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foxholenoob

How can I compete with this? https://i.imgur.com/fonpTyz.png


shmoopel

My God, what kind of advanced neural network is even capable of such calculation?


[deleted]

It is evil magic and it must be burned.


XxDONGLORDxX

Looks dope, where’s that from?


foxholenoob

To be fair its from my custom Foxhole google sheets I use to build stuff out. Its a WIP.


[deleted]

Why have the salvage required as separate columns? Edit: salvage not refined materials


Smug_Rubric

Can we ban Discord its an external tool used for clans to organise in ways they wouldn't be able to in the game


BoughtAndPaid4

Discord is seriously OP. I can talk to my teammates through Discord without having to be near them in game as the devs intend. It's a huge advantage, allowing coordination of operations across hexes much faster than the in-game typing system. Along with all the other features like image hosting, chat logs, and even screen sharing it completely revolutionizes the game, automating a huge amount of what would otherwise be manual communication and organization by players. I understand one faction even has a discord bot that takes the automation one small step further and watches map streams to detect enemy movements. Cool stuff.


Darkest_Settler

If you are in the same squad you can talk to each other by holding g. But yeah, no need for that if you have Discord.


BoughtAndPaid4

Are you sure? Whenever someone in my squad tries to do that I just hear really loud static and incoherent, possibly human, vocalizations. But you are saying that system is actually supposed to transmit speech?


FeniaBukharina

*Voice Chat Error [2]-5006 appears*


submit_to_pewdiepie

And being able to speak in it even while not loaded into any region is seriously just an intelligence edge


lordbaysel

Is it really still external with how much integrated it is? Ban vivox if you have to, we all are going to benefit from it.


Seph491

Don't forget that the Bell Telephone Company is in violation of the TOS as well. They provide landline phone services which allow people to communicate outside of the game which could give an advantage to people who aren't limited only to in game communications. Even more frightening is there is no way the devs could detect using such a thing with an anticheat to stop it.


KeyedFeline

I can go on the internet and see both factions tech. Smh when will the devs hurry up and ban the internet? It gives such a clear advantage to players as a third party tool


GolfBaller17

Wait where can you see that?


XxDONGLORDxX

Foxholetechstats I do not support the website leaking intel but I do support the message about tech they proclaim.


HalfdeadKiller

I don't see the issue with the tech being leaked anymore. What can you do just by knowing what shitty choices the devs have given to the other side? Whatever gets teched will be done without any possible strategic intervention.


GolfBaller17

Cheers! 👍


SurferJ03

Loading screen needs to be nerfed, imo.


Hiddenkaos

I mean, All Third Party Programs that give an unfair advantage but are technically available to both sides in some form includes Discord, Excel and Skynet, as well as any other third party programs that are more clear like aimbots. Seriously though, the specific line just says "use external tools to gain an unfair advantage" Define tools. Define Unfair Advantage. Discord is available to everyone, but it presents a significant advantage over those who don't use it in the form of uninterrupted voice chat and organization options not available in game. Excel allows the creation of spreadsheets using known Data for quick reference, but these spreadsheets are not readily available to everyone in the game, both for lack of knowledge that they exist, and for the lack of a spreadsheet program to open them. It's unlikely every single person who uses them made their own. Skynet provides intel data using Watchtowers, bases, players and the like to watch for Partisan activity, but is only available to a limited number of players due to the general base having no clue it even exists. According to reports, it may also be in use on both sides, though these are unconfirmed as yet. In the strictest terms all three of these are using external tools for an unfair advantage. Now to be clear, I am not making a statement on any of them and whether they should be, I don't care regardless, but the point is that once you start this picking and choosing which third party programs are OK and which aren't you start getting things like this post.


Wolf_Fang1414

I'd argue an external tool that automates something should be banned. IE Skynet automatically scanning for partisans, or a tool that automatically updates a spreadsheet.


throwaway_nfinity

So that one website that tracks progress of the war should be banned too? Foxholestats I believe.


MrDioggo

Foxhole stats reads information through the War API and only displays "public" information to both sides, displaying game info thats provided by the API through a website. Skynet reads your screen, detects blue dots in regions and relays information to the rest of the of your team way faster than a Human can do. Which itself could be considered an unfair advantage.


Hiddenkaos

The only part of this that is wrong is that it doesn't relay anything to the rest of the team, only the select few that actually use it, and know what it do with that information. It technically doesn't do anything a human can't but it is indeed faster, hence my initial comment(I don't use it so I really could go either way to be honest, I'm just tired of inane arguments like the OP.)


shmoopel

I would argue the time it takes to parse the kind of shitty pings it gives out takes far longer than just looking at the map.


Irenia3820

So multiboxing is allowed too according to your terms.


Hiddenkaos

Did you read anything I actually said? By my reasoning all of it is using outside programs for an unfair advantage. The thing is, if you're going to pick and choose(and by you're I mean the devs) it has to be based on actual harm to the game, not individual player opinion. If they javent banned it, there's a reason.


Irenia3820

they havent banned input broadcasting too for 3 years so it means there was a reason too? Stupid logic.


Hiddenkaos

You really just want to be mad, so I'll leave you to it. Ranting to anyone who will listen on reddit won't change the devs minds on something they are literally in communication with the creator of. Good luck tho.


Irenia3820

It changed their mind on Input broadcasting and logi changes. It's like saying strikes have no affect lol.


Hiddenkaos

Question, who's throwaway reddit account are you? Like, if you feel so strongly about this, surely you'd use your main account right? It would give more weight to your opinions surely.


Irenia3820

I'm not a throw away account. I will tell you what happened, but its a long and twisted story so Ill just summarize. I downloaded a Sony Vegas crack to make some videos - the crack had a hack. Everything was hacked, my bank account, my google account, my amazon, everything. (Thats what I get xdddd) I recovered my google account but by that time the person got it banned. Somehow though, my google account got unbanned. But at the same time its still banned on the API or something because I cant login with that google account on any other website anymore. So I cant login to reddit. I request password reset, it gets reset but I cant use it. There is something seriously fucked with my google account atm, so I use 2nd accounts for everything that has a google service now because I got no choice and getting a human to help you at google is like impossible I tried for weeks lol. Yeah anyway... Yes this is not my main account, but its not my choice lol.


Darkfowl

Literally yes multiboxing is ok if you aren’t input broadcasting lmao


Irenia3820

Which is bad.


Naja42

I mean if you got excel to automatically import game data then yeah


awake30

Ok so is everyone joking about skynet or is there an actual program people are using?


OLAisHERE

Its a shitty map scanner that collies have, altough very few uses it.


Quirky-Ad3721

Yet so many are defending it?


FeniaBukharina

To put it in the most blunt way possible, it's a salt mine we enjoy.


Quirky-Ad3721

So... griefing then?


Flamoirs

Because, you call the entier Faction cheater for no reason So the entier Faction awake to defend themselvs about this accusation We are no defending an unfair tool We are defendng the fact that aving this tool is not making us cheater


saladapranzo

It's so useless it's basically harmless


Quirky-Ad3721

People went to all this trouble to make and then defend a useless tool?


shmoopel

I would phrase it more like "people had the passion to make a neat tool in a game they are clearly quite fond of". Even if it doesn't really do anything, I still love to see people with the interest to try and make things like it.


Ashes42

People went to all this trouble to attack a useless tool. This whole conversation is wardens saying “we’re losing because of this tool” and colonials saying “nah bro, that’s not it”. Wardens generally retort with, “then why not just ban it”. Which is a nonsensical position, which could be easily phrased as “ban this persons side project to make me feel better about losing.” Then the salt mining kicks in.


awake30

Interesting, sounds lame


Flaktrack

Colonials think use of Excel is comparable to Skynet because they think Excel is black magic.


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Wardens think use of Skynet is comparable to multiboxing because they think Skynet is black magic


throwaway_nfinity

Dude. I'm a warden and it sort of is the same....


Cartoonjunkies

Both sides have access to excel. Both sides do not have access to skynet.


StormontCounty

They do though, wardens have their own version and they're withholding from the general public to try and maintain some sort of moral high ground XD (also because it's not as good lmao)


Cartoonjunkies

I’ve never seen it. Do you have proof of this? Does anyone? If someone can prove it exists, okay cool. Both sides are even.


StormontCounty

Was told by warden clan brass when they were taking BREAK WAR XD on the collie side. It exists but isn't being released. Warden clans hoarding SKYNETS now XD


Cartoonjunkies

Again, do you have proof of this? A screenshot? A warden clan that’ll admit to it?


StormontCounty

why would I screencap/record a convo about a non-issue from several wars ago? why would I record or screencap a convo at all? you don't have to believe me, but KGG were gloating about it when their leaders came over to play Colonial


Maxwell_z0

So u got no proof.


submit_to_pewdiepie

He has his word you don't need more


Maxwell_z0

When ur right ur right


_-Deliverance-_

Vinnie is not someone who would lie lmao, most genuine player in foxhole


Amliko

Thing is. We don't have our own skynet. So whatever that warden said is a lie and he believed it without any evidence.


StormontCounty

So you're calling Xyara from KGG a liar then? XD


[deleted]

Damn I didn’t realize Kaskow patented and copyrighted Skynet.


Cartoonjunkies

That’s a strawman argument and you know it. Wardens don’t have access to the application or the code.


xXFirebladeXx321

Dude, its literally a bot that scans a stream for blue pixels, shouldn't be that hard to make if you know coding. I wonder if you will find coders in the warden faction though, hopefully you do, I would like to see a warden version of skynet.


[deleted]

So make your own? Both sides might have access to excel, but they don’t have access to the *same* excel document.


Irenia3820

Do you like it or not he is very talented and doing something like that takes a lot of time which most people are not gonna commit purely out of spite. Besides I think the game would be better without those kind of tools anyway so it kind of seems like a waste of time to develop a tool just to prove a point and get it banned.


xXFirebladeXx321

But it isn't banned and it isn't even that useful? If it was as useful as wardens claim it is, we would have like 100s of people using it.


Irenia3820

It isn't banned yet. Just as input broadcasting was allowed until it spiraled out of control. The same thing will happen with this kind of tools. Honestly I really appreciate the time and effort it took to create this tool, whoever did it is obviously a skilled programmer but such tools don't belong in Foxhole. The whole game is about cooperation not automating everything to bots (or afk players, same thing). It doesn't matter how useful it is it should be removed because it directly benefits one faction over the other which is just not good sport. And I heard the idiotic suggestions of 'just make ur own lol'. No the point is I don't want people to make more of this shit. I want less of it not more. Just do Wardens a solid and remove it before we have both factions abusing every single bit of minmax potential out of everything and have a sea of bullshit. Just not long ago I remember the pirate king debacle. I was a Colonial then and when I saw this shit it pissed me the fuck off. Was it useful? Absolutely not. The man was taking up 6 slots in the team to run a suicide mission every 10mins. It was hurting Wardens more than helping them. But it was still banned, because it was bullshit. Just as Skynet is. The same thing happened to Eve I can see it happen here too. It was the same mindset, the same community vibe. Better put an end to it before it starts. You can think what you want of me, I am not a faction loyalist, my intent are really pure I have no stake in the teams I play both I just don't want this game to devolve into this kind of bullshit and the reason I am pushing so hard for it is because I already seen all of this happen and play out in other games.


StormontCounty

it's not going anywhere XD cope harder


Irenia3820

It will eventually, when you see what it will cause to happen.


xXFirebladeXx321

Well even if you can make 6-7 more alternate reddit accounts instead of using your main account for spamming "Day X of wondering why Skynet isn't banned", then you won't get anywhere. Get some balls and use your main account, instead of creating multiple fake throwaways to try to cause drama about a tool that literally nobody uses.


FrGravel

Both sides have access to the map


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xX36ON0SC0P3Xx

...its satire.


Serryll

man, colonials went from “lol skynet isn’t even that helpful” to defending it tooth and nail really quick.


Mike6411

My brother in Callahan you've completely missed the point


[deleted]

I wouldn't classify this post as defending it tooth and nail as much as just clowning on those making such a big number about it.


slapthebasegod

It's hilarious to me that a bunch of bots tied together reading in-game data and automatically posting changes in that data is being compared to fucking excel. The issue is obviously the automation and not the tool being external.


eTheBlack

But Excel documents can be sync and automated or you dont know that?


slapthebasegod

You aren't understanding the issue still... I don't care if excel has automation. If the data being input into it comes from an automated source then I have an issue. Not very hard to understand.


NikitaGibKappa

No we are just memeing on the people reposting their shit every day.


Serryll

Colonials “memeing about reposting shit” is pretty ironic


NikitaGibKappa

Dude gets his posts deleted every day and yet continues to post it again, plenty of reasons to meme on him.


StormontCounty

man, wardens went from day 1 queues to BREAK WAR XD really quick


Serryll

We had a queue day 1? Because I played almost all of day 1 and never saw a global queue lol


Mosinphile

Break war - the moment we get pushed back in 4 mammons rushes.


Serryll

Collies laughing about not playing the game period when they also don’t play because they let bots they created play for them. Which is actually worse lol’d


Mosinphile

Go back to your break war, we all know you guys have 0 clue how to play with gaps being filled, ba bye


Serryll

guarantee you the only gaps here is the clear skill gap made brutally apparent by the colonials’ need to let a computer play the game for them and the gap between ur teeth. 🤓


Mosinphile

Mmmmmm 1.0s gonna be great, I hope your ready for it :D


Legionary-4

Break war.


Serryll

I am proud to announce that I am taking a break this war due to colonials once again automating half of their side of the game instead of playing properly.


StormontCounty

We get it dude, you're on BREAK WAR XD. go have a MOVIE NIGHT XD with the other quitters


saladapranzo

Morse code telegraph is literally an enormous advantage and needs to be nerfed


Irenia3820

It doesn't. It processes existing data it doesn't generate new data. Unlike Skynet.


NordicToast

Press m


Irenia3820

Pressing m and Skynet is not the same but thats ok. If Skynet is fine so is multiboxing.


shmoopel

Skynet doesn't generate new data.


Irenia3820

Yes it does. It scans the map and alerts of partisans. That is new data. It's an active tool. A spreadshit aint gonna alert you of shit it can just process static data.


Davilopy

You have absolutely no idea how advanced you can make a spreadsheet.


[deleted]

There are excel spreadsheets where you take a screenshot of a stockpile, it scans it, and then makes a spreadsheet of what you need to produce


passionpaindemonslay

please ban excel!


Darkstalker115

Work in progress there will be one who can tell what stuff you have in clan depo and sent your clan mates orders what to produce


slapthebasegod

That's not an excel sheet doing that. It's a program that generates an excel report and yes that should be banned to but isn't really that big of a deal.


[deleted]

Why should that be banned


slapthebasegod

It's harmless but technically against the rules as written. I don't really think something like that should go away.


HKO2006

Is it possible to learn this power?


[deleted]

I don’t have it but the SHIELD guys use it. They’ve been inactive for a little though


ukuuku7

Define "new data"


wojtekpolska

have you ever used excel? its not a fucking database its used for calculating stuff it definitely does generate new data


slapthebasegod

That's honestly an idiotic take.


HowerdBlanch

It is literally not a data base. It is a data sheet, MS Access is the database program.


slapthebasegod

That's not what I have an issue with. What I have an issue with is people seemingly thinking the problem is any 3rd party program is an issue by making stupid comparisons to discord or excel. That is not the issue. The issue is that the data being generated is automatically gathered through the use of automation via a screen reader tied to an external program that pings information to collies at large. There is no human input involved with that which is clearly against the terms of service now. Using excel isn't an issue because all of the data is manually being input by a player. Also, excel absolutely can be used as a database although it's obviously not recommended.


eTheBlack

Wanna see something funny? [https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/qekg31/please\_add\_some\_way\_to\_export\_stockpile/](https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/qekg31/please_add_some_way_to_export_stockpile/) And then -> https://github.com/Tkaixiang/Storeman-Bot


slapthebasegod

I don't really mind that too much. It's against tos as far as I'm concerned but it isn't info about wardens so largely harmless. Now. It potentially could be used against wardens with alts to let collies know of bases low on supply automatically and that would be a major issue.


eTheBlack

[https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/vp7k5q/comment/iel18r2/](https://www.reddit.com/r/foxholegame/comments/vp7k5q/comment/iel18r2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) you really need to make your mind up


slapthebasegod

There is quite literally no difference in my opinion. I don't mind the use of excel as long as the data isn't automatically being input for example with a screen reader. At the end of the day it isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things compared to Skynet so if that ends up staying then it's whatever.


Irenia3820

Nope.


wojtekpolska

if you are unable to generate new data with excel, then you lack the basic knowledge of using it (which to be fair is fairly common, a lot of ppl claim to know how to use excel, but when they actually have to use it, they dont know shit)


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Irenia3820

Yes you are doing it so you not automated it stop being silly.


AlexJFox

What data does Skynet generate that doesn't already exist?


Accomplished_Newt517

I feel guilty for living rent free with this much empty space in your head. Please accept my rent payment, I feel bad not paying for it. - SIGIL


Aristant_

Because you need an exel document to keep track of your regiment's stocks? I understand why you need a bot that pats you on the back of the head when a blue dot appears on the map because you are not able to do that and QRF on demand from your chat. I'm a bit saddened that your level is so low. Press a key to see the map....


xXFirebladeXx321

Didn't wardens have their own version or something? Pretty sure I heard some KGG people bragging about some sort of similar thing couple wars back. That just brings you down to the same level that you just mentioned.


Irenia3820

There is no such thing on Warden side. Third party tools that extract anything from the game should be banned.


xXFirebladeXx321

Yes, there might be a tool, but a warden clan might be hoarding it and not allowing it be used by the entire faction. Or it might not be as good as skynet.


IChooseFeed

Setting aside the part where this is satire, I would very much like to build a spreadsheet to manage regiment stocks and just about anything that I can make a spreadsheet out of.


MissionDifficulty306

hot take: skynet is not the problem since it is fairly new and needs tweaking. However the gateway it opens can seriously damage the game.


Forreskinman69

I think r/foxhole needs to be banned for violating foxhole tos. Clearly gives players an unfair advantage


Cloud_Drifter

I need context on this salt cause I'm just returning to foxhole, what is skynet and is this related to it?


shmoopel

Colonials have a bot (called skynet) that scans afk player maps and detects blue dots. It then pings a notification of these blue dots. It is a partisan detector of sorts and wardens are calling it cheating.


Cloud_Drifter

Lol so I guess autoclickers and logi spreadsheets are cheating too?


shmoopel

Yeah it's pretty absurd. There's probably a misinformation problem creating an idea that skynet makes partisaning impossible, when in reality pressing m is far more efficient.