Delayed heavy would mean that hero could change the timing, which Medjay can't, his heavies are just 1000ms so super slow.
Hito and Shugoki can delay and change the timing of their heavies with charging.
Actually you can delay most heavies. You’re describing charged heavies, which are different. Delayed *chain* heavies are waiting till the absolute last second to input the attack. Idk the exact numbers, but if you buffer the heavy attack, it comes out at the normal, soonest possible timing. But you can delay the input of most (not all) chained attacks to make the timing slightly later. It’s only about 200ms difference at most but it makes a difference
Everyone complains about JJ but I am absolutely just become a level 1 bot when it comes to fighting Medjay. Especially now when I’m trying to play as Warmonger, I feel her speed to change block direction is slower than reflex guard so if I block the top heavy I can’t block the follow up side light.
Bruh. They're useless right up until you're doing something and then they're unstoppable Gank machines. That 8 damage never feels like it's just 8 damage.
Pirate's sprint attack. I think it's the one attack in the game I've never parried. Even when I see it coming and I'm ready for it, it just feels like it skips the animation to hit you.
Dodge attack is one thing. Unblockabledodge attack is another thing. Unblockable, hyperarmor dodge attack is other another thing. UNBLOCKABLE, HUPERARMOR FAINTABLE, WIFFABLE DODGE ATTACK IS THIS THING
think he means that being able to chain into shit with wiffed attacks like Pirate can. You dodge the sword? she'll follow up with the gun shot bash that btw will interrupt any attack you do.
Depends on how it goes. If you try to whiff on purpose to bait the enemy into something such as an interrupt to your hyper armor then its a good thing but accidentally whiffing with a finisher can lead to a free gb to the enemy
Plus the way the character floats to you during this, I get there’s an element of tracking to any characters sprint attack but the pirate always looks like they’re ice skating.
The kyoshin combo attack thing, I don’t understand why it’s in the game. Each bit does like 2 damage why not just make it one attack like why do I have to watch my character get sliced up for 3 seconds just for it to do like 12 damage in total
Remember when ubi said pins were unhealthy for the game and then immediately after the next 3 heroes added to the game all had pins in their kits? Pepperidge farms remembers, but so do I because it was like super recent and really sucks.
It allows him to use the heavy attack mid combo to crushing counter incoming attacks.
But it's not even easy to time properly and is still beaten by bashes and unblockables.
I'm a Kyo player and I'd rather just have the slashes be a single imput and have it quicker
True. I remember someone saying "Kyoshin begins to show acrobatic tricks, Conq and BP wear heavy armor and hide behind huge shields, and then there's Warlord. Old man squats and hides behind an adequately sized target shield for 5 seconds, then he has to get a rebreather. ".
Majority of bashes guarantee a hit and this one doesn't so it's not a big deal
The problem is that it's hard to predict if not spammed, has no reaction time and is very forgiving
fair point but it’s usually done after a light so its around 25 damage. the fact that its that fast and can kill u if u dont have enough health is one of the cheesiest things in the game.
As someone who just got their orochi to rep 8 and dumped a shit load of crates on them, it is 200% storm rush. What an absolute failure in game design.
We fought a rep 40 nobushi in brawls doing nothing but the bleed and kick combo the other day (I'm rep 10), it's basically a brainless exercise of "If you didn't dodge the kick on the first frame of its animation or block that random first light attack, goodbye half your health bar".
Dumbfounded how anyone could find that fun.
The hell you mean? Her ENTIRE KIT IS BUILT ON BLEED.
To the point one of her passives is literally "do more damage to bleeding enemies."
This would be like complaining about a hero with a shield using shield bashes.
What is the point of it if not to use it?
Kick and bleed are Nobushis entire kit.
And in higher levels even the kick does not work, so she does not have much to begin with.
Bunch of heroes lack options so they are forced to use those few things they have.
Nobu’s lights always trip me up because they’re all jabs and pokes and my mind doesn’t ever seem to process them as “right, left, top” so it feels like I always eat them. Shaman in general also makes me flail.
Orochi’s little back step light. Doesn’t matter what I do, may it be a heavy, light, unblockable, that man will still dodge it even though my weapon passes through his skull
Because they can let it fly at any time they want to. Only if the heavy is fully charged, it becomes unblockable. But it makes me mad that they have hyper armor and no GB vulnerability from the start.
That doesn’t make them less annoying to deal with
It’s just no fun being forced to feint the vast majority of the time because of one single move that counters every offensive option you have
Side dodge attacks, more specifically Tiandi's.
The timing always throws me off. I go to counter or block and I swear up and down that Im gonna parry or at least block it.....and it hits. Then its usually followed by the unblockable kick...
Can never seem to get the timing down lol
Orochi’s storm rush thing and Highlander’s dodge heavy. Orochi’s storm rush is annoying to me because I simply can’t counter it for the life of me unless the person is predictable. Highlander’s dodge heavy is sooooo braindead I’ve seen every highlander try it once and get absolutely demolished because I’m playing warmonger. Both of them (to me) just feel like such braindead moves that people just don’t know what to do in a fight and immediately go straight to these moves
Gryphons kick then top heavy, it he lands the kick then there is no stopping that blade. I can counter it because (and I've learned from my mistakes) I used to play gryphon
Most annoying is the Hitokiri instakiller. Not because it's hard to deal with, it's easy to dodge or parry, but because it reminds me when they removed Shugoki instakill hug because "there shouldn't be a move that kills you instantly" and then gave one to Hito lmao. AND its way too good against the commander in breach because he only needs to do it like 4 times and *dead*
As someone who just returned from a 3 year hiatus (played from beta til year 3) almost two weeks ago, I have to say the existence of kyoshin. As someone who doesn’t like to sit in the lab, or training or whatever it’s called, trying to learn to defend against him has been a pain, specifically the timing on his whatever side heavy, y’all gotta know the one
That bullshit Shinobi does that pins you down for several hits.
[dis]Honorable mention goes to Hitokiri's chained kick. It's seriously tricky to dodge for me.
Highlander’s top heavy soft feint into HYPER ARMOR OPPOSITE DIRECTION DODGE ATTACK. It’s not hard to counter but it gets me every single time and it’s honestly the only rage inducing thing I have when playing for honor
Hyper armor lights, the fact that you can throw something fast, uninterruptible, and harder to parry with the ability to chain them is stupid. But hey, that's just a Goobisoft Original
I know I just suck at the game but I hate charged attacks. Especially shugokis heavies. My brain just automatically tries to parry but I mess up the timing. I know it's literally just because I suck at this game but it gets me every time.
BP’s feint to bash. Not that it’s op or anything, but that it’s completely useless. Every time I use it my opponent dodges and I contemplate why I used it in the first place
Vicious impale by warmonger (the move that can be done after parrying and I believe law bringer can do a similar move). Only annoying if you are on a map with a lot of ledges and could easily lose your battle due to your opponent parrying you when you are angled in front of a ledge.
Shugoki's back breaker hug move.
Used once in awhile sure...but three times in a row or being ganked constantly with it while fighting someone else....rage!
Unpopular opinion:
-indcrebilis (don't like it the voice line sorry)
Mid opinion: tiandi
Personal grudge(s): demons embrace, neck Bite, pirate Stab hold (the attacks that take away control from one player for a substantial amount of time)
Conqueror, IT'S THE FUCKING ORANGE MAN.
and annoying: pk, i have a habit of calling them ticks bc when they see you with a low life or in a gank they don't let you go.
Raiders storming tap or medjays delayed heavies
Delayed heavy would mean that hero could change the timing, which Medjay can't, his heavies are just 1000ms so super slow. Hito and Shugoki can delay and change the timing of their heavies with charging.
them shits hit for like 32 i hate them
Actually you can delay most heavies. You’re describing charged heavies, which are different. Delayed *chain* heavies are waiting till the absolute last second to input the attack. Idk the exact numbers, but if you buffer the heavy attack, it comes out at the normal, soonest possible timing. But you can delay the input of most (not all) chained attacks to make the timing slightly later. It’s only about 200ms difference at most but it makes a difference
That what i meant
Wait they didnt remove input delay did they? Less a factor on this particular move, but i was sure theyre still in.
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Yes, but it's quite fun to use when those roach's try to run
Everyone complains about JJ but I am absolutely just become a level 1 bot when it comes to fighting Medjay. Especially now when I’m trying to play as Warmonger, I feel her speed to change block direction is slower than reflex guard so if I block the top heavy I can’t block the follow up side light.
When a minion cancels out your execution.
Bruh. They're useless right up until you're doing something and then they're unstoppable Gank machines. That 8 damage never feels like it's just 8 damage.
28 stab wounds
It's worse if you're out of stamina.
Pirate's sprint attack. I think it's the one attack in the game I've never parried. Even when I see it coming and I'm ready for it, it just feels like it skips the animation to hit you.
Dodge attack is one thing. Unblockabledodge attack is another thing. Unblockable, hyperarmor dodge attack is other another thing. UNBLOCKABLE, HUPERARMOR FAINTABLE, WIFFABLE DODGE ATTACK IS THIS THING
Stupid question, but is wiffable a good or bad thing I assumed that meant miss? Cheers
think he means that being able to chain into shit with wiffed attacks like Pirate can. You dodge the sword? she'll follow up with the gun shot bash that btw will interrupt any attack you do.
It means you can miss the attack, but still have a viable follow-up
The whiff allows some chars to flow to their next attack. In some cases its good and on other its bad really.
Depends on how it goes. If you try to whiff on purpose to bait the enemy into something such as an interrupt to your hyper armor then its a good thing but accidentally whiffing with a finisher can lead to a free gb to the enemy
Plus the way the character floats to you during this, I get there’s an element of tracking to any characters sprint attack but the pirate always looks like they’re ice skating.
JJ when he grabs me by the throat then slaps my face
But I like getting hit by that one :(
I smell da horni, begone demonspawn
Bonk
Half the reason I like playing JJ right there
Fuck damage, I could parry a light with JJ and I would still do the choke lol.
Doge heby
Dodge heby
From which hero
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Dodge heby
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DoDgE hEbY
Based transmonger
doge heby
The one that hits me. >:(
Kensei dodge attack because I get motion sickness
This used to be me bro but just practice against bots and get used to feinting and then parrying the dodge attack
I parry bait Kensei’s all the time. That doesn’t mean I parry on the correct side though lol.
I mean it's not even parrying I physically get sick because of the way the camera moves with specifically Kensei's dodge attack
Hehehe (check my flair)
Glad's toe stab. Though it's easy to dodge, they throw it when I least expect it. The animation is very fast, and they can spam it.
To be fair other than deflect it's like the only thing he can do that has guaranteed damage.
It’s a sad day when I can’t hit anything as a glad player unless it’s a toe stab or a deflect a dodging Tiandi becomes a headache to a point
The kyoshin combo attack thing, I don’t understand why it’s in the game. Each bit does like 2 damage why not just make it one attack like why do I have to watch my character get sliced up for 3 seconds just for it to do like 12 damage in total
I think you add more bleed with them after a block (if you have his passives) than with the regular double heavy.
So the scrubs on the other team can confirm 40+ dmg off of it without having to understand ganking at all.
Remember when ubi said pins were unhealthy for the game and then immediately after the next 3 heroes added to the game all had pins in their kits? Pepperidge farms remembers, but so do I because it was like super recent and really sucks.
It allows him to use the heavy attack mid combo to crushing counter incoming attacks. But it's not even easy to time properly and is still beaten by bashes and unblockables. I'm a Kyo player and I'd rather just have the slashes be a single imput and have it quicker
As a gank tool, it’s a pin like Skewer or Sickle Rain.
XD
Because it looks awesome and is a really cool, unique move with a fun special option that behaves in a very unique way (CC heavy during combo)
Kyoshins kaze stance
Ey come on I only use it every 3 seconds, cut me some slack.
For a kyoshin that's nothing
wait you use other moves?
It's really hard to fight against if your hero doesn't have a neutral bash or unblockable imo
I don't understand why it doesn't drain stamina but warlords does.
True. I remember someone saying "Kyoshin begins to show acrobatic tricks, Conq and BP wear heavy armor and hide behind huge shields, and then there's Warlord. Old man squats and hides behind an adequately sized target shield for 5 seconds, then he has to get a rebreather. ".
stormrush
It is 100% stormrush and it’s not even a debate
There is also shugoki headbutt
At least shugs headbutt is funny
i agree that headbutt shouldn’t do ten damage its ridiculous. no other bash does damage unless its a feat
Majority of bashes guarantee a hit and this one doesn't so it's not a big deal The problem is that it's hard to predict if not spammed, has no reaction time and is very forgiving
His bash doesn't guarantee damage like others do though, so the total damage is actually less since they get a light
fair point but it’s usually done after a light so its around 25 damage. the fact that its that fast and can kill u if u dont have enough health is one of the cheesiest things in the game.
It’s not guaranteed after a light. It’s still just 10 damage, whereas most bashes confirm more than that
You can dodge it after a light though
Fuscina Inctus does
Facts, while it's absolutely counterable(not a word), it's frikin frustrating
Like no lie I've gone against orochis who spam this. Not anything compared to pirates forward dodge heavy. All you gotta do is be patient with roach
As someone who just got their orochi to rep 8 and dumped a shit load of crates on them, it is 200% storm rush. What an absolute failure in game design.
The pikeman poke.
Nobushis entire kit. Just bleed and kick. Bullshit
We fought a rep 40 nobushi in brawls doing nothing but the bleed and kick combo the other day (I'm rep 10), it's basically a brainless exercise of "If you didn't dodge the kick on the first frame of its animation or block that random first light attack, goodbye half your health bar". Dumbfounded how anyone could find that fun.
As a nobushi main that person plays like a bitch but on the other hand nobushi is kinda fun to play especially if you can use her stance properly.
Hidden Stance’ing everything is a major dopamine rush.
I don’t spam bleed, but I love letting someone bleed out while I just hidden stance and dodge everything
We ❤️ nobushi
It’s also fun when they put good game and they spam emotes after you where basically stun locked to death
Did we fight the same guy lmao
Nope but I fought a lot of them that do it
There are good nobushis though, who utilize her entire kit instead of just bleed and kick, I like to think I am one of them
The hell you mean? Her ENTIRE KIT IS BUILT ON BLEED. To the point one of her passives is literally "do more damage to bleeding enemies." This would be like complaining about a hero with a shield using shield bashes. What is the point of it if not to use it?
Kick and bleed are Nobushis entire kit. And in higher levels even the kick does not work, so she does not have much to begin with. Bunch of heroes lack options so they are forced to use those few things they have.
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The top light is especially troubling for me.
Interesting, the top light normally gets parried when I throw it
Glad dodge bash. To me it's the quintessential example of something that's annoying but not super strong.
As someone who has chained dodge bash into dodge bash about 8 times in a row on a single guy... he was probably throwing his controller
Lights on console
Lights on old gen is fucking pain
My experience since beta.
I feel you it takes literally all the focus I have to block lights playing on ps4
But that does contribute to us being better players than any of the privileged comp/ next gen players and idgaf what anyone says 🤣
Yep we have to read everything
I feel it though
Pirate
Didn't even bother with a specific move. And you know what? ...I agree
Nobu’s lights always trip me up because they’re all jabs and pokes and my mind doesn’t ever seem to process them as “right, left, top” so it feels like I always eat them. Shaman in general also makes me flail.
Orochi’s little back step light. Doesn’t matter what I do, may it be a heavy, light, unblockable, that man will still dodge it even though my weapon passes through his skull
This exact reason is why I hate Nobushi's hidden stance. I've seen my weapon pass right through them and all they did was take a single step backwards
Pirate unblockable doge
Pirate
Thank you
HL. I will eat his lights for days.
Highlanders hyper armor heavies make me wanna yeet my controller, and I mostly play bots.
Hitokiri's charged attack. I swear I can't never get the timing for it.
Because they can let it fly at any time they want to. Only if the heavy is fully charged, it becomes unblockable. But it makes me mad that they have hyper armor and no GB vulnerability from the start.
NATURE'S WRATH
Im having PTSD just hearing it's name
Bro it’s literally unfeintable and no hyperarmor it’s a guaranteed parry every time
It's OP af
Ohh i get it now lol ur right it is
Pirate's guaranteed chain bash gets my blood boiling.
Every dodge attack
Every dodge attack is a guaranteed parry tho. Except Tiandi. They can’t be feinted. Just read your enemy and you will be fine.
That doesn’t make them less annoying to deal with It’s just no fun being forced to feint the vast majority of the time because of one single move that counters every offensive option you have
saying "just read your enemy" is like telling a homeless person to just get a house
Not really. It’s much easier to see a attack. Then get the money for a house as a homeless person
No it isn't lmao
nobu lights.
Side dodge attacks, more specifically Tiandi's. The timing always throws me off. I go to counter or block and I swear up and down that Im gonna parry or at least block it.....and it hits. Then its usually followed by the unblockable kick... Can never seem to get the timing down lol
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Honestly, I’ll probably start screaming in confusion then run as far as my legs will carry me
Shaolins three tap pisses me off. So do his damn voice lines
Oaoaoao sho sho shi ba!
ami vua vua
aNiBoBo
Fucking nobushi
True
If you cant react to 500ms that is
Orochi’s storm rush thing and Highlander’s dodge heavy. Orochi’s storm rush is annoying to me because I simply can’t counter it for the life of me unless the person is predictable. Highlander’s dodge heavy is sooooo braindead I’ve seen every highlander try it once and get absolutely demolished because I’m playing warmonger. Both of them (to me) just feel like such braindead moves that people just don’t know what to do in a fight and immediately go straight to these moves
If you genuinely want some help with stormrush you can light the orochi out of it if they do the confirmed light.
Storm rush is a nightmare is a Shinobi is around too. So fucking irritating cause then you literally can't do anything.
Jormungandr
HL design. I find it complicated to learn.
Hito leg sweep high lander kick or grab throw pirate forward dodge attack
Lawbringer impale fuck displacement moves
all of shinobi’s moveset
DDOS attacks
Pirate.
the only good comment
The whole pirate's moveset
Gryphons kick then top heavy, it he lands the kick then there is no stopping that blade. I can counter it because (and I've learned from my mistakes) I used to play gryphon
What's the timing for dodging it? Usually my guy is still recovering from hitstun on the gryphon's second attack
Most annoying is the Hitokiri instakiller. Not because it's hard to deal with, it's easy to dodge or parry, but because it reminds me when they removed Shugoki instakill hug because "there shouldn't be a move that kills you instantly" and then gave one to Hito lmao. AND its way too good against the commander in breach because he only needs to do it like 4 times and *dead*
Conq full block. Especially since after the rework you can throw a bash and still fullblock the dodge attack and go into the orange BS
Guardbreak him. You can almost always get a GB if you dodge Conq's bash, especially if you're dodging on read.
Jj's very existence is a curse on this game
Pirate dodge forward heavy spam. So fucked.
Monk or pirate can suck my nuts, all their attacks are annoying
Raider softfeint to top light
Anything highlander does in his stance
Poke poke poke
Probably Nobu’s poke poke poke But truly any throwing feat, it’s so infuriating to be killed by something thrown at you offscreen
As someone who just returned from a 3 year hiatus (played from beta til year 3) almost two weeks ago, I have to say the existence of kyoshin. As someone who doesn’t like to sit in the lab, or training or whatever it’s called, trying to learn to defend against him has been a pain, specifically the timing on his whatever side heavy, y’all gotta know the one
That bullshit Shinobi does that pins you down for several hits. [dis]Honorable mention goes to Hitokiri's chained kick. It's seriously tricky to dodge for me.
Goddamn tiandi dodge attack. MF dances halfway around the map and your telling me that I can't just stab him mid ballet?
Highlander’s top heavy soft feint into HYPER ARMOR OPPOSITE DIRECTION DODGE ATTACK. It’s not hard to counter but it gets me every single time and it’s honestly the only rage inducing thing I have when playing for honor
Pk's kidney impaler
Pirate’s little gun counter thing chain thing. I actually just hate pirate
Hyper armor lights, the fact that you can throw something fast, uninterruptible, and harder to parry with the ability to chain them is stupid. But hey, that's just a Goobisoft Original
Pirates entire kit tbh
Pirate☕
Dodge attacks that track are the dumbest things
Nobushi's light jab because it feels like their is no react time to counter with a block, parry or counter move
Gryphons kick. Skill issue on my part but it’s lethal and so effective in ganks
I know I just suck at the game but I hate charged attacks. Especially shugokis heavies. My brain just automatically tries to parry but I mess up the timing. I know it's literally just because I suck at this game but it gets me every time.
BP’s feint to bash. Not that it’s op or anything, but that it’s completely useless. Every time I use it my opponent dodges and I contemplate why I used it in the first place
storm rush, raider top light, kensei dodge attack, kaze stance attacks...
o r o c h i
Kensei. That left light. Or heavy. Whatever it is. Mainly paired with Them constantly fucking dodging.
Hito’s final feat
Nobushi nothing else just nobushi
Berserker’s lunge. Thing should NOT track that much.
Vicious impale by warmonger (the move that can be done after parrying and I believe law bringer can do a similar move). Only annoying if you are on a map with a lot of ledges and could easily lose your battle due to your opponent parrying you when you are angled in front of a ledge.
Shugoki's back breaker hug move. Used once in awhile sure...but three times in a row or being ganked constantly with it while fighting someone else....rage!
Monks stupid fucking sweep it just screams “have fun making 3 reads dipshit”
Nobu lights, toe stab und Pirat front dodge, all attacks either to strong or too fast
Unpopular opinion: -indcrebilis (don't like it the voice line sorry) Mid opinion: tiandi Personal grudge(s): demons embrace, neck Bite, pirate Stab hold (the attacks that take away control from one player for a substantial amount of time)
Orochis entire kit
Orochi’s Riptide strike. Especially if they delay it
HL and kensai’s dodge attacks. Yes easy to counter but it’s so Boring
orochi's kick i can avoid it just fine its just that its spammed so much and so often is what makes me hate it
Highlanders Forward dodge heavy that csn switch to left or right. I hate It. I hope it gets nerfed or Erased.
It's hella parryable tho, its lockin time is really early compared to similar moves
Bro playing shinobi and complains about HL, just bruh.
Conqueror, IT'S THE FUCKING ORANGE MAN. and annoying: pk, i have a habit of calling them ticks bc when they see you with a low life or in a gank they don't let you go.
Does Jorm's entire existence count?
Dodge heavy on highlander