Great clean drive for him. ~~Might end up being bumped to P8 too with Perez penalties.~~
Edit: Didn't realise he actually ended up 11 seconds back - thought it was much closer but he must've let off a lot once Perez got past.
Something that he has done so much better than Nyck is clean racing. DEV had a ton of incidents and he had the luxury or pre season, Liam got thrown into a rainy Zandvoort, and Singapore in his first bunch of races and he has managed to race well and don't crash the car.
I know Williams is investing a lot on Sargeant, and as a rookie he shouldn't be held to unreasonably high standards. But with both rookies performing better than him, it paints a bad light.
I think it was fine to give him more time and do not exert pressure until now but I think he has to show something now. He started similar to Mick, maybe crashing less. Mick started to show good performances after the summer break. Sargeant needs to do that too at the bare minimum.
Hugo Boss, the likely new name for AlphaTauri will want Ric in the seat because he brings the media attention and Drive to Survive. I think Yuki will be out.
Would be a real shame if this is true, Yuki is having his best season and Riccardo is coming off his worse.
I don't think it will be the last we see of him in F1, and might be a good thing for him. Albon took a year off and looks so much better now.
> It's now going to be Yuki vs Ric
Ric is a marketing machine and probably has at least the same speed as Yuki, so its really not a question IMO
But lets see how well does Ric do when he comes back.
Yuki has done more then enough to deserve his seat over ric. Yuki has had some incredibly bad luck this year. Ric didn’t do anything special in the races he did do, and then crashed out and injured himself.
Williams' Red Bull refuge speaking, how may I help you?
Seriously though, I suspect Alex knows Yuki very well after the year he spent coaching him while he himself didn't have a drive. So if he thinks it could work at Williams I'm sure he'll put in a good word.
Best take. Happy for Liam but I'm not convinced he's faster than Yuki. All these casuals calling for Yuki to be sacked when Red Bull literally screwed him all weekend lol.
This exactly. Yuki was faster all weekend. He was faster in Q1 on a cooler track, and he was on pace to get a faster lap Q2 twice.
He's had so much bad luck all season. He still gets too easily frustrated though.
ric was still pretty quick, i don’t think at yuki’s level but also horner fucking adores him. I wish people would see how unlucky Yuki has been all year but standings look fucking horrid rn
He's been unlucky but also hasn't been particularly fast against Ric or Lawson and gets himself into bad positions - it's not a coincidence it's nearly always Yuki and I like and would miss Yuki
Didn't wanna include Zandvoort since technically he did get a penalty, although I'm like 80% sure there's some sort of stewards agenda against Yuki. After this race tho it's more of 99%
A bs penalty, never before have I seen a penalty for that, not to mention contact wouldn't have happened if he wasn't forced to skate on those old tyres. And penalty or not he was out of the points because of the strategy.
i mean he has been though, even this weekend he was super fucking quick, it’s not his fault like last weekend his engine blew out or this weekend perez cannot drive or in monaco where the brakes went or in barcelona where the stewards gave him a bogus 5s penalty, i could go on and on this year
They always seem to manage him into the ground. Like he'll be in 7th and everyone will box but him and then he gets passed by 8 cars in the last 5 laps.
We all thought Yuki was out performing the car first half of the season. In reality you have a rookie and someone or sat out half a season jumping into a car and being on pace. I know Yuki has been unlucky but he’s the one under pressure.
don't know about that, from the short time yuki had against danny i would give the nod to daniel, with how much better yuki is supposed to know the car his showing was quite bad. also compared to lawson, who has never driven a race in an f1 car before the netherlands, i would say it looks quite bad for yuki
He was faster than Yuki literally first race in the AT, and Marko and Horner said without the contact from Zhou at the start would have been in the points.
It shouldn't be. Yuki had more pace this weekend again.
Ditching Yuki at this point is, it's De Vries all over again. He also looked good when his team mate wasn't involved.
They'll both be in next season most likely. Yuki's had three years with this team and has been immediately matched by two guys stepping in in the middle of the season, that's not the type of performance RB usually appreciates.
I think (or maybe hope) we could see Ricciardo and Lawson at AlphaTauri next year, while Tsunoda goes to Williams.
Ricciardo or Lawson may then go up to Red Bull to replace Perez in 2025.
Imagine being Sargeant and being behind in the standings in a better car to a driver that has had 3 races. I like having an American in the sport, but Lawson has shown Sargeant is not good enough.
Regardless of lawson I dont see why anyone would think any different about logan. He's been so far off albon it's far worse than alonso vandoorne ever was.
They were teammates in F2. Lawson beat him eventually, but my recollection is that Logan was the better qualifier and Liam only overtook him in the standings in the last race weekend.
You're correct, Lawson's best performances were mostly in the reverse-grid sprint races whilst Sargeant generally had the upper hand (especially impressive given he was a rookie and Lawson wasn't). Lawson has clearly adapted better to F1 though.
Lawson has also had the benefit of running in SuperFormula before he joined in F1. The competition in Super Formula isn’t something to brush off. He would have grown there a load.
That and he was given a much better alphatauri to work with. Post upgrades the car seems to be closer to the points places.
Weird to say that Lawson has the benefit of Super Formula when Sargeant was in F1 during that time, which should help you even more to adapt to F1 cars.
I don’t think Super Formula has anything to do with it. Lawson is just better than his F2 career would lead you to believe. He should have won DTM as well, but that was stolen from him. Lawson is solid talent.
I saw someone do the counter factual where all 'bad luck' was removed from F2 2022, and Lawson finished....second to Drugovich, but well ahead of Pourchaire, Sargeant, etc.
I think you're right, his last F2 season didn't really show his true talent, and his DTM season, in which he dominated Albon, really showed how well he can adapt.
What he lacks in single lap quali pace he makes up for with superb attacking and defending skills and overall racecraft.
If he hadn't tried to make that pass for the lead against his teammate, Nojiri, at Motegi, then he probably would have been leading the SF championship as well.
Perez hit Albon AND Yuki.
Until he punted Albon out of the way, Checo was REALLY close to getting beaten by every single current and former RedBull driver: Albon, Tsunoda, Verstappen, Sainz, and Lawson. With a couple laps to go, that's what seemed to be happening.
If he hadn't hit Albon, there's a good chance he wouldn't have gotten past him at all. (and therefor stayed behind Lawson too)
I think Red Bull should let Yuki go to Williams. He knows Alex very well after that year they spent with Alex coaching him, and let's face it Yuki is stuck at Alpha Tauri. Give the AT seats to Lawson and Ricciardo and let them duke it out to go up to RB in 2025.
Especially if the rumor has any merit that Yuki might be courted by Aston Martin Honda in 2026. It lets RB keep the talent they will want to cultivate long-term. Perez will likely be out at the end of his contract if Lawson or Ricciardo do well, and it'll give them a free seat at AT for an upcoming rookie.
Exactly, the deal they gave Albon which was basically a loan to Williams for a year could be repeated, with the thinking that Aston Martin might have a spare seat in 2025 or 2026 once Fernando retires again and/or Stroll gets bored and goes to play tennis.
They'll surely want at least one of Iwasa or Hauger or Fittipaldi in an AT seat in 2025 once Lawson or Ricciardo get called up for Perez's seat.
Yeah, Vowles won't give Sargeant a second chance after this one. He didn't even manage to keep the car in one piece while Lawson goes ahead and does this.
I feel for rookies these days. The expectation to deliver is way higher with only a fraction of the seat time. I feel for Vowels too. He seems legitimately invested in Sargeant even though he’s Capitol’s driver.
Part of me hopes for a second season on account of what I said about seat time, but he’s way under performing I think even for an inexperienced rookie. Lawson has a lot more experience overall compared to Sargent, but Sargent has more time in F1 so it still looks bad. The kid needs to pick it up or he’s cooked for sure.
We're not there yet, but if F1 gets to the ridiculous level of the NBA stats the broadcasters and media are bringing up, we're down the shitter.
"Lebron James is the only player to score 20 of his 32 points in the 2nd half of a game after the All-star break while wearing his own signature shoe, revised, with white shoe laces."
He’s a stud
You can say “oh he’s just gonna be NDV all over again” but imo it’s different, a lot different
Lawson has Yuki as his teammate who is a lot better than Latifi
Monza was Williams’ best chance for points by a mile last year when you looked at the calendar
Lawson has had 3 races and raced well at all 3. The first race being as tough of a scenario as you can imagine and Singapore hasn’t had a maiden points scorer ever
He’s impressive as fuck
He hasn’t put a single foot wrong outside of his very first practice session in terrible weather conditions at Zandvort. And that was after he had less than 24 hours notice to be in the car.
Since then he’s been flawless. Very impressed.
Completely agree, but small correction, He had a spin (and recovered) in one of Friday's FP sessions.
But yeah, Liam has been very impressive, only 2 spins in his first few outings and *most importantly* managing to keep them from becoming session ending and no adverse consequences (like poor qualifying) as a result. Simply amazing in my opinion - especially when far more experienced drivers have spun or gone out at similar points (both here and Zandvort - Zhou went off & beached at roughly the same place for instance). Yeah that's showing some drive.
Yup. And don‘t forget, his first race was Zandvoort without any proper preparation, with changeable conditions in both quali and the race and he didn‘t crash, didn’t put a foot wrong and just did what he could. Guy‘s the real deal.
Dude spun once and even then managed to keep it out the barriers at Zandvoort. Dude's a machine. If he doesn't get a spot next year that's just the system being super rigged. Red Bull surely sees his potential now
If Checo hadn't punted off Albon, it would have taken a lot longer to pass him. Albon was behind Lawson.
Checo didn't pass Lawson until lap 61/62.
If Checo had kept it clean, it's pretty much certain that Lawson would have beaten Checo in his THIRD race for AlphaTauri. He'd have beaten the fastest car with the slowest.
Sure, some caveats apply to that, but, still, they'd have to cage up Helmut to stop him from firing Checo over the radio, lol
He was almost beaten by every other current/former redbull driver.
Sainz, Gasley, Verstappen all finished ahead
He took out Tsunoda and punted Albon.
Only one of them was in a car that was possibly faster (Sainz).
Meanwhile I've seen people arguing that they won't drop Checo next year. He's doing worse than Gasley did, and Helmut seems very much done with him.
Gasley had to genuinely fight in the midpack because the car wasn't that fast. Checo has to do a recovery run from 17th to 7th every race, in one of the most dominant cars ever built. Max wins ten races in a row, and Checo only makes q3 9 times the whole season.
RedBull now have 3 drivers in AlphaTauri fighting for that seat, and all three look more promising than checo right now.
The only reason I don't think they'll replace him mid-season is that we're so far in. Even then, I can imagine them doing it to solve the 3-driver-problem at AlphaTauri. (watch them do to Lawson what they did to Albon, lol)
I don't really have an issue with Marko's decision as we really shouldn't be rushing rookies. Giving him a season in Super Formula and not being in a high stress situation from the start of the year has likely helped a lot.
Yeah, but his driving in Super Formula is what matured him compared to his F2 stint, tbh. Now, you can judge the level of SF however you want, but I believe Lawson needed just another different challenge to practice, and he would never get that in a, as OP said, high stress situation in a shit Alpha Tauri from the beginning of the season.
I think it was an understandable choice. He was 3rd in his 2nd season in f2 and that wasn’t really a representative result of his speed that year. Imo super formula helped him mature into a better driver
yuki doesn’t deserve it but i see it happening, i have never seen a driver more unfortunate this year, like nothing has gone his way like it did for liam today
Yea, Lawson had a great drive today, but he also def got really lucky. Ocon DNF, Alonso disasterclass, Albon getting taken out by Checo, and Russel DNF. But, he did put himself into a situation, where if he got lucky, then he would be able to pounce on the situation.
Great drive from Lawson nonetheless
Yeah, Lawson pretty much glued himself to that seat after today, no way he's not getting a drive. Yuki might get the short end of the stick. Ricciardo has a higher ceiling, and there are signs that he can get there again, Horner massively prefers him and he's immensely marketable to boot, which will become a factor once Alpha Tauri renames itself to Hugo Boss or something.
The issue is that they are on a weird position, Logan getting points wouldn't move them to P6 and his lack of points won't move them to 8th. They really want to focus in their academy and picking someone better prepared or stablished very likely would lock that seat. If we only focus on Sargeant, they could give him next year and see how either of Colapinto or O'Sullivan do in F2, even see if Sargeant gets his break.
Dude has been steady in two absolutely chaos races. I’m sure he wasn’t ready, but he’s looking like he should have gotten the seat instead of De Vries in the first place
Yup, Albon was up for points! Then he plunged and since it wasn't on TV I was like "oh... he finally made a mistake defending..." (narrator: he didn't.)
Yes i know, it really sucks. It wasnt Yuki's fault at all, but in the end ppl will look at the results and be like.. he didnt show much talent, lack of points ect. Hopefully RB/AT will be able to see through it and keep him.
DannyRic is great for RBs image, ppl love him. So that might be a factor. Thats why i am worried.
The problem with Yuki is, if after 3 years RB doesn’t consider promoting him to the main team, what is the point in keeping him and blocking new talent? I’m not saying Tsunoda isn’t worthy of the AT seat, I think he absolutely is, but AT has been a junior team for ages and I don’t remember any driver driving for them for more than 3 years.
Fair point, makes me sad though. Where else could Yuki go? Stroll will never leave AM and Williams will probably keep Logan on for another year.
RB promotion would be awesome, but im not exactly counting on it lol.
They might keep Yuki at the main team in a reserve/test role, and try to help him find a seat when the 2024 silly season kicks in. It’s what they did with Albon. RB usually takes care of their drivers even when they can’t fit them in with their plans.
But this is highly speculative, if Ric can’t outperform him later this year, Yuki will probably stay.
I'm more worried about Yuki.
I don't think he'll ever get a chance at RB, and with the renaming if AT next year Danny Ric is the best PR you can get.
Despite deserving his seat I don't think Yuki fits in Red Bull plans anymore. :/
Don’t see how he won’t drive the AT next year. At this point it’s either yuki or Ricciardo getting the other seat. I would stay with yuki. Ricciardo is done.
How can people see the amount of care RB is showing towards DR and seriously think his seat is in danger?? RB have seen all they need to see from him between Sim, the tyre test, and the two races he’s had so far. It’s unfortunate for Yuki that 2 drivers have dropped into the seat next to him mid season and have shown that they’re at least at or above his level, with surely more to come. There’s no reason to keep a driver who has 0 chance of going to the big team. Hopefully Yuki can stay on the grid somewhere but if not he’ll be at the back of the RB garage next season.
Good on him. Been impressive so far, deserves a seat
Great clean drive for him. ~~Might end up being bumped to P8 too with Perez penalties.~~ Edit: Didn't realise he actually ended up 11 seconds back - thought it was much closer but he must've let off a lot once Perez got past.
He finished 11 seconds behind and I don’t expect the penalty to be big enough for that gap
He won’t.
Kid can drive. No doubt
Something that he has done so much better than Nyck is clean racing. DEV had a ton of incidents and he had the luxury or pre season, Liam got thrown into a rainy Zandvoort, and Singapore in his first bunch of races and he has managed to race well and don't crash the car.
Totally!
And I don't think ever raced Singapore before, and put the AT in points on his first go round. Legend.
Yeah that race is ruthless, he was gassed at the end.
Get this kid a seat
I know Williams is investing a lot on Sargeant, and as a rookie he shouldn't be held to unreasonably high standards. But with both rookies performing better than him, it paints a bad light.
I think it was fine to give him more time and do not exert pressure until now but I think he has to show something now. He started similar to Mick, maybe crashing less. Mick started to show good performances after the summer break. Sargeant needs to do that too at the bare minimum.
He'll definitely get a full season in 2024 now It's now going to be Yuki vs Ric
Hugo Boss, the likely new name for AlphaTauri will want Ric in the seat because he brings the media attention and Drive to Survive. I think Yuki will be out.
Would be a real shame if this is true, Yuki is having his best season and Riccardo is coming off his worse. I don't think it will be the last we see of him in F1, and might be a good thing for him. Albon took a year off and looks so much better now.
Complete U-turn at AT. From Yuki being a sure in with Ric just being evaluated to Yuki and Ric now having to duke it out for the final spot.
you realize this is all in your head, though, right?
But she's touching his chest now
He takes of her dress now
LET. ME. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Alpha T Sending Lawson to the seat Just because he got P9 Danny Ric begins to cry
But it's just the price he pays Destiny is calling him
I ain't happy
It was only a kiss
> It's now going to be Yuki vs Ric Ric is a marketing machine and probably has at least the same speed as Yuki, so its really not a question IMO But lets see how well does Ric do when he comes back.
Yuki has done more then enough to deserve his seat over ric. Yuki has had some incredibly bad luck this year. Ric didn’t do anything special in the races he did do, and then crashed out and injured himself.
I want yuki out of AT and in Stroll's seat. AT simply does not deserve him and I genuinely belive he would do better in AM.
This or with Albon at Williams
Williams' Red Bull refuge speaking, how may I help you? Seriously though, I suspect Alex knows Yuki very well after the year he spent coaching him while he himself didn't have a drive. So if he thinks it could work at Williams I'm sure he'll put in a good word.
Yuki Alonso would be the cutest pairing
Put them on top of one another and they'd still look up at Ocon.
Best take. Happy for Liam but I'm not convinced he's faster than Yuki. All these casuals calling for Yuki to be sacked when Red Bull literally screwed him all weekend lol.
This exactly. Yuki was faster all weekend. He was faster in Q1 on a cooler track, and he was on pace to get a faster lap Q2 twice. He's had so much bad luck all season. He still gets too easily frustrated though.
ric was still pretty quick, i don’t think at yuki’s level but also horner fucking adores him. I wish people would see how unlucky Yuki has been all year but standings look fucking horrid rn
He's been unlucky but also hasn't been particularly fast against Ric or Lawson and gets himself into bad positions - it's not a coincidence it's nearly always Yuki and I like and would miss Yuki
This and last race was completely out of his control.
So was Zandvoort, team forgot to pit him.
Didn't wanna include Zandvoort since technically he did get a penalty, although I'm like 80% sure there's some sort of stewards agenda against Yuki. After this race tho it's more of 99%
A bs penalty, never before have I seen a penalty for that, not to mention contact wouldn't have happened if he wasn't forced to skate on those old tyres. And penalty or not he was out of the points because of the strategy.
i mean he has been though, even this weekend he was super fucking quick, it’s not his fault like last weekend his engine blew out or this weekend perez cannot drive or in monaco where the brakes went or in barcelona where the stewards gave him a bogus 5s penalty, i could go on and on this year
They always seem to manage him into the ground. Like he'll be in 7th and everyone will box but him and then he gets passed by 8 cars in the last 5 laps.
Ric not at Yuki's level? Lol
Has he done more than enough? The only teammate he’s convincingly beaten is Devries.
We all thought Yuki was out performing the car first half of the season. In reality you have a rookie and someone or sat out half a season jumping into a car and being on pace. I know Yuki has been unlucky but he’s the one under pressure.
And two of the trickier tracks he has never raced. Honestly excited about him and Piastri. Both seem mature beyond their years
don't know about that, from the short time yuki had against danny i would give the nod to daniel, with how much better yuki is supposed to know the car his showing was quite bad. also compared to lawson, who has never driven a race in an f1 car before the netherlands, i would say it looks quite bad for yuki
He was faster than Yuki literally first race in the AT, and Marko and Horner said without the contact from Zhou at the start would have been in the points.
and in Spa Yuki was quicker, Yuki was quicker that whole weekend and messed up one sector in qualifying
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It shouldn't be. Yuki had more pace this weekend again. Ditching Yuki at this point is, it's De Vries all over again. He also looked good when his team mate wasn't involved.
I love Daniel but I'd give the seat to Liam at this point. Guy's an absolute menace.
They'll both be in next season most likely. Yuki's had three years with this team and has been immediately matched by two guys stepping in in the middle of the season, that's not the type of performance RB usually appreciates.
With a car attached.
Should've been in from the start of this year, and must be in for the next now.
Super Formula was a good choice imo.
It has a place, but Alpha choosing Nyck over him was always a rubbish idea.
That I agree with.
Who knew Honda and Toyota could manufacture better engines than Mecachrome?
I think (or maybe hope) we could see Ricciardo and Lawson at AlphaTauri next year, while Tsunoda goes to Williams. Ricciardo or Lawson may then go up to Red Bull to replace Perez in 2025.
Imagine being Sargeant and being behind in the standings in a better car to a driver that has had 3 races. I like having an American in the sport, but Lawson has shown Sargeant is not good enough.
Regardless of lawson I dont see why anyone would think any different about logan. He's been so far off albon it's far worse than alonso vandoorne ever was.
Oh yeah I agree. He hasn't shown any signs of improvement either. His peak was Saudi where he had pace, but fucked up quali.
He made q3 in Zandvoort, I think that was a sign, but then immediately binned it
> but then immediately binned it That was due to a car failure to be fair to him.
That was in the race. The quali crash was purely on him.
And wouldn't be surprised that race issue was caused by the qualifying crash
Hydraulics failure in race
He seems to actually regressed somehow
They were teammates in F2. Lawson beat him eventually, but my recollection is that Logan was the better qualifier and Liam only overtook him in the standings in the last race weekend.
You're correct, Lawson's best performances were mostly in the reverse-grid sprint races whilst Sargeant generally had the upper hand (especially impressive given he was a rookie and Lawson wasn't). Lawson has clearly adapted better to F1 though.
Lawson has also had the benefit of running in SuperFormula before he joined in F1. The competition in Super Formula isn’t something to brush off. He would have grown there a load. That and he was given a much better alphatauri to work with. Post upgrades the car seems to be closer to the points places.
Weird to say that Lawson has the benefit of Super Formula when Sargeant was in F1 during that time, which should help you even more to adapt to F1 cars.
I don’t think Super Formula has anything to do with it. Lawson is just better than his F2 career would lead you to believe. He should have won DTM as well, but that was stolen from him. Lawson is solid talent.
I saw someone do the counter factual where all 'bad luck' was removed from F2 2022, and Lawson finished....second to Drugovich, but well ahead of Pourchaire, Sargeant, etc. I think you're right, his last F2 season didn't really show his true talent, and his DTM season, in which he dominated Albon, really showed how well he can adapt. What he lacks in single lap quali pace he makes up for with superb attacking and defending skills and overall racecraft. If he hadn't tried to make that pass for the lead against his teammate, Nojiri, at Motegi, then he probably would have been leading the SF championship as well.
The Williams isn’t very good on the majority of tracks though, they really only excel in very low downforce conditions and we saw that this week
To be fair to Sargent, since Lawson has joined AT the car has been pretty fast.
Yeah but so has the Williams. Albon had a great race in Zandvoort and Monza.
Yep no excuse in Monza for sergeant he just lacked pace himself.
Albon probably would have got points today too except he got hit by Perez. No blame for Alex on that one
Perez hit Albon AND Yuki. Until he punted Albon out of the way, Checo was REALLY close to getting beaten by every single current and former RedBull driver: Albon, Tsunoda, Verstappen, Sainz, and Lawson. With a couple laps to go, that's what seemed to be happening. If he hadn't hit Albon, there's a good chance he wouldn't have gotten past him at all. (and therefor stayed behind Lawson too)
I actually like New Zealanders better anyway.
This is kinda funny considering how Sargeant was faster than Lawson(on raw pace) during their time in F2 in 2022. How the turn tables...
Liam Lawson probably just punched Logan Sargeant’s ticket with that performance. That can’t feel good
Williams need to get one of the two into Sargeant's seat.
I think Red Bull should let Yuki go to Williams. He knows Alex very well after that year they spent with Alex coaching him, and let's face it Yuki is stuck at Alpha Tauri. Give the AT seats to Lawson and Ricciardo and let them duke it out to go up to RB in 2025.
Especially if the rumor has any merit that Yuki might be courted by Aston Martin Honda in 2026. It lets RB keep the talent they will want to cultivate long-term. Perez will likely be out at the end of his contract if Lawson or Ricciardo do well, and it'll give them a free seat at AT for an upcoming rookie.
Exactly, the deal they gave Albon which was basically a loan to Williams for a year could be repeated, with the thinking that Aston Martin might have a spare seat in 2025 or 2026 once Fernando retires again and/or Stroll gets bored and goes to play tennis. They'll surely want at least one of Iwasa or Hauger or Fittipaldi in an AT seat in 2025 once Lawson or Ricciardo get called up for Perez's seat.
Yeah, Vowles won't give Sargeant a second chance after this one. He didn't even manage to keep the car in one piece while Lawson goes ahead and does this.
I feel for rookies these days. The expectation to deliver is way higher with only a fraction of the seat time. I feel for Vowels too. He seems legitimately invested in Sargeant even though he’s Capitol’s driver. Part of me hopes for a second season on account of what I said about seat time, but he’s way under performing I think even for an inexperienced rookie. Lawson has a lot more experience overall compared to Sargent, but Sargent has more time in F1 so it still looks bad. The kid needs to pick it up or he’s cooked for sure.
Didn’t vowels say that they know they got Sargent in earlier than they would’ve liked and given this year for him to breathe and just to find his feet
Especially since the at is a far worse car
~~First driver to get points on his first race at Singapore right?~~ edit: correction first driver to get his first points finish at 🇸🇬
Dunno about others but Max got points in 2015.
Maybe it’s the first driver to get his first points AT Singapore? F1TV crew mentioned some stat like that early in the race.
Yup, first driver to score their first points at Singapore
The amount of 'stats' people will make up
The stats aren't made up. Whether you find them useful or not is another story but he is the first driver to score his first points at Singapore.
We're not there yet, but if F1 gets to the ridiculous level of the NBA stats the broadcasters and media are bringing up, we're down the shitter. "Lebron James is the only player to score 20 of his 32 points in the 2nd half of a game after the All-star break while wearing his own signature shoe, revised, with white shoe laces."
That's what they said on tv
He’s a stud You can say “oh he’s just gonna be NDV all over again” but imo it’s different, a lot different Lawson has Yuki as his teammate who is a lot better than Latifi Monza was Williams’ best chance for points by a mile last year when you looked at the calendar Lawson has had 3 races and raced well at all 3. The first race being as tough of a scenario as you can imagine and Singapore hasn’t had a maiden points scorer ever He’s impressive as fuck
He hasn’t put a single foot wrong outside of his very first practice session in terrible weather conditions at Zandvort. And that was after he had less than 24 hours notice to be in the car. Since then he’s been flawless. Very impressed.
Pretty sure he could have binned it and zandvort and everyone wouldn’t have cared
Completely agree, but small correction, He had a spin (and recovered) in one of Friday's FP sessions. But yeah, Liam has been very impressive, only 2 spins in his first few outings and *most importantly* managing to keep them from becoming session ending and no adverse consequences (like poor qualifying) as a result. Simply amazing in my opinion - especially when far more experienced drivers have spun or gone out at similar points (both here and Zandvort - Zhou went off & beached at roughly the same place for instance). Yeah that's showing some drive.
Yup. And don‘t forget, his first race was Zandvoort without any proper preparation, with changeable conditions in both quali and the race and he didn‘t crash, didn’t put a foot wrong and just did what he could. Guy‘s the real deal.
Dude spun once and even then managed to keep it out the barriers at Zandvoort. Dude's a machine. If he doesn't get a spot next year that's just the system being super rigged. Red Bull surely sees his potential now
I think the points finish in Singapore has sealed the deal, no way they‘re not gonna give him the AT seat next year
If Checo hadn't punted off Albon, it would have taken a lot longer to pass him. Albon was behind Lawson. Checo didn't pass Lawson until lap 61/62. If Checo had kept it clean, it's pretty much certain that Lawson would have beaten Checo in his THIRD race for AlphaTauri. He'd have beaten the fastest car with the slowest. Sure, some caveats apply to that, but, still, they'd have to cage up Helmut to stop him from firing Checo over the radio, lol
Checo took out Yuki, too, didn't he?
He was almost beaten by every other current/former redbull driver. Sainz, Gasley, Verstappen all finished ahead He took out Tsunoda and punted Albon. Only one of them was in a car that was possibly faster (Sainz). Meanwhile I've seen people arguing that they won't drop Checo next year. He's doing worse than Gasley did, and Helmut seems very much done with him. Gasley had to genuinely fight in the midpack because the car wasn't that fast. Checo has to do a recovery run from 17th to 7th every race, in one of the most dominant cars ever built. Max wins ten races in a row, and Checo only makes q3 9 times the whole season. RedBull now have 3 drivers in AlphaTauri fighting for that seat, and all three look more promising than checo right now. The only reason I don't think they'll replace him mid-season is that we're so far in. Even then, I can imagine them doing it to solve the 3-driver-problem at AlphaTauri. (watch them do to Lawson what they did to Albon, lol)
So many great things happened today you almost missed this one. Awesome weekend
Should've been in the car at the start of the year instead of De Vries but Marko..
I don't really have an issue with Marko's decision as we really shouldn't be rushing rookies. Giving him a season in Super Formula and not being in a high stress situation from the start of the year has likely helped a lot.
I doubt, he would have atleast gotten testing which is more helpful than just being thrown into a car
Yeah, but his driving in Super Formula is what matured him compared to his F2 stint, tbh. Now, you can judge the level of SF however you want, but I believe Lawson needed just another different challenge to practice, and he would never get that in a, as OP said, high stress situation in a shit Alpha Tauri from the beginning of the season.
Fair point.
I think it was an understandable choice. He was 3rd in his 2nd season in f2 and that wasn’t really a representative result of his speed that year. Imo super formula helped him mature into a better driver
Marko: Liam is not from Europe and he is from Down Under which means he is South American, slower than Nyck the European /s
His defence against Albon + Perez at the end there was brilliant. Unlucky not to get p8
Held them up long enough for Perez to get impatient
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Think he needs 2 penalties
He could get 2, he had an incident with Lawson and Albon.
And with Yuki during lap 1.
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>a VSC/Pit lane incident Albon is the one being investigated for that incident
Perez needs 3 penalties to finish behind Lawson. That’s not happening.
Not an easy track to do your 3rd Grand Prix at either. Incredible job
Excellent performance, I'm sure he'll have future in F1. Hope it will not come at the cost of Yuki's seat.
yuki doesn’t deserve it but i see it happening, i have never seen a driver more unfortunate this year, like nothing has gone his way like it did for liam today
Yea, Lawson had a great drive today, but he also def got really lucky. Ocon DNF, Alonso disasterclass, Albon getting taken out by Checo, and Russel DNF. But, he did put himself into a situation, where if he got lucky, then he would be able to pounce on the situation. Great drive from Lawson nonetheless
yeh sad bcus Yuki was right behind before perez was a donkey and it could have been double points
Yuki and Piastri have definitely been the unluckiest drivers this year imo
Yeah, Lawson pretty much glued himself to that seat after today, no way he's not getting a drive. Yuki might get the short end of the stick. Ricciardo has a higher ceiling, and there are signs that he can get there again, Horner massively prefers him and he's immensely marketable to boot, which will become a factor once Alpha Tauri renames itself to Hugo Boss or something.
And first driver to score their maiden points in Singapore thanks Crofty. Sucks for Yuki tho, got screwed over second day in a row
Yuki gets screwed over constantly, nothing new.
Bu bu but de Vries deserved moar timeu!? This kid got a seat for next year. Even if AT doesn't give him one, someone will knock for sure.
I have been on defence for Sargeant but Jesus Christ if Williams don't take this chance then idk what to think anymore
The issue is that they are on a weird position, Logan getting points wouldn't move them to P6 and his lack of points won't move them to 8th. They really want to focus in their academy and picking someone better prepared or stablished very likely would lock that seat. If we only focus on Sargeant, they could give him next year and see how either of Colapinto or O'Sullivan do in F2, even see if Sargeant gets his break.
Yeah, it wouldn’t look good for Williams academy to boot their own junior for an RB junior. Although these things happen.
Yup, that‘s him in f1 for 2024. What a drive, absolutely insane for a rookie to get points in an AT in his 3rd ever race, around Singapore. Jeez.
Dude has been steady in two absolutely chaos races. I’m sure he wasn’t ready, but he’s looking like he should have gotten the seat instead of De Vries in the first place
And what's better is next is Suzuka where he's got tons of track experience from Super Formula. Hope he'll do well and guarantee himself a contract
I would be pretty scarred if i'm Yuki or Danny right now.
Yuki having his weekend ruined by both Max and Perez this weekend was not on my bingo list
perez then ruining albon’s too
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Yup, Albon was up for points! Then he plunged and since it wasn't on TV I was like "oh... he finally made a mistake defending..." (narrator: he didn't.)
I fear for Yuki. However Liam is doing so well, would be a shame not to give him a seat.
Doubt that Yuki's place is in danger, he got really unlucky this weekend with both Max and Checo destroying his race and quali.
Yes i know, it really sucks. It wasnt Yuki's fault at all, but in the end ppl will look at the results and be like.. he didnt show much talent, lack of points ect. Hopefully RB/AT will be able to see through it and keep him. DannyRic is great for RBs image, ppl love him. So that might be a factor. Thats why i am worried.
The problem with Yuki is, if after 3 years RB doesn’t consider promoting him to the main team, what is the point in keeping him and blocking new talent? I’m not saying Tsunoda isn’t worthy of the AT seat, I think he absolutely is, but AT has been a junior team for ages and I don’t remember any driver driving for them for more than 3 years.
Fair point, makes me sad though. Where else could Yuki go? Stroll will never leave AM and Williams will probably keep Logan on for another year. RB promotion would be awesome, but im not exactly counting on it lol.
They might keep Yuki at the main team in a reserve/test role, and try to help him find a seat when the 2024 silly season kicks in. It’s what they did with Albon. RB usually takes care of their drivers even when they can’t fit them in with their plans. But this is highly speculative, if Ric can’t outperform him later this year, Yuki will probably stay.
Another clean as fuck drive.
Bah, if he's not in the car full season it's a dumb move. He's doing everything right
De Vries would've been in the wall by lap 5.
He definitely deserves a seat now I would keep him in that seat if I was alpha tauri
Thrown in at the deep end; immediately adapted; consistent. This is a driver who truly deserves a seat.
Super stoked for New Zealand in motorsport right now. Lawson, Dixon, McLaughlin, Armstrong, Evans, Van Gisbergen, Paddon, Duncan.
Bamber, Hartley (endurance racers get forgotten about so easily)
Plsss Liam Yuki lineup next year
He's been really impressive, I really hope he can get a full time drive next year.
Lawson + Yuki or Ric next year.
Gotta feel horrible for Tsounda
Give him the seat.
He needs a seat next year
Future world champion
It'll be an absolute crime if Lawson doesn't have a seat next season.
Perhaps he should have been in the seat all season
Really impressed by his drive last 3 grand prix
And AlphaTauri’s best result this year
Great job
Absolutely phenomenal job from him this weekend.
Will he race in Japan too?
Depends on how fit Daniel is. He's flying to Australia for some physiotherapy sessions and they'll probably evaluate him there.
Most likely he will. They don’t want to rush Danny ric back and I think they want to see how Liam will do at a track he knows well.
I think it’s safe to now give him the seat full time
Is it right to say he is the only AT driver to come 9th? Yuki came 10th 3 times ? Please correct me if im wrong
R.I.P Danny Ric's career. Shout out to its family.
I'm more worried about Yuki. I don't think he'll ever get a chance at RB, and with the renaming if AT next year Danny Ric is the best PR you can get. Despite deserving his seat I don't think Yuki fits in Red Bull plans anymore. :/
Don’t see how he won’t drive the AT next year. At this point it’s either yuki or Ricciardo getting the other seat. I would stay with yuki. Ricciardo is done.
Congrats on your Australian citizenship, we're officially claiming you as one of our own
No you don't, he's ours!
Pls no. You can keep Russell Crowe, but don't claim Liam
We have Oscar already.
Absolute monster
Best AT result all season. Both Ric and Yuki should be worried.
He's in the AT for 24 no question. DR will have six races to take Yuki's spot.
How can people see the amount of care RB is showing towards DR and seriously think his seat is in danger?? RB have seen all they need to see from him between Sim, the tyre test, and the two races he’s had so far. It’s unfortunate for Yuki that 2 drivers have dropped into the seat next to him mid season and have shown that they’re at least at or above his level, with surely more to come. There’s no reason to keep a driver who has 0 chance of going to the big team. Hopefully Yuki can stay on the grid somewhere but if not he’ll be at the back of the RB garage next season.
Lawson + Yuki please, hope they don't just give it to Ricciardo because he's Red bulls "long lost child"
Unbelievable drive. Hope he gets a seat for next year.
So who's out next year for him. Yuki? Or Daniel?
goodbye Sargeant, hello Lawson
Does this mean he is better than Mick?
Amazing achievement. Congrats and hope we see him on regular basis in future.
13th, 11th and now 9th. If he gets to race in Japan he should finish in 7th position.
Yuki or Daniel to RB, Lawson to AT and Perez to chinese F4 I guess.