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Apprehensive_Ad6

Kinda wild that Ricciardo has only won once from pole, I thought he had more


storme9

Well he’s only had 3 poles - he’s had more wins from outside of pole which kinda sizes up well for me looking at his best years.


RM_Dune

> he’s had more wins from outside of pole That's the nature of having the 2nd or 3rd best car. A win is possible with maybe a little luck or strategy but poles are going to be way more difficult. It was the same for Verstappen before 2021. Very few poles, but a decent number of wins.


KATsordogs

Would you like to say that to Charles


RM_Dune

The difference is that RB was operating at a very high level even when the car was not quite up to par so they would often capitalise on any opportunities that came to them. While Ferrari created a very good car over a lap but then capitalise on any opportunity to lose.


Merengues_1945

Charles is one of the most talented drivers it’s almost criminal that he only has five wins.


Alvortus1812

Ricciardo’s peak was during Ham-Ros years where they would take that Merc dominant car to pole almost every race (2014-16). After that, Seb/Ferrari would be pretty quick along with Ham/Merc in 2017-18. Also Ricciardo’s strength was always more in race pace and racecraft than single lap pace and he started getting beaten by Max right from his second year in 2017.


ThatDonkeyLooksCold

Should’ve been two if RB hasn’t botched the pit stop at Monaco in 2016


mrk-cj94

The game of "if": yeah Ricciardo would have win Monaco 2016 if not for the slow stop (I also think the stewards should have given a penalty to Hamilton in that near contact) but the if game also gave Danny 6 out of his 8 wins: 1) if Red Bull didn't botch Vettel strategy, Seb would have won in Canada 2014 (also: if Mercedes didn't have reliability issues, they would have dominated Canada 2014); 2) if Hamilton didn't have reliability issues in Hungary Q1 or if the SC was not deployed early in the race (RIC was 4th or more before that, quite behind Rosberg, Alonso and Vettel) or if Rosberg didn't have brake issues, Mercedes would have dominated Hungary 2014 also; 3) if Rosberg didn't hit Hamilton (or just if Hamilton's tyre didn't have a puncture), they would have also dominated Belgium 2014; 4) if Hamilton's engine didn't explode and Vettel didn't hit Nico in turn 1, Mercedes would have dominated Malaysia 2016; 5) if mayhem didn't happen, Mercedes and Ferrari would have ended 1-2-3-4 in Baku 2017; 6) if the SC didn't come out in the best possible moment for the 2 Red Bulls, Bottas and Vettel would have easily ended 1-2 in China 2018 (with Max 5th & Ricciardo 6th)


Tushhh

sad sharl legchair noises


TheOneTrueJazzMan

Last year Max was committed to ruining that stat for him


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cartmanbigboned

yeah, having 20 poles and only 5 wins from them


mooscimol

4. One win is not from pole.


alfiejr23

Better than having none i supposed.


ThatDonkeyLooksCold

Oof


Voskopf

Verstappen has 8 wins from leclerc poles. leclerc 4, perez 4, hamilton 3 and vettel 1


elmagio

Which means Max's conversion rate from Charles' poles (8/20, 40%) would rank as the 4th highest conversion rate.


Merengues_1945

Pérez has the same conversion rate of wins from Leclerc’s poles as Charles himself. That’s such a ridiculous stat.


mformularacer

Verstappen's is quite ridiculous


RallerZZ

With over 50 races until the end of these regulations, just imagine how even more ridiculous it's going to get.


Supahos01

I mean the last stat could go either way as it's a %


MarsLumograph

The pole/win ratio can also go either way.


Unculturedbrine

Ehh 25 is likely to be highly contested.


Ohiowolverine

By 25 half the teams will be working on the 26 car like Ferrari did in 21


Metamonkeys

Based on? Red Bull still has a huge lead despite the lower wind tunnel time


CakeBeef_PA

Pretty much any previous era? The further you get, the more it usually closes up. Nobody has ever been this dominant for many years. They might have won many years, but I don't think any team has ever been straight up unchallenged for more than 3 years


261846

There’s literally no data points that support this, 2013 was nowhere near as as close as 2021, the years before ‘09 always had relatively small gaps between cars anyway (save for ‘00-‘04)


CakeBeef_PA

In the recent past, the unchallenged dominant streaks have been 2002, 2004, 2011, the second half of 2013, 2014-2016, 2019-2020. Second half of 2022-present. The longest one is 3 years. This is no guarantee, but it does show that usually, dominance resolves itself quite fast. RB might still win 2025, but I expect it will not be the landslide that this year is. At worst, it will be like 2013, 2017 or 2018 with a very close first half, and a runaway second half


Haris_Pistons

Codemasters need to nerf this guy, he’s too OP


TheKingOfCaledonia

I mean if you keep in mind that Max's strength has never been qualifying, but maximising race results then it makes total sense.


Manberry12

just wait 3 more years, would be in the 95s


tccb1833

If they do 22 races each year for the next 3 years plus the 11(?) Remaining this year that would be 77 more possible poles and wins. Then he would be at 99/104 wins/poles which is 95.2%. So in theory that's possible! But he can't win *every* race... Edit: There are 10 races left this season. But then he could still make it to 95%+


AhoyLadiesSteve

*monkey’s paw curls*


fintech1

What having Perez as a teammate does to you


Season01um

Oh Charles


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Press F for my boy. Y’all know who I’m talking about.


GhanimaAtreides

I’m too lazy to go through the stats, but I’m pretty sure Verstappen has converted more of Leclerc’s poles to wins than Leclerc has.


BuzzedtheTower

Dude, why'd you have to do poor Chuck like that?


ThatDonkeyLooksCold

Lol. I’ll look this up later if I have time. Could be a fun chart: Drivers whose poles have turned into Ver/Ham wins


ryokevry

I think I saw somewhere Perez converted Charles’ pole to win as much as Charles himself.


Ogot57

It’s only mentioned in every single comment section


Atomic_xd

Bro….


some-swimming-dude

I hope Lewis evens out that ratio because the 0.99 is bugging me lol


ocbdare

It used to be 1.0 for a long time before his recent pole haha.


EpicFailin4K3D

Ocon has ♾️ win to pole ratio.


ThatDonkeyLooksCold

And Gasly


Dramatic-Ad3928

Equal the amount of poles yet half the amount of wins as Bottas FeelsStrongMan my Charles


basvn

How about max on Lec his pole’s?


Supahos01

It's way better than chuck himself


sonofeevil

Fun fact. Perez has more wins from Charles Poles than Charles does.


Lenxor

Perez and Leclerc both has 4


III00Z102BO

Well, careers aren't over...


Public_Seaworthiness

Russell better win Pole ratio than hamilton. Now we know the number 1 driver at Mercedes.


MayorAg

If Nando gets 4 more poles, and turns them into wins, he will have a 69% win-from-pole ratio.


ThatDonkeyLooksCold

Nice


Maluvius

Seeing all these respectable 22 - 45 - 32 etc, and then seeing Lewis with 104 and 103 is massive. I'm sure Max has the skill, but holy hell Mercedes was consistent as fuck and Lewis drove that car like an absolute animal. If RB can keep this up, it'd be interesting to see how far Max can take these stats


gloomindoomin

Whenever I see any 'win-to-pole' stats, I immediately start looking for Leclerc in the table. It's absolutely hilarious.


ColonelClimax

Ricciardo, Perez and Sainz (all past and present teammates) sitting on a clean #33%? *Conspiracy.*


Akash10201

Leclerc soon overtaking Fernando in number of poles is wild to me.


theSurpuppa

Shouldn't Magnusson be included?


WhispersOfOxenfurt

Magnussen never won a race


f1careerover

Press F


Astelli

It's drivers with at least one of each. Magnussen & Stroll both have a pole (it was in a Sprint weekend for Magnussen and he started the race in 8th), but neither have a win. Gasly & Ocon have a win each, but no poles.


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Sprint pole


Pressbtofail

Now do a chart with everyone's wins converted from Leclerc's poles.


Tysons_Face

LeClerc’s numbers are appalling


Emotional-Reserve-66

Sooooo. Ricciardo 4th best driver on grid? :)


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sonofeevil

Controversially, I'd say his best year was better than Hamilton's best year. Give him a car equal to mercedes in 2014 and I think he wins that season. The only driver I can personally say with confidence had a better peak than Danny's 2014 season would be Max.


tropical_waterfall

not sure why, but the pole conversion ratio for both Lewis and Alonso feels very low.


DieLegende42

It really isn't. For context, Verstappen has the record for the highest pole to win ratio (excluding drivers who won from their only pole) by an absolute mile. P2 are Fittipaldi, Scheckter and Brooks at a ratio of 2/3


_Stealth_

Damn remember how Alonso said Lewis only knows how to win if he’s leading Lmao so true