Welp, I am by no means a Max supporter, and I wasn't even watching at the time, but the Max vs. Ocon unlapping move would have ended with french blood in the paddock if I was in Max's situation.
they want the overtake scenario to go like this:
driver A: "oyy mate, can i overtake you?"
driver B: "sure bud, go ahead"
driver A: "nice, thanks mate"
driver B: "hey can i overtake you to regain my previous position?"
driver A: "sure no problem"
driver B: "splendid, thank you"
F1 fans when racing drivers are racing. On the real note though, first fans cried that we get no racing due to Red Bull dominance. Then we finally get some intense racing and suddenly it is bad that these two are fighting hard for the win. Isn't this exactly what we wanted to see?
Imo everything was fine until the contact, and even then it was a pretty minor wheel touch that had unusually severe consequences. A couple mm here or there and it would've been nothing. Good to see Max under pressure for real again.
Exactly, I don't know why they are crying when we have a fight for P1? it's the best thing that could happen and accidents happen all the time in motorsport
It's mainly hardcore max fans. There's finally someone that can put pressure on max since lewis in 21 and now they are all going crazy. It went from max having a good car to some saying lando has had the better car all season but max is just better
I have the solution. One lap Quali, one car on track at a time. And races under VSC. No more FP, that's useless anyway, who needs FP when we they have simulators?
Jesus Christ, this is still going on.
Norris was overzealous, Verstappen was unforgiving, one was more at fault than the other, nobody needs to open a new thread on dank because they know /formula1 won't allow it, none of your thoughts are that special that it warrants its own thread.
Too many people who want attention man.
This sub is a MV echo chamber. They see him get some heat and immediately lash out.
Max is flat out at fault for causing the collision. It’s the reason he got a penalty, but I can agree the incident was relatively minor and only looked worse because the light touch resulted in two freak punctures destroying both their races.
That said, good lord, the bitching and crying from MV fans is worse than anything that happened last weekend.
Controversial take:
Both drivers could've done a better job during the battle and both drivers experienced a bit of bad luck with the punctures, since the contact was really small.
It's only a raging topic because it happened at the front and decided the winner, nobody gives two shits about the Alpines for example, because they didn't hit each other while pushing each other off.
It's also a big topic because the Brit dominated media made a storm in a teacup about since it was Lando and then the Max people became stupidly defensive over a contact that was blatantly Max's fault. This is not even in the top 10 Max's worst war crimes and they are treating it as if he tried to murder Lando or something, and some Max's fans can't admit his fault in it.
None of those is forbidden, except moving under braking, which was a thing nobody used to do because it is dangerous and everybody understood that. Then MV in the crashtappen years did it so regurlarly that they had to write it down as a rule. Funnily it was very rarely enforced in the first year (that was the whole point AS was failing to make after Austria). After that nobody come close to overtake Verstappen on track until a few races.
It's not forbidden, it kinda falls under "dangerous driving" or "no erratic driving", but it's not explicitly forbidden. That's just how F1 rules work nowadays, less consistency than a russian artillery barrel.
It is true. If you were watching in 2016 you would remember that he did it so much they had to write a rule for it. Ironically it was first enforced when Vettel did it to Ricciardo in Mexico that year.
Which they nearly immediately removed and as you just pointed out at least one other WDC does it and if you actually have seen more than just last weekend you would know it is regularly done to some degree when defending.
So again, what I quoted from your comment is 100% untrue. Either due to your lack of knowledge or purposefully trying to mislead people (lying).
Its not forbidden, it was for a single year and they removed it again because it restricted racing too much. Its just a "dangerous driving in the braking zone" rule now. A slow squeeze like we often see in Austria T3 and T4 isn't dangerous, the only reason Max got punished was for the contact and subsequent punctures. Plenty of clips of the T3 squeeze has been posted since w/ other drivers doing it, like Lewis, Vettel, Sainz, Leclerc etc.
Again, Max never got punished for moving under braking, it was for the contact.
Edit:
[Autosport.com](http://Autosport.com) in 2017:
>FIA has dropped the 'Max Verstappen rule' governing Formula 1 driver conduct in braking zones as part of its bid to allow greater freedom on-track in 2017
[https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/)
[Motorsport.com](http://Motorsport.com) in 2024:
>The short-lived Verstappen rule, implemented throughout the 2016 season to curb moving under braking, has long gone and was quickly replaced by a catch-all clause that covers potentially dangerous and erratic driving
[https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/should-the-fia-clamp-down-on-verstappen-style-defending-our-f1-writers-have-their-say/10630363/](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/should-the-fia-clamp-down-on-verstappen-style-defending-our-f1-writers-have-their-say/10630363/)
Edit 2: Fun fact, the only driver that ever actually got punished for moving under braking is Vettel, which iirc was one of the people complaining the most about Max doing it :')
One reason not all drivers do it is because it’s really fuck hard to do. Most drivers have made a decision about how they are taking the corner when they hit the brakes.
It’s like the meme about stroll about not checking his mirror. More than half that grid does that while breaking.
What’s the point of getting worked up over this? It’s open wheel racing, incidents like this are a natural consequence of close open wheel races. As a McLaren fan, this is what we want! This is exciting! We have proper racing for 1st now.
Crazy divebombings and dangerous moving under breaking are forbidden, indeed.
The craziest thing is the accident happened with a nice late breaking from Lando and a slight diagonal breaking from Max, when previous laps there were stupid divebombsfrom Lando and dangerous moves under braking grom Max.
The irony.
The issue is mainly because people refuse to recognize that both of them were over the limit lap after lap and on one of the earlier laps Max had equally taken evasive action when Lando overshot the corner and blocked the whole track in front of him or both pushed each other wide off the track. Both were hungry both lost as the result.
As I've said elsewhere Lando needs to learn to keep his cool.
Why are you guys pretending that only overtakes to Max count as racing?
We've seen Alonso battling with Perez, Hamilton, or Russell with Lando and Leclerc and the only case where you are crying is this one? The others have had contacts and ilegal moves too and no one cried like this.
Max's re-passing off the track in lap 63 and not handing position back to Lando was the bigger issue. Lando recognised when he had done this a lap prior and gave the position back. There needs to be better and more timely issuing of penalties for this. All things being fair, Max would not have been in the lead by the time of the crash.
Teams should be required to put in a change control request in advance of an overtake stewards should review it before the action can take place. That is fair
Nope. There are clear rules on how to overtake and how to defend. From what I saw Lando was being respectful of the rules and historically has been more than fair around Max.
Max kept moving and changing his line under braking which is clearly against the rules (which were originally put in place SPECIFICALLY because of Max’s way of swerving at the last second to defend dangerously).
Max had no reason to cause this collision because he could have just passed Lando again on the straight (like he did earlier) with DRS but he is used to getting his way and thinks he can do whatever he wants.
It can be, it simply falls under erratic driving. Generally applied with double moves or when the other.driver has.to take drastic evasive action. Moving under braking is done literally all the time and isn't against the rules.
That is why we should only race in Monaco, no gap, no overtakes! And all drivers can remain best friends!
Too dangerous! What if someone still crashes? They need to be put on rails, also to prepare for a sustainable world.
Maybe link them together so no one falls behind risking backmarkers fucking up for frontrunners.
Welp, I am by no means a Max supporter, and I wasn't even watching at the time, but the Max vs. Ocon unlapping move would have ended with french blood in the paddock if I was in Max's situation.
For more structural integrity the front and back one should also be linked together
car centipede cartipede
From moncoque to polycoque.
I was talking to a guy and he said its good that they remove DRS because its dangerous. There was 1 crash. I couldnt believe what i am hearing.
I don’t think Ocon agrees with no overtaking at Monaco
1 career sacrifice by Ocon
WAT DEED HEE DOOOOOOOOO
*Gasly intensifies*
Half way I always fall asleep because watching paint dry is more exiting than Monaco race. Only qualifying is exiting.
Not unless this friend is on provisional pole and crashes.
Rosberg and Hamilton entered the chat
No, we only race in Spa-Francochamps, but only if it rains, for 2 laps behind the safety car.
And giving Mazepin the Fastest Lap
I'm just glad we're all arguing again
What the fuck did you say to me?
How am I supposed to be an asshole to you if I don’t know where you are from and which driver you lust for?
Quali decides the finishing order!!! /s
I think f1 should just change to time trials or a rally. Staggered starts and on public roads. Also add jumps.
Banana power ups would finally be menacing.
Only way for Leclerc to become world champ rn
they want the overtake scenario to go like this: driver A: "oyy mate, can i overtake you?" driver B: "sure bud, go ahead" driver A: "nice, thanks mate" driver B: "hey can i overtake you to regain my previous position?" driver A: "sure no problem" driver B: "splendid, thank you"
So the sprint race!
Sounds like your standard DRS overtake
F1 fans when racing drivers are racing. On the real note though, first fans cried that we get no racing due to Red Bull dominance. Then we finally get some intense racing and suddenly it is bad that these two are fighting hard for the win. Isn't this exactly what we wanted to see?
Imo everything was fine until the contact, and even then it was a pretty minor wheel touch that had unusually severe consequences. A couple mm here or there and it would've been nothing. Good to see Max under pressure for real again.
Race incident. To many rules. Let them race.
Exactly, I don't know why they are crying when we have a fight for P1? it's the best thing that could happen and accidents happen all the time in motorsport
People want more on track action, yet we set the starting order from fastest to slowest in quali. They need a new format
Exactly.
It's mainly hardcore max fans. There's finally someone that can put pressure on max since lewis in 21 and now they are all going crazy. It went from max having a good car to some saying lando has had the better car all season but max is just better
Yeah but only moving under braking is actually forbidden…
Thank you
Show me that rule
Is it really though? We’ve had several cases with Sainz and Russell for example. The stewards have been ignoring it for a long ass time.
It is on the rules set... so yes. But like everything the stewards do whatever the fuck they want. Fuck the rule book.
It might as well be in the morning newspaper, they never enforce the rule.
Moving on the brakes alone is Infact not against the rules
Racing line?
Sorry?
Well three of those things aren’t a penalty.
lol exactly. “Waaaah people crying our god is doing his usual illegal shit”
All 4 aren't.... Show me the rule against moving under braking.
Your mom moves under breaking.
I have the solution. One lap Quali, one car on track at a time. And races under VSC. No more FP, that's useless anyway, who needs FP when we they have simulators?
For the love of everything unholy, I know you're being sarcastic, but PLEASE don't give them any ideas
Jesus Christ, this is still going on. Norris was overzealous, Verstappen was unforgiving, one was more at fault than the other, nobody needs to open a new thread on dank because they know /formula1 won't allow it, none of your thoughts are that special that it warrants its own thread. Too many people who want attention man.
Get ‘em
Ngl, it felt way too good to hear someone say "get em" like this is Method Man and Redman in How High
My man.
This sub is a MV echo chamber. They see him get some heat and immediately lash out. Max is flat out at fault for causing the collision. It’s the reason he got a penalty, but I can agree the incident was relatively minor and only looked worse because the light touch resulted in two freak punctures destroying both their races. That said, good lord, the bitching and crying from MV fans is worse than anything that happened last weekend.
Pretty much, the amount of ridiculousness was actually making me crazy, had to step back for a second ngl
Controversial take: Both drivers could've done a better job during the battle and both drivers experienced a bit of bad luck with the punctures, since the contact was really small. It's only a raging topic because it happened at the front and decided the winner, nobody gives two shits about the Alpines for example, because they didn't hit each other while pushing each other off.
It's also a big topic because the Brit dominated media made a storm in a teacup about since it was Lando and then the Max people became stupidly defensive over a contact that was blatantly Max's fault. This is not even in the top 10 Max's worst war crimes and they are treating it as if he tried to murder Lando or something, and some Max's fans can't admit his fault in it.
It's a good take, at least they tried, one tried to overtake and the other to defend, yes it was bad luck but it is what motorsport is supposed to be
None of those is forbidden, except moving under braking, which was a thing nobody used to do because it is dangerous and everybody understood that. Then MV in the crashtappen years did it so regurlarly that they had to write it down as a rule. Funnily it was very rarely enforced in the first year (that was the whole point AS was failing to make after Austria). After that nobody come close to overtake Verstappen on track until a few races.
It's not forbidden, it kinda falls under "dangerous driving" or "no erratic driving", but it's not explicitly forbidden. That's just how F1 rules work nowadays, less consistency than a russian artillery barrel.
/s? Or is this new rule in the room with is right now?
>None of those is forbidden, except moving under braking, which was a thing nobody used to do Lol everything about this is wrong.
It is true. If you were watching in 2016 you would remember that he did it so much they had to write a rule for it. Ironically it was first enforced when Vettel did it to Ricciardo in Mexico that year.
Which they nearly immediately removed and as you just pointed out at least one other WDC does it and if you actually have seen more than just last weekend you would know it is regularly done to some degree when defending. So again, what I quoted from your comment is 100% untrue. Either due to your lack of knowledge or purposefully trying to mislead people (lying).
You never quoted my comment
Eh, the comment I quoted. I don't really take note of the user names of people that are clueless or lying.
That would be you and the other blind max fans
Ohhh, lol. Good one. It's about as mature as Lando crying "We're not fwends anymore" and just as embarrassing for you LMAO. Be mad, kid.
Clarkson has the only valid take
Moving under breaking is like actually forbidden and with good reason.
there was a post in the main sub which said it is not forbidden. I wonder why don't all the drivers do the same. Are they stupid?
Its not forbidden, it was for a single year and they removed it again because it restricted racing too much. Its just a "dangerous driving in the braking zone" rule now. A slow squeeze like we often see in Austria T3 and T4 isn't dangerous, the only reason Max got punished was for the contact and subsequent punctures. Plenty of clips of the T3 squeeze has been posted since w/ other drivers doing it, like Lewis, Vettel, Sainz, Leclerc etc. Again, Max never got punished for moving under braking, it was for the contact. Edit: [Autosport.com](http://Autosport.com) in 2017: >FIA has dropped the 'Max Verstappen rule' governing Formula 1 driver conduct in braking zones as part of its bid to allow greater freedom on-track in 2017 [https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-drops-max-verstappen-rule-covering-formula-1-braking-zones-5019118/5019118/) [Motorsport.com](http://Motorsport.com) in 2024: >The short-lived Verstappen rule, implemented throughout the 2016 season to curb moving under braking, has long gone and was quickly replaced by a catch-all clause that covers potentially dangerous and erratic driving [https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/should-the-fia-clamp-down-on-verstappen-style-defending-our-f1-writers-have-their-say/10630363/](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/should-the-fia-clamp-down-on-verstappen-style-defending-our-f1-writers-have-their-say/10630363/) Edit 2: Fun fact, the only driver that ever actually got punished for moving under braking is Vettel, which iirc was one of the people complaining the most about Max doing it :')
found the guy!
That wasn't me, but they were right, and I'm right.
All the drivers do the same thing in that corner though?
Yup
One reason not all drivers do it is because it’s really fuck hard to do. Most drivers have made a decision about how they are taking the corner when they hit the brakes. It’s like the meme about stroll about not checking his mirror. More than half that grid does that while breaking.
So is pushing someone off track, with good reason
Oh definitely. That was just not in the pic. Of course it should be.
It only is when they aren’t british
Yeah, well, we have a first Norris fans vs Max fans situation here. Lot of good fun to say the least!
f1 could be safer if it was just rc controlled /s. let it go full mad max mode then
Ah so this is why every new track is a street track with barely any overtaking. And I thought it was just the money. Liberty played us all along
All of you bitching about the incident wouldn’t have survived the 1979 French GP at Dijon
What’s the point of getting worked up over this? It’s open wheel racing, incidents like this are a natural consequence of close open wheel races. As a McLaren fan, this is what we want! This is exciting! We have proper racing for 1st now.
Its simple - they're both bitches and drive like bitches.
That’s why fans don’t have a say in it…
We should have this every race
Let's just leave the racing to other series and turn F1 into a time trial event, everyone is happy!
Meanwhile Checo and Fernando circia Brazil 23, overtaking and defending without touching each other.
Crazy divebombings and dangerous moving under breaking are forbidden, indeed. The craziest thing is the accident happened with a nice late breaking from Lando and a slight diagonal breaking from Max, when previous laps there were stupid divebombsfrom Lando and dangerous moves under braking grom Max. The irony.
Just put them in bumper cars if people are so concerned 🙃🙃🙃
Might as well just end the weekend after qualifying…
The issue is mainly because people refuse to recognize that both of them were over the limit lap after lap and on one of the earlier laps Max had equally taken evasive action when Lando overshot the corner and blocked the whole track in front of him or both pushed each other wide off the track. Both were hungry both lost as the result. As I've said elsewhere Lando needs to learn to keep his cool.
These fucking F1 fans (on this sub) apparently hate racing
That move after contact was sketchy, was die with the rest
Some F1 fans would have an aneurysm if they watched IndyCar overtakes
Why all the safety measures if they cant even try to kill each other anymore? Boring.
One of those 4 things is literally against the rules. The others aren’t. Stop trying to both sides his shitty defending.
I assume your talking about moving on the brakes? If so your wrong. At least partially
Pro Tip: only visit F1 subs during off-season. That was one avoids the madness.
They aren’t entirely wrong… the stewards just ended up contradicting past decisions again
rubbing is racing
People are soft
Why are you guys pretending that only overtakes to Max count as racing? We've seen Alonso battling with Perez, Hamilton, or Russell with Lando and Leclerc and the only case where you are crying is this one? The others have had contacts and ilegal moves too and no one cried like this.
Probably because that wasn’t between p1 and p2 in the championship and directly for a race win. Of course this was significantly more spicy.
That proves that you can race and overtake without doing illegal things or doing them and be held accountable.
Lol… except one of those is actually forbidden under the rules…
Which?
Moving under braking
Nope. Moving under braking can in some circumstances be erratic driving but it's not against the rules on its own.
Max's re-passing off the track in lap 63 and not handing position back to Lando was the bigger issue. Lando recognised when he had done this a lap prior and gave the position back. There needs to be better and more timely issuing of penalties for this. All things being fair, Max would not have been in the lead by the time of the crash.
Handing the position back isn’t a rule, and the application of a penalty is wouldn’t have impacted Max being in first at all. You are deeply confused.
Lando handing the place back to Max is good for Max, but Max not handing it back to Lando is good for Max also. Gotcha.
Penalties don’t change your position on the track…
Overtaking off the track does!
Right, which you get a penalty for. I’m not sure what’s so difficult for you to understand about this.
Teams should be required to put in a change control request in advance of an overtake stewards should review it before the action can take place. That is fair
Honestly, people are too soft and it's ruining the sports..
We should do blue flags for everyone. Not just lapped cars. If someone is approaching from behind you have to let him by.
But moving under breaking is objectively a bad thing.
I don't think you understand the word "objectively" it's not even against the rules
>will need a UN resolution Wtf is that supposed to be?
U don't know about the UN?
I don't know what UN stand for in the first place
United nations
Can we all agree this wouldn't have happened on a good track with more overtaking opportunities?
/s?
Said it many times, FM1 is f\*cked with all those stupid rules. Let them race. Go fly a kite FIA.
the delegate of simply lovely would like to propse a moderated caucus
its a MUN joke
Nope. There are clear rules on how to overtake and how to defend. From what I saw Lando was being respectful of the rules and historically has been more than fair around Max. Max kept moving and changing his line under braking which is clearly against the rules (which were originally put in place SPECIFICALLY because of Max’s way of swerving at the last second to defend dangerously). Max had no reason to cause this collision because he could have just passed Lando again on the straight (like he did earlier) with DRS but he is used to getting his way and thinks he can do whatever he wants.
>Max kept moving and changing his line under braking which is clearly against the rules It's not
It actually is.
It can be, it simply falls under erratic driving. Generally applied with double moves or when the other.driver has.to take drastic evasive action. Moving under braking is done literally all the time and isn't against the rules.