I'm sure this was mentioned somewhere, but it's quite funny that Martin did a slight introduction on the passing-by Jo Bauer during his grid walk this time, and then something big happened after the race.
That reminds me too that during Ted's notebook, Jo was passing by in the background, with what I felt, at the time, was a very serious face. It felt a bit weird, because I thought he would be like, relaxed since all the work for the weekend are done. And then the bombshell drops.
I think there will be a feature with Jo Bauer on Sky soon.
I don't fully understand why only the top four drivers' planks were inspected. It would make sense that if DQs happen in the sample of top runners, the sample size should be extended. Clearly it's an issue if the planks of *two different teams* were found to be out of spec. At the very least, the checks should be extended to their teammates if not the entire running field.
I'm strongly of the opinion that these sprint weekends are leaving teams with no defensible way to test and set up their cars for the main event. The calls of "cheating" are unfounded without there being a wider investigation. Even if Sainz and Russell's planks were out of spec, this is still not proof of that. It simply underlines that a single FP session on its own isn't sufficient. With 2-3 FP sessions, it would then be reasonable to consider that the ride heights of the cars were massaged against regulation.
What an absolute shitshow this turned out to be after a great race. Credit to all of the drivers for putting on a great show, the FIA managed to make a pig's ear out of it *again*.
Autosport explained that the cars aren’t randomly selected for a check. They use the cars vertical oscillation sensors, as well as their eyes, to look for cars likely in breech of the regulations. That’s why in past races there has been between 0 and 2 cars checked - sometimes no cars are worthy of a proper investigation.
It seems this race they pretty much knew Lewis and Charles would be illegal from those data. It appears they also checked Lando and Max to avoid accusations of bias.
I think if George and Carlos cars were close to the limit they would also have been checked. As it was, it seems they didn’t.
Thanks for the clarification! I'm hoping that the cause of these issues is placed firmly where it should lie; the sprint weekend format. It should be abundantly obvious - even to the FIA - that teams need to be setting up cars according to analysis from FP, not based on "best guess" or conservative values that hamper ultimate performance. F1 isn't about conservative running!
[Sure](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-can-of-worms-opened-by-hamilton-and-leclercs-f1-us-gp-disqualifications/10536696/).
Worth being clear that they haven’t specifically commented on this weekend, but it gives an idea of how they got there.
> The FIA can zero in on which cars to single out for further inspection based on a variety of indicators.
> In the case of a worn floor, a beaten-up titanium skid plate gives off a strong smell that can arouse suspicion from the pitwall. A better read is the onboard footage, which the FIA will monitor to see if drivers’ heads are wobbling as a result of bottoming out over bumps.
> Following the high-profile return of porpoising amid the adoption of ground effects for 2022, the FIA also now measures the vertical oscillations in the car to ensure the drivers are not put at risk from vibrations.
> Should a car attract attention for these excessive movements, then the technical delegate will be inclined to investigate further.
I know some of you will just say “because he sucks”, but I would like to hear, am I the only one that noticed that Checo was not even trying?? He was just there not attacking, not passing, just driving. The cars he passed was only because they pitted or were just slower (Leclerc). He never tried to get closer to Sainz.
I agree he’s not at Max level, but he’s not this passive.
Anyone listened to the onboard?
I like how aggressive he can be with his driving but it has gotten the best out of him in recent races (Japan for example). I feel like he is trying to be more calm with his driving style after all the penalizations and accidents he's been involved in.
yawn zzzzzzzz same old max winning shit
no one even has a chance against this fucking guy now
no one even can catch him
i watched the cup race which was way more exciting than this
even ferrari had a chance earlier this year but not anymore
Investigated. The rules are not very specific, so they determined that he in fact had not broken any rules.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/lance-stroll-us-gp-blunder-stewards-decision
Since the team ran out, put the car on skids and pushed it back to the pit lane, they determined that embarrassment was enough /s
(Since they fixed the mistake, technically no rule was broken. Just a violation of the standard 'process', which is to pit after the reconnaissance laps)
The only good things to come out of this race were the hate towards Sprints & the Sargeant point. Otherwise, it's just sad. Lando couldn't stay ahead, & Lewis got completely shafted by Mercs on literally every department.
Why is not a thing for the planks to be returned to the FIA after the race? I thought that was a standard but apparently not. I find odd to verify 4 cars, DSQ 2 and the other 16(well except ocon) to be fine
Yesterday morning, I was wondering why Max never got booed like Vettel did, when he was dominating F1 with Red Bull. I decided that was because Vettel was waving his finger in the "We're Number One" manner and that really stuck in the craw of many F1 fans. Max Verstappen has never wagged his finger like that, so before the 2023 race at COTA, you never heard the fans boo him.
>Max Verstappen has never wagged his finger like that, so before the 2023 race at COTA, you never heard the fans boo him.
Nope, he just changed his car number to 1, hardly the same thing
Lol I know, I was just being cheeky. I've heard people complain about Max doing it because they consider it to be ego-driven or whatever.
As if you could possibly become a Formula 1 driver without at least *some* kind of ego. It's practically required, not unlike being an actor or a stand-up comedian.
No that isn't the definition of cheating. Put it this way: You are taking an exam. One of the rules states you can't have any food or drink at your desk other than water. You have a water bottle filled with gin. You are breaking the rules, but not cheating. If you take a bathroom break and google the answers, then it's cheating.
It would technically be cheating yes... I'm not saying it was intentional but doing something that causes a breach in the rules is cheating.
Both events described are unfortunate but they breached the rules by having something set up wrong in the car.
The DQs just shows the denseness D2S has brought to the sport. Social media platforms are overflowing with some of the dumbest takes from superficial fans.
Is this not...what the skid plate is there for on the cars? I come from DTS and am confused with your comment. The outcome feels cut and dry from the release I read.
Understanding that the rules are the rules and the rule book is much thicker than the script for a D2S season is not the "best take" it's just the obvious take.
Why? Beating Max on track and being on the podium is what Lewis clearly wants. If he did that (at a track he loves with a great crowd) i dont think he would mind as much if they took it away in a meeting later in the day. He'd still have his first win on track in 2 years. Being 2nd when he could have won and then have it taken away is going to feel like more a lost chance for him.
How do you know it isn't?
And even if it isn't surely he should still get some credit for **genuinely** trying to spread a positive message
No winning with some people
It is almost like the last 3 years have been the FIA making excuses for every violation Red Bull has had…. They just admitted a few weeks ago that Max should have been given multiple penalties in Singapore but wasn't given any.
Red Bull got penalized for the budget cap breach in a way that was outlined by the agreement ALL TEAMS signed for. RB's floor followed FIA spec accordingly as far as we know, we've never seen any proof of them running an illegal floor. AD21 was not on Red Bull.
So aside from Singapore - which is a flaw in the stewarding system that everyone can agree on - what EXACTLY did RB get away with?
Indeed. Only the FIA can let everyone celebrate and then fuck it over.
What’s more annoying - I bet lots of others would also have excessive skid block wear. If Charles did yet had mediocre performance (comparatively) then I’m certain it’s nothing Mercedes did with the upgrade and everything to do with the single practice and bumpy track.
I think it was a combination of the sprint weekend set up & bumpy track. But ultimately, it falls on the teams to ensure their setup will last the entire weekend.
Indeed. But that’s made harder with only one practice session. And we don’t know how many other teams also fell foul of the rule because they only sampled 4 cars (50% of which failed).
What irks me is the randomness for which such scrutineering is done (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-can-of-worms-opened-by-hamilton-and-leclercs-f1-us-gp-disqualifications/10536696/):
“ The sporting regulations permit technical delegate Jo Bauer to carry out “at his discretion, any checks to verify the compliance of the cars entered in the competition”.
Accordingly, no cars had their floors checked following the Japanese GP, one was looked at after the Qatar sprint race and three cars assessed in the immediate aftermath of the full-length Qatar GP. “
Insane results for Yuki today. Singlehandedly just gave AT a good chance to finish above last place, and with one more lucky race they could be in with a shot at P8.
As a new fan as of the last few years, track limits fiascos and this latest floor DQ are really turning me off to the sport.
It's not that I want there to be less rules, or let the drivers race off track or have dangerous setups. It just makes the races miserable to watch if the penalties aren't immediately applied and noted, and barely any of the infringements are shown to audience. Why watch the race when (from the TV viewer's perspective) penalties are applied randomly or only after another driver snitches.
I'm sure they'll check the plank wear during the race to make you feel better.
It's not common, they gave the teams a chance to argue, then the penalty for applied. People complaining are out of line on this one.
Even for old fans the track limits are lame. At least it seems the fia and f1 agree and they're really working on a solution to improve the track limit stuff.
Disqualifications are fairly rare and it's somewhat impressive considering teams always push the limits of the regulations and modify their cars throughout the season. It does feel bad for fans when it happens though.
Technical infringements leading to DSQs aren't that common, but are a factor across all motorsport. Today was a pretty good race, but I think the track limits thing is getting a little frustrating.
Had a discussion about this in a different thread. Reasons to bring the practically new car this weekend: 1) next week in Mexico Ollie Bearman is doing FP1 to satisfy rookie requirement, don't want a rookie in a new car, 2) data for 2024 car is better with 5 races rather than 4, 3) Guenther said "why wait?", every race the rest of the year has weird stuff, i.e. altitude in Mexico, Brazil is also a Sprint, etc.
also shows that what people claimed that Red Bull is cheating, it is the other way round. I think a few races back, Max car was selected out of the 20 cars and FIA did a full-inspection, all parts are in compliant.
They were hedging by having him on the one stop strategy then held him out way after it was not going to work hoping for a SC or VSC plus he had some damage.
Hamilton now needs 40 points more then Perez in four races.
In other words, assuming Perez doesn’t become the Mexican Torpedo again, congrats to Checo for getting P2
My napkin math says if Lewis gets P2 in every upcoming event, he needs Perez to not get higher than P6 in the sprint and two races, and P5 in the other two races. That would give him a 1 point lead. (Assuming no fastest lap for either driver).
Don’t all the teams before the race have to report the ride heights and everything to the FIA? Wouldn’t they have noticed the lower heights and said something.
Not the FIA's responsibility. What if the team has found a trick to run this low without damaging the floor?
Also, how would the FIA know what's too low?
Cars also respond to this in different ways, like if you think back to the really bad porpoising days Red Bull could run low without the car constantly slamming into the ground while other cars couldn’t.
Do we need to have another discussion about whether or not COTA meets the standards for certification? It's another year and another round of discussion from drivers about how bumpy the track surface is. And now it is contributing to 2 drivers being DSQd... I understand that the teams can just compensate for it by adjusting the ride height, and I think the DSQ for Hamilton and Leclerc is fair given the rules, but this has been a discussion point regarding COTA for more than 5 years now... The track was nearly removed from the schedule because it was not meeting standards and it only managed to stay because they did a bunch of resurfacing (which COTA had asked what the "minimum" they could do and still be certified).
I like the tracks having differing levels of surfacing, it’s an interesting angle to designing the cars to specialize in certain ways. It’s the cars and the new regs’ bouncy suspension issues that should be looked into imo.
I’m very glad max’s 50th came with him holding off a charge on shit brakes while screaming at his engineer rather than him losing to Hamilton and then getting it on a DQ.
Some pretty toxic stuff of the US public..
I did not watch the race yet. Is it worth to watch, or more like one of those races that you can skip without missing a lot?
It was actually a great race that engaging till the final lap
Awesome, will rewatch then
I'm sure this was mentioned somewhere, but it's quite funny that Martin did a slight introduction on the passing-by Jo Bauer during his grid walk this time, and then something big happened after the race. That reminds me too that during Ted's notebook, Jo was passing by in the background, with what I felt, at the time, was a very serious face. It felt a bit weird, because I thought he would be like, relaxed since all the work for the weekend are done. And then the bombshell drops. I think there will be a feature with Jo Bauer on Sky soon.
I don't fully understand why only the top four drivers' planks were inspected. It would make sense that if DQs happen in the sample of top runners, the sample size should be extended. Clearly it's an issue if the planks of *two different teams* were found to be out of spec. At the very least, the checks should be extended to their teammates if not the entire running field. I'm strongly of the opinion that these sprint weekends are leaving teams with no defensible way to test and set up their cars for the main event. The calls of "cheating" are unfounded without there being a wider investigation. Even if Sainz and Russell's planks were out of spec, this is still not proof of that. It simply underlines that a single FP session on its own isn't sufficient. With 2-3 FP sessions, it would then be reasonable to consider that the ride heights of the cars were massaged against regulation. What an absolute shitshow this turned out to be after a great race. Credit to all of the drivers for putting on a great show, the FIA managed to make a pig's ear out of it *again*.
Autosport explained that the cars aren’t randomly selected for a check. They use the cars vertical oscillation sensors, as well as their eyes, to look for cars likely in breech of the regulations. That’s why in past races there has been between 0 and 2 cars checked - sometimes no cars are worthy of a proper investigation. It seems this race they pretty much knew Lewis and Charles would be illegal from those data. It appears they also checked Lando and Max to avoid accusations of bias. I think if George and Carlos cars were close to the limit they would also have been checked. As it was, it seems they didn’t.
Thanks for the clarification! I'm hoping that the cause of these issues is placed firmly where it should lie; the sprint weekend format. It should be abundantly obvious - even to the FIA - that teams need to be setting up cars according to analysis from FP, not based on "best guess" or conservative values that hamper ultimate performance. F1 isn't about conservative running!
If you don’t mind, could you please let me know which Autosport article has these details.
[Sure](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-can-of-worms-opened-by-hamilton-and-leclercs-f1-us-gp-disqualifications/10536696/). Worth being clear that they haven’t specifically commented on this weekend, but it gives an idea of how they got there. > The FIA can zero in on which cars to single out for further inspection based on a variety of indicators. > In the case of a worn floor, a beaten-up titanium skid plate gives off a strong smell that can arouse suspicion from the pitwall. A better read is the onboard footage, which the FIA will monitor to see if drivers’ heads are wobbling as a result of bottoming out over bumps. > Following the high-profile return of porpoising amid the adoption of ground effects for 2022, the FIA also now measures the vertical oscillations in the car to ensure the drivers are not put at risk from vibrations. > Should a car attract attention for these excessive movements, then the technical delegate will be inclined to investigate further.
Thanks a lot dude! This is really so fascinating.
I know some of you will just say “because he sucks”, but I would like to hear, am I the only one that noticed that Checo was not even trying?? He was just there not attacking, not passing, just driving. The cars he passed was only because they pitted or were just slower (Leclerc). He never tried to get closer to Sainz. I agree he’s not at Max level, but he’s not this passive. Anyone listened to the onboard?
I like how aggressive he can be with his driving but it has gotten the best out of him in recent races (Japan for example). I feel like he is trying to be more calm with his driving style after all the penalizations and accidents he's been involved in.
Haven't listened to his onboards, but I have a feeling he has already been told what's to happen next year. That's why he has resigned to his fate.
Crazy that Merc cheated and couldn't close the gap to Max driving a car with no brakes.
tbf brakes only slow you down
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yawn zzzzzzzz same old max winning shit no one even has a chance against this fucking guy now no one even can catch him i watched the cup race which was way more exciting than this even ferrari had a chance earlier this year but not anymore
We had to deal with the same shit with Mercedes for years and years so at least it's a different driver shitting on everyone.
Dude didn't even watch the race
If the Merc team didn't botch everything possible, Hamilton could have won the race
Wondering how competitive he'd have been if his car was set up correctly enough to not get DQ'd
Whatever happened to Stroll’s start infringement that was being investigated later in the race?
Investigated. The rules are not very specific, so they determined that he in fact had not broken any rules. https://www.planetf1.com/news/lance-stroll-us-gp-blunder-stewards-decision
Since the team ran out, put the car on skids and pushed it back to the pit lane, they determined that embarrassment was enough /s (Since they fixed the mistake, technically no rule was broken. Just a violation of the standard 'process', which is to pit after the reconnaissance laps)
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More laps = more wear on the plank. The sprint was too short for this to be a concern.
The only good things to come out of this race were the hate towards Sprints & the Sargeant point. Otherwise, it's just sad. Lando couldn't stay ahead, & Lewis got completely shafted by Mercs on literally every department.
Lando did mention that they weren’t going to be strong in this circuit because of the slow speed corners
Why is not a thing for the planks to be returned to the FIA after the race? I thought that was a standard but apparently not. I find odd to verify 4 cars, DSQ 2 and the other 16(well except ocon) to be fine
Fucking Americans booing max, what's that shit he won fair and square, not his biggest fan but he's not a villain, he deserves to have his moment.
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Defo seemed like Verstappen, on fact the Boks got louder even he lifted the trophy.
Booing the guy they enthusiastically voted for?
Austin is a blue city, the most liberal city in Texas. Trust me we fucking hate the guy.
To be fair, a LOT of Texans hate that guy.
I assume F1 fans aren't nearly as red as the Nascar fans.
Yesterday morning, I was wondering why Max never got booed like Vettel did, when he was dominating F1 with Red Bull. I decided that was because Vettel was waving his finger in the "We're Number One" manner and that really stuck in the craw of many F1 fans. Max Verstappen has never wagged his finger like that, so before the 2023 race at COTA, you never heard the fans boo him.
He was booed in Miami as well. The US crowd down like him it seems. Wait until Vegas, he will be booed there as well, if/when he is on the podium.
Oh, he's definitely been boo'd before
>Max Verstappen has never wagged his finger like that, so before the 2023 race at COTA, you never heard the fans boo him. Nope, he just changed his car number to 1, hardly the same thing
The number 1 is reserved for the previous years champion it's seen as an honor to have it. Lewis wanted to keep his 44 branding so he never took it.
He used it in 2009 after his first championship win.
They only started allowing drivers to choose a number since 2014
Lol I know, I was just being cheeky. I've heard people complain about Max doing it because they consider it to be ego-driven or whatever. As if you could possibly become a Formula 1 driver without at least *some* kind of ego. It's practically required, not unlike being an actor or a stand-up comedian.
Doubt that, more likely the drive to survive fans.
At least they didn't trow a kitty at Max..
Not that I expected an American flag to be up on the podium, but at least they were all red, white and blue...
You forgot yellow
Podium, which was before the disqualifications.
Ah, you meant literally. My bad
Maybe Charles isn't unlucky, Sainz is just really lucky?
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I also say 'cheating' isn't what should be said. They ran their setup too low, which grinded the plank down, and they paid the price for it.
They broke the rules is that not the definition of cheating weather intentional or not and that's why they were disqualified
No that isn't the definition of cheating. Put it this way: You are taking an exam. One of the rules states you can't have any food or drink at your desk other than water. You have a water bottle filled with gin. You are breaking the rules, but not cheating. If you take a bathroom break and google the answers, then it's cheating.
So with your logic, Vettle was cheating in 2021 when he was disqualified after finishing the race with too little fuel left in his tank?
Yes, they started the race with a weight saving.
Not how that happened.....
It would technically be cheating yes... I'm not saying it was intentional but doing something that causes a breach in the rules is cheating. Both events described are unfortunate but they breached the rules by having something set up wrong in the car.
And I would argue cheating is knowingly doing something that violates sporting regulations to gain an unfair advantage
"cheating" eh?
The DQs just shows the denseness D2S has brought to the sport. Social media platforms are overflowing with some of the dumbest takes from superficial fans.
Because it's F1, there is nothing to talk about in the race. This BS has been going on in F1 for 50 years.
Is this not...what the skid plate is there for on the cars? I come from DTS and am confused with your comment. The outcome feels cut and dry from the release I read.
Not like us though, right? We're the *real* fans and we have the best takes. 😎
Understanding that the rules are the rules and the rule book is much thicker than the script for a D2S season is not the "best take" it's just the obvious take.
How can you possible try to say “the rules are the rules”? The FIA have allowed multiple rules violations with no punishment all season long.
Don’t bother with these D2S fans
Scriptwriters really pulling everything out to try and make this season interesting after Max has been dominating.
If there was a script, Alonso would be taking part in the Actors strike
Please put our Monaco boy on sucide watch 🫠
I am now officially a logan sargeant point enjoyer
Never thought I’d say this, but I am so glad Lewis didn’t win yesterday
Why? Beating Max on track and being on the podium is what Lewis clearly wants. If he did that (at a track he loves with a great crowd) i dont think he would mind as much if they took it away in a meeting later in the day. He'd still have his first win on track in 2 years. Being 2nd when he could have won and then have it taken away is going to feel like more a lost chance for him.
He was disqualified. If he won and was DQ'd it'd be a repeat of 2021
A win being taken away due to DSQ would be worse
About every track is his favorite track and the fans are the best everywhere for this poser.
The audacity of him to try to be relentlessly positive
Would be nice, if it was genuine.
How do you know it isn't? And even if it isn't surely he should still get some credit for **genuinely** trying to spread a positive message No winning with some people
It's absolutely genuine. The man loves racing and the fact that people pay to watch him race is something which I would imagine gives him great joy.
Right but one of his actual favourite tracks is COTA.
Can you imagine the absolute shit storm on social media?
just wanna say that conspiracy theorist would have been out in full force today is Max's car wasn't checked.
Oh, they already are. They're out there bitching about the flexifloor, the budgetcap, AD21...it's a cesspool out there.
It is almost like the last 3 years have been the FIA making excuses for every violation Red Bull has had…. They just admitted a few weeks ago that Max should have been given multiple penalties in Singapore but wasn't given any.
Red Bull got penalized for the budget cap breach in a way that was outlined by the agreement ALL TEAMS signed for. RB's floor followed FIA spec accordingly as far as we know, we've never seen any proof of them running an illegal floor. AD21 was not on Red Bull. So aside from Singapore - which is a flaw in the stewarding system that everyone can agree on - what EXACTLY did RB get away with?
Your hate boner is showing. Bumblebee tuna
I do tend to have problems with people who routinely get away with breaking the rules and then get rewarded for it. Guilty as charged.
Well, what a waste of time last night (cf. the whole weekend) was as a Lewis supporter.
You got to see him have his best race in 2 years though.
Well I went to sleep happy at least.
Indeed. Only the FIA can let everyone celebrate and then fuck it over. What’s more annoying - I bet lots of others would also have excessive skid block wear. If Charles did yet had mediocre performance (comparatively) then I’m certain it’s nothing Mercedes did with the upgrade and everything to do with the single practice and bumpy track.
I think it was a combination of the sprint weekend set up & bumpy track. But ultimately, it falls on the teams to ensure their setup will last the entire weekend.
Indeed. But that’s made harder with only one practice session. And we don’t know how many other teams also fell foul of the rule because they only sampled 4 cars (50% of which failed). What irks me is the randomness for which such scrutineering is done (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-can-of-worms-opened-by-hamilton-and-leclercs-f1-us-gp-disqualifications/10536696/): “ The sporting regulations permit technical delegate Jo Bauer to carry out “at his discretion, any checks to verify the compliance of the cars entered in the competition”. Accordingly, no cars had their floors checked following the Japanese GP, one was looked at after the Qatar sprint race and three cars assessed in the immediate aftermath of the full-length Qatar GP. “
Bit strange to blame the FIA on that.
People don't know the difference, FIA is the equivalent of the boogeyman
If only Mercedes and Ferrari had set up their ride height correctly
Was it the FIA or Mercedes messing up the setup?
If only they had time to do so. We’ll never know how many others also fell foul because only a few cars are tested.
Gutted that we missed a carlando podium celebration
Same
Insane results for Yuki today. Singlehandedly just gave AT a good chance to finish above last place, and with one more lucky race they could be in with a shot at P8.
Stroll P20 to P7* (P9 before DQ's) went relatively under the radar.
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Max's was checked too, goofball
The first 4 driver got checked (Max, Lewis, Norris and Charles)
They did check it
Well, Mclaren focusing on hard tires was a shit strat.
They didn't have any new mediums left.
Keep the tires stock is part of the strat too.
and?
As a new fan as of the last few years, track limits fiascos and this latest floor DQ are really turning me off to the sport. It's not that I want there to be less rules, or let the drivers race off track or have dangerous setups. It just makes the races miserable to watch if the penalties aren't immediately applied and noted, and barely any of the infringements are shown to audience. Why watch the race when (from the TV viewer's perspective) penalties are applied randomly or only after another driver snitches.
In the early 2000s, drivers got DSQd much more regularly. I'm glad they're upholding the rules
Selectively upholding the rules you mean
I feel like the most recent was when Seb got DSQd for not enough fuel. Which was a while ago.
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Plank wear is something that never comes up because everyone is usually on top of it. This is a MASSIVE fuckup.
I'm sure they'll check the plank wear during the race to make you feel better. It's not common, they gave the teams a chance to argue, then the penalty for applied. People complaining are out of line on this one.
Even for old fans the track limits are lame. At least it seems the fia and f1 agree and they're really working on a solution to improve the track limit stuff. Disqualifications are fairly rare and it's somewhat impressive considering teams always push the limits of the regulations and modify their cars throughout the season. It does feel bad for fans when it happens though.
Technical infringements leading to DSQs aren't that common, but are a factor across all motorsport. Today was a pretty good race, but I think the track limits thing is getting a little frustrating.
Tell that to the drivers who keep steeping out of the track.. Yes, it's that simple
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Shark tanks would keep them on track
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Had a discussion about this in a different thread. Reasons to bring the practically new car this weekend: 1) next week in Mexico Ollie Bearman is doing FP1 to satisfy rookie requirement, don't want a rookie in a new car, 2) data for 2024 car is better with 5 races rather than 4, 3) Guenther said "why wait?", every race the rest of the year has weird stuff, i.e. altitude in Mexico, Brazil is also a Sprint, etc.
Can Ferrari, Rb and Mercedes campaign now to stop sprint weekends ?
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Max would still win, but Alex would finish 2nd
Tony Stewart would agree
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also shows that what people claimed that Red Bull is cheating, it is the other way round. I think a few races back, Max car was selected out of the 20 cars and FIA did a full-inspection, all parts are in compliant.
Red Bull is "cheating" with Adrian Newey, he is just better than everybody else :v
take pencil off Adrian Newey now!
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Left brake duct failure: https://scuderia.alphatauri.com/en/us-gp-race/ Though I don't think the one stop strategy helped
They were hedging by having him on the one stop strategy then held him out way after it was not going to work hoping for a SC or VSC plus he had some damage.
The pipes were calling
Damage to front brake duct apparently.
He got damage or caught some debris that affected his race
Hamilton now needs 40 points more then Perez in four races. In other words, assuming Perez doesn’t become the Mexican Torpedo again, congrats to Checo for getting P2
My napkin math says if Lewis gets P2 in every upcoming event, he needs Perez to not get higher than P6 in the sprint and two races, and P5 in the other two races. That would give him a 1 point lead. (Assuming no fastest lap for either driver).
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I dont think he has? isnt it Norris P2 Carlos P3?
He means in the WDC
ohhh, understood
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Wow, the post race stuff is more exiting than the actual race.......
There needs to be a scientific inquiry into Charles Leclerc’s bad luck.
My theory that he made a deal with the Devil for fame, wealth, and beauty but at the price of happiness looking stronger with each passing year.
It's called Plan B
Plan D for disaster
Its called Ferrariitis
It’s obvious he messed up his wish when he found the magic lamp and wasn’t specific enough about winning races when he made the wish
/#CursedBoyyo
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we are checking..
there is no need, he drives for Ferrari
We're checking.
Question
Don’t all the teams before the race have to report the ride heights and everything to the FIA? Wouldn’t they have noticed the lower heights and said something.
Not the FIA's responsibility. What if the team has found a trick to run this low without damaging the floor? Also, how would the FIA know what's too low?
The ride height while standing still is much higher than it is at speed with downforce loading up the suspension.
Cars also respond to this in different ways, like if you think back to the really bad porpoising days Red Bull could run low without the car constantly slamming into the ground while other cars couldn’t.
Do we need to have another discussion about whether or not COTA meets the standards for certification? It's another year and another round of discussion from drivers about how bumpy the track surface is. And now it is contributing to 2 drivers being DSQd... I understand that the teams can just compensate for it by adjusting the ride height, and I think the DSQ for Hamilton and Leclerc is fair given the rules, but this has been a discussion point regarding COTA for more than 5 years now... The track was nearly removed from the schedule because it was not meeting standards and it only managed to stay because they did a bunch of resurfacing (which COTA had asked what the "minimum" they could do and still be certified).
How very Texas of them to do the bare minimum.
I like the tracks having differing levels of surfacing, it’s an interesting angle to designing the cars to specialize in certain ways. It’s the cars and the new regs’ bouncy suspension issues that should be looked into imo.
I’m glad Lewis didn’t win. Getting DQ’d from a victory would be the worst
I’m very glad max’s 50th came with him holding off a charge on shit brakes while screaming at his engineer rather than him losing to Hamilton and then getting it on a DQ.
that would give more dumb screams of race stolen, no doubt