yeah that's why I struggle to rate him in the same league as guys like Charles, Lando, more so Max,
Dude is SUPER fast, both in qualy and race pace is really good too. Hence why at the same time I still rate him higher than someone like Sainz, Ocon, Gasly etc. But fucking hell is he scrappy at the wheel whenever he has to fight someone, and cracks under pressure like a foam board. He's in that weird B++/A-- no man's land.
I feel like Charles and Lando still make more mistakes under pressure than Max or Fernando (or Lewis at the top of his game) so I put them one level under top tier, but yeah their wheel to wheel racing skills definitely give them the edge over George.
I strongly disagree with this. Lando and Charles are every bit as good as Fernando and Lewis were these past few years if not better. Not sure about their primes tho yet, but I feel like they absolutely have the potential.
Especially this season, where both Fernando and Lewis are *heavily* underperforming for their standard. But even last season they all very neck and neck really. From places 2 to 5 you could easily shuffle them to your hearts content.
The "mistakes" part is *way* too overblown and held against them at a different standard for weird reason.
You’re probably right, I find it can take a long time to shift people’s perceptions particularly for drivers you may not follow as closely (see: a lot of people only recognising Yuki’s improvement this season even after mega consistency and attitude improvements all last season) so maybe that’s what’s off with my assessment.
George doesn’t have any argument on that one. Kind of a stupid lunge into that section. Even if he does get it in the first turn, he’s not staying on track to make it through the chicane.
Commentators on my channel said piastri deserved a penalty for that.
I don't know the rules of everything, but is Piastri really supposed to back out there? Just seems like boring racing if it required Piastri to back in that situation when Russel has the outside turn and only has half or the car in front.
Norwegian broadcast? They were 100% Piastri penalty, which I thought was completely blind of them. I figure they might have thought otherwise if we saw a better replay, but Piastri absolutely had the full right to be there at the apex. George just didn't give enough room.
Russell was ahead on the apex, so technically it was his corner. But Piastri held his line, didn't veer off of it. So there was enough space for both of them. Russell just put too much squeeze. Racing incident. Or at least I hope the stewards will see it that way.
Yeah I think that may be the case but I’m not sure. The significantly alongside rules that many discuss are for the overtaking cars on the inside line. If the overtaking car is ahead at the apex and on the outside line, idk. Not worth it for his race to risk it regardless
But don't you have to be more ahead than half a car length for it to be his corner? If it's his corner then Oscar should have a penalty for pushing him wide no?
Palmer always reminds in his breakdowns: when overtaking/defending on the inside, if you're ahead on the apex, you're allowed to push off the track your rival, but you have to complete the move on the track. If you're wheel to wheel, or your rival is ahead, you have to leave room. That's how it has been for years.
I think Piastri left enough. Russell just squeezed him too much.
You never have a "claim" to a corner. If someone's on the inside, you have to give room. Even if that means taking a slower route through the corner. It's either that, or you crash. Of course, if they divebomb from way back with no chance of making the corner, then it's a different conversation. But Russell was barely half a car length ahead and Piastri was under full control and easily wouldve made the corner if Russell had given him enough space.
I don't think absolutely everything should be penalized, but the stewards tend to judge on outcome. The outcome was that Piastri was heavily damaged and couldn't even stay within the potential 5 sec penalty. If they were to be consistent, I'd say that's a penalty for Russell for causing a collision.
On the entry you have to leave the space, but who's ahead at the apex "owns" the exit.
Last year at Barcelona, Verstappen (inside) pushed Sainz (outside) of the track. He was ahead at the apex - no investigation. Tsunoda later did the same to Zhou, but they wheel to wheel at the apex - he got a penalty.
Lol, terrible take from them. It's a racing incident probably but if you were going to give someone a penalty it has to be George since he just turned into Oscar.
Basically they didnt want to risk 2nd and 3rd. If they did that stratagy and any merc got past pisatri, they are then automatically in DRS of Lando and can just repeat it.
So 2nd and 5th is 28, vs 2nd and 3rd for 33 and 4th and 5th for 22 .
How is this not a penalty lol.
Oscar taking the racing line, doesn't move, and George runs into him.
Shouldn't matter if George lost out, the incident is what is supposed to matter in terms of penalties.
I don't think George is wholly to blame that one. Piastri making it 2 wide in that corner is just weird. Its basically putting you and your opponents car on the line whether it works out. George's angle into the corner was basically to say "back off Piastri" but he didn't.
Also, Russell already lost 2 positions after that, so I don't think it will be a penalty.
You can't really back off when you are already braking as much as you can to take the turn, the only thing you can do in that situation when you're on the inside is take the turn.
It's a single-file chicane, Russell came from behind trying a move on the outside and wasn't able to get ahead enough of Piastri to go through the chicane first, he should have abandoned the move when that was clear.
He was ahead far enough to assume the corner was his and Piastri should've backed off earlier. He was never going to regain that position before the corner, ergo its his fault more than Russell.
You saw everybody back off once it was clear that the other was ahead before the corner started. The fact that they were still side-by-side was more on Piastri than on Russell.
George was never far enough ahead to claim the corner. There was good amount of overlap between them through the braking zone for the corner. Piastri had the inside line, so for George to enter the single-file chicane from the outside he needed to fully clear Piastri, and he wasn't close to doing that.
You're essentially arguing that Piastri shouldn't have braked early and just let Russell through the moment they arrived at the braking zone side, despite Piastri still being a fair amount alongside George at that point.
From what I recall, when the other moves that happened there, the overtaking car had got much further ahead by the time they reached the braking point
Great camera work guys. Cutting to the back of the car where we can see nothing during the live shot.
TV direction was atrocious for this race.
I can see the NASCAR on Fox producers have found a new home.
Russell with the "I am turning now, good luck everyone else"
I love it
I mean where was Oscar supposed to go, in the wall? George absolutely crumbling today
yeah that's why I struggle to rate him in the same league as guys like Charles, Lando, more so Max, Dude is SUPER fast, both in qualy and race pace is really good too. Hence why at the same time I still rate him higher than someone like Sainz, Ocon, Gasly etc. But fucking hell is he scrappy at the wheel whenever he has to fight someone, and cracks under pressure like a foam board. He's in that weird B++/A-- no man's land.
Absolutely. I do think that with a more consistently fast car, he can work on those aspects.
I feel like Charles and Lando still make more mistakes under pressure than Max or Fernando (or Lewis at the top of his game) so I put them one level under top tier, but yeah their wheel to wheel racing skills definitely give them the edge over George.
I strongly disagree with this. Lando and Charles are every bit as good as Fernando and Lewis were these past few years if not better. Not sure about their primes tho yet, but I feel like they absolutely have the potential. Especially this season, where both Fernando and Lewis are *heavily* underperforming for their standard. But even last season they all very neck and neck really. From places 2 to 5 you could easily shuffle them to your hearts content. The "mistakes" part is *way* too overblown and held against them at a different standard for weird reason.
You’re probably right, I find it can take a long time to shift people’s perceptions particularly for drivers you may not follow as closely (see: a lot of people only recognising Yuki’s improvement this season even after mega consistency and attitude improvements all last season) so maybe that’s what’s off with my assessment.
Is it even just today? This is just becoming classic Russell
There's no way he didn't see Oscar either.
Can Russel stop turning into people?
Oscar definitely has magnets in his car but wtf George lol.
George doesn’t have any argument on that one. Kind of a stupid lunge into that section. Even if he does get it in the first turn, he’s not staying on track to make it through the chicane.
Commentators on my channel said piastri deserved a penalty for that. I don't know the rules of everything, but is Piastri really supposed to back out there? Just seems like boring racing if it required Piastri to back in that situation when Russel has the outside turn and only has half or the car in front.
Norwegian broadcast? They were 100% Piastri penalty, which I thought was completely blind of them. I figure they might have thought otherwise if we saw a better replay, but Piastri absolutely had the full right to be there at the apex. George just didn't give enough room.
Yes, Norwegian
No, that’s insane of those commentators. Oscar had the inside line and was very much alongside Russell.
Russell was ahead on the apex, so technically it was his corner. But Piastri held his line, didn't veer off of it. So there was enough space for both of them. Russell just put too much squeeze. Racing incident. Or at least I hope the stewards will see it that way.
Yeah I think that may be the case but I’m not sure. The significantly alongside rules that many discuss are for the overtaking cars on the inside line. If the overtaking car is ahead at the apex and on the outside line, idk. Not worth it for his race to risk it regardless
Significantly alongside applies to straights and corner entries. Exits have different rules.
But don't you have to be more ahead than half a car length for it to be his corner? If it's his corner then Oscar should have a penalty for pushing him wide no?
Palmer always reminds in his breakdowns: when overtaking/defending on the inside, if you're ahead on the apex, you're allowed to push off the track your rival, but you have to complete the move on the track. If you're wheel to wheel, or your rival is ahead, you have to leave room. That's how it has been for years. I think Piastri left enough. Russell just squeezed him too much.
You never have a "claim" to a corner. If someone's on the inside, you have to give room. Even if that means taking a slower route through the corner. It's either that, or you crash. Of course, if they divebomb from way back with no chance of making the corner, then it's a different conversation. But Russell was barely half a car length ahead and Piastri was under full control and easily wouldve made the corner if Russell had given him enough space. I don't think absolutely everything should be penalized, but the stewards tend to judge on outcome. The outcome was that Piastri was heavily damaged and couldn't even stay within the potential 5 sec penalty. If they were to be consistent, I'd say that's a penalty for Russell for causing a collision.
On the entry you have to leave the space, but who's ahead at the apex "owns" the exit. Last year at Barcelona, Verstappen (inside) pushed Sainz (outside) of the track. He was ahead at the apex - no investigation. Tsunoda later did the same to Zhou, but they wheel to wheel at the apex - he got a penalty.
Well, to get to the exit, you have to not make contact at the apex. That's the lesson George needs to learn here.
Hell, George turned into Oscar *before* the apex.
Lol, terrible take from them. It's a racing incident probably but if you were going to give someone a penalty it has to be George since he just turned into Oscar.
I don't think that's how you overtake someone George
Did he just think Piastri was gonna dissappear or something
This is some senna prost crash.
5s penalty for Russell post-race perhaps?
Doesn't apply to brits
Typical Russell move there. Still can’t understand why McLaren didn’t hold Norris back for Piastri to be within DRS
Basically they didnt want to risk 2nd and 3rd. If they did that stratagy and any merc got past pisatri, they are then automatically in DRS of Lando and can just repeat it. So 2nd and 5th is 28, vs 2nd and 3rd for 33 and 4th and 5th for 22 .
Have to wonder why Piastri lifted everytime he got too close of Norris.
Russell doing Russell things yet again
Idk where Russell thought Piastri could go.
Russel love trying to DNF himself at the end of the races lol
George literally expected Oscar to disappear from the apex
Russell still needs to learn how to race… I guess Oscar turned into him somehow
George "I turn now, good luck everybody else" Russel classic
There was never going to be any space there
Bit too opportunistic from George
I thought Toto told George to not go making those types of late race mistakes after Singapore?
How is this not a penalty lol. Oscar taking the racing line, doesn't move, and George runs into him. Shouldn't matter if George lost out, the incident is what is supposed to matter in terms of penalties.
Piastri turned into him!!!! /s
Is George under investigation for the clash with Oscar?
Waiting for the update from the stewards
Russell gave way the previous lap for Piastri, he wasn't going to do it 2 laps in a row
Idk, i think it's just a racing incident
Focus George, focus
Can someone get me an audio file of Toto: focus George focus.
Not much room for Piastri to go anywhere else was there?
Thanks Lando, that's some proper teamwork right there...
Feels like we were a quarter inch off of an all British podium with VER nearly hitting the wall at the end there.
Well thank fuck because the the Brits would be dining out on that for years lmao
I don't think George is wholly to blame that one. Piastri making it 2 wide in that corner is just weird. Its basically putting you and your opponents car on the line whether it works out. George's angle into the corner was basically to say "back off Piastri" but he didn't. Also, Russell already lost 2 positions after that, so I don't think it will be a penalty.
You can't really back off when you are already braking as much as you can to take the turn, the only thing you can do in that situation when you're on the inside is take the turn. It's a single-file chicane, Russell came from behind trying a move on the outside and wasn't able to get ahead enough of Piastri to go through the chicane first, he should have abandoned the move when that was clear.
He was ahead far enough to assume the corner was his and Piastri should've backed off earlier. He was never going to regain that position before the corner, ergo its his fault more than Russell. You saw everybody back off once it was clear that the other was ahead before the corner started. The fact that they were still side-by-side was more on Piastri than on Russell.
George was never far enough ahead to claim the corner. There was good amount of overlap between them through the braking zone for the corner. Piastri had the inside line, so for George to enter the single-file chicane from the outside he needed to fully clear Piastri, and he wasn't close to doing that. You're essentially arguing that Piastri shouldn't have braked early and just let Russell through the moment they arrived at the braking zone side, despite Piastri still being a fair amount alongside George at that point. From what I recall, when the other moves that happened there, the overtaking car had got much further ahead by the time they reached the braking point
Russell was ahead and gap was going to disappear for piastri, so don't know what the fuck is brundle smoking.
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George made mistakes after mistakes this race
Russell clearly ahead at the apex.
where should oscar go lol?
Hit the brake pedal.
then he takes russel out by clipping his rear, it was a bad lunge by george
Russell will never learn. Maybe once in 10 occasions he doesn't bottle the big chance
Russell goes from 1 to 5. Not good.
and hamilton is in front of russell