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I like him but he has to go.
Although saying that, Horner was saying he pretty much didn't want another good driver in the seat.
So maybe Perez is safe.
It's must have been tough for Bottas. He had to acknowledge to himself that he wasn't going to be as good as Lewis. Because if he didn't do that, every weekend where Lewis beat him, would have fucked up his confidence!
But at the same time, he still has to believe in himself, otherwise he would lose ALL confidence and focus! It must have been a tough balance - acknowledge you aren't as good as Lewis to yourself, but still believe in yourself...
I think yo even be in F1 you need to believe that you can make it with the right car, your peak form.
If you didn't believe that you wouldn't be able to have the confidence to do the driving they do.
People mocked Latifi saying he still hoped and felt himself capable of WDC cause *gestures broadly*... but no one turns up to the peak level of anything without thinking they have a shot if the stars align.
Get Rubens in the second RB seat, tell him that if he plays N2 all season long they will prioritize him in Brazil. Rubens finally wins his home GP, all is solved
I agree he has to go.
This level of performance is so much worse than the level that got Albon dropped. Albon also didn’t have a car anywhere near this good.
The lap that got deleted was only barely in the top 10 anyway in a car that took an easy pole. It’s just so bad and happening all the time.
I think they'd like a good driver, they don't neccessarily want another goat driver. But currently only Lance looks like a worse option. Hell Yuki out-qualified Checo even without being in a Red Bull.
In that timeline Hamilton would certainly have won his 8th WDC in 2021, but Ricciardo might now be a 2-time world champion winning both 2022 and 2023. Crazy how much difference that would make.
Though of course it's also possible that without a Verstappen-level superstar in the team they'd have attracted less engineering talent, less investment, and as a result their car wouldn't have been as good as it is now. It's hard to say how counterfactuals would actually go.
Well at that time he did have a shot, he was in good form, max wasnt quite one with the car like he is now.ofcourse it was always 99% maxs wdc, but there was a chance if max gets super unlucky and checos performs to his perfect level.
Rosberg is extremely underrated imo. Yes he’s not quite on Hamilton’s level but he was still capable of genuinely winning enough times. He didn’t always have to rely on Hamilton’s misfortune to win a race.
Perez has beaten Max maybe 1 time without luck intervening.
I never once believed the hype that Checo would beat Max to the title over the course of an entire season. No disrespect to Checo he's having a mare at the moment and he's a far better driver than whatever is going on with him right now but he's no Max.
There are just a few drivers on the grid that would put up a good title fight against Max in the same car and Checo isn't one of them just like Bottas was nowhere near the level of Lewis.
Checi needs to get himself a mental therapist one that specialises in top level athletes because whatever is going on with him is all in his head not his talent. He's second guessing himself and has completely lost confidence it's unbelievable how he's completely unraveled as the season has gone on, the more Max looks unbeatable the more Checo seems lost.
But even if Checo drove as well as he ever had during his entire career, his wins would still be limited to rear-limited street circuits. So that's like 4 or 5 wins total from driving at his perfect level.
You can win a championship with 5 wins as long as there are many other race winners. But as long as Max is in the other car, I can't conjure up any scenario where Checo ever had a chance.
But why would he do that to himself? He could just have said: “I’ll take it one race at a time and we’ll see where I end up at the end of the season.” Now he is being mocked as a wanna be WDC after every subpar session.
You have to take that chance, come on. If you have a chance to go to a top team you go for it, specially at that stage of his career when it was almost certainly his last chance. Sure, it didn't turn out well for him and it was always almost impossible objectively for him to beat Max. Still almost certainly his best shot at ever being world champion.
Are we really forgetting how Checo was best of the rest in 2020 and left hung out to dry by Racing Point mid-season? And it's easy to say this stuff in hindsight, but if you were a midfield driver throughout your career, and a top team approaches you, it would be extremely difficult to decline such an opportunity
I think he won't get dropped in 2024 even if he drops to like... 4th. They'll stick to him no matter what, and then if he has a weak start in 2024, they drop him.
I agree. I think if DR didn't crash and performed to their minimum expectations in AT, Perez wouldn't even start a race next season.
Now if he keeps up his quali pace for the next few races, that's still on the table.
would be a bit of a disservice to the replacement cause you could get them a full preseason's worth of prep and getting used to team and car, since it seems really unlikely checo will find his form again in this environment.
no i'm not, i just said it doesnt look like checo will manage to turn it around without changing his situation. that doesnt mean it is the team's fault.
He will be gone after Mexico, has to be the only reason the team as still being positive about him right now.
Just look at all the other Red Bull drivers that were fired for way less.
Red Bull has no qualms about dropping drivers before their home race.
The real reason Perez is still safe in Red Bull (for now) is that Tsunoda likely is deemed not good enough and Ricciardo's been injured so hasn't been able to get a rythm and show he should be in Red Bull. Lawson, obviously, lacks experience and Red Bull isn't putting a rookie next to Verstappen again.
Yeah, but it would make sense to wait until Ricciardo is back up to speed, promote him, and then give the AT seat to Lawson.
On the other hand there were some rumors that Ricciardo's participation was part of AT's pitch to sponsors so moving him might not be on the cards for next season.
I find it hard to believe that AT's sponsor situation would even factor into that decision in any meaningful way, RB can easily cover any loss of sponsorship if it ultimately benefits the performance of RBR.
Really will be surprised if he returns to the RB next season.
It feels more and more like Lawson should get the second Alpha Tauri seat and Riccardo return to RB
I hope RB is just waiting for Ricciardo to drive a bit and show what he has shown in the simulators and for the Mexican GP to be over. Perez has to go, he doesnt deserve that car.
Never ever remember me of Mike f*cking Lugg, the same guy who was demoted in 2020 to a "role inside the factory" once he was also making dubious calls for Albon.
And later he was gone out of the Red Bull family and the guy basically become invisible.
Well mutiple things. First of all he was a rookie engineer back in 2019 what isn't ideal if you driver is also new in the team.
That obvious isn't a direct case to write someone off but Mike Lugg was often making very dubious calls, for example he putted Albon in a compromised traffic position often during qualifying despite there was a good window to let him do a normal qualifying program.
Another example is the horrible way he put Gasly in during his first race at Australia, something what Gasly still was having nightmares from 2 years later, at least. Also from what I did hear is that during set-up adjustments Mike Lugg barely listened to driver feedback and just solely making adjustments based on his own view. If Gasly was asking for an adjustment at the front wing for example Lugg was adjusting the rear meanwhile doing nothing at the front. The dynamic between those two was non-existing and with Albon it looked like the dynamic was still bad and that Red Bull realized that the issue wasn't just "the driver".
Funny thing what I found noteworthy is that Gasly never told he wanted to go back at Red Bull again until Mike Lugg was gone as a race engineer at Silverstone 2020, sometimes the best clues are hidden in the details.
To add to this, Lugg is now Technical Director at Envision Racing in FE.
And for more context: Lugg was hired by Red Bull from some feeder series (British Formula 3) that Ricciardo previously drove and won the championship in. Lugg was hired as an enticement to get Ricciardo to re-sign, and it was expected that he’d be Ricciardo’s new race engineer in 2019. Ricciardo didn’t sign, but they’d already hired Lugg to be a race engineer, hence how he got placed with Gasly. His only F1 experience prior to 2019 was whatever pitwall training/shadowing Red Bull had him do to prepare for the role.
Gasly did confirm in 2020 that he asked for Lugg to be replaced but was refused. Red Bull ultimately replaced Lugg at Albon’s request in 2020 as you mentioned.
Personally I always wondered how Gasly would be if he wasn't stuck with Mike Lugg, it's likely one of those type of open questions what makes you wondering.
People always talk about successful driver - engineer partnerships, but they never talk about the failed partnerships, which is a shame because I think there’s something to be learned in studying those failures.
Got lapped by max, crashed into Albon, contributed 63 points, barely more than 25% of the team’s total (max had 178), consistently 3 tenths down on max, crashed by himself a bunch of times. So by the same standards Checo should be gone.
Basically the same type of issues as we seen later at the RB16 the year after, despite that Red Bull solved a lot of issues with the RB15 with a big upgrade packet at....Spa!
Max is amazing in terms of adaptability.
The only difference between Gasly/Albon and Checo is that Checo has México's richest man sponsoring him. Carlos Slim has been Forbes top 10.
So it's basically a paid seat.
U joke, but I respect Latifi a lot for going down that route. He could easily have gone to another series and raced, but he realised he isn't good enough, so he wants to create an impact elsewhere. Remember that Horner was a racing driver once? Look at how much he has achieved since.
I mean, I'm sure Latifi could have gotten a cushy, high paying, easy job at one of his father's companies, straight out of F1. But he decided to go back to school, which I have to say, I respect!
Albon and Gasly drove also with way less stable cars, plus having the excuse of being "fresh" F1 drivers.
Perez is underperforming harder but this doesn't get exposed harder because the simple fact that the RB19 is a dominant car.
How many times has Albon and Gasly outqualified Perez now this season?
Lets be honest, the only reason Checo is still in RBR is because he's lucky enough that there isn't a second best team. If he was 3rd or 4th with this absolute stinker of a season, he would've been back in Mexico, watching the F1 on tv.
Kevin Magnussen still has a seat, Lance Stroll still had one. If Andretti gets approved, hiring a Mexican driver to start their entry would be smart from an investor standpoint, from a fan standpoint and having a Veteran name driving could also prove beneficial.
At least last year when he lost P2 to Charles, Charles had a big points advantage at the start of the season before Ferrari messed things up. This season Red Bull have been dominant since race number one, and it will be way worse if he doesn't finish P2.
Red Bull ideally would be a good final stop for Alonso or an aging vet who's already had a stint as a #1. Feels like this is why Ricciardo is an ideal choice since he's at an acceptance stage of his career
They should have not promoted him to Red Bull so early. It was a killer move for a rookie with 12 races in F1 who had also never even tested an F1 car before that.
Albon was a better driver than perez and I am confident stats and percentages would support my claim but I can't be arsed to find meaningless stats late at night
Think RB has been compromised by Daniel being out so they had to set 2024 in stone, when they probably wanted to have the option to bring him into RB after evaluation this season.
But I’d be 100% sure he’ll be a mid season drop if Daniel comes back strong next year and he doesn’t improve.
Daniel will still have a few races to stake his claim.
As long as he performs decently well and Perez has 1-2 more weekends like this I think the switch will be inevitable.
This was actually better for red bull. They get to evaluate Ricciardo and Lawson. I think Lawson did enough to earn his chance. If Danny Ric delivers when he is back, I think it's a no brainer to make the change for 2024.
My conspiracy theory is that RB has pushed Ricciardo to take a longer recovery so that Lawson can maximize seat time in exchange for probably an assurance that he is in the RB seat mid-24 or 25. One of the biggest complaints recently is that rookies don't get enough seat time to be able to get up to speed and Lawson will come into AT with so much experience now.
I'm a Checo fan but think that's 100% it, the plan was to get Danny to make Checo shit himself, if he didn't improve Danny was in for '24... and then he went and broke his wrist forcing them to delay it
I cannot believe how many people argued yesterday it was not possible for Perez to finish below Hamilton for 2nd given the car advantage he has. It is so obvious that does not matter.
If Ricciardo somehow gets points at COTA, Marko is just gonna say, "Fuck this." and leave Checo at the airport after the race.
"Here you go, Danny. A slightly used RB19. Enjoy."
It’s just so amateurish and so unlike a driver with 12 years in F1. Don’t push the track limits when you just need the banker and the car is so far ahead of the rest.
He’s so lucky Daniel was ruled out because that’s the only reason why he’s been resigned for 2024 and even then they’ve probably considered firing him early.
Like last race where they kept showing the replay of him going past cars on pit exit under safety car and then it turned out he got the penalty for overtaking Alonso before pit entry
Bro got that seat cause every other team fumbled Bahrain 2.0 and he miraculously won a race and everyone with half a brain was able to tell from the get go.
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If we had 2 Perez level drivers in that red bull this season might have been insane fight between like 5 teams
We would have never have known what a beast the redbull car really was.
I ALWAYS think about how many times this has happened with other cars, we will never know their true potential
cough cough 2012 williams
The wasted potential of that car pains me at a spiritual level, especially considering that Kimi nearly went to Williams that year instead of Lotus.
if maldonado won a race in it, imagine what it would have done in the hands of kimi
2020 Racing Point comes to mind
Who were the drivers then? Oh…
I do wondering how much further that car would be if someone like Alonso was in that seat.
Pink Mercedes
I like him but he has to go. Although saying that, Horner was saying he pretty much didn't want another good driver in the seat. So maybe Perez is safe.
He wants a Bottas or a Barrichello through, not a good driver that challenges max each week but a driver good enough to be always behind him.
So, they should see if Cal Naughton is available
> Cal Naughton Cal Naughton ended up with Ricky Bobby's wife though
Yay! Two Christmases!
Did a photo shoot for Playgirl even. Spread his buttcheeks and everything
No, that was Mike Honcho iirc
"Mike Honcho has taken the lead!"
Don’t you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby
Ver Ham Bot 2024?
Many drivers can be Bottas or Barrichello to Max, Perez is'nt one of them.
Now I want Bottas in that seat
Bottas is available.
BAH GAWD. THATS BOTTAS MUSIC
If Bottas could still put his Merc form together in RBs current car I would unironically love that lol
A B+ player. Being as good as Bottas was for most of those years is tough.
It's must have been tough for Bottas. He had to acknowledge to himself that he wasn't going to be as good as Lewis. Because if he didn't do that, every weekend where Lewis beat him, would have fucked up his confidence! But at the same time, he still has to believe in himself, otherwise he would lose ALL confidence and focus! It must have been a tough balance - acknowledge you aren't as good as Lewis to yourself, but still believe in yourself...
I think yo even be in F1 you need to believe that you can make it with the right car, your peak form. If you didn't believe that you wouldn't be able to have the confidence to do the driving they do. People mocked Latifi saying he still hoped and felt himself capable of WDC cause *gestures broadly*... but no one turns up to the peak level of anything without thinking they have a shot if the stars align.
Get Rubens in the second RB seat, tell him that if he plays N2 all season long they will prioritize him in Brazil. Rubens finally wins his home GP, all is solved
I agree he has to go. This level of performance is so much worse than the level that got Albon dropped. Albon also didn’t have a car anywhere near this good. The lap that got deleted was only barely in the top 10 anyway in a car that took an easy pole. It’s just so bad and happening all the time.
I think they'd like a good driver, they don't neccessarily want another goat driver. But currently only Lance looks like a worse option. Hell Yuki out-qualified Checo even without being in a Red Bull.
Wonder what would of happened if they went for Nico instead of Sergio
he wants a #2 driver, not a #13
Is there a 'season without Max' points table around here?
Search formula 1.5
Without Verstappen there Perez wouldn't be mentally broken and he'd perform better.
Without Verstappen, RB wouldn’t have hired Perez. Albon and Gasly would most likely be driving for them.
without Verstappen, Ricciardo would most likely still be driving for them.
In that timeline Hamilton would certainly have won his 8th WDC in 2021, but Ricciardo might now be a 2-time world champion winning both 2022 and 2023. Crazy how much difference that would make. Though of course it's also possible that without a Verstappen-level superstar in the team they'd have attracted less engineering talent, less investment, and as a result their car wouldn't have been as good as it is now. It's hard to say how counterfactuals would actually go.
If he can't handle being number 2, why did he go to Red Bull?
Remember when Perez was talking himself up as having a genuine shot at the title after the first 4 races of the season. Good times.
Well at that time he did have a shot, he was in good form, max wasnt quite one with the car like he is now.ofcourse it was always 99% maxs wdc, but there was a chance if max gets super unlucky and checos performs to his perfect level.
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Rosberg is extremely underrated imo. Yes he’s not quite on Hamilton’s level but he was still capable of genuinely winning enough times. He didn’t always have to rely on Hamilton’s misfortune to win a race. Perez has beaten Max maybe 1 time without luck intervening.
Rosberg was a very good driver
Dude won WDC after having children. First in 20 years.
He did not just fail to win from pole. His teammate started P9 and overtook him on older tires to win, and didn't stop winning for months.
I never once believed the hype that Checo would beat Max to the title over the course of an entire season. No disrespect to Checo he's having a mare at the moment and he's a far better driver than whatever is going on with him right now but he's no Max. There are just a few drivers on the grid that would put up a good title fight against Max in the same car and Checo isn't one of them just like Bottas was nowhere near the level of Lewis. Checi needs to get himself a mental therapist one that specialises in top level athletes because whatever is going on with him is all in his head not his talent. He's second guessing himself and has completely lost confidence it's unbelievable how he's completely unraveled as the season has gone on, the more Max looks unbeatable the more Checo seems lost.
But even if Checo drove as well as he ever had during his entire career, his wins would still be limited to rear-limited street circuits. So that's like 4 or 5 wins total from driving at his perfect level. You can win a championship with 5 wins as long as there are many other race winners. But as long as Max is in the other car, I can't conjure up any scenario where Checo ever had a chance.
But why would he do that to himself? He could just have said: “I’ll take it one race at a time and we’ll see where I end up at the end of the season.” Now he is being mocked as a wanna be WDC after every subpar session.
“Hi this is Red Bull want a seat?” “No, I’m holding out for a better team…”
Because he wouldn’t have a drive otherwise…
He didn’t exactly have a choice of seats.
You have to take that chance, come on. If you have a chance to go to a top team you go for it, specially at that stage of his career when it was almost certainly his last chance. Sure, it didn't turn out well for him and it was always almost impossible objectively for him to beat Max. Still almost certainly his best shot at ever being world champion.
Do you think drivers make it to this level and think they're mediocre? He's never had a top drive before, why would he have turned that down?
Are we really forgetting how Checo was best of the rest in 2020 and left hung out to dry by Racing Point mid-season? And it's easy to say this stuff in hindsight, but if you were a midfield driver throughout your career, and a top team approaches you, it would be extremely difficult to decline such an opportunity
Imagine being in THAT RedBull and getting outqualified by AlphaTauri💀💀💀
“A ~~Williams~~ AT should not be out qualifying a ~~mercedes~~ Redbull”
Perez is trying to decide the championship on Friday.
Surely they can’t keep him after fumbling a 1-2 WDC in two dominant cars?
I think he won't get dropped in 2024 even if he drops to like... 4th. They'll stick to him no matter what, and then if he has a weak start in 2024, they drop him.
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I agree. I think if DR didn't crash and performed to their minimum expectations in AT, Perez wouldn't even start a race next season. Now if he keeps up his quali pace for the next few races, that's still on the table.
would be a bit of a disservice to the replacement cause you could get them a full preseason's worth of prep and getting used to team and car, since it seems really unlikely checo will find his form again in this environment.
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no i'm not, i just said it doesnt look like checo will manage to turn it around without changing his situation. that doesnt mean it is the team's fault.
He will be gone after Mexico, has to be the only reason the team as still being positive about him right now. Just look at all the other Red Bull drivers that were fired for way less.
Red Bull has no qualms about dropping drivers before their home race. The real reason Perez is still safe in Red Bull (for now) is that Tsunoda likely is deemed not good enough and Ricciardo's been injured so hasn't been able to get a rythm and show he should be in Red Bull. Lawson, obviously, lacks experience and Red Bull isn't putting a rookie next to Verstappen again.
Yeah, but it would make sense to wait until Ricciardo is back up to speed, promote him, and then give the AT seat to Lawson. On the other hand there were some rumors that Ricciardo's participation was part of AT's pitch to sponsors so moving him might not be on the cards for next season.
I find it hard to believe that AT's sponsor situation would even factor into that decision in any meaningful way, RB can easily cover any loss of sponsorship if it ultimately benefits the performance of RBR.
They've gotten rid of drivers for far less, genuinely stroll/mazepin level performance, its a small miracle hes still in the car
2022 was understandable as Leclerc was in great form for most of the season and Ferrari had the fastest or equally fastest car until the TD in Spa.
Decide his retirement from motorsports, more like
Really will be surprised if he returns to the RB next season. It feels more and more like Lawson should get the second Alpha Tauri seat and Riccardo return to RB
I hope RB is just waiting for Ricciardo to drive a bit and show what he has shown in the simulators and for the Mexican GP to be over. Perez has to go, he doesnt deserve that car.
That will 100% be the case. They have implied it since moment they said Riccardo was putting in times comparable to Verstappen.
Pierre Gasly only missed q3 twice in his 12 races at Red Bull
And the first one was an absolute failure on his amateur race engineer who isn’t even in F1 anymore
Never ever remember me of Mike f*cking Lugg, the same guy who was demoted in 2020 to a "role inside the factory" once he was also making dubious calls for Albon. And later he was gone out of the Red Bull family and the guy basically become invisible.
What was so bad about him?
Well mutiple things. First of all he was a rookie engineer back in 2019 what isn't ideal if you driver is also new in the team. That obvious isn't a direct case to write someone off but Mike Lugg was often making very dubious calls, for example he putted Albon in a compromised traffic position often during qualifying despite there was a good window to let him do a normal qualifying program. Another example is the horrible way he put Gasly in during his first race at Australia, something what Gasly still was having nightmares from 2 years later, at least. Also from what I did hear is that during set-up adjustments Mike Lugg barely listened to driver feedback and just solely making adjustments based on his own view. If Gasly was asking for an adjustment at the front wing for example Lugg was adjusting the rear meanwhile doing nothing at the front. The dynamic between those two was non-existing and with Albon it looked like the dynamic was still bad and that Red Bull realized that the issue wasn't just "the driver". Funny thing what I found noteworthy is that Gasly never told he wanted to go back at Red Bull again until Mike Lugg was gone as a race engineer at Silverstone 2020, sometimes the best clues are hidden in the details.
To add to this, Lugg is now Technical Director at Envision Racing in FE. And for more context: Lugg was hired by Red Bull from some feeder series (British Formula 3) that Ricciardo previously drove and won the championship in. Lugg was hired as an enticement to get Ricciardo to re-sign, and it was expected that he’d be Ricciardo’s new race engineer in 2019. Ricciardo didn’t sign, but they’d already hired Lugg to be a race engineer, hence how he got placed with Gasly. His only F1 experience prior to 2019 was whatever pitwall training/shadowing Red Bull had him do to prepare for the role. Gasly did confirm in 2020 that he asked for Lugg to be replaced but was refused. Red Bull ultimately replaced Lugg at Albon’s request in 2020 as you mentioned.
Personally I always wondered how Gasly would be if he wasn't stuck with Mike Lugg, it's likely one of those type of open questions what makes you wondering.
People always talk about successful driver - engineer partnerships, but they never talk about the failed partnerships, which is a shame because I think there’s something to be learned in studying those failures.
I’ve forgotten for some reason, but why did he lose the RB seat so quickly?
Got lapped by max, crashed into Albon, contributed 63 points, barely more than 25% of the team’s total (max had 178), consistently 3 tenths down on max, crashed by himself a bunch of times. So by the same standards Checo should be gone.
Was his first year and had far less experience overall
And also a significantly slower car relative to the competition
Basically the same type of issues as we seen later at the RB16 the year after, despite that Red Bull solved a lot of issues with the RB15 with a big upgrade packet at....Spa! Max is amazing in terms of adaptability.
The only difference between Gasly/Albon and Checo is that Checo has México's richest man sponsoring him. Carlos Slim has been Forbes top 10. So it's basically a paid seat.
It was just after Riccardo left, they had high expectations, nowadays they lowered the bar
He had conflicts with Newey and some other people in the team. That's why he was never considered there again.
Get ready to get an MBA, buddy
Be giving a talk at Harvard before we know it.
U joke, but I respect Latifi a lot for going down that route. He could easily have gone to another series and raced, but he realised he isn't good enough, so he wants to create an impact elsewhere. Remember that Horner was a racing driver once? Look at how much he has achieved since.
Toto too. Just because you can't win a race in F1 doesn't mean your race is over.
I mean he’d definitely be good enough for other series if he wanted to, but he probably just wanted to explore other avenues in life.
I mean, I'm sure Latifi could have gotten a cushy, high paying, easy job at one of his father's companies, straight out of F1. But he decided to go back to school, which I have to say, I respect!
Ruthless 💀
Gasly and Albon were fired for less and had excuses being inexperienced
And the RBs they had were not close at all to the one Perez has. I would argue he has been worse than Albon and Gasly.
Albon and Gasly drove also with way less stable cars, plus having the excuse of being "fresh" F1 drivers. Perez is underperforming harder but this doesn't get exposed harder because the simple fact that the RB19 is a dominant car. How many times has Albon and Gasly outqualified Perez now this season?
> I would argue he has been worse than Albon and Gasly. One doesn't need to argue about this, as he is OBJECTIVELY WORSE than Albon and Gasly.
Lets be honest, the only reason Checo is still in RBR is because he's lucky enough that there isn't a second best team. If he was 3rd or 4th with this absolute stinker of a season, he would've been back in Mexico, watching the F1 on tv.
Because they’re looking for the next Bottas, not the next Rosberg. The current situation at Alpha Tauri shows it pretty well.
This. This angle isn't being talked about enough.
It can't be stated enough how happy he should be that he has a contact for 2024 already.
Knowing RB, those contracts mean nothing.
He’d still get a payout as a consolation
And out of a seat forever. I can’t imagine any other team picking him up.
Kevin Magnussen still has a seat, Lance Stroll still had one. If Andretti gets approved, hiring a Mexican driver to start their entry would be smart from an investor standpoint, from a fan standpoint and having a Veteran name driving could also prove beneficial.
> Lance Stroll still had one Lance has a seat because of his father, come on.
There is no chance he is reaching his performance clauses at the moment, which usually goes both ways. Something like this should be his Waterloo.
Imagine not finishing P2 in the championship with this car.. WTF is he doing..
At least last year when he lost P2 to Charles, Charles had a big points advantage at the start of the season before Ferrari messed things up. This season Red Bull have been dominant since race number one, and it will be way worse if he doesn't finish P2.
And Hamilton hasn't been in the second best car in almost any race either. He's mostly been in the 3rd best car every weekend.
Smoking the same stuff that Stroll is
I actually have a lot more sympathy for Stroll than Perez.
So he can still lose p2 in the championship and fail to get in Q3 for half the races this year. Neat.
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This would be a year to remember if Max and RB didn't break F1.
Nah bro Albon got kicked out for less in a way inferior car. Get this guy out.
albono would cook in his place
I think after albon, RB realized it's not easy being max's teammate. And now they have the luxury to keep him longer
Red Bull ideally would be a good final stop for Alonso or an aging vet who's already had a stint as a #1. Feels like this is why Ricciardo is an ideal choice since he's at an acceptance stage of his career
Would love to see Alonso in Red Bull, both of them showing the difference between a world champion and mid driver
Jeez, no need to do Verstappen dirty like that /s
Imagine them somehow getting Alonso, Seb coming back and Mercedes challenging RB next year.
said this in 2021 that RB should have kept Albon but nobody agreed with me back then.
They should have not promoted him to Red Bull so early. It was a killer move for a rookie with 12 races in F1 who had also never even tested an F1 car before that.
Albon was a better driver than perez and I am confident stats and percentages would support my claim but I can't be arsed to find meaningless stats late at night
Man who has lost all hope loses last additional bit of hope he didn't realise he had.
Embarrassment isn't enough to describe his situation
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Keeping the RB seat for next year would be a miracle. To keep the best seat on the grid after peforming this badly
Think RB has been compromised by Daniel being out so they had to set 2024 in stone, when they probably wanted to have the option to bring him into RB after evaluation this season. But I’d be 100% sure he’ll be a mid season drop if Daniel comes back strong next year and he doesn’t improve.
There is still enough races for them to make that call.
Daniels injury seems like the best thing that could have happened to Checo lol.
Daniel will still have a few races to stake his claim. As long as he performs decently well and Perez has 1-2 more weekends like this I think the switch will be inevitable.
This was actually better for red bull. They get to evaluate Ricciardo and Lawson. I think Lawson did enough to earn his chance. If Danny Ric delivers when he is back, I think it's a no brainer to make the change for 2024.
My conspiracy theory is that RB has pushed Ricciardo to take a longer recovery so that Lawson can maximize seat time in exchange for probably an assurance that he is in the RB seat mid-24 or 25. One of the biggest complaints recently is that rookies don't get enough seat time to be able to get up to speed and Lawson will come into AT with so much experience now.
I'm a Checo fan but think that's 100% it, the plan was to get Danny to make Checo shit himself, if he didn't improve Danny was in for '24... and then he went and broke his wrist forcing them to delay it
I cannot believe how many people argued yesterday it was not possible for Perez to finish below Hamilton for 2nd given the car advantage he has. It is so obvious that does not matter.
Mercedes are on the upswing right now. For RBs sake I hope Perez loses 2nd place and then they are forced to make a decision for 2024.
I’d argue, McLaren are on the upswing, Mercedes has been about this spot from a long time. Perez is the one that’s on a downswing.
Maybe what they meant is "it *shouldn't* be possible" given the car advantage.
If Ricciardo hadn't suffered the hand fracture, I think RB would be preparing everything to get him in the second seat for the next race.
get retired kimi or seb in the rb19 and they would do better
Man I would love to see Kimi in that car. Haha
Just imagine Mika getting back in F1 again - and out performing Perez. How wild would that be?
Perez said fuck it i want DOTD on sunday again
> Perez said fuck it i want ~~DOTD~~to be a wrecking ball on sunday again FTFY
Still he deserves to be nominated as DOTD... Destroyer of the day.
Just handed Lewis second place 🤞🏽
Yeah but his car is different than Max’ car God i hope /s is obvious here
Perhaps a software issue. Might need to update the driver.
Nah, it’s mechanical for sure. Gotta fix the nut behind the steering wheel.
An error with the steering wheel actuator…
If Ricciardo somehow gets points at COTA, Marko is just gonna say, "Fuck this." and leave Checo at the airport after the race. "Here you go, Danny. A slightly used RB19. Enjoy."
Marko is either gonna completely shit on him in the interviews or sonething along the lines of "I'm sure he'll make places in the race".
Driver of the day merchant.
IT'S TIME TO GO!!!
Beyond embarrassing...
man is on a mission
Honestly Checo is at the stage now were I feel like dropping him would be a mercy (like Albon in 2020)
It’s just so amateurish and so unlike a driver with 12 years in F1. Don’t push the track limits when you just need the banker and the car is so far ahead of the rest. He’s so lucky Daniel was ruled out because that’s the only reason why he’s been resigned for 2024 and even then they’ve probably considered firing him early.
But he did need to push, he was so slow that his banker lap was 13th, and his push (too) hard lap only barely made 10th place.
Just end the misery already
The replay on F1TV made it seem like he still had a tire on the white line tho?
I imagine it was a different turn where he was out.
[Yeah it was the next corner](https://i.imgur.com/HMkGN8a.png)
turn 5 they said
Could be they showed the wrong replay, not the first time that's happened before.
Like last race where they kept showing the replay of him going past cars on pit exit under safety car and then it turned out he got the penalty for overtaking Alonso before pit entry
Bet it’s on another corner
Must be tough. Give him a better car and I’m sure he’d improve.
Is that daniel ricciardo’s music?
Likely thing for him to do.
[Perez on his way out! RB predicted it.](https://reddit.com/r/formula1/s/MwtUvCNwrq)
Easy fix: Ric or Yuki in RB, Lawson and Yuki or Ric in AT.
So the 2020 Racing Point was definitely the 2nd best car that year, wasn't it?
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Against the W11 ? 0 chance
Bro got that seat cause every other team fumbled Bahrain 2.0 and he miraculously won a race and everyone with half a brain was able to tell from the get go.
I said it in another post, but I will say it here, Perez simply needs to find better team with the faster car, this one is not good enough.
Am not even surprised.
I wouldn't be surprised if Daniel would get into the RBR and Lawson keeps his seat in the AT.
To be 1 second off your team mate in the same car is crazy. Not sure how he can keep his seat for next year at this rate.
I'm a Checo fan but I'm tired of this, just cancel next year and retire.
But he races good and brings home point. Horner somewhere probably.
I feel for him knowing he's been mentally struggling this year, but this just can't go on in a dominant car like that.
Checo is only still in that seat because Red Bull want the WDC 1-2. And with the way Checo is going that's also slipping.
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Imagine RB deciding to ditch Perez just before the Mexican GP. Would never happen but I would love to watch the scenes.
Makes you appreciates Bottas so much more. But from a fan’s perspective, this opens up opportunities for an occasion podium visit by other teams.
Helmmuuuttttt please calm down!
The fact we're no longer surprised by this is quite something...