not forever anymore, companies are on a roll to fight off the internet archive (muh licensing that I don't sell anymore) and are deleting entire swaths of websites.
Maybe. Language evolves. Words that used to be offensive are not now and other words that used to be acceptable are now offensive. No use in fighting against it.
True. It's even different between borders. I watched a Last Week Tonight episode recently where an English host explained to his American audience that the c word isn't as offensive in the UK as it is I'm the US. While in Australia, they seem to use it as another way of saying hello.
I have to wonder if he thought it meant 馬鹿野郎 or アホ (bakayaro / aho) in terms of connotation / ~relatively similar terms, and didn't realize that it had other implications in English. Honestly he'd be better off swearing in Japanese to avoid these verbal landmines.
Edit: Not excusing his behavior, but I have relatives who have made... inappropriate?... verbal mistakes using words that they don't realize have some colloquial meaning / cultural implication because English is not their native/first language. When asked/explained it becomes obvious they have no idea it could be interpreted other than how they meant it. Like I said, if you want to be safe, swear in your native language.
this mixup with baka/aho and the r-word is something i see fairly often in english fan-translated manga, actually. it always bothered me a bit.
as far as tsunoda is concerned, definitely seems like an accident though
It’s weird in English.
Technically, the word is a science / engineering verb that means “to slow down”. It’s still used in professional circles, and in fact, Airbus aircraft use the word as part of their cockpit computer voice instructions.
However, the word is also commonly used as a derogatory slur for people with a mental handicap.
It was chosen as the next word in the euphemism treadmill. I don't know if it's a common occurrence in other languages, but it's a real thing in English.
No it’s not. And the American way of substituting with “x-word” pisses me off; as a non-native speaker it means that either I don’t know what we are talking about (so I learn nothing), or I know and I’m telling myself “oh the mean xylophone” and it achieves nothing because I still “hear it”
Makes my head hurt and over complicate things for nothing. You guys give too much power to some words, while not addressing the real issues behind them.
I mean, on the other thread I saw multiple people defending him flinging slurs *because* it's Stroll, and at least two legitimately implying that Stroll is mentally disabled.
How fucking much can you hate a person you've never met?
Scrolling down the context but I see none.
If you step outside F1 world for 20 minutes there’s another story you’ve already missed but everyone else gets.
Zhou pulled out in front of him in the pits when they were queuing for another shot at Q1. He got upset and said “these f’ing r-slurs”. His engineer responded to calm him down saying they still had plenty of time.
I censored both words because I don’t want to get banned, but the issue was with the r-slur word.
There’s a famous song by the black eyed peas that use to heavily feature this word until it became ‘not ok’ and then they re-released the song as ‘let’s get it started’
Those 2 versions were released on the same album (I had it). It wasn't "later". The second was the radio edit because even back then you couldn't say that on the airwaves.
Thank you for your summary. Also, your username is beautiful. 👌
I understand you censoring some words. You just don't know what reddit will or will not delete nowadays.
I have a genuine question as a non-native English speaker, so any opinion is appreciated.
This word was used in a lot of movies not too long ago. What made it such a bad word? Was it not considered offensive back then?
It probably depends on the movie. Older movies may have come out before it was considered a slur. Alternatively, some movies may have included it intentionally - basically making the character say a slur to make a point. There was a movement a while back to essentially convince people to stop using the word due to the offense it caused certain communities.
Not even too long ago, it was used in the Emma stone film ‘Poor Things’ which came out in 2023.
It was also used in the American version of The Office by Steve Carell
Martin Brundle has also used the word ‘retardation’ to describe the tyres on multiple occasions in sky commentary.
Words are what we make them. They are only bad when combined with hatred.
When it comes to Brundle using that term, that's a different case. Retardation on its own just means a slowing process, for example the drivers wear Fire retardant suits, that's a technical term.
The word technically isn't really a slur, retard means to slow something or hold something back.
To say somebody is mentally retarded definitely can be used offensively, but it can also just be factual.
If someone is mentally retarded it means their brain power is slowed or held back, so they probably suffer from learning difficulties.
Retard can also be used in a engineering/mechanical context as a verb, to retard something.
That was the first thing I noticed reading it, and I know it might sound silly but it actually made the apology seem genuine and heartfelt, not just a PR reponse. Props to Yuki for aknowledging his mistake and promising to do better.
Well. I was considering the possibility that his PR team deliberately wrote this message in bad grammar or let him do it himself to emphasise that he does indeed have a bad grasp on the language. It seems to be working if that was indeed the case, and if it isn't, well, it truly proves the point.
Either way, I believe that he probably didn't understand the word properly. Mistakes like that happen when you aren't a native speaker.
Eh tbh it was a very Yuki moment, he's been working on the radio rage but it's still coming out sometimes. It's good that he's aware. Seemed like a good apology
I think Yuki made an honest mistake. He apologised, and I believe him. Learning a new language, you also pick up what native speakers use. And then it's just trusting you won't pick up the wrong thing
I did a French course after secondary school, and after that I started work in a ski resort, around kids. While chatting with my colleagues I'd learned "dégueulasse" in the context of "icky, yucky, distasteful". So I used it when that's what I wanted to say. Until my boss pulled me aside and told me it wasn't appropriate for use in polite conversation ("vulgaire") and I should use "degoutant" instead.
Social context for words is very hard to pick up sometimes, and especially if it's being used by people you work/hang out with. I hope Yuki's English-speaking social circle take note (could've been the internet, admittedly)
I recall an interview with Horner or someone that said Yuki thought the f word was a casual word. He was learning English slang from the pit and crew without realizing severity.
I have a cousin that could barely speak English. He became a merchant marine out of school. He joined a ship with different nationalities of veteran sailors. A year later I see him and he's F this, F that, how the F are you doing?
I work with Japanese people, and we converse and email in English everyday (I dnt speak Japanese). Yeah, this statement sounds like how they write or speak.
He called zhou the r-word. He didn't know it was a slur - probably thought it was a synonym for stupid (but said when angry). He apologized and is paying 20,000 in fine money (it will be payed again if he does it again).
Guys, you can use a word in the context of explaining it to people. The R-word is "Retard". This word is used as a slur if someone does something stupid. Its regarded as a slur because it was a common (oppressive) term for people with certain disabilities.
If you cant teach people words, their meaning and why theyre bad, people will use them. They will fade, but not without teaching people why.
i'm still confused why so many people were acting like he definitely knew the implications of the word. he's ESL and he moved to europe pretty late in life (5 years ago, so when he was around 19). it's not unreasonable to think that he simply didn't know the depth of what it meant other than being a word colloquially used for "bad".
it's good he apologised, but some of the things people were saying about him were like major overassumptions about his character.
it wasn’t really seen as super offensive until relatively recently at least in the US. It was always crass but now it’s pretty much considered a slur by most. This is obviously about calling someone that’s not developmentally challenged that, it was always bad to say it to someone who is.
Many people treat that word as just another way of calling someone dumb. English is not my first language aswell and When I found out what other people think of this word I was talking to some friends about it and a buddy said "why would people think we would be making fun of someone that was born that way, it's common sense" and I do agree that I don't think someone is going to make fun of someone that was born with an unchangeable condition but well things are a way in some places and a different way in others so I get the punishment.
I just think that some words need to lose their power, that a word like this one shouldn't be associated with people with mental difficulties.
It used to be a medical term, that turned into common vernacular to call a person with a condition, then turned into a soft / hard insult, then recently relatively successfully lobbied to be seen as a slur.
Lobbied by [Spread the Word](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_the_Word), among others.
But in general a lot of people just got sick of the word I think (myself included).
When I was a teenager in the 00s it was not considered that offensive. We all used it liberally and you would hear it in pretty mainstream movies/tv and comedy routines. Its treated much more seriously now. I don't think it's a bad change, just pointing it out. Myself and a lot of other millennial have had to remove it from our vocabulary.
It’s become more recognised as a heinous slur in the past decade or so, it used to be a way to call someone dumb but it was still in relatively poor taste considering it’s a real mental deficiency.
The fact that it isn’t that common anymore might have contributed to him not realizing the connotations. He probably heard used on iRacing or something similar(tons of bad language in there that’s gotten other drivers in trouble).
Very easy for the current gravity of the word to have slipped under the radar of an ESL person though. You watch some 90s television and pick it up as a casual but maybe dated insult, not knowing why it's out of current usage. I'd say it's not really talked about to the degree of other dated slurs that were associated with sexual orientation where it'd be a bit easier to know that it's no longer acceptable potentially
the vast majority of people don’t actually care irl. But obviously things are always different online and definitely its a no no if you’re promoting a brand
And he learned a lot of his English from British Mechanics, he didn't stand much chance of not having a broad lexicon of bad words to pick from with no real awareness of their meaning.
A lot of people assume that knowing the word and knowing its impact are hand-in-hand. But that's normally learned not from your English lessons but from seeing people's reaction to its use, which even for native speakers can be long after you actually learn the word. Especially for this word, many people learned it before it became considered as offensive as it is now.
The level of offensiveness of different words with the same definition is not at all constant between languages. A great example is Quebecois French, where a word that just means communion bread is very vulgar. But something like that in English would be the equivalent of either just "bread", which isn't vulgar at all, or saying "Jesus Christ", which better captures the spirit of it but is still extremely mild and only really offensive if you say it in a Church (Lord's name in vain and all that). By the way, this word is not offensive in France at all, so even fluent French speakers still need to know Quebec culture to understand the offensiveness.
It's nowhere near as effective to just say this word is roughly as offensive as as it is to actually see the response from English speakers when it's said. Even if Yuki was taught that the word was offensive, it's not really that effective. Plus many tutors themselves are not native English speakers and may not know themselves how offensive the word is. Or they may have learned English a while ago, when it was more acceptable. And of course it's generally discouraged for tutors to teach swear words at all.
As an ESL I’ve lived in an Eng speaking country for years and still find new words that I didn’t know the meaning of. Not excusing his words, but it’s important to see it from his perspective as well
To be honest, that is the first time I have ever heard that people are upset because someone said that specific word. I just thought it was a normal insult like any other, and it seems like so did Yuki
It’s nice it’s a genuine apology from him and not his PR team
I don’t hold it against yuki, sure it’s stupid and he has to work on his temper, but i’m fairly certain he genuinely didn’t mean offense against anyone other than the drivers he was talking about
Yuki is an angry guy with a big mouth, but he’s not a bad person
He obviously knew it was a mean thing to say, but I think there is a very good chance, as a second language, he might not have understood all the connotations of the word. For example, he might have understood it to hold as much weight as "stupid" or a bit worse - but not the weight it actually holds to a native English speaker. They always joke he learned English from hanging around mechanics from a young age so I can definitely see how he got there. Anyhoo, I doubt he'll use it again lol
Yep. In India, a lot of my friends would use it as a common word for being 'stupid', just in a more friendly sense. I came to America, used it once or twice, and almost faced a suspension (school) before I learned that it was a slur. Afaik, we have no direct translation for it either -- a lot of languages don't have a literal one.
r/casualUK had to go to the reddit admins and get them to tone down their automated moderation systems, because people who were discussing a type of british meatball with the same name as the F word were being auto-banned.
Context matters.
Yeah I got banned from messaging on here for 7 days ages ago for messaging a friend “brb im off to smoke a cig” - but swap ‘cig’ for the British word for a cigarette.
He didn’t report me, Reddit auto detected it. Madness.
It's a shame that that food is sooooo fucking good yet I can never ask if anyone wants it for dinner cuz I always remember when I'm out in public at the shops or something haha
There are certain words that makes the comment get automatically deleted and in other sites the posts/comments don't even get published.
That's why people now say "Unalive".
E: RIP the user I replied to, got filtered.
It absolutely does, and it does nothing at all to prevent people from saying awful things. But guess what, Reddit is publicly listed now, so they need to keep shareholders happy.
Reddit is still fine using 'dead' over 'unalive'.
'Unalive' only really took off from Tiktok due to their heavy censoriship. But, it's caught onto normal vocab that people use on platforms that don't even have aggressive censorship.
Dude obviously fucked up, but just as obviously he didn't understand how bad the word is. This is probably the most sincere and believable apologies I've seen in F1, and I hope everyone will let it go already.
I find that it is in bad taste for F1 to pretend to have ethics at all, considering the shit that is glossed over. Don’t really see why Yuki should be held accountable beyond a fine and a sincere apology
I'm from the U.K. and it's an offensive word here but everyone on this thread who won't even write the word is blowing my mind a little. In western context I'd only not write the n-word purely for cultural reasons. Everything else is fair play, you can swear on the internet!
Will this situation lead to an amusing period of drivers coming up with even more ridiculous exclamations in order not to get fined?
_He's a nutbag!_
_Your mother was a snowblower!_
_I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!_
Strange that Max said the same [thing](https://youtu.be/605M5cdF8rs?si=TBxEpAj9npxtA8kY) after Ricciardo bumped into him years back and nothing happened.
Honestly us as a society have become so thin skinned and snowflakes to any mere hint of offense these days. We have to censor words like death, rape, drugs or sex as if theyre deathly dangerous words. Smh
Oh yeah? And what happened when Helmut Marko said that Perez hasn't the concentration or focus because He is SOUTHAMERICAN and He is not GERMAN? Exactly! Nothing happened.
They removed Yuki’s whole driver cam from the qualy replay. I guess they really want to make sure no one goes looking for it.
It'll be forgotten quickly but it'll live on the internet somewhere forever lol.
We'll find it on wallstreetbets.
They’re a breath of fresh air
Some might say, highly regarded
I don't know what you mean, I'm just over here eating crayons
not forever anymore, companies are on a roll to fight off the internet archive (muh licensing that I don't sell anymore) and are deleting entire swaths of websites.
And they’re blaming AI for it.
what did he say?
He called Zhou the r word.
Oh my god, I knew it was bad, didn't know it was this bad. Imagine being called a redditor.
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Nope, that's reserved only for Lance Stroll.
There will be a day where we will call “stupid” the s word. I swear to god.
Swear to the G word please.
Maybe. Language evolves. Words that used to be offensive are not now and other words that used to be acceptable are now offensive. No use in fighting against it.
True. It's even different between borders. I watched a Last Week Tonight episode recently where an English host explained to his American audience that the c word isn't as offensive in the UK as it is I'm the US. While in Australia, they seem to use it as another way of saying hello.
Scarnankant?
Howthafakareyakant?
American women use the c word too as an empowering term "it's giving kant"
What's wrong with identifying reptilians?
oh shit, this makes way more sense. no wonder there's a coverup.
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Hello Danica, I didn't know you have Reddit!
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Is that what people call the hard R?
Just ask Linus.
[Peak Linus moment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFDiuBomSuY)
True gamer moment
A couple years ago Max used the same word during a practice session towards another driver. I don't remember there being any fine for then
He also used Mongoloid and his punishment was weak. There was decent criticism of that so maybe the FIA actually took heed.
You've gotta be a certain level of fast to be allowed to use slurs, apparently.
I have to wonder if he thought it meant 馬鹿野郎 or アホ (bakayaro / aho) in terms of connotation / ~relatively similar terms, and didn't realize that it had other implications in English. Honestly he'd be better off swearing in Japanese to avoid these verbal landmines. Edit: Not excusing his behavior, but I have relatives who have made... inappropriate?... verbal mistakes using words that they don't realize have some colloquial meaning / cultural implication because English is not their native/first language. When asked/explained it becomes obvious they have no idea it could be interpreted other than how they meant it. Like I said, if you want to be safe, swear in your native language.
this mixup with baka/aho and the r-word is something i see fairly often in english fan-translated manga, actually. it always bothered me a bit. as far as tsunoda is concerned, definitely seems like an accident though
WTF is an r word
Regarded, but swap out the G with a T home slice.
Why is that word so bad in english? Could you elaborate please
It’s weird in English. Technically, the word is a science / engineering verb that means “to slow down”. It’s still used in professional circles, and in fact, Airbus aircraft use the word as part of their cockpit computer voice instructions. However, the word is also commonly used as a derogatory slur for people with a mental handicap.
It was chosen as the next word in the euphemism treadmill. I don't know if it's a common occurrence in other languages, but it's a real thing in English.
No it’s not. And the American way of substituting with “x-word” pisses me off; as a non-native speaker it means that either I don’t know what we are talking about (so I learn nothing), or I know and I’m telling myself “oh the mean xylophone” and it achieves nothing because I still “hear it” Makes my head hurt and over complicate things for nothing. You guys give too much power to some words, while not addressing the real issues behind them.
Preach
Yup exactly this
Wow all this for that?
WHAT???? what a waste of people's time
Republican? 😳
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Runt.
Called Stroll a r*tard Edit: Zhou not Stroll
" He tried to call Zhou a Stroll "
I don't get where everyone has the name Stroll from. It was Zhou.
Inherent bias towards certain drivers...
I mean, on the other thread I saw multiple people defending him flinging slurs *because* it's Stroll, and at least two legitimately implying that Stroll is mentally disabled. How fucking much can you hate a person you've never met?
I dunno, I kinda hate whoever made oreos smaller.
That was stroll
I never met Hitler and I hate him It's possible
Verstappen called Stroll that a few years ago
Stroll was the one the other Red Bull driver called a mongoloid.
Scrolling down the context but I see none. If you step outside F1 world for 20 minutes there’s another story you’ve already missed but everyone else gets.
What did he say? What did he do so that they removed the camera shot?
Zhou pulled out in front of him in the pits when they were queuing for another shot at Q1. He got upset and said “these f’ing r-slurs”. His engineer responded to calm him down saying they still had plenty of time. I censored both words because I don’t want to get banned, but the issue was with the r-slur word.
Call me stupid, but as a non-native English speaker I have genuinely no clue, what r-slurs may refer to.
Ya I don't understand why we have to censor a quote of something. It is very strange .
World's gone soft
Regarded
He said “R e t a r d”
D o y o u g e t i t n o w ? R e t a r d ? ?
There’s a famous song by the black eyed peas that use to heavily feature this word until it became ‘not ok’ and then they re-released the song as ‘let’s get it started’
Those 2 versions were released on the same album (I had it). It wasn't "later". The second was the radio edit because even back then you couldn't say that on the airwaves.
Thank you for your summary. Also, your username is beautiful. 👌 I understand you censoring some words. You just don't know what reddit will or will not delete nowadays.
I have a genuine question as a non-native English speaker, so any opinion is appreciated. This word was used in a lot of movies not too long ago. What made it such a bad word? Was it not considered offensive back then?
It probably depends on the movie. Older movies may have come out before it was considered a slur. Alternatively, some movies may have included it intentionally - basically making the character say a slur to make a point. There was a movement a while back to essentially convince people to stop using the word due to the offense it caused certain communities.
Not even too long ago, it was used in the Emma stone film ‘Poor Things’ which came out in 2023. It was also used in the American version of The Office by Steve Carell Martin Brundle has also used the word ‘retardation’ to describe the tyres on multiple occasions in sky commentary. Words are what we make them. They are only bad when combined with hatred.
When it comes to Brundle using that term, that's a different case. Retardation on its own just means a slowing process, for example the drivers wear Fire retardant suits, that's a technical term.
The word technically isn't really a slur, retard means to slow something or hold something back. To say somebody is mentally retarded definitely can be used offensively, but it can also just be factual. If someone is mentally retarded it means their brain power is slowed or held back, so they probably suffer from learning difficulties. Retard can also be used in a engineering/mechanical context as a verb, to retard something.
He wrote that himself, those are the same grammar mistakes he makes while speaking. Glad he did so
That was the first thing I noticed reading it, and I know it might sound silly but it actually made the apology seem genuine and heartfelt, not just a PR reponse. Props to Yuki for aknowledging his mistake and promising to do better.
Same, I read it in his voice even. Take the punishment, learn from the mistake, and move on.
I think PR firms are learning not to touch up statements too much. Let them make imperfect statements, as it'll be received so much better.
All of his posts sound like Yuki wrote them himself, that's why I only follow him on twitter.
Literally could hear his voice saying it.
Well. I was considering the possibility that his PR team deliberately wrote this message in bad grammar or let him do it himself to emphasise that he does indeed have a bad grasp on the language. It seems to be working if that was indeed the case, and if it isn't, well, it truly proves the point. Either way, I believe that he probably didn't understand the word properly. Mistakes like that happen when you aren't a native speaker.
I read it in his voice too
Eh tbh it was a very Yuki moment, he's been working on the radio rage but it's still coming out sometimes. It's good that he's aware. Seemed like a good apology
I think Yuki made an honest mistake. He apologised, and I believe him. Learning a new language, you also pick up what native speakers use. And then it's just trusting you won't pick up the wrong thing I did a French course after secondary school, and after that I started work in a ski resort, around kids. While chatting with my colleagues I'd learned "dégueulasse" in the context of "icky, yucky, distasteful". So I used it when that's what I wanted to say. Until my boss pulled me aside and told me it wasn't appropriate for use in polite conversation ("vulgaire") and I should use "degoutant" instead. Social context for words is very hard to pick up sometimes, and especially if it's being used by people you work/hang out with. I hope Yuki's English-speaking social circle take note (could've been the internet, admittedly)
I recall an interview with Horner or someone that said Yuki thought the f word was a casual word. He was learning English slang from the pit and crew without realizing severity.
He was calling people motherfuckers like you would say “that guy” lmao
That actually goes hard as fuck though 😅
Guess that happens when you learn english at Carlin, those guys are a bit on the wild side when it comes to colorful language.
Hate to break it to you it’s all teams and generally all mechanics
> could've been the internet imagine learning English from gaming chats or rap music ...
I have a cousin that could barely speak English. He became a merchant marine out of school. He joined a ship with different nationalities of veteran sailors. A year later I see him and he's F this, F that, how the F are you doing?
Sounds like a sailor
I work with Japanese people, and we converse and email in English everyday (I dnt speak Japanese). Yeah, this statement sounds like how they write or speak.
The members of Yuki first european team in junior formulas is famous for using curse words as punctuation, that's where he learned english.
Tbh, degueulasse isn't that vulgar, but that's just me.
Might not be vulgar but definitely inappropriate in a professional context.
Also: FOM (or whoever runs F1TV) removed his entire on-board from the qualifying replay. Interesting, I thought they would censor or cut the footage
They probably will but that takes time. Easier to just pull it down for now then reupload later.
Good of him to apologise. This might be necessary for PR, but he still offered to apologise in the meeting with the stewards.
What happened? I didn’t watch it live.
He called zhou the r-word. He didn't know it was a slur - probably thought it was a synonym for stupid (but said when angry). He apologized and is paying 20,000 in fine money (it will be payed again if he does it again).
English isnt my first language. What's the r-word ?
Renault
Excuse me, we prefer the term "Alpine-abled"
€20,000 fine
Guys, you can use a word in the context of explaining it to people. The R-word is "Retard". This word is used as a slur if someone does something stupid. Its regarded as a slur because it was a common (oppressive) term for people with certain disabilities. If you cant teach people words, their meaning and why theyre bad, people will use them. They will fade, but not without teaching people why.
Rigger
-Scooby Doo
Russy
Technically it has a mechanical meaning of slowing something down
Wtf is the r-word??
Write delay in English->French google translate.
He said the name Ricardo in way that could be offensive.
What did he say?
Called Zhou a re--rd
That’s it?
Zhou is one of the regarded drivers of all time.
The ultimate question is who is more regarded, Zhou or Stroll? I regard them both highly tbh, hard to decide.
Exactly dude! Exactly!
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Max literally says that word all the time lol
Try landing an Airbus
Lol that's it?
Why in the fuck did I have to scroll this far to find this. Slacking, you *****s
i'm still confused why so many people were acting like he definitely knew the implications of the word. he's ESL and he moved to europe pretty late in life (5 years ago, so when he was around 19). it's not unreasonable to think that he simply didn't know the depth of what it meant other than being a word colloquially used for "bad". it's good he apologised, but some of the things people were saying about him were like major overassumptions about his character.
I don't know the implications, ESL speaker here, I thought it was just a soft insult, like dumb.
It's a worse slur in British English compared to American English. The poor French have no chance since it's the standard word for late in french.
In American it’s also a bad slur depending on your crowd
it wasn’t really seen as super offensive until relatively recently at least in the US. It was always crass but now it’s pretty much considered a slur by most. This is obviously about calling someone that’s not developmentally challenged that, it was always bad to say it to someone who is.
Yeah, don't go visit r/USMC
Yut
Many people treat that word as just another way of calling someone dumb. English is not my first language aswell and When I found out what other people think of this word I was talking to some friends about it and a buddy said "why would people think we would be making fun of someone that was born that way, it's common sense" and I do agree that I don't think someone is going to make fun of someone that was born with an unchangeable condition but well things are a way in some places and a different way in others so I get the punishment. I just think that some words need to lose their power, that a word like this one shouldn't be associated with people with mental difficulties.
It used to be a medical term, that turned into common vernacular to call a person with a condition, then turned into a soft / hard insult, then recently relatively successfully lobbied to be seen as a slur.
Same for the word "lame", it used to be a word for a person with disability like a limp.
Sure, but nobody would consider "lame" to be even a hard insult, let alone a slur.
Not yet anyway lol
Wondering how many of these words will end up being considered 'insults' in the future.
Lame is still used for animals who are limping. People at horse events are often checking their horses for Lameness.
Lobbied by who, big Empathy?
Lobbied by [Spread the Word](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_the_Word), among others. But in general a lot of people just got sick of the word I think (myself included).
When I was a teenager in the 00s it was not considered that offensive. We all used it liberally and you would hear it in pretty mainstream movies/tv and comedy routines. Its treated much more seriously now. I don't think it's a bad change, just pointing it out. Myself and a lot of other millennial have had to remove it from our vocabulary.
It’s become more recognised as a heinous slur in the past decade or so, it used to be a way to call someone dumb but it was still in relatively poor taste considering it’s a real mental deficiency.
The fact that it isn’t that common anymore might have contributed to him not realizing the connotations. He probably heard used on iRacing or something similar(tons of bad language in there that’s gotten other drivers in trouble).
Very easy for the current gravity of the word to have slipped under the radar of an ESL person though. You watch some 90s television and pick it up as a casual but maybe dated insult, not knowing why it's out of current usage. I'd say it's not really talked about to the degree of other dated slurs that were associated with sexual orientation where it'd be a bit easier to know that it's no longer acceptable potentially
Heinous is a bit much
the vast majority of people don’t actually care irl. But obviously things are always different online and definitely its a no no if you’re promoting a brand
And he learned a lot of his English from British Mechanics, he didn't stand much chance of not having a broad lexicon of bad words to pick from with no real awareness of their meaning.
A lot of people assume that knowing the word and knowing its impact are hand-in-hand. But that's normally learned not from your English lessons but from seeing people's reaction to its use, which even for native speakers can be long after you actually learn the word. Especially for this word, many people learned it before it became considered as offensive as it is now. The level of offensiveness of different words with the same definition is not at all constant between languages. A great example is Quebecois French, where a word that just means communion bread is very vulgar. But something like that in English would be the equivalent of either just "bread", which isn't vulgar at all, or saying "Jesus Christ", which better captures the spirit of it but is still extremely mild and only really offensive if you say it in a Church (Lord's name in vain and all that). By the way, this word is not offensive in France at all, so even fluent French speakers still need to know Quebec culture to understand the offensiveness. It's nowhere near as effective to just say this word is roughly as offensive as as it is to actually see the response from English speakers when it's said. Even if Yuki was taught that the word was offensive, it's not really that effective. Plus many tutors themselves are not native English speakers and may not know themselves how offensive the word is. Or they may have learned English a while ago, when it was more acceptable. And of course it's generally discouraged for tutors to teach swear words at all.
As an ESL I’ve lived in an Eng speaking country for years and still find new words that I didn’t know the meaning of. Not excusing his words, but it’s important to see it from his perspective as well
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He said it! He said it!
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I will never understand why this word is on the same level as the n word. It's the same as calling someone a dumbass.
CRUCIFY HIM
If we could hear what drivers thinks while driving, we would hear a lot off insulting stuff.
To be honest, that is the first time I have ever heard that people are upset because someone said that specific word. I just thought it was a normal insult like any other, and it seems like so did Yuki
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thats all of reddit in a nutshell, f1 subreddit especially
It’s nice it’s a genuine apology from him and not his PR team I don’t hold it against yuki, sure it’s stupid and he has to work on his temper, but i’m fairly certain he genuinely didn’t mean offense against anyone other than the drivers he was talking about Yuki is an angry guy with a big mouth, but he’s not a bad person
He obviously knew it was a mean thing to say, but I think there is a very good chance, as a second language, he might not have understood all the connotations of the word. For example, he might have understood it to hold as much weight as "stupid" or a bit worse - but not the weight it actually holds to a native English speaker. They always joke he learned English from hanging around mechanics from a young age so I can definitely see how he got there. Anyhoo, I doubt he'll use it again lol
Especially if there isn't a direct translation to Japanese.
Yep. In India, a lot of my friends would use it as a common word for being 'stupid', just in a more friendly sense. I came to America, used it once or twice, and almost faced a suspension (school) before I learned that it was a slur. Afaik, we have no direct translation for it either -- a lot of languages don't have a literal one.
Especially languages that have little to no similarities, such as Japanese and English.
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I had to scroll so far to be sure that that was the “r-word”.
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He did 😂😭
r/casualUK had to go to the reddit admins and get them to tone down their automated moderation systems, because people who were discussing a type of british meatball with the same name as the F word were being auto-banned. Context matters.
Yeah I got banned from messaging on here for 7 days ages ago for messaging a friend “brb im off to smoke a cig” - but swap ‘cig’ for the British word for a cigarette. He didn’t report me, Reddit auto detected it. Madness.
It's a shame that that food is sooooo fucking good yet I can never ask if anyone wants it for dinner cuz I always remember when I'm out in public at the shops or something haha
Wait...he actually got deleted?
There are certain words that makes the comment get automatically deleted and in other sites the posts/comments don't even get published. That's why people now say "Unalive". E: RIP the user I replied to, got filtered.
Which is equally as ridiculous as it actively silences discussions.
It absolutely does, and it does nothing at all to prevent people from saying awful things. But guess what, Reddit is publicly listed now, so they need to keep shareholders happy.
Reddit is still fine using 'dead' over 'unalive'. 'Unalive' only really took off from Tiktok due to their heavy censoriship. But, it's caught onto normal vocab that people use on platforms that don't even have aggressive censorship.
Dude obviously fucked up, but just as obviously he didn't understand how bad the word is. This is probably the most sincere and believable apologies I've seen in F1, and I hope everyone will let it go already.
I find that it is in bad taste for F1 to pretend to have ethics at all, considering the shit that is glossed over. Don’t really see why Yuki should be held accountable beyond a fine and a sincere apology
Mhm. A sport that rolls in blood money pretending to care as much as the people who get offended on behalf of others. Love me some savior complex.
agree. Nothing to see here, we all should move on.
Wait… are there lot of counties in the world that are really really offended by this or is this an American thing again?
I'm from the U.K. and it's an offensive word here but everyone on this thread who won't even write the word is blowing my mind a little. In western context I'd only not write the n-word purely for cultural reasons. Everything else is fair play, you can swear on the internet!
It gets deleted if you post it, even if you are French and trying to say ‘Je suis en’
In America you can watch people shoot each other to pieces in films (or real life, but oh no if someone says a nono-word
I think its an american thing….
I’m baffled, it’s daily used word here where I live in Europe.
It's an American thing
We are really at the point where we cant even quote what he said just for context?
He's a good egg.
Seriously, from the start he's owned up to having a temper and saying impulsive things on radio and clearly has no desire to hurt others ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well, at least he apologized. Some people don't even do that.
Will this situation lead to an amusing period of drivers coming up with even more ridiculous exclamations in order not to get fined? _He's a nutbag!_ _Your mother was a snowblower!_ _I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!_
Strange that Max said the same [thing](https://youtu.be/605M5cdF8rs?si=TBxEpAj9npxtA8kY) after Ricciardo bumped into him years back and nothing happened.
Good, we can move on from this
Honestly us as a society have become so thin skinned and snowflakes to any mere hint of offense these days. We have to censor words like death, rape, drugs or sex as if theyre deathly dangerous words. Smh
That's why people use 'unalived'? that's fucked up.
People say unalived to get around demonetisation
Max and Alonso should be permanently banned if that was the case lol
Oh yeah? And what happened when Helmut Marko said that Perez hasn't the concentration or focus because He is SOUTHAMERICAN and He is not GERMAN? Exactly! Nothing happened.