for the first time ever it turned into a total domination 70%+ possesion system. So yeah I guess I know jack shit about tactics but this one works Sk Cd/bpd/cd Wbl/dm/wbr Mez(a)/mez(s) Af a / af a Tons of player instruction if you are curious I can write them out
Yeah help me out with player instructions,also i thought that the only way I could dominate the opposition is if I win midfield battle ,and although whenever I try to create dominating style ,i always end up with having conclusion that 433 is best but in 433 i wasn't able to dominate as 3 midfield doesn't feel sufficient to rule the midfield,so i tried 343 formation having 4 midfield,even that didn't work as it was risky at the back and wasn't effective in creativity too as I was losing width,so at last only option was using wing backs for helping midfield,which I was scared to try because it needs sacrifice of 1 player in attack,i guess i have to try what you said. And can you help me with player instructions?
It’s just that counter systems generally are based on sitting los and gamble on getting through a handful of chances. Which works with the right players in real life, but it isn’t as good simulated with tactic Mainly because it depends more on your players, then tactic. You play a defensive tactic and slap a bunch if lightning fast and very good attacking players on it plus a good and center passing machine. The problem is, that after that its hard to maximise. Yes in real life there are examples of more defensive minded successful teams, RM last CL season first example. But in the end most teams don’t like to gamble, thats why proactive tactics are favoured snd pretty much rl meta too. Ironically if you want to maximise the effectiveness of direct counter through tactic, you end up with a very fast playstyle, that needs to make space and have run in that. Which means you press back the opponent team and have more if the game. Hence ends up in more possession. In FM at some point if you don’t completely build an edge case tactic generally you end up with possession like football, especially when your team gets better and better. If you win the ball easily and then gun down in an attack and have a shot on target. Naturally you have more possession.
People generally don't recommend having two playmakers in the same tactic (in your case, the AP and the Regista) because they will both go to similar places in order to receive the ball often. Also, I personally like to have at least one "space eater" in my midfield. The player who's always running and helps with the pressing - specially because one of the most important things in order to have huge percentages of possession is getting the ball back when you don't have it.
I disagree heavily on the two playmakers point. I find that I almost NEED two playmakers, but a regista and an AP both in a midfield 3 specifically may not be the best combo for the reasons you mentioned My fave combo for a midfield 3 is DLP(D) in the DM slot and AP(A) in one of the others
I also like one high and one further back.
I really like a DLP(S) in midfield with an AP(A) on the wing too. AP(A) on the wings is a really underused role.
I've had quite a hard time getting an APa on the wing to work on fm24, used it a lot in previous versions with an AF when trying to replicate a sort of Firmino Salah thing. How're you using one these days?
Do both of them get good performance rates and numbers of assists? I've never tried it, but maybe it may work in some cases
So using anchor,AP and suggest the third midfield position?
It depends a lot on your players. If the third player you have is good enough even CM on support or attack may work well. If we're talking in general I love the combo Ball Winning(DM) and Carrilero + AP on attack, and I've been using a formation with these since FM22 and getting great results, even winning against way better 11s than mine - just keep on mind that finding a good carrilero is very hard. In this tactic, the "Space eater" would be the BWM, but you can have a box-to-box instead if it suits better your player or tactic.
Are you willing to sacrifice 40+ points a season by not doing 3 clicks but you instead get to roleplay a possession team? It can be done but i lost my mind by the end of second season, did my 3 clicks and immediately went from relegation threatened to easily making top 4 in La Liga.
What are 3 clicks idgi?
turn up tempo + pressing
You can press like fuck in a possession system because you want the ball back asap
Good theory, irrelevant for the game engine.
Works for me *shrug*
Oh dont get me wrong, its absolutely what you should do unless you are roleplaying and intentionally making your team perform worse: But i did a lot of testing trying to get my possession % as high as possible and pressing just isnt it
You can't go wrong with two DM's plus a ridiculously intense Gegenpress right now. For possession based tactics I'll use DLP and a ball winner at DM and in defense 1 BPD and one standard center half. Full back position and roles would depend on the rest of the teams shape mostly, but WB is a good option for possession, maybe one on support and one on defend.
Cds over bpds because they have "take more risks" on their passing so a bpd looks to hit a low percentage pass sometimes. Otherwise as many support duties as possible and think tiki taka Pep or Spain. A dlpd at 6, a dlps at 8, maybe a cms in there, an f9 up front etc. I had a good possession tactic on fm23 as Portugal but it didn't score many goals - often won 1-0 but with like 1000 passes and 70% plus. I'll copy it here later when I'm home if you're interested
Sure help me out whenever you're free.
Ngl buddy I loaded up my current FM24 save and plugged the tactic from 23 straight into it (I keep loads of tactics all the time) for 2 matches and it doesn't work nearly as well - only 62% possession, 93% pass completion but only 630 passes attempted, most by a single player was only 82 so a bit disappointing. Back to the drawing board.
The key is to have one holding midfielder, one playmaker and one offensive midfielder. Of course, you could combine a holding/offensive midfielder and playmaker (DLP and AP respectively). Try to either change the regista or the AP, you generally don't want two playmakers in the same team.