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CommercialBreadLoaf

Mercedes are looking rough. Struggling to keep the rear under control, both Hamilton and Russell had various off-track adventures


OForreta

Hamilton's move to Ferrari looks less and less like a gamble and more and more like an informed decision


shescarkedit

Ehh we'll see come 2026. Ferrari might be better right now but it'll be a complete reset when the regulations change.


nth_place

Forgive me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the new regulations more about the engine and the aero will be fundamentally the same or similar? Mercedes has had a strong engine but their current pains seem to be in understanding their aero package and correlation with CFD models, perhaps even how the aero and suspension work together.  I’d say that Ferrari have and will maintain an advantage because of these factors.


Dopium_Typhoon

This is not r/f1technical haha, but I totally agree. Given how visible Ferrari make their marketing in regard to buying talent from other teams, it’s evident they have some plan. If you put Mercedes under that same microscope, they seem to be scrambling from hope, nevermind grip.


ShadowStarX

also even if Ferrari bottles the engines at the start, they've shown to be able to recover as long as no token system is in place


RusticMachine

One thing that doesn’t change with new regulations is the organization, culture and their processes. Currently, one or more of those aspect is broken at Mercedes. It might be because they had a major brain drain or because they just lost “it”, but coming back from this is often more difficult for an organization than finding it in the first place. Things are still worsening, it might still get worse before it gets better.


shescarkedit

They literally won 8 consecutive constructors championships. Yeah they may not have found the trick with these current regulations, but they're still the same team. And it's not as if they're coming last - performance wise they're still one of the best teams on the grid.


RussianGlizzy

Def not the same team, at least personnel wise. Merc lost a few high level people over the last few years to Aston an Ferrari/Williams. I mean vowels was a big part of the merc era, he's gone.


Bluemikami

Not relevant. Ferrari has won several .. and look


HUHIs_AUTOATTACK

Yeah, they're more often than not fighting for podiums if not outright wins.


rieusse

On the contrary Ferrari are taking a massive gamble on Hamilton. I would not be surprised if he ends up a clear number 2 to Leclerc


TheDornado13

taking a gamble on the most successful driver in history, yeah okay


rieusse

Yeah, even the fastest drivers can’t escape aging, crazy I know


TheDornado13

both Lewis and Alonso are showing that is just nonsense. The old guys weren't the ones who didn't have the neck strength last race, that was the young kid, remember.


UbeMafia

Father time is undefeated.


rieusse

Yeah and Vettel showed otherwise, along with dozens of other drivers that lost their speed in their mid 30s. You literally have zero basis to know whether Lewis will slow down at 38,39,40 or any other age. But I do know it will happen at some point and that is a certainty. It’s only a matter of time. Btw Alonso is absolutely not as fast as he once was. If you don’t see that then you haven’t watched Alonso in his prime. Same with Lewis. The slowdown for both is already happening. Trajectory is anyone’s guess


grip_enemy

Speaks volumes of both Ham and Alonso, when they're not as fast as they once were and they're still the best drivers on the grid alongside Max. Ham finished 3rd last year, while Russell was stuck down in 8th. Same thing for Alonso, who destroyed Lance. Unless there's a new "Max" on the grid, then Ham is the safest bet. And even then the kid can be a fluke. We'll see if Mercedes got it right with Antonelli.


prietitohernandez

Lance is not the best benchmark, not even a decent benchmark. Anyone not a paydriver should be able to comfortably beat him if not they are just wasting a seat


ShadowStarX

while Lewis and Nando are still one of the top 5 best drivers, both are past their primes if you had seen 2012 Alonso or 2018 Hamilton, you would know that their current forms are nowhere near these two peaks


NovaIsntDad

They aren't hiring him for his raw speed, but his knowledge of what it takes to be a winning team. He could finish 10th every race and still be an asset. I say this as someone who's rooted against Hamilton every week. His value is so much more than just as a driver. 


rieusse

That’s worth something but not being the top paid driver on the grid. It’s borderline farcical to pay someone that kind of money if he isn’t the fastest driver on the grid. And Lewis won’t even be in the top 6 or maybe even 8 by the time he gets in a Ferrari for the first time.


ShadowStarX

>And Lewis won’t even be in the top 6 or maybe even 8 by the time he gets in a Ferrari for the first time. Lewis can test a lot in January with the F1-75 and SF-23


rieusse

I don’t think it will make much of a difference. It’s my take anyway. I’ve been saying this from the day Ferrari signed him and I want to be proven wrong. But let’s see. I’m just posting this for posterity because yes, i want to be that guy who said “I told you so” a year or two from now


ShadowStarX

I do think that Leclerc will beat him but I do not think that Lewis will be way off the mark


rieusse

Anything but 1st place is off the mark for the highest paid driver on the grid


ShadowStarX

if Ferrari are gonna be dissatisfied they just won't extend past 2027 and go on with Leclerc-Bearman or whatever the pairing


Gysbourne

Disregarding your take on how Hamilton could perform at Ferrari, you're ignoring the marketing power signing Hamilton has given Ferrari. From the signing news alone, their share price rocketed up ~10%. Marketing alone justifies his wage packet. That's before you consider the wealth of experience and feedback a 7 time works champion can bring to a team.


ijzerwater

that's not a driver's responsibility, but leadershop team general and TP specifically


proudlysydney

I’m sitting at turn 1/2 and the Mercs both look so unstable through there


123_alex

Thank you, Ted!


3359N

If we get another Leclerc pole and Verstappen win I will unfortunately be throwing myself into a canal


attackMatt

With or without cement boots?


Aethien

If it's a Dutch canal it won't matter, you'll end up impaled on a rusty bike frame either way.


ballimi

And in a Monaconian canal you'll be impaled on a rusty yacht


vonGlick

Hmm I think I prefer dutch canal then. Don't won't to get sued by some millionaire for damaging his sunk yacht.


n2bforanospleb

Most likely it'll be so shallow you'd still be able to stand up either way.


0000100110010100

Since I’m at the track I’ll sink into the lake for us both


carelesssportsfan89

Just watched a bloke chuck himself in the yarra river


0000100110010100

Oh fuck, he can see two days into the future


HkF1WEC

Lisan Al-Gaib!


mortuusstella

Take my upvote for that reference


Mordho

Very obscure reference indeed


endichrome

Have you heard of the indie movie Dune?


vonGlick

Something about agent Cooper riding a worm?


mortuusstella

Thought it was about the spice girls


Federal_Cupcake_304

He didn’t die but he has hepatitis now


ihavenoyukata

Do the French throw themselves in Canal+?


insurgentsloth

Only if they paid the subscription fee, otherwise they'll have to throw themselves in Canal Basic or Canal+ Free Trial


justmyname12

Only debate is on Leclerc pole. Verstappen win is not for discussion.


Apennatie

Leclerc looked fast in race pace. However, Verstappen seemed to go faster with every lap so yeah…


tr_24

What if it is Stroll win?


[deleted]

It’ll have been a fantastic race. 


Afternoon_Inevitable

Monkey paw curls, it's a extremely boring race with no overtakes. Podium celebrations happen as if nothing is wrong. Later it's found that every car ahead of stroll are disqualified because they were just underfueled and not enough fuel could be taken out of their cars for testing.


Lo-heptane

Don't give me Hungary 2021 flashbacks. Seb was robbed!


idontknow_whatever

Alonso will yeet himself into the lake at Albert Park


No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

Video, or it didn't happen.


According-Switch-708

Don't worry Max will be on pole. The sandbags will only be removed after FP3.


Turboleks

This is bound to happen, sadly. Tell me the time and place so I can join you.


DangerousTrashCan

We should do a meet-up my friend.


paddyo

“Police probe role of motorsport subreddit in new Heaven’s Gate-style mass suicide event. Charles Leclerc has refused comment.”


DangerousTrashCan

"A note was left at the scene, that simply reads: "Enough is enough."


ryokevry

The note should be “it’s like this”


Visionary_Socialist

I’ll be joining you if Lewis goes out in Q1. With the entire Mercedes technical department tied to me.


aHuankind

Please do! 


0narasi

I must not hope. Hope is the soul-killer. Hope is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my hopium. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the hope has gone there will be next year. Only I will remain


sugarklay

Who knows, maybe the Ferraris and Max get into a 2017 Singapore situation and Stroll wins after Alonso fights off Russell.


sundark94

>I've got damage, I've got damage! *Radio crackle* I've got damage... If that season has taught me anything, Verstappen will start P5 after a bout of prescient vision, avoid the carnage, and win the race.


Dlwatkin

seeing his recent VR racing highlights he does it on there too, just wild "luck"


HeliosX14

Charles is the Lisan Al-Gaib, as it is written.


mr_moos

That's not Hope!!


vedantbajaj

😂😂😂


AceBean27

Tragedy lures with fortune first


Takis12

All aboard?


Am_I_Loss

We never got off (help)


Chadme_Swolmidala

Snowpiercer vibes


insurgentsloth

Also Infinity Train? (I only watched the first few episodes)


chloedever

The STROLL ™️ mobile


venktesh

No, not just yet!


PayaV87

P2 is back on the menu boys. Seems like Leclerc will be able to figth Perez!


ChipmunkTycoon

Ferrari 2-3 would be the stuff of dreams at this point!


Kait0yashio

he will fight max


Pitforsofts

I'm gonna have to see it for myself before I get my hopes up.


cheezus171

Have you guys not seen the first 2 races and the FP results before them?


bone_appletea1

F1 fans have got to have the shortest memories lol We’ve watched Verstappen cruise to easy victories for like 95% of the races in the past year & yet Ferrari are suddenly fighting them for a win?!?!?!


Kait0yashio

Long run data from the 1st 2 races was no where close, from Jeddah or Bahrain everyone was like 4 tenths down on max that is not the case here


ShadowStarX

the thing is we do not have long run data from Red Bull this weekend yet


SosseBargeld

No way, this is just practice.


lazydavez

That would be amazing… and finally a legit reason to wake up that early on a Sunday


Kait0yashio

a battle for the lead, vegas was the legit last time im so ready


ShadowStarX

I'd like that but I don't see that happening


OldManTrumpet

Maybe for one turn.


andrestoga

There is no way Max has better car and skills


Other_Beat8859

I have no fucking hope. In Bahrain, Max didn't lead a single FP session and in Saudi it was also close. Let's see, but I'm not holding my breath.


Billy_LDN

> I have no fucking hope Fan of driver who’s won 30 of the last 35 races has no hope. What about the rest of us?


Other_Beat8859

I want to see Max win, but I want to see him challenge. Like Las Vegas last year. Watching him dominate a season or race is boring.


FaceMaskYT

(Unpopular opinion) but I disagree, we've got great battles in the midfield and exciting drivers coming through the ranks, the RedBull dominance isn't going to last forever, so looking at these battles is a great way to anticipate the future and to enjoy current races


Other_Beat8859

I kinda agree. The cost cap is doing good on paper. The field is closer than ever. Despite what people say, spending to catch up simply has never really been a thing. Every time a clear top team has lost their lead, it has been due to a regulation change whether that be 2009, 2014, 2017, 2021, or 2022. The only other time in the 21st century was due to Michelin teams cheating in 2003. That being said, I don't think F1 is particularly entertaining right now. As much as we talk about the midfield, we have to face it, the fight for the lead or podium is most entertaining. There are few examples otherwise. There are less title battles now, the cars are far too big, the FIA credibility is at a very low point, we're getting rid of regular circuits, etc. The sport under people like Dominicali is not heading in a good direction.


TefBekkel

They are driving waaaaaaay under quali times. People are so fucking gullible to fall the same trap over and over and over.


TotalStatisticNoob

That's long runs...


beamingleanin

The race is won on Sundays


TotalStatisticNoob

Thanks, Will


TefBekkel

They still aren’t indicative. If you really think this is a takeaway for the race then look at the last 3 years and you tell me.


TotalStatisticNoob

The years where RB always showed better long run pace in FP2? Also, I'm not saying RB won't be quicker in the race, but LEC being 7 tenths quicker than PER clearly means Ferrari had the faster car in FP2, likely due to RB not having found the best setup.


TefBekkel

You see? 4 tenths on LeClerc. FP is just fucked.


TotalStatisticNoob

Soooooo....


TefBekkel

soooooo what?


TotalStatisticNoob

How was Perez' race pace compared to the Ferraris?


TefBekkel

In all honesty, do you really think Perez is the proper measure for the Red Bull? In that case you should also believe Verstappen is 30 seconds clear of your man LeClerc on talent alone. And you don’t think the latter do you?


TefBekkel

The point is we know nothing about fuel loads, RB might have way more fuel and be insanely quick without us knowing. All we can say is they didn’t push for quali runs so there’s very little to say. LeClerc being 7 tenths quicker in FP2 means nothing until the we have seen the race. It’s gullible to believe it means something because RB haven’t dominated free practice the last couple of years but have absolutely dominated races. That doesn’t mean this per say doesn’t indicate anything at all, but inferring from FP means you have a high chance your hope will get shattered; time has proven us this over and over.


Takis12

That’s a wise decision. You need oxygen.


talliepolie

What happened to Lewis?


No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

He is on a year long non-gardening gardening leave.


Dlwatkin

too bad the engineers did the same the last few years building this car


teratron27

They where running extreme setup changes on his car https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/hamilton-describes-one-of-my-worst-sessions-in-australian-gp-practice-as.o0JXWerWvQjMEh3BTiCK7


gt57

It’s just practice- he’s prob testing the car limits at this point, will prob end better at qualis (looking at how george was at 6th- and prob was trying to just go as fast as possible)


KREEDYY

Honestly I'm wondering this myself. He's either just turned into absolute ass, which let's be honest he hasn't. I have a feeling somethings going on. Could be wrong but do Merc want Lewis to bear George the season before he leaves for a rival? Could be nothing and I don't normally do conspiracies but just a thought. 


nth_place

They’re just testing setups on his car. He’s done it for the team before but also makes sense now that he’s on the outs that George gets the “moderate” setup while they see if they can find a magic setup that works on Lewis’ car


KREEDYY

Yeah you're most likely right. I'm not a fan of conspiracies but it just crossed my mind 


majorcoleThe2nd

Anyone for the long run pace of the top contenders?


Antidote-Killer

Lance? 🥹


HoshinoNadeshiko

It will be the ultimate Lance move to give his best performance in FP2 and then forgets how to drive. Dude can be so quick at times and then just be like "nah"


FastonMartin

I swear if he goes P2 in Q1 and leaves that as his best time of the entire weekend for a third time in a row..


BeansTheCoach

On my knees begging


proudlysydney

there were a group of us at the fan stage today waving lance merch and cheering for him specifically, he saw us and maybe it inspires him for the weekend!


Damm_shame

Yes please


carelesssportsfan89

Man the merc car is garbage Lewis has made the right decision to go to Ferrari


jbb927

so bad that george is 6th. lol


TheGreatForehead

vs Leclerc and Sainz who are 1st and 3rd respectively, which proves their point. Not sure what you’re trying to say here.


sidhantsv

They went with a crazy set up for Lewis in FP2. Clearly didn’t work.


Dry-Egg-1915

Why Lewis always experimenting with setups, that then seemingly lead to poorer results for him?


According-Switch-708

Lewis has no interest in fighting for P5 or P6. He's just trying to find out if there is some magic setup trick that would unlock a chunk of pace.


Krivan

Maybe so he knows what works and what doesn’t later in the season? He did that last year afaik and ended up finishing ahead of Russell by the end.


Rivendel93

Because they don't understand this car, yet again. Toto said they'd be using free practice to experiment because they don't understand the car and to try to understand their correlation issues. Just another wasted year, at least Ferrari look quick, Lewis can have a solid car next year.


Dry-Egg-1915

Next year, huh? Already getting accustomed to Ferrari customs


Rivendel93

Heh, I'd take any top team car over the Mercedes right now, it's so frustrating to just setup. Also I didn't say he'd be winning championships next year, just that they'd most likely have a solid car based on the fact they've had the second best car the last two seasons. Ferrari is clearly the 2nd best this season by a fair margin and they've resolved their tyre deg issues.


tehehe162

I forget where I heard this (maybe an interview with Bono?), but Lewis likes to test the "extremes" of setup to highlight what works and what doesn't, and how far he can push the car. And then in FP3 he usually finalizes what he likes.


teratron27

Think it was an interview with James Vowles


reck1265

Why is Hamilton still getting or accepting dodgy setups and experiments? Who needs that extra headache.


vtsxxl

Because he has nothing left to prove and has tons of experience?


According-Switch-708

He's the one who's asking for them. Lewis probably has no interest in P5 or P6. He's trying to find a good setup window for his car that would allow him to atleast fight for a podium. Guys like Alonso, Lewis and Max have nothing more to prove to anyone. They are just doing their own thing.


Paukwa-Pakawa

If he's asking for or accepting crazy set-ups, that's on him. It's no longer his business to do *any* experiments to improve the car, just use whatever conservative set-up works.


n_a_magic

Why? He wants to experiment


GRl3V

Do you think he actually does? To me it looks like he's checked out of there.


PlasticPatient

And you think that's good?


No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

Mercedes are too busy with other stuff to focus on their car.


Probably-42

Subscribe here for your Sauber in the points hype. Yes! There are ppl who hype about that!


Alfus

Courting off the days until Japan That's our last hope Alpine bros


Litre__o__cola

I don’t know how much more alp-over it can get from here, other than the team getting sold. This team is in perpetual rebuild, I hope they regain some semblance of composure


insurgentsloth

Damn, Renauover (Renover? Renauver?whatever it's all pronounced the same) worked so much better, at least we have Alpain


ConferenceLarge6415

A responsive front end and stable rear end does wonders, I think Leclerc knew from early in FP1 he could chuck the car into the corners and that carried on in FP2.


proudlysydney

We also know he likes this track- site of his grand slam


themaestronic

Yuki almost 4 tenths faster than DR. 👀


the_denim_duke

He was 6 tenths faster in FP1. I’m going to be heartbroken if DR can’t find some talent tomorrow.


magicman22

Was about 3 tenths behind in FP1 on the mediums, DR didn't get a run on the softs. Still significantly behind though.


thirteenpunchman

Danny was doing long runs when Yuki put in his last fast lap, the fast laps before that, Danny was 3/10 ahead


GRl3V

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only good performance in Australia I remember from him was 10 years ago, in 2014.


Ok_Willingness_9619

Pretty consistently faster too. Be interesting in Quali.


lalabadmans

I’m sure the team will release him in traffic in qually and it will ruin his lap.


Peanutspitter96

Well at least a podium is on the cards for Ferrari. If leclerc/Ferrari maximize this weekend, they might even get P2


ShadowStarX

I imagine P2 for Leclerc, P4 or P5 for Sainz would be P3 for Carlos if he wasn't in the middle of a recovery


accur4te

Ayoo mclaren what happened to you


ahmadtheanon

Gasly and Ocon better than Hamilton. Alpine season is saved. That's it boys, wrap it up.


RobertGracie

They only two that have remains consistent between both sessions is Max Verstappen and Nick Hulkenberg


QF_Dan

STOP THE COUNT


bouncebackability

Another Lec & Ver front row then


Honourstly

Ver Per Lec


effinblinding

How is Sainz already in an F1 car


AlexisFR

Once again, what are you talking about? fix your timings!


DangerousTrashCan

DON'T. GIVE. ME. HOPE. FFS.


liberalindianguy

I was watching Leclerc’s post FP2 interview and I have never seen him this happy. He really believes that Ferrari is quick and can challenge Max for the win.


Kodrackyas

Poor Daniel, they should just give that fucking seat to Tsunoda and see where it goes, nothing worse than the albon/gasly shitshow can happen


JPA-3

the Astons are fast at 1 lap, they should be even more in here with 4 drs zones, they will be a green tractor during the race though


DesiredEnlisted

STROLL WITH THE STEEL CHAIR 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥


Ok_Willingness_9619

Yuki still .3 faster than DR. Come on Yuki!


No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

DR needs to go!


Ok_Willingness_9619

Hahah.. all DR fans are coping hard. Downvote away. He won’t be in the lineup for long.


No_Mercy_4_Potatoes

Anytime you comment against DR, you're downvoted to oblivion. But no counter argument is given as to why DR deserves the seat more than Yuki and Liam.


CommonEngineering832

Now the main question is will Sainz resume or he will withdrawn, since he not really 100 yet.


-Stoic-

Where is my main man Albono?


cricketmad14

No Hamilton wanted to leave Mercedes. It’s trash tier now.


other_goblin

Hamilton seems to be the primary weakness of the Merc this year lol


TotalStatisticNoob

Looks like RB hasn't found a good setup yet. LEC 7 tenths ahead of PER means he should be ahead of VER too.