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> he’s had more wins from outside of pole
That's the nature of having the 2nd or 3rd best car. A win is possible with maybe a little luck or strategy but poles are going to be way more difficult. It was the same for Verstappen before 2021. Very few poles, but a decent number of wins.
The difference is that RB was operating at a very high level even when the car was not quite up to par so they would often capitalise on any opportunities that came to them.
While Ferrari created a very good car over a lap but then capitalise on any opportunity to lose.
Ricciardo’s peak was during Ham-Ros years where they would take that Merc dominant car to pole almost every race (2014-16). After that, Seb/Ferrari would be pretty quick along with Ham/Merc in 2017-18.
Also Ricciardo’s strength was always more in race pace and racecraft than single lap pace and he started getting beaten by Max right from his second year in 2017.
The game of "if": yeah Ricciardo would have win Monaco 2016 if not for the slow stop (I also think the stewards should have given a penalty to Hamilton in that near contact) but the if game also gave Danny 6 out of his 8 wins:
1) if Red Bull didn't botch Vettel strategy, Seb would have won in Canada 2014 (also: if Mercedes didn't have reliability issues, they would have dominated Canada 2014);
2) if Hamilton didn't have reliability issues in Hungary Q1 or if the SC was not deployed early in the race (RIC was 4th or more before that, quite behind Rosberg, Alonso and Vettel) or if Rosberg didn't have brake issues, Mercedes would have dominated Hungary 2014 also;
3) if Rosberg didn't hit Hamilton (or just if Hamilton's tyre didn't have a puncture), they would have also dominated Belgium 2014;
4) if Hamilton's engine didn't explode and Vettel didn't hit Nico in turn 1, Mercedes would have dominated Malaysia 2016;
5) if mayhem didn't happen, Mercedes and Ferrari would have ended 1-2-3-4 in Baku 2017;
6) if the SC didn't come out in the best possible moment for the 2 Red Bulls, Bottas and Vettel would have easily ended 1-2 in China 2018 (with Max 5th & Ricciardo 6th)
Pretty much any previous era? The further you get, the more it usually closes up. Nobody has ever been this dominant for many years. They might have won many years, but I don't think any team has ever been straight up unchallenged for more than 3 years
There’s literally no data points that support this, 2013 was nowhere near as as close as 2021, the years before ‘09 always had relatively small gaps between cars anyway (save for ‘00-‘04)
In the recent past, the unchallenged dominant streaks have been 2002, 2004, 2011, the second half of 2013, 2014-2016, 2019-2020. Second half of 2022-present. The longest one is 3 years. This is no guarantee, but it does show that usually, dominance resolves itself quite fast. RB might still win 2025, but I expect it will not be the landslide that this year is. At worst, it will be like 2013, 2017 or 2018 with a very close first half, and a runaway second half
If they do 22 races each year for the next 3 years plus the 11(?) Remaining this year that would be 77 more possible poles and wins. Then he would be at 99/104 wins/poles which is 95.2%. So in theory that's possible! But he can't win *every* race...
Edit: There are 10 races left this season. But then he could still make it to 95%+
Seeing all these respectable 22 - 45 - 32 etc, and then seeing Lewis with 104 and 103 is massive. I'm sure Max has the skill, but holy hell Mercedes was consistent as fuck and Lewis drove that car like an absolute animal. If RB can keep this up, it'd be interesting to see how far Max can take these stats
It's drivers with at least one of each. Magnussen & Stroll both have a pole (it was in a Sprint weekend for Magnussen and he started the race in 8th), but neither have a win. Gasly & Ocon have a win each, but no poles.
Controversially, I'd say his best year was better than Hamilton's best year.
Give him a car equal to mercedes in 2014 and I think he wins that season.
The only driver I can personally say with confidence had a better peak than Danny's 2014 season would be Max.
It really isn't. For context, Verstappen has the record for the highest pole to win ratio (excluding drivers who won from their only pole) by an absolute mile. P2 are Fittipaldi, Scheckter and Brooks at a ratio of 2/3
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Kinda wild that Ricciardo has only won once from pole, I thought he had more
Well he’s only had 3 poles - he’s had more wins from outside of pole which kinda sizes up well for me looking at his best years.
> he’s had more wins from outside of pole That's the nature of having the 2nd or 3rd best car. A win is possible with maybe a little luck or strategy but poles are going to be way more difficult. It was the same for Verstappen before 2021. Very few poles, but a decent number of wins.
Would you like to say that to Charles
The difference is that RB was operating at a very high level even when the car was not quite up to par so they would often capitalise on any opportunities that came to them. While Ferrari created a very good car over a lap but then capitalise on any opportunity to lose.
Charles is one of the most talented drivers it’s almost criminal that he only has five wins.
Ricciardo’s peak was during Ham-Ros years where they would take that Merc dominant car to pole almost every race (2014-16). After that, Seb/Ferrari would be pretty quick along with Ham/Merc in 2017-18. Also Ricciardo’s strength was always more in race pace and racecraft than single lap pace and he started getting beaten by Max right from his second year in 2017.
Should’ve been two if RB hasn’t botched the pit stop at Monaco in 2016
The game of "if": yeah Ricciardo would have win Monaco 2016 if not for the slow stop (I also think the stewards should have given a penalty to Hamilton in that near contact) but the if game also gave Danny 6 out of his 8 wins: 1) if Red Bull didn't botch Vettel strategy, Seb would have won in Canada 2014 (also: if Mercedes didn't have reliability issues, they would have dominated Canada 2014); 2) if Hamilton didn't have reliability issues in Hungary Q1 or if the SC was not deployed early in the race (RIC was 4th or more before that, quite behind Rosberg, Alonso and Vettel) or if Rosberg didn't have brake issues, Mercedes would have dominated Hungary 2014 also; 3) if Rosberg didn't hit Hamilton (or just if Hamilton's tyre didn't have a puncture), they would have also dominated Belgium 2014; 4) if Hamilton's engine didn't explode and Vettel didn't hit Nico in turn 1, Mercedes would have dominated Malaysia 2016; 5) if mayhem didn't happen, Mercedes and Ferrari would have ended 1-2-3-4 in Baku 2017; 6) if the SC didn't come out in the best possible moment for the 2 Red Bulls, Bottas and Vettel would have easily ended 1-2 in China 2018 (with Max 5th & Ricciardo 6th)
sad sharl legchair noises
Last year Max was committed to ruining that stat for him
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yeah, having 20 poles and only 5 wins from them
4. One win is not from pole.
Better than having none i supposed.
Oof
Verstappen has 8 wins from leclerc poles. leclerc 4, perez 4, hamilton 3 and vettel 1
Which means Max's conversion rate from Charles' poles (8/20, 40%) would rank as the 4th highest conversion rate.
Pérez has the same conversion rate of wins from Leclerc’s poles as Charles himself. That’s such a ridiculous stat.
Verstappen's is quite ridiculous
With over 50 races until the end of these regulations, just imagine how even more ridiculous it's going to get.
I mean the last stat could go either way as it's a %
The pole/win ratio can also go either way.
Ehh 25 is likely to be highly contested.
By 25 half the teams will be working on the 26 car like Ferrari did in 21
Based on? Red Bull still has a huge lead despite the lower wind tunnel time
Pretty much any previous era? The further you get, the more it usually closes up. Nobody has ever been this dominant for many years. They might have won many years, but I don't think any team has ever been straight up unchallenged for more than 3 years
There’s literally no data points that support this, 2013 was nowhere near as as close as 2021, the years before ‘09 always had relatively small gaps between cars anyway (save for ‘00-‘04)
In the recent past, the unchallenged dominant streaks have been 2002, 2004, 2011, the second half of 2013, 2014-2016, 2019-2020. Second half of 2022-present. The longest one is 3 years. This is no guarantee, but it does show that usually, dominance resolves itself quite fast. RB might still win 2025, but I expect it will not be the landslide that this year is. At worst, it will be like 2013, 2017 or 2018 with a very close first half, and a runaway second half
Codemasters need to nerf this guy, he’s too OP
I mean if you keep in mind that Max's strength has never been qualifying, but maximising race results then it makes total sense.
just wait 3 more years, would be in the 95s
If they do 22 races each year for the next 3 years plus the 11(?) Remaining this year that would be 77 more possible poles and wins. Then he would be at 99/104 wins/poles which is 95.2%. So in theory that's possible! But he can't win *every* race... Edit: There are 10 races left this season. But then he could still make it to 95%+
*monkey’s paw curls*
What having Perez as a teammate does to you
Oh Charles
Press F for my boy. Y’all know who I’m talking about.
I’m too lazy to go through the stats, but I’m pretty sure Verstappen has converted more of Leclerc’s poles to wins than Leclerc has.
Dude, why'd you have to do poor Chuck like that?
Lol. I’ll look this up later if I have time. Could be a fun chart: Drivers whose poles have turned into Ver/Ham wins
I think I saw somewhere Perez converted Charles’ pole to win as much as Charles himself.
It’s only mentioned in every single comment section
Bro….
I hope Lewis evens out that ratio because the 0.99 is bugging me lol
It used to be 1.0 for a long time before his recent pole haha.
Ocon has ♾️ win to pole ratio.
And Gasly
Equal the amount of poles yet half the amount of wins as Bottas FeelsStrongMan my Charles
How about max on Lec his pole’s?
It's way better than chuck himself
Fun fact. Perez has more wins from Charles Poles than Charles does.
Perez and Leclerc both has 4
Well, careers aren't over...
Russell better win Pole ratio than hamilton. Now we know the number 1 driver at Mercedes.
If Nando gets 4 more poles, and turns them into wins, he will have a 69% win-from-pole ratio.
Nice
Seeing all these respectable 22 - 45 - 32 etc, and then seeing Lewis with 104 and 103 is massive. I'm sure Max has the skill, but holy hell Mercedes was consistent as fuck and Lewis drove that car like an absolute animal. If RB can keep this up, it'd be interesting to see how far Max can take these stats
Whenever I see any 'win-to-pole' stats, I immediately start looking for Leclerc in the table. It's absolutely hilarious.
Ricciardo, Perez and Sainz (all past and present teammates) sitting on a clean #33%? *Conspiracy.*
Leclerc soon overtaking Fernando in number of poles is wild to me.
Shouldn't Magnusson be included?
Magnussen never won a race
Press F
It's drivers with at least one of each. Magnussen & Stroll both have a pole (it was in a Sprint weekend for Magnussen and he started the race in 8th), but neither have a win. Gasly & Ocon have a win each, but no poles.
Sprint pole
Now do a chart with everyone's wins converted from Leclerc's poles.
LeClerc’s numbers are appalling
Sooooo. Ricciardo 4th best driver on grid? :)
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Controversially, I'd say his best year was better than Hamilton's best year. Give him a car equal to mercedes in 2014 and I think he wins that season. The only driver I can personally say with confidence had a better peak than Danny's 2014 season would be Max.
not sure why, but the pole conversion ratio for both Lewis and Alonso feels very low.
It really isn't. For context, Verstappen has the record for the highest pole to win ratio (excluding drivers who won from their only pole) by an absolute mile. P2 are Fittipaldi, Scheckter and Brooks at a ratio of 2/3
Damn remember how Alonso said Lewis only knows how to win if he’s leading Lmao so true