“Libertarians” have always loved talking about how they’re some party of true freedom or whatever until you start saying how you’ll let people actually live how they want. Then it’s the fastest mask-off moment and switch to MAGA politics.
They are, and will always be, nothing more than your run of the mill conservatives (or worse tbh) who just happen to like smoking weed
People say that, but my orange boy is the neediest cat I've ever had. He always pesters me for food, he has to always be in the same room as me. If he's able, he'll even keep one paw on me. This is a cat that wouldn't stop meowing the entire time I was on vacation, drove my mom nuts. 😆
It's because they're *stupid*. All they hear is "I can do whatever I want" but they never extend the thought to "other people can do what they want". They literally just want less responsibility to society
I’m libertarian, I don’t really think I’m *stupid* it definitely aligns with what I believe in. Which is just smaller government in general. Anti-War is a big one for me. Tired of the war mongers on both sides. Tired of corrupt government. Both sides. Biggest problem with libertarianism (in my opinion) is that it seems like it would just devolve into populism over time, but I also don’t think that the libertarian party should just take over and be in power all the time. I think it would be nice to get a new perspective in office. Someone who could provide a fresh perspective. Offer some economic insight. We are just a pendulum between left and right and libertarianism is the only rational middle ground that I’ve found. Socially left fiscally right. Sure it’s not perfect but it’s better than choosing between a turd sandwich and a douche (in my opinion). The libertarian party has done a horrible job selecting candidates. As a political organization they kinda suck cause they can’t agree on a bunch of things, but you know what that’s probably a good thing. Check out some of the works of Ludwig Mises you might find it very interesting. Anti-Imperialist and economic liberal works. I’ll probably get downvoted for being different, but that’s okay! Be different!
Because American Libertarianism is just astroturfed nationalists who are too self important to be convinced to join the GOP and have been since the Ron Paul era.
I’ve heard Libertarians described as house cats. They’re convinced of their independence while utterly dependent on a system they don’t understand or appreciate.
This sounds like the first libertarian candidate I actually like in my lifetime.
Based solely on the memes, I mean. I'm certain he has no idea how money works and wants the gold standard back or whatever...
The problem though is that he's a closed book. I cannot find any info on Wikipedia or elsewhere about his education, work history, or any character traits that would convince me he'd responsibly handle the nuclear codes.
I agree, but I also haven't seen any reason I'd trust the rest of the circus of candidates - the main contenders especially - with the nuclear codes either. Just sayin'...
Overall I'm just shocked a Libertarian candidate wasn't a crazy-eyed supervillain wannabe with hyper-conservative ideas of "liberty to choose one of two or three acceptable lifestyle archetypes" for once.
Still not voting for someone who thinks we should have zero financial oversight or that we should buy things with shitcoin and gold bars exclusively.
I thought Libertarians were all about personal freedoms too right? I guess when that transcends religious conservatism they suddenly have a problem with it.
They're for their own personal freedom and nobody else's.
So if they, on their own, want to kill trans people (which they do), that's freedom. If Big Government says "waaahhh, we're woke snowflakes and murder is illegal", that's oppression.
LP was the first political party in the USA to make the legalization of gay marriage a platform issue, and this was back in the 1970s. The people who have a problem with this seem entirely unaware of what party they are affiliating with.
They are unaware of most things but out groups and in groups ( the culture of cis het str8 conservative white people) it seems. These enraged right wing cultists and so called adults w Defiance Disorder just aren’t liberatarians.
Yeah I think you can make a pretty decent argument that conservatives and “libertarians” attitudes on COVID could be a violation of the NAP.
Not that there’s any logical consistency with them in the first place though
I mean, you can come up with 1,000 different interpretations for things, but generally speaking, the government mandating people do things isn't in line with libertarian values. Despite the value of such
>The US Libertarian Party includes a version of the harm principle as part of its official party platform. It states: Criminal laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm.
Yes but let's be real, that isn't really consistent at ALL with many libertarians.
By that logic you could easily argue for gun control, strict laws on rights to using vehicles etc.
Which I agree with, but many "libertarians" do not.
I don't think it would be as easy to apply to the Second Amendment. As far as not being consistent with many libertarians, that's because many libertarians got their understanding of libertarianism from bumper stickers they saw at a trump rally.
There's a reason trump got less that one percent of the vote at libertarian convention and it's because people who are committed enough to libertarianism to go to the convention know that trump has nothing to do with the party.
How many of these memes are coming from the MAGA crowd. They're still seething from the libertarians booing Trump. Like...that's not nearly as bad as Obama speaking at a Klan rally, but about as good of a decision
If just one percent reject Trump and vote libertarian instead, even as a protest vote, he loses. Time to crank up the culture war shit to maximum and make sure the faithful don't stray.
They're mad at libertarians now because they booed Trump at their convention. That's as deep as it gets, they were told to hate libertarians so they hate libertarians. Sheep.
Nothing pisses libertarians off more than people happily and harmlessly living a lifestyle that doesn’t conform to 99% of their own. Anything else and they’re immediately for big government.
You can’t be libertarian without supporting people’s freedom to be lgbt, trying to ban people from doing whatever they want is inherently authoritarian.
Just say you’re conservative and move on.
I don’t like libertarians myself, mostly because they don’t care about businesses screwing us over, but at least they shouldn’t be bigoted at all. Anyone who is unhappy because a gay libertarian leads a party, isn’t a libertarian
Libertarians: “everyone should be free to do what they want without government intervention, unless it’s something I don’t like then they shouldn’t do that”
It’s like the Meatloaf song, “I Would Do Anything For Love(But I Won’t Do That)”
Libertarians by and large actually are ideological.
The true position from Libertarians *IS OPEN BORDERS.* Because they see it as an imposition from the state. I don’t see why they wouldn’t also by that standard be socially liberal.
Does this guy have a chance? No, but libertarians often remind me that I agree with them like half the time.
i really wanna know what makes them make these accusations,
as a libertarian sympofiser does:
transing children mean children can decide there own life’s?
mask and vax mandates mean he acknowledges the work and reduce the spread.
trans women are women
and open borders? that’s just a obvious libertarian policy
I think the covid vaccine is the ultimate in libetarianism as it protects yourself but doesnt really protect others that are unvaxxed. Thus it is easy to have a literal "fuck you got mine" additude to those without one.
So. Other than his gun platform, he doesn’t have a bad platform. Just wouldn’t get anywhere voting wise. Also prob the worst election to vote third party.
“Libertarians” have always loved talking about how they’re some party of true freedom or whatever until you start saying how you’ll let people actually live how they want. Then it’s the fastest mask-off moment and switch to MAGA politics. They are, and will always be, nothing more than your run of the mill conservatives (or worse tbh) who just happen to like smoking weed
They’re the housecats of political parties.
People say that, but my orange boy is the neediest cat I've ever had. He always pesters me for food, he has to always be in the same room as me. If he's able, he'll even keep one paw on me. This is a cat that wouldn't stop meowing the entire time I was on vacation, drove my mom nuts. 😆
That’s adorable( FOR REAL CATS ) not for grown ass adults lol
I'm not seeing a counterpoint
Spot on description of libertarians.
That’s my point
It's because they're *stupid*. All they hear is "I can do whatever I want" but they never extend the thought to "other people can do what they want". They literally just want less responsibility to society
Some libertarians want complete anarchy. Some just want less government involvement in our daily lives. It’s a broad ideology.
I’m libertarian, I don’t really think I’m *stupid* it definitely aligns with what I believe in. Which is just smaller government in general. Anti-War is a big one for me. Tired of the war mongers on both sides. Tired of corrupt government. Both sides. Biggest problem with libertarianism (in my opinion) is that it seems like it would just devolve into populism over time, but I also don’t think that the libertarian party should just take over and be in power all the time. I think it would be nice to get a new perspective in office. Someone who could provide a fresh perspective. Offer some economic insight. We are just a pendulum between left and right and libertarianism is the only rational middle ground that I’ve found. Socially left fiscally right. Sure it’s not perfect but it’s better than choosing between a turd sandwich and a douche (in my opinion). The libertarian party has done a horrible job selecting candidates. As a political organization they kinda suck cause they can’t agree on a bunch of things, but you know what that’s probably a good thing. Check out some of the works of Ludwig Mises you might find it very interesting. Anti-Imperialist and economic liberal works. I’ll probably get downvoted for being different, but that’s okay! Be different!
> Which is just smaller government in general Yeah, because what we need is more power to the corporations and billionaires.
The russian invasion of ukraine in 2022 has led me to believe that sometimes peace needs to be enforced with overwhelming force.
Don't forget, they also want the freedom to pay for sex!
I like to say there's two types of Libertarians: delusional feudalists and disingenuous fascists.
And dislike age of consent laws.
Why would a libertarian not be for open borders?
Because American Libertarianism is just astroturfed nationalists who are too self important to be convinced to join the GOP and have been since the Ron Paul era.
because they're not very familiar with libertarianism.
I've never met a libertarian who was
I’ve heard Libertarians described as house cats. They’re convinced of their independence while utterly dependent on a system they don’t understand or appreciate.
Yea so a candidate actually believes all the stuff libertarians claim to be about and then they reveal themselves as just MAGA2, lol
This sounds like the first libertarian candidate I actually like in my lifetime. Based solely on the memes, I mean. I'm certain he has no idea how money works and wants the gold standard back or whatever...
Anyone who pisses off the "End Wokeness" account is alright by me (this time).
The problem though is that he's a closed book. I cannot find any info on Wikipedia or elsewhere about his education, work history, or any character traits that would convince me he'd responsibly handle the nuclear codes.
I agree, but I also haven't seen any reason I'd trust the rest of the circus of candidates - the main contenders especially - with the nuclear codes either. Just sayin'... Overall I'm just shocked a Libertarian candidate wasn't a crazy-eyed supervillain wannabe with hyper-conservative ideas of "liberty to choose one of two or three acceptable lifestyle archetypes" for once. Still not voting for someone who thinks we should have zero financial oversight or that we should buy things with shitcoin and gold bars exclusively.
I thought Libertarians were all about personal freedoms too right? I guess when that transcends religious conservatism they suddenly have a problem with it.
How can so called libertarians be HOMOPHOBIC??? This makes NO sense. Aren’t these people supposed to be for personal freedom?????
They're for their own personal freedom and nobody else's. So if they, on their own, want to kill trans people (which they do), that's freedom. If Big Government says "waaahhh, we're woke snowflakes and murder is illegal", that's oppression.
It’s the old FreeDUMB for WE ( yt cis het right wing ) but never for THEE- ( everybody else)
The overtly loud minority got co-opted by the far right morons because they could make out the word liberty.
LP was the first political party in the USA to make the legalization of gay marriage a platform issue, and this was back in the 1970s. The people who have a problem with this seem entirely unaware of what party they are affiliating with.
They are unaware of most things but out groups and in groups ( the culture of cis het str8 conservative white people) it seems. These enraged right wing cultists and so called adults w Defiance Disorder just aren’t liberatarians.
The only thing that he supports that's not in line with libertarian values is mask mandates. Assuming he actually supports them.
Mask mandates are consistent with libertarianism.
Yeah I think you can make a pretty decent argument that conservatives and “libertarians” attitudes on COVID could be a violation of the NAP. Not that there’s any logical consistency with them in the first place though
I mean, you can come up with 1,000 different interpretations for things, but generally speaking, the government mandating people do things isn't in line with libertarian values. Despite the value of such
>The US Libertarian Party includes a version of the harm principle as part of its official party platform. It states: Criminal laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm.
Yes but let's be real, that isn't really consistent at ALL with many libertarians. By that logic you could easily argue for gun control, strict laws on rights to using vehicles etc. Which I agree with, but many "libertarians" do not.
I don't think it would be as easy to apply to the Second Amendment. As far as not being consistent with many libertarians, that's because many libertarians got their understanding of libertarianism from bumper stickers they saw at a trump rally. There's a reason trump got less that one percent of the vote at libertarian convention and it's because people who are committed enough to libertarianism to go to the convention know that trump has nothing to do with the party.
How many of these memes are coming from the MAGA crowd. They're still seething from the libertarians booing Trump. Like...that's not nearly as bad as Obama speaking at a Klan rally, but about as good of a decision
100% of them. Any enemy of Trump is an enemy of MAGA.
If just one percent reject Trump and vote libertarian instead, even as a protest vote, he loses. Time to crank up the culture war shit to maximum and make sure the faithful don't stray.
They're mad at libertarians now because they booed Trump at their convention. That's as deep as it gets, they were told to hate libertarians so they hate libertarians. Sheep.
Nothing pisses libertarians off more than people happily and harmlessly living a lifestyle that doesn’t conform to 99% of their own. Anything else and they’re immediately for big government.
"Libertarians" reveal they don't actually know what the word "Libertarian" means, news at eleven.
This is the best ad for the Libertarian party I've ever seen.
For real, now I’m curious to know what his platform is
You can’t be libertarian without supporting people’s freedom to be lgbt, trying to ban people from doing whatever they want is inherently authoritarian.
Nothing says "I have no idea how things work" faster than saying I'm a libertarian."
Just say you’re conservative and move on. I don’t like libertarians myself, mostly because they don’t care about businesses screwing us over, but at least they shouldn’t be bigoted at all. Anyone who is unhappy because a gay libertarian leads a party, isn’t a libertarian
Libertarians: “everyone should be free to do what they want without government intervention, unless it’s something I don’t like then they shouldn’t do that” It’s like the Meatloaf song, “I Would Do Anything For Love(But I Won’t Do That)”
“how can they support this filth” hes literally just gay
“Libertarian” MFs when someone believes in freedom beyond participation in the market:
Libertarians by and large actually are ideological. The true position from Libertarians *IS OPEN BORDERS.* Because they see it as an imposition from the state. I don’t see why they wouldn’t also by that standard be socially liberal. Does this guy have a chance? No, but libertarians often remind me that I agree with them like half the time.
i really wanna know what makes them make these accusations, as a libertarian sympofiser does: transing children mean children can decide there own life’s? mask and vax mandates mean he acknowledges the work and reduce the spread. trans women are women and open borders? that’s just a obvious libertarian policy
I think the covid vaccine is the ultimate in libetarianism as it protects yourself but doesnt really protect others that are unvaxxed. Thus it is easy to have a literal "fuck you got mine" additude to those without one.
Libertarian Party opts to be something other than secular Republicans for the first time in a while and Republicans are *pissed*
A lot of libertarians seem to just be republicans who want legal weed
Wow, so this guy approves of everything the GOP claim the Dems are doing. Huh.
So. Other than his gun platform, he doesn’t have a bad platform. Just wouldn’t get anywhere voting wise. Also prob the worst election to vote third party.
So if they're against personal freedom for certain groups, what exactly separates libertarians from just regular Republicans?
Hipster superiority. The Republican party is so mainstream.
Not sure how she managed to make Libertarians sound borderline cool and not MAGA lite.