As everyone else said, the Race turned out to be much better than expected. My obe complaint is that the race should have been much earlier so that we have at least some daylight to appreciate the setting.
Yes, the Vegas strip really shines at night, but from the broadcast you could barely make out the landmarks save for the Sphere due to all the safety barriers. Some daylight would have served the race well in drawing attention to the setting.
I was thinking along the lines of the actual structure of the buildings. The signage are absolutely landmarks unto themselves, but the shape of all of the hotels and casinos are just as iconic and help better sell the uniqueness of this race.
Bc no one actually cares. The organizers will learn from the inaugural event, and make improvements for the future races.
People like you saying this just because you can't say "See! Told you the track and race would be shit!"
I had no pre conceived notions about what it would or wouldn’t be, and was actually quite excited.
Do not read into my comment what I have not said. Incredibly lazy of you.
Thank heavens for Leclerc who saved us from a total snoozefest at the front. Max needed to run cars of the road, ram into them, and obstruct them in the pit lane, plus get help from clumsy Perez to get the job done.
I was skeptical going into the race because the track map looked uninspired, but this ended up being a lot of fun. Charles really looked like he had the pace to win it all until the safety car came out.
Same shit as Mexico. Why didn’t the pit to cover the RB? Ferrari strategists looking at the timing screen like “oh you’re ahead, let’s stay out.”
Unreal. Another wasted pole.
By now, Charles las the lowest rate of pole to win in F1 history. While Max has the highest rate of pole conversion. It is interesting that Max is responsible for most of Leclerc's non-conversions. And these two knew and raced each other since they were children and competing in karting.
After the shit show on Thursday, I must say I loved every other second of being here.
Qualy was cool and we were so close to the track compared with Silverstone for instance (I was in and about turn 6). Getting to the track was a dream as well!
The race was tense as a Max fan with the race going back and forth, the commentary and coverage was pretty good. Didn’t realise how much love there is for Charles out here, the only time people went mad was for him taking the lead and diving for 2nd on the last lap.
Defo coming back to Vegas but prob not for a race again. All in all a mega experience.
I’m shit at casinos.
Despite securing P2 in the drivers championship and somewhat recovering in form, I still believe Checo's time at RB is limited.
Last week it was Fernando and this week it was Charles that showed superior race craft against Checo which only highlights the fact that he can't exactly handle being under pressure.
Right now it's fine because the competition is still pretty far behind but if Ferrari is any indicator, then they will eventually catch up and RB WILL need a reliable driver that can adequately defend against the competition... and that isn't Checo.
Just caught up on that, what a race! So happy I managed to avoid spoilers all day. I can't believe it's actually a street circuit that's good for racing! I was wrong (and about 90% of everyone else here haha)!
We all agree the race was great but like Baku, next years race can be total shit. This race was good in part because of the cold mixed with new asphalt and the tire issues. Some of the best races elsewhere have been on wet but drying tracks, on inters.
I wouldn't compare it to Baku. Baku is awful for racing, it's full of right angles corners that are near impossible to overtake on, you have the boring DRS passes down the main straight and that's it. Vegas seems like it could hold its own without any of the jeapordy, even the DRS zones were well placed to promote exciting overtaking, rather than just the DRS pass and that be it.
He was only on Hards all race. Regulation says you must use at least 2 types of compounds over the course of the race. He had to switch to something other then Hards, otherwise be disqualified.
Interesting how ESPN/ABC demoted this race. Miami, Montreal, Austin and Mexico were all broadcast live on ABC and rebroadcast on ESPN2. This one was live ESPN and will be repeated on ESPNNews.
Yeah I was wondering if they had like infomercials or something which made them a good chunk of money, but I just looked at the schedule and it was just news specials about innocuous topics (not like current events or something).
Damn great race even with all the malarkey going on before hand. Hope it’s a little earlier next year and with no issues. I do like the need to adjust car setups and strategies to accommodate this race with its low grip and cold track though.
>accommodate this race with its low grip and cold track though.
I was thinking the same thing "guys my tires are cold"/"I can't get heat", Great deal with it.
Did anyone watch that race? Who was the race time for. How does starting a race at 10pm California time good for ratings anywhere in the world? Were they trying to give the Australian market a primetime race?
Not if you’re in UK or Ireland, where it’s literally not available. I pay for sky sports so I can record, but sky is mostly a rip off and I’m sure lots of people can’t afford it/don’t want to pay.
What country do you live in? Does F1 race in your country? When F1 shows up to race in your country do you enjoy it when they schedule it in the middle of the night?
What does recording and watching it later have to do with live TV ratings for a sports event?
There have been thousands of conversations about this, but it was a compromise between European viewers, the desire for a night race, and the needs of the city itself. I watched it the morning after, just like I have to do for the East Asian/Australian races. It’s not ideal, but it’s also not that big of a deal.
Europeans already get a lot of races close to their time zone. I don't agree with us (Americans) having three races in our country but if we are going to have one... Having the race start at 1pm EST and midnight for CST which makes up 80% of our population is atrocious.
Yeah. I think if they want three races here to grow the US market, they need to actually commit. I don’t mind it too much because it’s just like some other races for me, but it is kind of dumb from a business perspective.
As an American I think it’s stupid we have 3 races to begin with. Then add in the fact that they put this race during the middle of a much larger American sports season (American football) and have the race at night when no one in America can watch it. This race should have been in Macau.
Can we drop Miami and just reschedule the LVGP instead? I feel like if any US circuit should get cut, it should be the parking lot "street circuit", rather than one of the few tracks that produced an entertaining race this year.
I’ll bet more Americans watched this than will watch a race in Macau, shitty start time and all.
E: I do hope they’ll fully commit next year and make it a few hours earlier. It’ll be hard for the Europeans, but that’s life when following an international sport.
It ought to be possible to timeshift it bit for Europeans, since you'd watching it straight from bed. Normally you have to avoid newspapers, and the sports news during the day, but in morning you can go there straight from bed. Thank you MsStr
I was VERY skeptical of the track , thinking that there would be few passing opportunities. The race proved me wrong and provided passing opportunities which required skill and courage. One of the better races of the year.
Yes, it would be great if they could take some of the Vegas out of the show but still far better than Miami which resembled the Cocaine Dealers 500, absent only Hunter .
Texas and Las Vegas as US races plus Montreal and Mexico City provide a lot of racing.
As for the race time , the start was 0600 Sunday GMT, out here in the colonies we deal with that for most of the European F-1 races.
Miami was solid this year, too. One of the better races of the first half, IMO. We had verstappen’s charge to the front to start his streak, the end of the Perez challenge for the title, those fights between Charles and KMag were also entertaining. It wasn’t the best race of the year by any stretch, but it was probably in the top half.
I think Team Red Bull really doesn't like variance and uncertainty leading up to the race that could mess with them nailing the setup of their dominant-by-default car (like what happened in Singapore). Every other team has had bad setups, then bad weekends and its NBD relative to RB screwing up.
So I think that's why Christian Horner and Max Verstappen have shit on Sprints and LV's GP...because they are unpredictable and reduce practice time...up to the point they win them and then they are cool races for RB 😆
Christian never shat on this race and only said he wished they sorted the times out because they are all knackered. Max definitely shat on the race before the race and I think it’s because he’s being asked to do a shitload of media commitments. He’s a traditionalist and grew up in F1 and what he said definitely has substance but I do think he went a bit overboard this weekend.
Vegas also needs to tone down some of the BS. It will be interesting to see how the race works next year.
What was unexpected to me was the number of places where passing required an immense amount of car control (and courage) ,
It will be interesting to see if the F-1 generated business is worth the cost to the city and businesses. No doubt the girls of the Spearmint Rhino are hoping the race will return.
Actual racing was fantastic, but the track atmosphere felt lifeless and boring. It felt like this could have been any city in the world on TV, nothing about the track makes it feel like Vegas.
Short of changing the actual track so it goes through the bellagio, I think they need something to make it feel more like it’s actually in Vegas. I don’t like the late night darkness, I think a race that started 30 minutes prior to sunset and went on through dusk would be fantastic
Yah, but I think any race atmosphere is going to be bad on a cold night. The only thing that will help that is to make it at a warmer time of the year and absolutely has to start before sunset. If they want night to work they need to make it much cheaper so they get a party atmosphere. Imagine if Monaco was on a cold night lol. Would be unwatchable. Err... More unwatchable
For Vegas the timing works well, after the race tens of thousands of folks ready to go out and spend money (food, gambling, shows, girls etc) for most of the night.
Vegas is GMT-8 so an earlier race would in the middle of the European night. It's also effective in keeping the visitors in Vegas for another night .
Ted said on Teds Notebook that the race will probably always be the week before thanksgiving because it’s the quietist time of year in Vegas and Vegas needs to sell hotel rooms.
It may as well have been based on some random industrial estate, with the amount of actual character and atmosphere there was. The only thing reminded you it was in Vegas was the occasional hotel shots.
That was a damn good race. However, I do hope that they tone down the theatrics in following years and make ticket prices more affordable.
It will be interesting to see how this race evolves for drivers and spectators as they smooth out the kinks. And for the love of God, please make the start time earlier. It gets dark before 7pm in Vegas this time of year. They could even schedule this race a month or so earlier so that the likelihood of it being more important in terms of standings would make it even more exciting.
I wish they'd switch Miami and Vegas in the calendar. Miami is like 70-80F (21-27C) all year round, all day all night. But Vegas isn't. It gets cooler in the fall/winter. By May, the low is still like 60 (16C), but the highs are already in the 80s (27C).
But I suppose that'd be difficult because of the NFL. Football season is already in full swing in November. And the Miami race is obviously outside of Hard Rock Stadium.
Another thing to note is that November I believe is a relatively slow month for Vegas. Having the race be around this time (especially just before Thanksgiving) certainly helps the city out.
This was an amazing race made even more enjoyable by the fact my expectations had been lowered by the weekend's prior events! This could become one of the most anticipated street circuits of the year if the organizers learn from this year's mistakes and mishaps and feedback.
Just finished the race, it was unexpectedly good.
Man, i got 2nd hand embarrassment for that poor RB mechanic who got into the limo with Checo & Charles and had to get out. Driving them to the Bellagio just for the interviews & back was so stupid. But I loved the Podium and that slot machine graphics looked so slick.
Overall, a good racing track. The LV backdrop looked absolutely gorgeous. If only they tone down the other antics a bit.
After today, If I have to drop one US gp, it'll be Miami.
Multiple fast straights, tricky tight corners sprinkled in, high desert at night during winter months, as soon as I saw that track, I knew it was going to have the potential to shake things up. On top of it all, it was an amazing spectacle. The shots from FP2 really highlighted the speed on this track. After watching FP2, I was insanely excited to watch this race live.
It had a number of turns where with proper skill and courage you could go offline and make a pass but at some risk of dire consequences. This in contrast to so many of the street courses where there is really only one line through the corner.
What a race! My buddy came by so we could watch it together (1am start for us) Glad we chose this one. Great street circuit, wide enough for different lines, hard braking, cold enough for the tires to last. It delivered a once-every-few-seasons race where action happened every lap. The post race was a bit of a cluster. I suppose they had to kill time to set up that mobile podium. I'm surprised with a virtually unlimited budget they didn't have a better setup. I'd also like to mention the scenery. The Strip looked excellent, and the directors seemed to get some nice aerial shots. All flash, but the substance to match. This really needs to be the season finale.
Possibly the race of the season out of nowhere. I know everybody hated all of the pomp around the weekend, but the quali and race definitely delivered.
I'm on the East Coast and can't believe I managed to stay up and finish the race. Was worth it though, that was a great race! Some really great camera angles as well that show the speed the cars dive into a corner with.
Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised with how this whole thing turned out even if it was a bit of a rough landing.
The camera angles were awesome, probably helped by the presence of the high buildings . Putting the podium drivers in a closed car was someone's stupid idea.
On a scale of 1-100
Miami - 5
Vegas and Texas. 90
For me, It was because they were driving "backwards" down the strip. Generally I think about Vegas as going from MGM towards Treasure Island, but they were going the opposite direction.
In the game it’s the only track where I need the racing line around corners, the starts and stops of the corners feel like they come out of nowhere. But that‘s probably just unfamiliarity.
Now I think about, if Ferrari pitted Leclerc, he could've still won the race.
He would've been just behind Checo with equal tires. He was generally quicker than Checo. Less warmup issue with fresh tire he probably would pass Checo quickly and could build some gap to Max when Max was passing cars to catch up to the lead.
Not a guarantee but a pretty good chance of winning.
The pace off Max was scary on the hards. Was not expected the mediums to fall so fast fore Max. Even their data on practice was good. The wing level change was maybe reason.
That would be extraordinarily harsh in situations similar to Carlos Sainz's hit on Alonso at the Australian restart this year.
That the issue when you tailor penalties to each incident. You quickly and reasonably get accused of bias.
5 seconds is the standard penalty for an incident like this. There's an argument that penalties should be stricter in general but according to the rules as they are right now it was the appropriate penalty.
>Also, why don't they just make them out and serve immediately?
I think you're describing a 5 second stop and go penalty which does exist but is for much more severe incidents.
Same shit max has always done. When he can't just drive off with a superior gas pedal he shoves everyone off the track. They've been letting him do it for years and he'll never stop
Typically drivers do not get punished for things that happen at the start because tires have cooled down and everyone is close together.
But this was clearly Verstappen’s fault so he got the usual penalty. That penalty ended up costing him two places.
All of the drivers reported no grip. Oil spill playing antics even after cleanup. Also, while i haven't rewatched it myself, some people are saying that Leclerc wouldn't have made the corner anyway, also braking too late (again haven't verified this, just seen multiple people mention this).
Also, the driver has the opportunity to give the position back. If you start to penalize too hard for not doing so, then you'll start seeing teams ordering drivers to give positions back out of caution, even when their move turns out to be legal. That's not preferential either.
5 seconds is perfectly reasonable here for lap 1 turn 1 with low grip. Still a penalty, but it's reasonable.
Now, that doesn't mean the aren't are situations where a harder penalty is justified. For example, at Monza, George Russell cut the chicane after pitting, overtaking Ocon, and clearly just decided to eat up the penalty, even though it was very clear cut. That should have been a 10 second penalty, or maybe even a drive-through.
From what I saw it wasn't a grip issue. Charles was going wide and Max purposely pushed him even farther out. Then essentially laughed as he was handed a penalty after being allowed tomlead for like 10 or so laps. The penalty made no impact on his race and they knew it. It should have been harsher for something so blatant.
If it was a grip issue they wouldn't have even given a penalty for that first corner. I do agree it might have been harder to get tighter there, but I think it was intentional. They just split the difference and gave the minimal
Please. No driver goes wide himself intentionally. You risk losing positions to cars behind. In general, saying drivers do stuff intentionally is ridiculous.
And no, grip issues are still the responsibility of the driver. You have to judge your grip. Plenty of cases where drivers have gotten penalized despite lack of grip.
> No driver goes wide himself intentionally
Absolutely not true. Rosberg austria 2016? That's one example. Lewis in Silverstone is another one, Max in Brazil 2021...
Hah. Ok mate. Believe what you want. Honest question, have you ever been in an open wheel race? Because I find often people like you who have this weird lofty view of drivers are the ones who have never been in a race before.
What has Leclerc done to deserve so much bad luck.
Would have loved to see where Norris and Alonso ended up with out the early incidents
As everyone else said, the Race turned out to be much better than expected. My obe complaint is that the race should have been much earlier so that we have at least some daylight to appreciate the setting. Yes, the Vegas strip really shines at night, but from the broadcast you could barely make out the landmarks save for the Sphere due to all the safety barriers. Some daylight would have served the race well in drawing attention to the setting.
Correct analysis
I figured they didn’t want anyone to see Vegas in the daylight bc it’s not exciting without the lights
What landmarks did you have trouble seeing that didn't have their name lit up in giant letters spelling it out?
I was thinking along the lines of the actual structure of the buildings. The signage are absolutely landmarks unto themselves, but the shape of all of the hotels and casinos are just as iconic and help better sell the uniqueness of this race.
It's kind of frustrating that it being an entertaining race has made people forget about the (valid) criticisms of the weekend.
I think everyone’s hoping much of this was teething pains and next year it won’t be as bad
Bc no one actually cares. The organizers will learn from the inaugural event, and make improvements for the future races. People like you saying this just because you can't say "See! Told you the track and race would be shit!"
I had no pre conceived notions about what it would or wouldn’t be, and was actually quite excited. Do not read into my comment what I have not said. Incredibly lazy of you.
Great race and alot of passing. Very fun to watch need more low grip circuits IMO
Thank heavens for Leclerc who saved us from a total snoozefest at the front. Max needed to run cars of the road, ram into them, and obstruct them in the pit lane, plus get help from clumsy Perez to get the job done.
Why did RB put a high DF wing on Perez car? Just to slow him down?
Different driving styles. Max preffers oversteer and a slightly loose back end. Checo doesn't.
Perez did not want to move to a lower DF wing, while Verstappen did. Careful, don't wrinkle your tinfoil hat.
To give him more grip to battle through the midfield.
That makes no sense. All the passing is done in the DRS zone, especially with such a long straight.
Then why not remove the rear wing entirely ?
You'd have such low grip you would generate lift
I was skeptical going into the race because the track map looked uninspired, but this ended up being a lot of fun. Charles really looked like he had the pace to win it all until the safety car came out.
If Ferrari had stayed out on the medium longer they might've won it
Same shit as Mexico. Why didn’t the pit to cover the RB? Ferrari strategists looking at the timing screen like “oh you’re ahead, let’s stay out.” Unreal. Another wasted pole.
By now, Charles las the lowest rate of pole to win in F1 history. While Max has the highest rate of pole conversion. It is interesting that Max is responsible for most of Leclerc's non-conversions. And these two knew and raced each other since they were children and competing in karting.
After the shit show on Thursday, I must say I loved every other second of being here. Qualy was cool and we were so close to the track compared with Silverstone for instance (I was in and about turn 6). Getting to the track was a dream as well! The race was tense as a Max fan with the race going back and forth, the commentary and coverage was pretty good. Didn’t realise how much love there is for Charles out here, the only time people went mad was for him taking the lead and diving for 2nd on the last lap. Defo coming back to Vegas but prob not for a race again. All in all a mega experience. I’m shit at casinos.
What did you try to at the casinos haha
Oh so you rich rich
>I’m shit at casinos. You know how to leave Vegas a millionaire? Arrive as a billionaire
> only time people went mad people want a race. a strong competitive fight for the lead is what we want. underdog gets cheers.
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I'll admit the race was better than expected. But I also agree that the event shouldn't exist.
Despite securing P2 in the drivers championship and somewhat recovering in form, I still believe Checo's time at RB is limited. Last week it was Fernando and this week it was Charles that showed superior race craft against Checo which only highlights the fact that he can't exactly handle being under pressure. Right now it's fine because the competition is still pretty far behind but if Ferrari is any indicator, then they will eventually catch up and RB WILL need a reliable driver that can adequately defend against the competition... and that isn't Checo.
Not paying attention at the end of the race and getting passed by Leclerc, was not a good look for him.
The length of straights and bigger wing did make him a bit of a sitting duck, to be fair.
Yeah but he didn't choose to take defensive lines. Especially in that final overtake.
Just caught up on that, what a race! So happy I managed to avoid spoilers all day. I can't believe it's actually a street circuit that's good for racing! I was wrong (and about 90% of everyone else here haha)!
We all agree the race was great but like Baku, next years race can be total shit. This race was good in part because of the cold mixed with new asphalt and the tire issues. Some of the best races elsewhere have been on wet but drying tracks, on inters.
I wouldn't compare it to Baku. Baku is awful for racing, it's full of right angles corners that are near impossible to overtake on, you have the boring DRS passes down the main straight and that's it. Vegas seems like it could hold its own without any of the jeapordy, even the DRS zones were well placed to promote exciting overtaking, rather than just the DRS pass and that be it.
I’m only comparing in the sense that the first race was great and the test not so good
What was the point of getting out Piastri for a tire change 5 laps before the end? He lost 6 positions to gain one point for the fastest lap.
He was only on Hards all race. Regulation says you must use at least 2 types of compounds over the course of the race. He had to switch to something other then Hards, otherwise be disqualified.
With only 6 laps left, why not just go for softs?
The softs were completely useless. Yuki had them at the start and started dropping places after a couple of laps
Right, I haven't paid attention while watching 🙃
Was he in the top 10 before the pit?
But I found that he hadn't used two different types of tire so he had to pit one more time
4th
The fireworks post race was better than the 4th of July Vegas fireworks by a mile
Interesting how ESPN/ABC demoted this race. Miami, Montreal, Austin and Mexico were all broadcast live on ABC and rebroadcast on ESPN2. This one was live ESPN and will be repeated on ESPNNews.
I wonder if it’s cause of the time
Yeah, first time since 2018 that a U.S. race has not aired on ABC. They said due to the late time.
Which makes no sense.. ABC doesn't have much national programming that can't be skipped on a Saturday night/early Sunday morning
Yeah I was wondering if they had like infomercials or something which made them a good chunk of money, but I just looked at the schedule and it was just news specials about innocuous topics (not like current events or something).
Stations are required to broadcast so many hours of “public interest” programming every week. They were probably running through their quota.
Damn great race even with all the malarkey going on before hand. Hope it’s a little earlier next year and with no issues. I do like the need to adjust car setups and strategies to accommodate this race with its low grip and cold track though.
>accommodate this race with its low grip and cold track though. I was thinking the same thing "guys my tires are cold"/"I can't get heat", Great deal with it.
Spare a thought for the workmen who will have to go out un-cementing all those holes.
They don’t have to, until they need to get to one of the water valves underneath.
They are getting paid to do their job.
Yes, and this job probably sucks.
So does mine. Most do to some degree or another
Well, it's their choice.
Just get a better job /s
That doesn't make it better.
It should... otherwise do something else
Did anyone watch that race? Who was the race time for. How does starting a race at 10pm California time good for ratings anywhere in the world? Were they trying to give the Australian market a primetime race?
It was 1am to 3am for me and I didn’t mind staying up for it. Great race!
Anyone but the USA mostly..
Asians / Australians. Same UTC time as their daytime races.
Perth Australia here, 2pm was awesome
How does that compare to the Melbourne start time? Roughly the same time?
Perth is +8 like Beijing/Hong Kong/Singapore Melbourne is +11 with daylight savings
I watched it because it was on 8pm my time. (Hawaii) Edit: One of the few times I can watch a live race.
I watched a recording of the race. I get wanting to run in the lights - but they could've started so the race ended after sunset.
That would have been at about 3am for Europe though which is by far their biggest audience.
Yeah exactly. The race started roughly 7 hours after sunset.
How in the year 2023 do you not have the ability to record tv programs
Most any serious F1 fan has a subscription to F1 TV pro.
Some of us are broke and live in the third world
Not if you’re in UK or Ireland, where it’s literally not available. I pay for sky sports so I can record, but sky is mostly a rip off and I’m sure lots of people can’t afford it/don’t want to pay.
Get a VPN. Then subscribe to F1 TV.
They've been really cracking down on VPNs lately, might not be possible
Does it not have a replay option? Lmao
Pro does
It's 2023 .. DRM is everywhere. The only way to record tv programs now are through illegal means.
Ok dude idk where you live but in Canada every cable provider has a built in recording function
It's 2023.. nobody has Cable. Also, plenty of live events are restricted from that record function now even on set-top boxes.
Also I have literally never encountered DRM on my cable box for any sport or program.
Then how do you watch the races. Online? It’s not hard to find them lol
What country do you live in? Does F1 race in your country? When F1 shows up to race in your country do you enjoy it when they schedule it in the middle of the night? What does recording and watching it later have to do with live TV ratings for a sports event?
There have been thousands of conversations about this, but it was a compromise between European viewers, the desire for a night race, and the needs of the city itself. I watched it the morning after, just like I have to do for the East Asian/Australian races. It’s not ideal, but it’s also not that big of a deal.
Europeans already get a lot of races close to their time zone. I don't agree with us (Americans) having three races in our country but if we are going to have one... Having the race start at 1pm EST and midnight for CST which makes up 80% of our population is atrocious.
Yeah. I think if they want three races here to grow the US market, they need to actually commit. I don’t mind it too much because it’s just like some other races for me, but it is kind of dumb from a business perspective.
As an American I think it’s stupid we have 3 races to begin with. Then add in the fact that they put this race during the middle of a much larger American sports season (American football) and have the race at night when no one in America can watch it. This race should have been in Macau.
Can we drop Miami and just reschedule the LVGP instead? I feel like if any US circuit should get cut, it should be the parking lot "street circuit", rather than one of the few tracks that produced an entertaining race this year.
I’ll bet more Americans watched this than will watch a race in Macau, shitty start time and all. E: I do hope they’ll fully commit next year and make it a few hours earlier. It’ll be hard for the Europeans, but that’s life when following an international sport.
It ought to be possible to timeshift it bit for Europeans, since you'd watching it straight from bed. Normally you have to avoid newspapers, and the sports news during the day, but in morning you can go there straight from bed. Thank you MsStr
I set my alarm for 6am, but it either didn't go off or didn't wake me up, so I avoided all news and socials until the 9:30am re-run on Sky.
Las Vegas GP was everything that F1 has been missing in 2023, a challenger to Max Verstappen.
I was VERY skeptical of the track , thinking that there would be few passing opportunities. The race proved me wrong and provided passing opportunities which required skill and courage. One of the better races of the year. Yes, it would be great if they could take some of the Vegas out of the show but still far better than Miami which resembled the Cocaine Dealers 500, absent only Hunter . Texas and Las Vegas as US races plus Montreal and Mexico City provide a lot of racing. As for the race time , the start was 0600 Sunday GMT, out here in the colonies we deal with that for most of the European F-1 races.
If Vegas has good racing next year they should boot Miami.
Miami was a good race this year, at least. It's racey for what it is.
They should boot it anyways. They won't, but they can easily find a grade 1 track to use instead of a parking lot
Miami was solid this year, too. One of the better races of the first half, IMO. We had verstappen’s charge to the front to start his streak, the end of the Perez challenge for the title, those fights between Charles and KMag were also entertaining. It wasn’t the best race of the year by any stretch, but it was probably in the top half.
It’s a mid race and Vegas delivers on the showmanship spectacle aspect 10x better. I just don’t see a reason for keeping it around.
Eh. We’ve seen two races. One was meh, the other was better than most this year. Doesn’t sound like a great reason to get rid of it, either.
I think Team Red Bull really doesn't like variance and uncertainty leading up to the race that could mess with them nailing the setup of their dominant-by-default car (like what happened in Singapore). Every other team has had bad setups, then bad weekends and its NBD relative to RB screwing up. So I think that's why Christian Horner and Max Verstappen have shit on Sprints and LV's GP...because they are unpredictable and reduce practice time...up to the point they win them and then they are cool races for RB 😆
Christian never shat on this race and only said he wished they sorted the times out because they are all knackered. Max definitely shat on the race before the race and I think it’s because he’s being asked to do a shitload of media commitments. He’s a traditionalist and grew up in F1 and what he said definitely has substance but I do think he went a bit overboard this weekend.
Vegas also needs to tone down some of the BS. It will be interesting to see how the race works next year. What was unexpected to me was the number of places where passing required an immense amount of car control (and courage) , It will be interesting to see if the F-1 generated business is worth the cost to the city and businesses. No doubt the girls of the Spearmint Rhino are hoping the race will return.
Have you seen any reports about the economic impact as yet? I have heard that very little income trickled down from the skyboxes.
Actual racing was fantastic, but the track atmosphere felt lifeless and boring. It felt like this could have been any city in the world on TV, nothing about the track makes it feel like Vegas. Short of changing the actual track so it goes through the bellagio, I think they need something to make it feel more like it’s actually in Vegas. I don’t like the late night darkness, I think a race that started 30 minutes prior to sunset and went on through dusk would be fantastic
Yah, but I think any race atmosphere is going to be bad on a cold night. The only thing that will help that is to make it at a warmer time of the year and absolutely has to start before sunset. If they want night to work they need to make it much cheaper so they get a party atmosphere. Imagine if Monaco was on a cold night lol. Would be unwatchable. Err... More unwatchable
For Vegas the timing works well, after the race tens of thousands of folks ready to go out and spend money (food, gambling, shows, girls etc) for most of the night. Vegas is GMT-8 so an earlier race would in the middle of the European night. It's also effective in keeping the visitors in Vegas for another night .
Ted said on Teds Notebook that the race will probably always be the week before thanksgiving because it’s the quietist time of year in Vegas and Vegas needs to sell hotel rooms.
It may as well have been based on some random industrial estate, with the amount of actual character and atmosphere there was. The only thing reminded you it was in Vegas was the occasional hotel shots.
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I don’t even know about that last part…
Vegas proves Miami GP has no business being on the calendar
That was a damn good race. However, I do hope that they tone down the theatrics in following years and make ticket prices more affordable. It will be interesting to see how this race evolves for drivers and spectators as they smooth out the kinks. And for the love of God, please make the start time earlier. It gets dark before 7pm in Vegas this time of year. They could even schedule this race a month or so earlier so that the likelihood of it being more important in terms of standings would make it even more exciting.
I wish they'd switch Miami and Vegas in the calendar. Miami is like 70-80F (21-27C) all year round, all day all night. But Vegas isn't. It gets cooler in the fall/winter. By May, the low is still like 60 (16C), but the highs are already in the 80s (27C). But I suppose that'd be difficult because of the NFL. Football season is already in full swing in November. And the Miami race is obviously outside of Hard Rock Stadium.
Another thing to note is that November I believe is a relatively slow month for Vegas. Having the race be around this time (especially just before Thanksgiving) certainly helps the city out.
This was an amazing race made even more enjoyable by the fact my expectations had been lowered by the weekend's prior events! This could become one of the most anticipated street circuits of the year if the organizers learn from this year's mistakes and mishaps and feedback.
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Been good battles behind Max. Mclaren amazing turn around. Fernando made podiums. Almost had a chance to win Monaco. Stay salty.
Just finished the race, it was unexpectedly good. Man, i got 2nd hand embarrassment for that poor RB mechanic who got into the limo with Checo & Charles and had to get out. Driving them to the Bellagio just for the interviews & back was so stupid. But I loved the Podium and that slot machine graphics looked so slick. Overall, a good racing track. The LV backdrop looked absolutely gorgeous. If only they tone down the other antics a bit. After today, If I have to drop one US gp, it'll be Miami.
not even a proper limo, they just stuffed them 3-wide across the backseat of a stock rolls royce
Most interesting race of the year. Too bad it meant nothing wrt the championship.
Good tracks rarely produce good races.
Everything leading up to this race was a complete disaster, but the actual race itself was great surprisingly.
Awesome race. Awesome race track. Awesome venue lights. Sin city delivered!!!
I don’t think I will ever understand how this track produced a race that good. It makes no sense.
Multiple fast straights, tricky tight corners sprinkled in, high desert at night during winter months, as soon as I saw that track, I knew it was going to have the potential to shake things up. On top of it all, it was an amazing spectacle. The shots from FP2 really highlighted the speed on this track. After watching FP2, I was insanely excited to watch this race live.
It had a number of turns where with proper skill and courage you could go offline and make a pass but at some risk of dire consequences. This in contrast to so many of the street courses where there is really only one line through the corner.
Lack of grip puts everyone on a slightly more even footing... Maybe they should race in the cold more often? LOL
With one under everyone's belt now (Teams & Vegas), next year might look extra spicy.
just ignore the negative hype from people who are desperate to seem smart lmao you'll have a much sunnier life, in general :😀
Why not? Tricky low speed corners followed by long straights are the perfect recipe for creating overtakes imo
What a race! My buddy came by so we could watch it together (1am start for us) Glad we chose this one. Great street circuit, wide enough for different lines, hard braking, cold enough for the tires to last. It delivered a once-every-few-seasons race where action happened every lap. The post race was a bit of a cluster. I suppose they had to kill time to set up that mobile podium. I'm surprised with a virtually unlimited budget they didn't have a better setup. I'd also like to mention the scenery. The Strip looked excellent, and the directors seemed to get some nice aerial shots. All flash, but the substance to match. This really needs to be the season finale.
Possibly the race of the season out of nowhere. I know everybody hated all of the pomp around the weekend, but the quali and race definitely delivered.
I'm on the East Coast and can't believe I managed to stay up and finish the race. Was worth it though, that was a great race! Some really great camera angles as well that show the speed the cars dive into a corner with. Overall, I'm pleasantly surprised with how this whole thing turned out even if it was a bit of a rough landing.
The camera angles were awesome, probably helped by the presence of the high buildings . Putting the podium drivers in a closed car was someone's stupid idea. On a scale of 1-100 Miami - 5 Vegas and Texas. 90
Anyone else have a hard time orienting themselves on this track?
For me, It was because they were driving "backwards" down the strip. Generally I think about Vegas as going from MGM towards Treasure Island, but they were going the opposite direction.
That makes so much sense. I’m always going to the Venetian, rather than coming from it.
In the game it’s the only track where I need the racing line around corners, the starts and stops of the corners feel like they come out of nowhere. But that‘s probably just unfamiliarity.
One of the hardest tracks in terms of braking for sure!
Do a few laps on the game, it helps a lot
Oh ive driven hundreds 😳👍
Now I think about, if Ferrari pitted Leclerc, he could've still won the race. He would've been just behind Checo with equal tires. He was generally quicker than Checo. Less warmup issue with fresh tire he probably would pass Checo quickly and could build some gap to Max when Max was passing cars to catch up to the lead. Not a guarantee but a pretty good chance of winning.
My guess is Ferrari expected Red Bull to pit only one car. Leclerc was surprised when Max told him both Red Bulls pitted.
The pace off Max was scary on the hards. Was not expected the mediums to fall so fast fore Max. Even their data on practice was good. The wing level change was maybe reason.
Much better race then I expected. They need to do away with the 5sec penalties, they are a joke. But Max def earned the win today
What would you replace 5s penalties with?
10 sec or stop and go. The 5 secs penalty is like not really a penalty to the faster cars.
That would be extraordinarily harsh in situations similar to Carlos Sainz's hit on Alonso at the Australian restart this year. That the issue when you tailor penalties to each incident. You quickly and reasonably get accused of bias.
Maybe, but Max running charles of track and passing him off track deserves more than 5 secs.
Do it how they did before. Give back the position, 10 seconds, drive thru, stop go.
Make them have to let cars pass and have an x place position drop during the race. Or drive through penalty within three laps.
Grid drop penalties
Only proper solution
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Regardless of the previous days … the race itself was exciting, fun and full of overtakes!!! I really enjoyed it 👍🏼
Personally I think Verstappen deserved a bigger penalty for his first corner antics. Also, why don't they just make them out and serve immediately?
5 seconds is the standard penalty for an incident like this. There's an argument that penalties should be stricter in general but according to the rules as they are right now it was the appropriate penalty. >Also, why don't they just make them out and serve immediately? I think you're describing a 5 second stop and go penalty which does exist but is for much more severe incidents.
FWIW he got 2 penalty points out of it too
Inconsequential
Same shit max has always done. When he can't just drive off with a superior gas pedal he shoves everyone off the track. They've been letting him do it for years and he'll never stop
He literally got a penalty for it
Typically drivers do not get punished for things that happen at the start because tires have cooled down and everyone is close together. But this was clearly Verstappen’s fault so he got the usual penalty. That penalty ended up costing him two places.
Make it into Drivethrough or unservable penalty
All of the drivers reported no grip. Oil spill playing antics even after cleanup. Also, while i haven't rewatched it myself, some people are saying that Leclerc wouldn't have made the corner anyway, also braking too late (again haven't verified this, just seen multiple people mention this). Also, the driver has the opportunity to give the position back. If you start to penalize too hard for not doing so, then you'll start seeing teams ordering drivers to give positions back out of caution, even when their move turns out to be legal. That's not preferential either. 5 seconds is perfectly reasonable here for lap 1 turn 1 with low grip. Still a penalty, but it's reasonable. Now, that doesn't mean the aren't are situations where a harder penalty is justified. For example, at Monza, George Russell cut the chicane after pitting, overtaking Ocon, and clearly just decided to eat up the penalty, even though it was very clear cut. That should have been a 10 second penalty, or maybe even a drive-through.
From what I saw it wasn't a grip issue. Charles was going wide and Max purposely pushed him even farther out. Then essentially laughed as he was handed a penalty after being allowed tomlead for like 10 or so laps. The penalty made no impact on his race and they knew it. It should have been harsher for something so blatant.
It could really be a grip issue. Fernando took the same line, spun and hit several cars, causing the safety car to come out.
If it was a grip issue they wouldn't have even given a penalty for that first corner. I do agree it might have been harder to get tighter there, but I think it was intentional. They just split the difference and gave the minimal
Please. No driver goes wide himself intentionally. You risk losing positions to cars behind. In general, saying drivers do stuff intentionally is ridiculous. And no, grip issues are still the responsibility of the driver. You have to judge your grip. Plenty of cases where drivers have gotten penalized despite lack of grip.
> No driver goes wide himself intentionally Absolutely not true. Rosberg austria 2016? That's one example. Lewis in Silverstone is another one, Max in Brazil 2021...
Those are the exact examples I thought of as well!
None of those were intentional - not even Max 21. They were all the result of poor judgement, but poor judgement != intention. Try again.
Hah. Ok mate. Believe what you want. Honest question, have you ever been in an open wheel race? Because I find often people like you who have this weird lofty view of drivers are the ones who have never been in a race before.