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speediestweasel

Don't make it a habit, but they'll be fine.


barton39

Yea I try not to do that usually


DEXTER_3333

100% agree


NupidN

They just degrade faster. Not ideal, but the world won't end. Like remember when you first got your phone? How long the battery lasted when it was new? Because of the charging cycles and degredation, the battery doesn't perform the same as day one. Same with LiPos. Every charging cycle reduces the reactivity of the chemicals inside the battery bit by bit. LiPos are just more sensitive to that and have less cycles overall, but can deliver more power at once.


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sircrashalotfpv

I will guess that no mainstream phone uses lipo. Too unstable.


101_stupid_questions

Except the Samsung Galaxy Note 7. Those things were fire bombs. (Yes I know they didn't actually use LiPos)


Wishihadagirl

Li ions are just as flammable in my experience. Maybe not quite as explosive, but they will burn a house down no problem


sircrashalotfpv

I used to travel a bit when they were introduced. Lots of fun on airports, posters, announcements, compartments during flight etc. They had liion batteries it seems accompanied by bad name :)


Dogs_Drones_And_SRT4

r/confidentlyincorrect


HumperoLT

You sure it is Lithium Polimer (LiPo) in cellphones and not Lithium Ion (Li-Ion)? I think you should double check that.


Rhaski

Nah they typically use Li-NMC due to the higher energy density and cycle life. Similar mechanisn of degradation though. Being at full charge all the time does neither any good, but the effect is more noticeable in LiPos because we rely on their internal resistance being extremely low to get the performance we're after. This is less important for phones so the degradation only becomes noticeable when the storage capacity starts to drop significantly. In RC, we would probably not be using a LiPo anymore at this point because it would perform like arse


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More like 1% lol


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shaneknu

Leave them at storage charge, roughly 3.8V per cell. Most chargers have a storage mode that does just that.


rootCowHD

Best practice would be to storage charge them, fully charge them when you want to fly, don't fly them under 20% (roughly 3.5 volt) and immediately storage charge them again (or recharge if you plan to fly on the next day. Does it work? My new batteries get me 6-7 minutes slow cruising time. Some batteries from 2018, average use 2 flights per week, still get me 3-5 minutes by this practice (The voltage sag is much stronger than in the new ones). In theory, this batteries are "identical", at least spec wise and are from the same producer (tattu). But not all batteries degenerate at the same speed. From my 16 batteries of 2018 I lost 2 to crashes and 4 by degeneration (they couldn't hold charge / instant sag / max flight time under 45 seconds) Replaced them with 10 newer batteries, all tattu r line 3 gen. All failed within 1.5 years. Replaced this with 2 new normal tatuu batteries and 6 from tbs in 2021. There is no remarkable difference between the 2 year old and 5 year old batteries.


Unairworthy

Get discharge dongles that take your battery down to a storage level. Then if you can't storage charge due to rain or something you just put the discharge dongle on and forget about it. Treat these with care because they do bring + near - on a little circuit board and if you bang it around and damage it that's a fire. Always store lipos in metal anyway.


ledeng55219

Yeah, as long as you store them properly inaide a safety bag


barton39

I do


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if I remember correctly the battery gets degraded to the point where it loses 5% of its charging capacity after 30 days of being fully charged so... will they get damaged? yes, but how much? marginally, you probably won't notice it


Rhaski

Kind of comes down to application. If your build and flying style is balls to the wall big motors, high kv, aggressive props demanding every bit of current that battery can produce, the change in internal resistance will become noticeable fairly quickly. For more efficient builds/flying styles, you probably won't notice for some time.


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thank you for the clarification!


AlarmingImplement313

If you do balls to the wall, it will die before you notice anything haha(crashing is worst than leaving charged a few days) , but mostly “racers” could tell , as you’ll losing consistency


Rhaski

My experience has been exactly thus. Being strapped to my quad is a death sentence for batteries


BL1NKY3396

Same!!🤣🤣


PragmaticBoredom

Yeah but when I fly like that my batteries are doomed to die by blunt force trauma long before their performance degrades.


Rhaski

A warriors death, no less


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4days? Nah but storing your batteries at 3.7v will save you lots of new batteries in the long run. I didnt take care of my first couple lipos. The diffrence is massive


NDHcinema

Bardwell did an entire video testing the resistance of batteries that were left fully charged vs kept at storage capacity. Conclusion was yes it affects the batteries in the short term; a day or 3 fully charged is fine, after that we start to see resistance begin to rise and degrade the batteries quickly. In my personal experience, repeatedly leaving batteries fully charged does result in noticeable performance drop. They sag faster and just don't have the punch or distance that they started with. My advice is take care of them from the start and they'll last you wayyyy longer. Don't be lazy if that's the issue, just get into the habit of discharging to storage voltage as soon as you get home from a session.


BadLuckFPV

Biggest hazard here is that fully charged batteries are much more violent than storage charged batteries when they fail. They are also much more likely to spontaneously fail when full. Otherwise, from what I notice, batteries that have been sitting for more than a day or two will deplete significantly faster when you go to fly them. If I've been letting my batteries sit for a while I'll usually put them back on the charger for a top up before I go out. And it only takes a second.


Alex13445678

Yea


OkBug7652

You see for me, batteries don’t last long enough for it to matter. Death by crash will be their fate!!!!


CC0454

It’ll be fine