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It's absoloutly brilliant marketing, although I have a feeling that it may well backfire and attract more people. I can also see the landlord looking closely at their contract with the advertising company to see if they can remove the boarding.
Given there's probably a sizable carnivore/oppositional overlap, it likely helps the restaurant because the prompt encourages a "screw you, I'm eating that bird" response.
My position is that if the roles were reversed, the chicken would be eating me. So all's fair.
I have pet chickens. They try to eat me fairly often. A finger, a toe, my calves…then they realize they can’t. Then they forget and try again to eat me.
In fairness, most dinosaurs were small. The T-Rex and Brontosaurus are what scientists call charismatic animals. They're interesting and fun. But the main dinosaur-bird differentiation is feathers.
Some dinosaurs had feathers, but they weren't likely as robust as what you see on today's birds. Also, the current theory is that only a certain branch was feathered at all.
the only reason we exist is that the dinosaurs with size got nuclear-wintered by an asteroid. maybe if we nuclear-winter ourselves birds will get bigger again.
Chicken are friggin ruthless. One of my chickens just randomly died a while ago and the others started eating it's eyes.
They also catch mice or steal them from local cats if those happen to come across my yard with a mouse.
My mom had chickens for years and I saw them literally tear finches etc that landed in their cage to shreds. While they were still alive. You could really see the relation to (non-avian for the pedants) dinosaurs when they were running around and had their faces covered in blood etc.
A mouse got stuck in the hardware cloth on my coop with its butt facing the chickens. I found the front half dangling there the next morning. It was like a miniature scene from Jurassic park.
One time when it happened at my mom's there were some jehovah's witnesses there and they were freaking out and talking about how vicious our chickens were like it was our fault that we didn't train them well enough or something. It was a very bizarre experience
Years ago, my family had a couple goats that would frequently break out of their pen.The day the Jehovah's came knocking, the goats charged over to greet them, sending them running in absolute terror back to their car. We laughed so hard it hurt as they fled (with goats in pursuit) down our 150' driveway. The Jehovah's Witnesses never visited our home again.
They do tho. While yes they might not eat something too huge but they would if they can peck pieces out of it. From styrophome to crap to other chickens
Not only that but chickens are cannibals. If one gets injured and they see blood they will go crazy and eat the injured chicken. If you are butchering one they will jump up to steal pieces and love to eat all the leftovers. I love my chickens but they are savages and using them to promote going Vegan is pretty damn funny.
This is exactly it. I eat meat, but don't have anything against vegans. But I know SO many people who just eat meat even more ravenously when vegans try to convince them otherwise.
As a vegetarian I'm not necessarily against eating each other, animals get hungry, eat another animals, whatever. My problem, and I know a lot of people feel the same, is that people in the west eat meat every day, which is crazy from a historical point of view, meanwhile most would cry their eyes out if they were forced to actually butcher an animal. I don't think you deserve to eat meat if you can't even kill a cow thats already prepared to be butchered. I'll not even talk about the fact, that animals actually HUNT their prey. Let me see how you catch that chicken and snap its neck with your bare hands, then I'll prepare it for you myself.
And there are farms, and then there are mega factories with animals who haven't seen the sun their entire life.
Animals eat each other all the time. That's how nature works.
Ad sapient beings, we can choose to rise above our base natures, unlike, say, cheetahs. That doesn't make us wrong for choosing to continue to eat meat, however.
And yes, time and again, animals have been proven to eat humans if hungry enough. So fair's fair.
That reasoning is valid. I just don't think it applies to the way humans currently mass produce a big part of their total meat production. Billions of chickens who barely see the sun and get chopped before they're 3 months old, while they could go for 6 years. That's not how nature works, people made that. The conversation shouldn't be as unnuanced as 'eating meat vs. not eating meat'.
Yeah, that's why I try to buy farm-raised chicken whenever possible. The quality is also a whole lot better lmfao, there's a semi local farm here that has the best damn chicken thighs I've seen. Making curry with it is a pleasure. That said I'm in an extremely privileged position to be able to pay outa my arse for farm-raised chicken, so I'm not going to judge someone for buying mass produced chicken if they so choose to. I can try to educate them on why farm-raised is worth the extra, but it's their choice at the end of the day. Not everyone has the privilege to pay for farm-raised meats and while that sucks it's just the world we live in.
Just as an add on the breed we use for meat will die of organ failure long before the 6 years if not butchered. I forget exactly, but it's less than a year and they can't breed on their own. I do pretty good on acquiring non industrial meat and veggies, but chicken is much more expensive, so have just about cut it out entirely.
I love birds but let me tell you, if birds could farm humans then there's no doubt in my mind that their standard for what counts as cruelty would make our standards seem benevolent and merciful.
I would rent out a spot like that for something obnoxious like a few thousand a month.
Get paid from the restaurant AND get paid by the people that were never coming to your restaurant anyways.
I really doubt that it ever backfires.
I don’t think there’s a guy who thinks „well, I wasn’t gonna eat meat but now these damn vegans annoyed me, so I’m gonna do it”
They've been doing it for years and had a battle with Jimmy's Famous Seafood in Baltimore years ago. Jimmy's definitely outdid them in that battle.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/olqx55/peta\_is\_pretty\_crabby/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/olqx55/peta_is_pretty_crabby/)
Ya I figured the only reason why this post has so many upvotes is because people think it's some kind of silly coincidence 🤦🏻♂️
Much more likely a 'sting' by some animal rights group to hurt this restaurants business
Or maybe people are not as dumb as you think and upcote because it's genius marketing. For a relatively small fee they've got a message that is being spread to tens of thousands on social media
Definitely not an accident, but said ad has about the same chance of converting someone to veganism as a Christian has of converting an atheist, but with twice the pretentiousness.
Except, you don't have to be a believer in something we have no evidence of to understand that the treatment of animals for human consumption is wildly unethical and cruel.
Much bigger leap of faith to believe in God and yet billions do. 🤷🏻♂️
You’re downvoted but you’re correct. There is zero evidence of any god or deity, but overwhelming evidence that the meat industry is abhorrently inhumane.
It also says tooting in a sign in the shop. Is this actually a place? Lol
Edit: actually place in South London. England really has peak naming of streets and places.
I don't think this is ironic at all. It takes a lot longer to build a restaurant than to put up a sign, so the restaurant was likely there first. And if you're a vegan organization trying to raise awareness, hanging a banner over a business that engages in the practices to which you object is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
PETA has gotten more animal welfare laws passed around the globe than any other organization. PETA produced many of the first ever undercover exposés of slaughter and farming practices that have turned countless people off of using animals as property. PETA was instrumental in de-popularizing the use of fur in high fashion.
The may not be well liked, but there is no question that they have done a ton of good toward reducing animal suffering.
The smear campaign against peta is literally created by the meat industry and people are happy to lap it up because they don't want the people that point out the thing that makes them feel bad to be right.
For all you lurkers:
If you think its wrong to harm animals when you don't need to. And you don't need to eat meat. Then its wrong to eat meat outside of a survival situation. This is just the intractable bitter pill to swallow.
This is how 90% of pigs are killed https://youtu.be/-7hAELEBjX4?si=Fyef27R59XSeWC4T
Most don't care either way, and you are trying to change that. I'd suggest most don't have the spare mental capacity to take on another cause. So I don't believe there is a way to convince someone in a cold conversation without being disliked. Consider your position; Without humans animals would have no "rights" at all. Just like nature intended. Survival of the fittest. Have you ever been to a homestead chicken farm? They're little fucking dinosaurs. Sure they'll snuggle up in your arms and go to sleep. They'll also gang up and attack a hen for fun. They'll draw blood easily. They'll kill each other if you're not there to separate them. Any number of predators will kill them for fun too. Weasel got into the neighbors coop and killed 8 chickens plus the young rooster. A few hens survived the night.
You'll have a good argument with some farms. I'm sure of that. And I'd support your effort in making commercial chicken farms more friendly. I personally buy my eggs from individuals who free range their chickens - a perk of living rural. I also support my local farms and the butchers. Those cows, pigs and chickens live a good life and then it's over.
>You'll have a good argument with some farms. I'm sure of that. And I'd support your effort in making commercial chicken farms more friendly. I personally buy my eggs from individuals who free range their chickens - a perk of living rural. I also support my local farms and the butchers. Those cows, pigs and chickens live a good life and then it's over.
Yeah, this is kind of where I've landed on the issue. Ideally, I could just eat cultured meat exclusively and nothing would have to die for me to enjoy meat, but until that becomes mainstream, I'm just going to try and eat meat from the most ethically raised animals that I can.
Vegans, if you're in it for animal welfare reasons, that's what you should be pushing for. You're not going to get a ton of people to give up meat entirely. Damn near every animal on the planet will eat another animal given the opportunity - it's not immoral, it's how life has worked on this planet since the first time a big cell consumed a slightly smaller cell.
But if you tell me that most of my meat comes from greedy corporations that essentially torture their livestock to make the biggest profit they can - that I'm going to listen to. Tell me about more ethical alternatives to factory farmed. For God's sake, *advocate for lab cultured meat.* You have a better chance of getting people to eat *less* meat or *better* meat than you do of getting people to stop eating meat entirely, but that's still a win in you're interested in livestock welfare. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Interesting. I find it pretty tame and reasonable most of the time.
As the biggest vegan sub, of course you will have a few more radicals there, but there have been polls and other insights showing that vegans are actually a minority on that sub. They are quite vocal about sticking to the definition of veganism, which I think should be expected.
But I can see how it can be different from the perspective of the average person, because veganism is just vastly different to the average person's lifestyle.
r/veganuk is pretty tame compared to r/vegan, its more for people asking for/sharing advice rather than people talking about their identity and shaming other people (though in good British spirit they're good at shaming corporations)
I’m curious how many of you have killed and prepared their own meat? I grew up on a small farm and also hunted and fished. I’ve been shoulder deep in the chest cavity of a warm deer, pulling the heart and lungs out. I’ve pulled feathers off a chicken. None of it was fun, and to me, none of it was worth eating meat. I no longer eat meat because I don’t people to have to do those things, unless they chose to. But I at least aren’t contributing to the need for meat. To each their own really.
Respect... If you told me "you can eat meat but have to kill and gut each animal you eat" I'd probably go back to pescatarianism real fast. I could barely tolerate the sight/smell of husbandry and slaughter the times I've been on family members' farms; I couldn't imagine doing it myself unless it was literally a survival situation. Perhaps that's reason enough to reevaluate.
Glad to hear stories like yours. So often people claim that those that abstain from animal products are just detached from nature or how it should be when in reality there are plenty who are very well acquainted with nature or animal husbandry who still jump ship.
My sister is a vegan veterinarian. She thinks the meat industry can be improved upon, but meat is part of the human diet. She says animals like dogs and cats need meat in their diet. She doesn’t shun anyone for eating meat, but merely chooses not to do so herself because she thinks it’s gross. Be more like my sister.
Even cats, the phrase "obligate carnivore" is misunderstood. Physiologically, cats need nutrients such as retinol, arginine, taurine, and arachidonic acid, and struggle to digest many substances in plants. So long as these nutrient requirements are met and are otherwise high quality, their digestive system doesn't actually care whether they came from meat or highly refined plants, all else equal. "Obligate carnivore" refers to their natural behavior.
Reminds me of when people say we need meat to get certain vitamins like B-12, whereas cows themselves are given supplements, we can just cut out the middleman.
as someone studying human medicine, parts of which we studied human physiology and physiology of nutrition, meat is not necessary for a human anymore. High, good quality protein alternatives exist. There isn’t a single molecule that we obtain from eating animals, which we cannot either a. synthesise ourself or b. obtain from plants or plant derived supplements.
Something I’ve learned in biology in the late 90s was that there were some very important amino acids for humans that could only be obtained through animal products (not just meats, but dairy, eggs etc.). Was the information I got correct for the time? Was that what the scientific community believed back then? If so, was that information since been revised? Meaning, scientific community thought to be true at the time, but found it to be false or found alternatives? In case it’s not clear from my tone of questions, I’m genially curious and would like clarification from someone who obviously has more knowledge on the subject than myself.
Amino acid profiles in most protein based plant foods aren’t always the best. So you’d be deficient in some amino acids if you stuck to only one source of plant protein. But they make protein blends (a mix of rice, pea and other proteins) to make sure the amino acid profile is balanced. I had an older physiology lecturer tell us that the body can’t synthesise cholesterol, that it can only be sourced from animals, just for me later that evening to find in the newest edition of my Biochemistry book, that the body indeed can synthesise cholesterol. So I do think as time passes, information changes/alters. Which is to be expected. Quinoa is an example by the way, of a ‘whole’ protein, i.e. a source of protein that provides us with all essential amino acids. There is another factor, bioavailability, which I honestly haven’t done much research on. Something that gets thrown around a lot,
that animal proteins are more bioavailable, but I honestly don’t know enough about it yet to form an opinion.
It is also OK to have a BIG problem with the industrialized death of the modern meat industry. You don't need to be a "pick me" vegan and make excuses for others who eat meat. You just need to _not be a dick about it_, because _we all have our own flaws_. I wasn't vegan my whole life, and I wasn't somehow a worse person back when I ate animal products than I am now. I was flawed then and I still am.
I will tell people respectfully that smoking is bad for them, if the time is right, and I will tell them respectfully that they should go vegan on occasion too, because we have no need for animal products in our modern society. And dogs too. Dogs can live perfectly happy lives on a vegetarian diet, and are in fact frequently prescribed such a diet by vets. If you truly love animals, such as dogs, the best thing you can do is to go vegan.
I don't strive to be more like your sister, I just strive to be respectful and accepting while adhering to my own morals.
I always say, “Plant based” instead of “Vegan”.
“Is this food *vegan*?!”
“I have no idea, but to the best of my knowledge there are no animal prod…”
“BUT WHAT ABOUT (new vegan goalpost)?!”
“If you’re worried about that, you better skip it.”
I did this at a party one time. Brought two vegetarian dishes. Very aggressively labeled them as vegetarian, and made a point that I had prepared them in an environment that wasn’t meatless, so while they had no animal products, I couldn’t certify them as vegan yadda yadda.
So the guy who was running the party was grilling, and he threw some vegan burgers on his grill. Grill hasn’t been cleaned in the entire time I’ve known this guy. Crack the lid on this thing and the souls of ten thousand dead animals cry for vengeance.
And the people who predictably snub everything that isn’t from some vegan company snubbed my all vegetable food, and went to town on fries and “vegan” burgers from the death grill.
I like plant-based food, but vegan smugness drives me round the twist.
vegan is important to emphasise the minimisation of \[animal\] abuse. For example, the ideal lab meat would be vegan, but possibly not plant-based (hm I think even mushrooms and stuff count as plant-based).
I think you can understand that people are also averse in a disgust or relational sort of way to things that they think are bad. Also vegetarianism allows for a lot of non-vegan stuff so if you weren't explicit it's understandable why they didn't just take it. Veganism is less arbitrary than vegetarianism, as I say in the first paragraph. Them not knowing doesn't mean anything tbh, and traces of the sort do not seem to contribute negatively by supply and demand or the movement, also that is English. Are you referring to PBC?
I found a chicken once. I kept it for a few days. It was really dumb and my dog hated it
I put Found Chicken signs up in my neighborhood. An elderly Cambodian man answered but didn't speak enough English to understand my address. I got his address though.
He grabbed the chicken by the head when I gave it to him. I'm pretty sure that chicken got eaten and I'm pretty sure it wasn't his chicken
I saw a youtube ad the other day, it started in about suffering in Ukraine, before it even got 2 seconds in it had already succeeded and reminded me its been too long since I'd done anything to help, so I had decided that unless they were completely silly, I'd donate to this NGO advertising to me, whatever it is.
It turned out to be a PETA ad talking about the animals suffering in Ukraine. Fuck did I laugh thinking about how silly it would be to donate money to PETA instead of an organization helping people who are suffering on that scale.
You realize they're not asking people to help animals instead of people, right? Most people who would donate to save lost pets etc. are probably the same ones who've already donated for the people themselves.
I mean, I think of the animals I grew up with who were like siblings to me, and if my family had gotten caught in a warzone, I wouldn't have been able to eat or sleep thinking of my best friends out there lost, scared and starving. I think a lot of Ukrainians would be grateful knowing someone's trying to help the beloved pets they were forced to leave behind, don't you?
Regardless of how many foreigners sit on their couch and laugh and sneer at a charity "wasting" money this way.
I hope you Brits know not to eat the talking chicken, right? There's a billion stupid chickens out there who don't earn a pay check and taste the same.
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The point of the sign is to be above a chicken restaurant. Do people think it was an accident?
It's absoloutly brilliant marketing, although I have a feeling that it may well backfire and attract more people. I can also see the landlord looking closely at their contract with the advertising company to see if they can remove the boarding.
Given there's probably a sizable carnivore/oppositional overlap, it likely helps the restaurant because the prompt encourages a "screw you, I'm eating that bird" response. My position is that if the roles were reversed, the chicken would be eating me. So all's fair.
I have pet chickens. They try to eat me fairly often. A finger, a toe, my calves…then they realize they can’t. Then they forget and try again to eat me.
Proof that if a chicken could, they would eat us
I mean, they're dinosaurs without the size
In fairness, most dinosaurs were small. The T-Rex and Brontosaurus are what scientists call charismatic animals. They're interesting and fun. But the main dinosaur-bird differentiation is feathers.
I thought they were changing their mind about the feathers? As in many Dino's did actually have them?
Some dinosaurs had feathers, but they weren't likely as robust as what you see on today's birds. Also, the current theory is that only a certain branch was feathered at all.
the only reason we exist is that the dinosaurs with size got nuclear-wintered by an asteroid. maybe if we nuclear-winter ourselves birds will get bigger again.
Life, uh… finds a way
Most of nature would eat you if possible it's only fair we do the same.
Wasn't the tyrannosaurus just a really big chicken?
Pretty much. Smaller theropods (AKA bipedal dinosaurs) like the velociraptor and coelurosaurs became modern birds.
Well, birds already appeared before velociraptor, but it is from the same branch of the family.
T-Rex wings are the best with mango habañero
Chicken are friggin ruthless. One of my chickens just randomly died a while ago and the others started eating it's eyes. They also catch mice or steal them from local cats if those happen to come across my yard with a mouse.
Chickens are dinosaurs playing on Nightmare difficulty.
[Can confirm.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwy4X4F3mB4) **<-- WARNING: CHICKEN KILLING/EATING MOUSE**
At least it didn't eat the cat.
Chickens have never forgotten that they were dinosaurs. They would have eaten that cat if it would have fit in their mouths.
Of all the animals I have I’m concerned about fainting around my chickens cause I will be eating immediately.
Yeah, lots of people eat in their sleep. It honestly is a problem for them.
And if I passed out around my chickens the food would be right there
Exactly.
My mom had chickens for years and I saw them literally tear finches etc that landed in their cage to shreds. While they were still alive. You could really see the relation to (non-avian for the pedants) dinosaurs when they were running around and had their faces covered in blood etc.
A mouse got stuck in the hardware cloth on my coop with its butt facing the chickens. I found the front half dangling there the next morning. It was like a miniature scene from Jurassic park.
One time when it happened at my mom's there were some jehovah's witnesses there and they were freaking out and talking about how vicious our chickens were like it was our fault that we didn't train them well enough or something. It was a very bizarre experience
I guess they weren't ready to witness *that*
I guess god made them that way.
Years ago, my family had a couple goats that would frequently break out of their pen.The day the Jehovah's came knocking, the goats charged over to greet them, sending them running in absolute terror back to their car. We laughed so hard it hurt as they fled (with goats in pursuit) down our 150' driveway. The Jehovah's Witnesses never visited our home again.
Chickens and pigs literally eat anything. Even their own children, if they feel like it
While that's true for pigs, chickens don't just eat anything. Not because they won't, but because they just can't get it in their mouths.
They do tho. While yes they might not eat something too huge but they would if they can peck pieces out of it. From styrophome to crap to other chickens
That's what I was gonna say... If you were chicken size and your chicken was human size it wouldn't hesitate for a second to eat you!
Reminds me of my cats and rabbits
Not only that but chickens are cannibals. If one gets injured and they see blood they will go crazy and eat the injured chicken. If you are butchering one they will jump up to steal pieces and love to eat all the leftovers. I love my chickens but they are savages and using them to promote going Vegan is pretty damn funny.
Sometimes a flock of chickens will just decide it is time for one to die. They will all gang up and murder the sacrifice.
This is exactly it. I eat meat, but don't have anything against vegans. But I know SO many people who just eat meat even more ravenously when vegans try to convince them otherwise.
What a mature response. Not at all childish. What jerks. Caring about animals being abused.
A chicken would eat itself if it could.
As a vegetarian I'm not necessarily against eating each other, animals get hungry, eat another animals, whatever. My problem, and I know a lot of people feel the same, is that people in the west eat meat every day, which is crazy from a historical point of view, meanwhile most would cry their eyes out if they were forced to actually butcher an animal. I don't think you deserve to eat meat if you can't even kill a cow thats already prepared to be butchered. I'll not even talk about the fact, that animals actually HUNT their prey. Let me see how you catch that chicken and snap its neck with your bare hands, then I'll prepare it for you myself. And there are farms, and then there are mega factories with animals who haven't seen the sun their entire life.
Animals eat each other all the time. That's how nature works. Ad sapient beings, we can choose to rise above our base natures, unlike, say, cheetahs. That doesn't make us wrong for choosing to continue to eat meat, however. And yes, time and again, animals have been proven to eat humans if hungry enough. So fair's fair.
That reasoning is valid. I just don't think it applies to the way humans currently mass produce a big part of their total meat production. Billions of chickens who barely see the sun and get chopped before they're 3 months old, while they could go for 6 years. That's not how nature works, people made that. The conversation shouldn't be as unnuanced as 'eating meat vs. not eating meat'.
Yeah, that's why I try to buy farm-raised chicken whenever possible. The quality is also a whole lot better lmfao, there's a semi local farm here that has the best damn chicken thighs I've seen. Making curry with it is a pleasure. That said I'm in an extremely privileged position to be able to pay outa my arse for farm-raised chicken, so I'm not going to judge someone for buying mass produced chicken if they so choose to. I can try to educate them on why farm-raised is worth the extra, but it's their choice at the end of the day. Not everyone has the privilege to pay for farm-raised meats and while that sucks it's just the world we live in.
Just as an add on the breed we use for meat will die of organ failure long before the 6 years if not butchered. I forget exactly, but it's less than a year and they can't breed on their own. I do pretty good on acquiring non industrial meat and veggies, but chicken is much more expensive, so have just about cut it out entirely.
I love birds but let me tell you, if birds could farm humans then there's no doubt in my mind that their standard for what counts as cruelty would make our standards seem benevolent and merciful.
They would eat you, but would they factory farm you?
If I owned that chick restaurant I think I’d print out little chicken cards with names on it. “Made with love from Roger”
You're assuming the billboard was not put up by the restaurant
Or they're reading the PETA logo directly on the sign that the restaurant would have no legal right to use.
I would rent out a spot like that for something obnoxious like a few thousand a month. Get paid from the restaurant AND get paid by the people that were never coming to your restaurant anyways.
You nailed it.
Mmm, probably masonry anchors.
"Now see the individual on a pizza."
I really doubt that it ever backfires. I don’t think there’s a guy who thinks „well, I wasn’t gonna eat meat but now these damn vegans annoyed me, so I’m gonna do it”
They've been doing it for years and had a battle with Jimmy's Famous Seafood in Baltimore years ago. Jimmy's definitely outdid them in that battle. [https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/olqx55/peta\_is\_pretty\_crabby/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/olqx55/peta_is_pretty_crabby/)
Nobody ever became a vegetarian because of a billboard.
It's not supposed to make you a vegetarian, it's supposed to make you angry.
I guess it is kind of annoying.
It's not a great plan, but that's what it's for.
Sorry Mr Chicken, but being stupid and delicious isn’t a good combination, look what it’s done for a pig.
Pigs are smarter than dogs tho.
Ya I figured the only reason why this post has so many upvotes is because people think it's some kind of silly coincidence 🤦🏻♂️ Much more likely a 'sting' by some animal rights group to hurt this restaurants business
Or maybe people are not as dumb as you think and upcote because it's genius marketing. For a relatively small fee they've got a message that is being spread to tens of thousands on social media
*And* they're paying a chicken company to advertise on their building.
They're not paying the restaurant... They're paying either the landlord or marketing company
Definitely not an accident, but said ad has about the same chance of converting someone to veganism as a Christian has of converting an atheist, but with twice the pretentiousness.
Except, you don't have to be a believer in something we have no evidence of to understand that the treatment of animals for human consumption is wildly unethical and cruel. Much bigger leap of faith to believe in God and yet billions do. 🤷🏻♂️
You’re downvoted but you’re correct. There is zero evidence of any god or deity, but overwhelming evidence that the meat industry is abhorrently inhumane.
Well, said
Pera is about upsetting people and generating donations, not creating vegans or improving animal welfare. It's always been about the money
This sub is just Facebook uncle posts
First time?
Always has been.
Think about if your uncle came to Reddit and his first three searches. Motorcycles, Funny, Pegging.
Aye you got that correct
As someone who has been to that chicken shop, it's chicken is a better advert for veganism than the billboard above it could ever be
Lol Rekt.
Gottem!
4 year old smooth brain me is reading the other sign that says tooting
It also says tooting in a sign in the shop. Is this actually a place? Lol Edit: actually place in South London. England really has peak naming of streets and places.
I don't think this is ironic at all. It takes a lot longer to build a restaurant than to put up a sign, so the restaurant was likely there first. And if you're a vegan organization trying to raise awareness, hanging a banner over a business that engages in the practices to which you object is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.
Seems like good advertising for the restaurant either way.
I've never eaten a vegan. Do they have a unique flavor?
They’re high quality. 100% grass fed.
Good point, they sound expensive. Best to order your Xmas vegan now before they sell out 👍
They're somewhat chewy and pretentious though
Probably sadness and dust.
lol, we could be eating vegans this hole time?
Donut eat them hole, my friend.
They did this on purpose
Jesus christ a lot of these comments are unnecessarily cruel
Happens literally every time veganism comes up on a major sub.
They need to get a sign in that window "Now serving 100% vegan chicken! Ask about our special whole individual chicken meal."
"our chickens were 100% vegan"
Free-range chickens will never be vegan, though; they'll eat *anything* they can get their beaks on.
I think PETA is more effective at making vegans and vegetarians disliked than they are at reducing animal suffering.
PETA has gotten more animal welfare laws passed around the globe than any other organization. PETA produced many of the first ever undercover exposés of slaughter and farming practices that have turned countless people off of using animals as property. PETA was instrumental in de-popularizing the use of fur in high fashion. The may not be well liked, but there is no question that they have done a ton of good toward reducing animal suffering.
The smear campaign against peta is literally created by the meat industry and people are happy to lap it up because they don't want the people that point out the thing that makes them feel bad to be right. For all you lurkers: If you think its wrong to harm animals when you don't need to. And you don't need to eat meat. Then its wrong to eat meat outside of a survival situation. This is just the intractable bitter pill to swallow. This is how 90% of pigs are killed https://youtu.be/-7hAELEBjX4?si=Fyef27R59XSeWC4T
How would you suggest vegans try to convince people of the moral rights of animals without being disliked?
Most don't care either way, and you are trying to change that. I'd suggest most don't have the spare mental capacity to take on another cause. So I don't believe there is a way to convince someone in a cold conversation without being disliked. Consider your position; Without humans animals would have no "rights" at all. Just like nature intended. Survival of the fittest. Have you ever been to a homestead chicken farm? They're little fucking dinosaurs. Sure they'll snuggle up in your arms and go to sleep. They'll also gang up and attack a hen for fun. They'll draw blood easily. They'll kill each other if you're not there to separate them. Any number of predators will kill them for fun too. Weasel got into the neighbors coop and killed 8 chickens plus the young rooster. A few hens survived the night. You'll have a good argument with some farms. I'm sure of that. And I'd support your effort in making commercial chicken farms more friendly. I personally buy my eggs from individuals who free range their chickens - a perk of living rural. I also support my local farms and the butchers. Those cows, pigs and chickens live a good life and then it's over.
>You'll have a good argument with some farms. I'm sure of that. And I'd support your effort in making commercial chicken farms more friendly. I personally buy my eggs from individuals who free range their chickens - a perk of living rural. I also support my local farms and the butchers. Those cows, pigs and chickens live a good life and then it's over. Yeah, this is kind of where I've landed on the issue. Ideally, I could just eat cultured meat exclusively and nothing would have to die for me to enjoy meat, but until that becomes mainstream, I'm just going to try and eat meat from the most ethically raised animals that I can. Vegans, if you're in it for animal welfare reasons, that's what you should be pushing for. You're not going to get a ton of people to give up meat entirely. Damn near every animal on the planet will eat another animal given the opportunity - it's not immoral, it's how life has worked on this planet since the first time a big cell consumed a slightly smaller cell. But if you tell me that most of my meat comes from greedy corporations that essentially torture their livestock to make the biggest profit they can - that I'm going to listen to. Tell me about more ethical alternatives to factory farmed. For God's sake, *advocate for lab cultured meat.* You have a better chance of getting people to eat *less* meat or *better* meat than you do of getting people to stop eating meat entirely, but that's still a win in you're interested in livestock welfare. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
[Redacted] the factory farms
That's literally what I've thought when I've stumbled into the vegan subreddit. They are working overtime to turn people away.
Interesting. I find it pretty tame and reasonable most of the time. As the biggest vegan sub, of course you will have a few more radicals there, but there have been polls and other insights showing that vegans are actually a minority on that sub. They are quite vocal about sticking to the definition of veganism, which I think should be expected. But I can see how it can be different from the perspective of the average person, because veganism is just vastly different to the average person's lifestyle.
Try r/DebateAVegan, the comments there are usually patient and in good faith.
"I know how to make people go vegan" -people who aren't vegan
“If you did this, more people would be vegan.” “Would you?” “No.”
r/veganuk is pretty tame compared to r/vegan, its more for people asking for/sharing advice rather than people talking about their identity and shaming other people (though in good British spirit they're good at shaming corporations)
Anyone who thinks r/vegan is militant or that the people are unreasonable has to be joking. r/vegancirclejerk would like a word.
if you arent meat why are you made of it?
I’m curious how many of you have killed and prepared their own meat? I grew up on a small farm and also hunted and fished. I’ve been shoulder deep in the chest cavity of a warm deer, pulling the heart and lungs out. I’ve pulled feathers off a chicken. None of it was fun, and to me, none of it was worth eating meat. I no longer eat meat because I don’t people to have to do those things, unless they chose to. But I at least aren’t contributing to the need for meat. To each their own really.
Respect... If you told me "you can eat meat but have to kill and gut each animal you eat" I'd probably go back to pescatarianism real fast. I could barely tolerate the sight/smell of husbandry and slaughter the times I've been on family members' farms; I couldn't imagine doing it myself unless it was literally a survival situation. Perhaps that's reason enough to reevaluate.
Harvesting your own fish isn't particularly pleasant either.
Glad to hear stories like yours. So often people claim that those that abstain from animal products are just detached from nature or how it should be when in reality there are plenty who are very well acquainted with nature or animal husbandry who still jump ship.
Probably the most effective placement for a vegan sign
I think this is a case of the chicken restaurant came before the egg
In an alternate universe, lions are doing the same thing but with a picture of humans instead.
I like that purple sign on the left that says "tooting"
billboard makes sense you know: [https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch](https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch)
this is deliberate, not a funny coincidence
I want fried chicken now.
fried individual\*
Surprised the store doesn't have something like "Fried, not Freed" in their window. Would be peak English humour.
Fried me
Mmm yummy individual.
LMFAO not me who's gonna be saying "fried individual" every time i have chicken now. thankyou
If you want to reach meat eaters you gotta advertise where they go.
To be fair I would never eat a chicken that talks.
Who would? You cold use it as a prop or sell it to get rich quick
Vegans would still be upset at you, so, you know, win-win…
They do talk, just not in English. Listen to the desperate screams of animals on the killing floor and tell me they don't talk
My sister is a vegan veterinarian. She thinks the meat industry can be improved upon, but meat is part of the human diet. She says animals like dogs and cats need meat in their diet. She doesn’t shun anyone for eating meat, but merely chooses not to do so herself because she thinks it’s gross. Be more like my sister.
Minor point: dogs aren’t obligate carnivores. They’re true omnivores, like humans. Cats have to have meat.
Even cats, the phrase "obligate carnivore" is misunderstood. Physiologically, cats need nutrients such as retinol, arginine, taurine, and arachidonic acid, and struggle to digest many substances in plants. So long as these nutrient requirements are met and are otherwise high quality, their digestive system doesn't actually care whether they came from meat or highly refined plants, all else equal. "Obligate carnivore" refers to their natural behavior.
Reminds me of when people say we need meat to get certain vitamins like B-12, whereas cows themselves are given supplements, we can just cut out the middleman.
as someone studying human medicine, parts of which we studied human physiology and physiology of nutrition, meat is not necessary for a human anymore. High, good quality protein alternatives exist. There isn’t a single molecule that we obtain from eating animals, which we cannot either a. synthesise ourself or b. obtain from plants or plant derived supplements.
Something I’ve learned in biology in the late 90s was that there were some very important amino acids for humans that could only be obtained through animal products (not just meats, but dairy, eggs etc.). Was the information I got correct for the time? Was that what the scientific community believed back then? If so, was that information since been revised? Meaning, scientific community thought to be true at the time, but found it to be false or found alternatives? In case it’s not clear from my tone of questions, I’m genially curious and would like clarification from someone who obviously has more knowledge on the subject than myself.
Amino acid profiles in most protein based plant foods aren’t always the best. So you’d be deficient in some amino acids if you stuck to only one source of plant protein. But they make protein blends (a mix of rice, pea and other proteins) to make sure the amino acid profile is balanced. I had an older physiology lecturer tell us that the body can’t synthesise cholesterol, that it can only be sourced from animals, just for me later that evening to find in the newest edition of my Biochemistry book, that the body indeed can synthesise cholesterol. So I do think as time passes, information changes/alters. Which is to be expected. Quinoa is an example by the way, of a ‘whole’ protein, i.e. a source of protein that provides us with all essential amino acids. There is another factor, bioavailability, which I honestly haven’t done much research on. Something that gets thrown around a lot, that animal proteins are more bioavailable, but I honestly don’t know enough about it yet to form an opinion.
Most vegans are like her. The ones that aren't get way more attention even though they're outnumbered heavily.
So, be a vegan? lol
It is also OK to have a BIG problem with the industrialized death of the modern meat industry. You don't need to be a "pick me" vegan and make excuses for others who eat meat. You just need to _not be a dick about it_, because _we all have our own flaws_. I wasn't vegan my whole life, and I wasn't somehow a worse person back when I ate animal products than I am now. I was flawed then and I still am. I will tell people respectfully that smoking is bad for them, if the time is right, and I will tell them respectfully that they should go vegan on occasion too, because we have no need for animal products in our modern society. And dogs too. Dogs can live perfectly happy lives on a vegetarian diet, and are in fact frequently prescribed such a diet by vets. If you truly love animals, such as dogs, the best thing you can do is to go vegan. I don't strive to be more like your sister, I just strive to be respectful and accepting while adhering to my own morals.
I always say, “Plant based” instead of “Vegan”. “Is this food *vegan*?!” “I have no idea, but to the best of my knowledge there are no animal prod…” “BUT WHAT ABOUT (new vegan goalpost)?!” “If you’re worried about that, you better skip it.” I did this at a party one time. Brought two vegetarian dishes. Very aggressively labeled them as vegetarian, and made a point that I had prepared them in an environment that wasn’t meatless, so while they had no animal products, I couldn’t certify them as vegan yadda yadda. So the guy who was running the party was grilling, and he threw some vegan burgers on his grill. Grill hasn’t been cleaned in the entire time I’ve known this guy. Crack the lid on this thing and the souls of ten thousand dead animals cry for vengeance. And the people who predictably snub everything that isn’t from some vegan company snubbed my all vegetable food, and went to town on fries and “vegan” burgers from the death grill. I like plant-based food, but vegan smugness drives me round the twist.
vegan is important to emphasise the minimisation of \[animal\] abuse. For example, the ideal lab meat would be vegan, but possibly not plant-based (hm I think even mushrooms and stuff count as plant-based). I think you can understand that people are also averse in a disgust or relational sort of way to things that they think are bad. Also vegetarianism allows for a lot of non-vegan stuff so if you weren't explicit it's understandable why they didn't just take it. Veganism is less arbitrary than vegetarianism, as I say in the first paragraph. Them not knowing doesn't mean anything tbh, and traces of the sort do not seem to contribute negatively by supply and demand or the movement, also that is English. Are you referring to PBC?
Each individual is delicious
You'll see a chicken say that the same day you see a head of cabbage say it.
BAD CHICKEN! MESS YOU UP! ...I think the chicken place was there first, but I don't think it will have the effect the advertisers think it would have
I have chickens. They are surprisignly awesome pets. I love them. I will 100% continue to eat chicken.
I found a chicken once. I kept it for a few days. It was really dumb and my dog hated it I put Found Chicken signs up in my neighborhood. An elderly Cambodian man answered but didn't speak enough English to understand my address. I got his address though. He grabbed the chicken by the head when I gave it to him. I'm pretty sure that chicken got eaten and I'm pretty sure it wasn't his chicken
I have dogs. They are unsurprisingly awesome pets. I love them. I will 100% continue to abuse and eat dogs though, lul sorry!
Actually kind of effective.
At making me crave some Popeye's.
I'm pretty sure this was intentional. Anyway stop speciesm go vegan 💚🌱
Whatever you do...don't look down
PETA is the most entertaining group of delusional wackjobs around
I saw a youtube ad the other day, it started in about suffering in Ukraine, before it even got 2 seconds in it had already succeeded and reminded me its been too long since I'd done anything to help, so I had decided that unless they were completely silly, I'd donate to this NGO advertising to me, whatever it is. It turned out to be a PETA ad talking about the animals suffering in Ukraine. Fuck did I laugh thinking about how silly it would be to donate money to PETA instead of an organization helping people who are suffering on that scale.
You realize they're not asking people to help animals instead of people, right? Most people who would donate to save lost pets etc. are probably the same ones who've already donated for the people themselves. I mean, I think of the animals I grew up with who were like siblings to me, and if my family had gotten caught in a warzone, I wouldn't have been able to eat or sleep thinking of my best friends out there lost, scared and starving. I think a lot of Ukrainians would be grateful knowing someone's trying to help the beloved pets they were forced to leave behind, don't you? Regardless of how many foreigners sit on their couch and laugh and sneer at a charity "wasting" money this way.
r/sbeve
Some people think that chicken is not meat. "If it is not BEEF, it is something else." Mostly ranchers.
I mean, she's probably chillin in a nice loft up there. Can't be too bad
I hope you Brits know not to eat the talking chicken, right? There's a billion stupid chickens out there who don't earn a pay check and taste the same.
I'm just wondering how long it took them to get that chicken to pose
Strategic
I think it would have been better if they're were like "My name is Jimbo, not meat"