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My calico cat Athena does the same thing when my father comes by to visit. She'll do her "Helllooo" because she knows my father will talk back to her. He says he isn't a cat person but if he sees either Athena or Ashoka he becomes a mush.
I specifically bought a roll of this packing paper just so I could roll out some fresh paper from time to time for my kitties. They love attacking it, playing on it but mostly they just like to loaf on it.
Also, big box is always a plus but my cat has too many as it is and, ah heck, maybe another wouldn't hurt.
My kitty has two big boxes with paper in it. I just added new on Friday and she's spent all weekend shredding it. Makes me smile when I hear her in the box shredding like crazy. She will also sleep in the boxes from time to time. Folks probably think I'm crazy, but they have children's toys everywhere so I have kitty boxes.
>but they have children's toys everywhere so I have kitty boxes.
My toddler's toys and my cats toys appear to be interchangeable, crinkle boxes included.
Sometimes kid and cat will be in the box together just cuddling.
I used to be a packer at Amazon. The computer tells you which box to put it in, depending on the dimensions. You have about 10 different sizes at your disposal, and when trying to maintain rate (so you don't get written up), you put the item in the box it calls for, otherwise you have to change it in the computer and give a reason why and that takes time. In my opinion they didn't use enough dunnage (the packing material).
Worked in shipping and manifest in college, not at Amazon but can confirm. Computer tells you the box. Likely the fully expanded dimensions were used to choose the box size.
This is it 100%, information intake for products usually falls to some of the least experienced, lowest paid individuals. There is a big difference for product dimensions and logistical dimensions. I find even assembled furniture has a marginal hit rate due accuracy
It's entered by the vendor most likely. You can report these in the app, and it'll eventually get back to a human who will change the dimensions for shipping box selection.
I worked the seller side for a few years. That system is so frustrating and clunky. After the initial batch uploads any changes or updates were hit and miss. And those excel forms we had to batch upload with were limited.
Updating the size required reupload I whole new batch sheets for the whole product line, but often it seemed like some person at Amazon data center had to approve of it, and never did.
So many items sat with typos in descriptions, or unmerged colors and variations just because the system doesn't let you micromanage.
Worst was when Amazon gave ownership of the product to a random third party "used" seller... A product we owned the UPC for and uploaded in the first place.
I haven't done a vendor setup for Amazon in a long time. But I wouldn't immediately blame the vendor... Best Buy was the worst I can remember, several tabs of excel drivel loaded with acronyms and no glossary - add an ahole buyer with a big ego, and voila - trash in, trash out.
As a developer let me sincerely apologize. Those idiots on the sales team gave us a spreadsheet with the dimensions and none of us ever leave our computers and thus have never seen a suitcase.
I’m an Amazon seller and it’s VERY easy to make this mistake. Also possible that one was returned open and then the return went through the cubiscan. This whole mistake is super expensive for the seller.
I'd say in this case someone entered the full size of the duffle bag in the shipping dimensions field. So the computer just went with the smallest sized box that would fit those dimensions.
Our cartonisation system doesn't seem to allow for package or carton rotation.
So if it says 50 by 40 by 5 product dims
And the the boxes are say
5 by 50 by 40
Or 50 by 40 by 40
It'll dismiss that first one cause the first value doesn't 'fit'.
And shove it onto the over size box.
Stupid. But it is what it is.
And it's to much hassle for the picker to change.
> Our cartonisation system doesn't seem to allow for package or carton rotation.
That's because box fit algorithms are *very* difficult. The only way to optimize the items in a box is via brute-force, which is time consuming and cumbersome.
I wrote a box fit algorithm for someone; prior to trying to do so, I researched existing algorithms, only to discover that Yep! It really *is* that difficult of a problem.
So, I assumed everything goes in the box based on its longest dimension and then just used total volume. Otherwise, it gets very complicated very quickly.
Oh yeah I know. I'm part of the solution design team and we've been trying to improve the cartonisation as much as possible but ...yeah...complicated and largely not worth it compared to just occasionally shipping an over size box.
We have poly bags and squishy clothing. That's super fun to try and optimise!
> We have poly bags and squishy clothing. That's super fun to try and optimise!
Yeah, I had to deal with poly bags when I did it, too. There was a whole lot of "good enough". Definite diminishing returns when you try to calculate fractional inches on some of that stuff. Not to mention getting accurate dimensions into the system!
Ugh our system defaults to US measures and we're in Europe.
"Yes well the system thinks this bobble head doll is 5feet tall not 5cm. So there's your issue"
It would be really funny if these two guys were making all of that up and they have no actual clue about "cartonisation algorithms." Funnier still if cartonisation isn't actually a word.
Couldn't you solve a simple situation like rotation by sorting the 3 dimensions first, then comparing like to like?
I'm sure when you're trying to pack multiple items, it gets way more complicated, but this one seems simple.
You could, but it's more efficient to flip it once when you get the item or box into the system -- when the data is received, reorient it and store it.
That way, you're not having to test/rotate every time you use it.
Flipping doesn't seem like much, and it's not, but when you have to do things like that in *volume*, they start to have an impact.
You really over estimate the cost of planting a fast growth tree, waiting a couple years, cutting that down, grinding it up, forming it into paper, then into corrugated cardboard, then onto boxes
Compared to the cost of a just-above-minimum-wage worker spending 1 minute trying to update computer information
The first one is inconsequential cost, because it's happening to thousands of other boxes at the same time, one extra large box means nothing in that chain, it's eating one more spoonful of rice after a full meal
The worker being distracted and disrupting the work flow for even 1 minute is easily measured by middle management, so that's a grave waste which must be avoided!
Likely part of it. The 3rd party seller that sends the product to Amazon lists the shipping dimensions and if they enter it wrong, it's not like Amazon is taking the time to correct it. They'll just bill the 3rd party by the cost.
Not Amazon but UPS does have a program that fits it all in there for you and packages are in the order they need to be in to load. UPS uses a lot of supercomputer time for route calculations and packing optimizations.
Unfortunately damage occurs anyway because things like liquids are not accounted for and orientation arrows are not used by anyone at any step of the delivery process. There should be way more packaging material when transporting liquids or the containers should be better suited for transport. You have no idea how much damage stuff like detergent causes because it will leak gallons of material if that cheap plastic cap falls off damaging 50 other packages causing thousands of dollars of damage. This is a daily occurance per facility pet sort multiple times per day so the costs balloon to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Transporting liquids is the most destructive force on packages and competes for being the #1 reason packages do not get to their destination on time.
I imagine you could packing them yo pull from the top and back first, so it empties logically. Also, there are more trucks than just the final delivery vehicle. Efficiency on a semi is more important than a final delivery van.
They’re not talking about the last mile delivery truck, they’re talking about the 53’ semi trailer that gets filled up and takes packages from the fulfillment center to the delivery station. Everything gets unloaded once it gets to the destination
Think freight packing, not last mile delivery packing.
If it's not coming straight from a warehouse, it's getting out on a pallet with a bunch of other boxes, wrapped in shrink wrap and tossed onto a truck.
That's where filling in the voids is important.
Was gonna say, I receive a monthly delivery in a box that size and my cats LOVE that brown paper. They get so excited each month when the new box comes and there's fresh, uncrushed brown paper inside! :)
Circa the mid 2010s I believe the fulfillment system supported both packaged and full size dimensions but no guarantee there was data for the packaged dimensions. Any sort of malleable item (eg clothing) always screwed up the packaging recommendations since it had no idea it could be folded smaller.
I bet whoever submitted the listing to Amazon didn't know they could do that or got lazy. OP could always sent a message to customer support with the product ASIN about the problem. They have tools to fix that.
No, Amazon has very flat wide and tall boxes. Source: I've ordered a giant doormat and several collapsed playpens that came in big flat boxes this would have fit in.
It all depends on what boxes they actually have though. At my fulfillment job (not Amazon) we frequently ran out of certain sizes or never had some. Even when the manager tried to order them, we sometimes never got them.
My sister used a mattress box. Scared the bejeezus out of her husband, who nearly knocked her out by reflex.
She doesn't jump out at her husband anymore.
I got jeans with only the clear plastic around it and a label. Amazon guy just handed it to me, less then 24 hours I pressed the button. It was very strange…
A few years ago Walmart started to deliver items to you from stores nearby if it were in stock. I ordered a Spider-Man costume for my 3 year old one night, and the next morning it showed up on my porch just in a Walmart shopping bag. No name, shipping label, nothing. It was so strange. I called friends and family like “did anyone buy this for me?”
It perplexed the hell out of me until a few hours later I got an email from Walmart “your order has been delivered!”
Regardless of how delicate the item is, it's required that the items don't shift inside the box. That's why they use air pillows/dunnage to fill the empty space. It keeps the packages more stable, important when transporting a truck full of them
I also support this since package theft isn't an issue where I live. If I was in an area where it was a problem though, I'd be pissed. I had 3 new ProArt monitors delivered from Amazon recently and all of them where just the normal Asus packaging with a shipping label. Had I been living in a high-theft area, that would have been $1,500 worth of stuff sitting on my porch all day in boxes that screamed "come take me, I am valuable!".
Yeah, I had the same thing happen with some pretty high end Klipsch speakers. Label on the outside and shipped via UPS. Left on my doorstep.
The issue too isn't just that someone could take them, but now everyone knows you have some serious equipment up in your place, making you a target for a break in later.
For stuff like that, there should be a note saying that the packaging shows what it is, and a checkbox to check if you want them to put it in Amazon packaging.
this is all fine until you are receiving something valuable/collectible. Some crazy shipping nightmares on a skateboard collector site I used to frequent.
This was brought up in an art class in college of all things - not a shovel but mailing things like rocks - as long as they were labeled and postage was paid.
I ordered a used copy of Arkham Horror from a seller on boardgamegeek.com, and the seller literally just wrapped the box with packing tape, then slapped the postage on it. Completely tore up the cover art, I was furious.
Same happened to a few items I got - air compressor came in a box that was completely destroyed. Not entirely sure if the compressor has unseen damage - guess I’ll find out when it quits outside of the return window
It's called SIOC(shipped in its own container). Basically we do some drop tests on an item, if it survives with minimal damage it is classified as a SIOC item and it's shipped without being packaged. Cost savings, sustainability and all that.
Well that’s not always true, it explicitly says on a lot of items that packaging will reveal what’s inside the box. Every time it says that I just get the product box with the label slapped on, it gets delivered exactly as the app told me it would be 🤷♂️
I ordered a sewing machine for my mum's birthday from a local department store and they did this which is weird because they'd never done this before. She was home when it got delivered, kinda sucked.
I’m okay with this with something’s like a microwave or whatever, but I’d be furious if they started doing things with like game consoles or collectibles. It should be an option, maybe even an opt-out default, but not mandatory.
As someone with relevant industry experience I have an educated guess on what happened.
In the warehouse where these products are boxed and shipped, there is a software that pairs every customer order with a shipping container(s). The software tries to minimize the cost of materials and / or the shipping volume. For the software to work correctly it needs accurate dimensions for the product. In this case the dimensions for the product in the system are inaccurate - possibly the dimensions for the expanded bag were loaded instead of the dimensions for the flattened bag. So the software thought it needed a much bigger shipping container. And whatever worker was responsible for packing the product into the shipping container per the software’s instructions either wasn’t paid enough to care or was too overworked to grab a better shipping container so they just compensated with lots of packing paper.
Edit: fixed spelling & condensed latter section
As a person who used to be a packer at Amazon, it's not about caring about the box/item mismatch; you just have to do what your scanner/arm computer system tells you to do or you're going to have a manager come back to you demanding to know why you didn't put it in the box you were told to, when the folks further up the line scan it and run into a new issue where their system tells them the box you've packed it in is incorrect. You're paid to care about what the computer tells you to do, not actually about what you're packing.
I work for a shipping warehouse. There is currently a box shortage. That’s likely why it was shipped this way. This was likely the only box big enough to fit the item. We’ve had to do it on occasion.
My legs are frozen solid! You're going to have to cut them off with a saw!
- No, Patrick, I can't do that!
Why not?
- Because I already cut off my own arms!
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Getting into the box & shutting it was a perfect touch.
Solid snake type beat
❗️
Hey! What was that?!
You're that ninja
Just a box
False alarm. Thought it was snake, only cat.
Totally hear the sound in my head
When the lid closed I was expecting pitch black, and then fade in to skyrim.
Ask and receive. https://i.imgur.com/xHZe0dS.mp4
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Whole original video + full playthrough of Skyrim (including character customization of course)
And the Thomas the tank engine mod?
Ah yes, how could I forget
Someone give this man an award 🥇
"You're finally awake"
That would've been amazing.
Legit that box made OP go full cat mode. If they fits, they sits.
Tbh it was the only thing to do
This vid appears to have my cats pov
_Where food?_
Food me. Food now. Me a food needing a lot now.
Can see bottom of food bowl. Death is near. Why ignoring my swan song howls? Does not care?
Mother cares not for us.
Charlie?
Dennis bastard man.
Suddenly always sunny
always always sunny
Meow? Nonono my cat just shouts now
We have one who sounds like he's saying "helllooo", which is weird to hear randomly from the hallway at 3am
My calico cat Athena does the same thing when my father comes by to visit. She'll do her "Helllooo" because she knows my father will talk back to her. He says he isn't a cat person but if he sees either Athena or Ashoka he becomes a mush.
> Food me. Food now. Me a food needing a lot ~~now~~ MEOW. FTFY
They got chicken in Philly?
If this arrived at my house, it would be like Christmas morning for my tux kitty.
BOXBOXBOXBOXBOX
r/formula1 is leaking….
IN IN IN IN IN
STAY OUT STAY OUT STAY OUT
I specifically bought a roll of this packing paper just so I could roll out some fresh paper from time to time for my kitties. They love attacking it, playing on it but mostly they just like to loaf on it. Also, big box is always a plus but my cat has too many as it is and, ah heck, maybe another wouldn't hurt.
My kitty has two big boxes with paper in it. I just added new on Friday and she's spent all weekend shredding it. Makes me smile when I hear her in the box shredding like crazy. She will also sleep in the boxes from time to time. Folks probably think I'm crazy, but they have children's toys everywhere so I have kitty boxes.
>but they have children's toys everywhere so I have kitty boxes. My toddler's toys and my cats toys appear to be interchangeable, crinkle boxes included. Sometimes kid and cat will be in the box together just cuddling.
Same thought. Maybe the packer likes cats and thought, every cat deserves a big box.
My cat also loves the crinkly paper. She'll hide in it and if I roll a ball into it and she goes wild.
I used to be a packer at Amazon. The computer tells you which box to put it in, depending on the dimensions. You have about 10 different sizes at your disposal, and when trying to maintain rate (so you don't get written up), you put the item in the box it calls for, otherwise you have to change it in the computer and give a reason why and that takes time. In my opinion they didn't use enough dunnage (the packing material).
Worked in shipping and manifest in college, not at Amazon but can confirm. Computer tells you the box. Likely the fully expanded dimensions were used to choose the box size.
This is it 100%, information intake for products usually falls to some of the least experienced, lowest paid individuals. There is a big difference for product dimensions and logistical dimensions. I find even assembled furniture has a marginal hit rate due accuracy
It's entered by the vendor most likely. You can report these in the app, and it'll eventually get back to a human who will change the dimensions for shipping box selection.
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It doesn't. I work for UPS, and we handle so much shit from Amazon. 90% of all of them get re-taped/repackaged lmao
I put the blame on the seller as they enter multiple sizes and dimensions. Product size vs package size
I worked the seller side for a few years. That system is so frustrating and clunky. After the initial batch uploads any changes or updates were hit and miss. And those excel forms we had to batch upload with were limited. Updating the size required reupload I whole new batch sheets for the whole product line, but often it seemed like some person at Amazon data center had to approve of it, and never did. So many items sat with typos in descriptions, or unmerged colors and variations just because the system doesn't let you micromanage. Worst was when Amazon gave ownership of the product to a random third party "used" seller... A product we owned the UPC for and uploaded in the first place.
I haven't done a vendor setup for Amazon in a long time. But I wouldn't immediately blame the vendor... Best Buy was the worst I can remember, several tabs of excel drivel loaded with acronyms and no glossary - add an ahole buyer with a big ego, and voila - trash in, trash out.
As a developer let me sincerely apologize. Those idiots on the sales team gave us a spreadsheet with the dimensions and none of us ever leave our computers and thus have never seen a suitcase.
I figured it was automated based on expanded dimensions. Nice to know that my software debugging skills also apply to packaging material
I’m an Amazon seller and it’s VERY easy to make this mistake. Also possible that one was returned open and then the return went through the cubiscan. This whole mistake is super expensive for the seller.
I suspect cats programmed that system. The larger the box the more fun when package arrives!
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I'd say in this case someone entered the full size of the duffle bag in the shipping dimensions field. So the computer just went with the smallest sized box that would fit those dimensions.
Our cartonisation system doesn't seem to allow for package or carton rotation. So if it says 50 by 40 by 5 product dims And the the boxes are say 5 by 50 by 40 Or 50 by 40 by 40 It'll dismiss that first one cause the first value doesn't 'fit'. And shove it onto the over size box. Stupid. But it is what it is. And it's to much hassle for the picker to change.
> Our cartonisation system doesn't seem to allow for package or carton rotation. That's because box fit algorithms are *very* difficult. The only way to optimize the items in a box is via brute-force, which is time consuming and cumbersome. I wrote a box fit algorithm for someone; prior to trying to do so, I researched existing algorithms, only to discover that Yep! It really *is* that difficult of a problem. So, I assumed everything goes in the box based on its longest dimension and then just used total volume. Otherwise, it gets very complicated very quickly.
Oh yeah I know. I'm part of the solution design team and we've been trying to improve the cartonisation as much as possible but ...yeah...complicated and largely not worth it compared to just occasionally shipping an over size box. We have poly bags and squishy clothing. That's super fun to try and optimise!
> We have poly bags and squishy clothing. That's super fun to try and optimise! Yeah, I had to deal with poly bags when I did it, too. There was a whole lot of "good enough". Definite diminishing returns when you try to calculate fractional inches on some of that stuff. Not to mention getting accurate dimensions into the system!
Ugh our system defaults to US measures and we're in Europe. "Yes well the system thinks this bobble head doll is 5feet tall not 5cm. So there's your issue"
It would be really funny if these two guys were making all of that up and they have no actual clue about "cartonisation algorithms." Funnier still if cartonisation isn't actually a word.
Couldn't you solve a simple situation like rotation by sorting the 3 dimensions first, then comparing like to like? I'm sure when you're trying to pack multiple items, it gets way more complicated, but this one seems simple.
You could, but it's more efficient to flip it once when you get the item or box into the system -- when the data is received, reorient it and store it. That way, you're not having to test/rotate every time you use it. Flipping doesn't seem like much, and it's not, but when you have to do things like that in *volume*, they start to have an impact.
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The time to do so probably costs more than using a bigger box. Peoples' time is expensive, boxes are cheap.
You really over estimate the cost of planting a fast growth tree, waiting a couple years, cutting that down, grinding it up, forming it into paper, then into corrugated cardboard, then onto boxes Compared to the cost of a just-above-minimum-wage worker spending 1 minute trying to update computer information The first one is inconsequential cost, because it's happening to thousands of other boxes at the same time, one extra large box means nothing in that chain, it's eating one more spoonful of rice after a full meal The worker being distracted and disrupting the work flow for even 1 minute is easily measured by middle management, so that's a grave waste which must be avoided!
Likely part of it. The 3rd party seller that sends the product to Amazon lists the shipping dimensions and if they enter it wrong, it's not like Amazon is taking the time to correct it. They'll just bill the 3rd party by the cost.
That's also true, I forgot about that part (had to load trucks a couple of times during the holidays).
Does it tell you how to load items to fit with no gaps? Or is that up to the loader?
Not Amazon but UPS does have a program that fits it all in there for you and packages are in the order they need to be in to load. UPS uses a lot of supercomputer time for route calculations and packing optimizations.
However you can make it fit without damaging it.
This is fascinating
They must have the cheat code that gives them the straight piece. I always get the Z's or the S's
Unfortunately damage occurs anyway because things like liquids are not accounted for and orientation arrows are not used by anyone at any step of the delivery process. There should be way more packaging material when transporting liquids or the containers should be better suited for transport. You have no idea how much damage stuff like detergent causes because it will leak gallons of material if that cheap plastic cap falls off damaging 50 other packages causing thousands of dollars of damage. This is a daily occurance per facility pet sort multiple times per day so the costs balloon to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Transporting liquids is the most destructive force on packages and competes for being the #1 reason packages do not get to their destination on time.
But once you make the first delivery, it's not full.
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I imagine you could packing them yo pull from the top and back first, so it empties logically. Also, there are more trucks than just the final delivery vehicle. Efficiency on a semi is more important than a final delivery van.
They’re not talking about the last mile delivery truck, they’re talking about the 53’ semi trailer that gets filled up and takes packages from the fulfillment center to the delivery station. Everything gets unloaded once it gets to the destination
Think freight packing, not last mile delivery packing. If it's not coming straight from a warehouse, it's getting out on a pallet with a bunch of other boxes, wrapped in shrink wrap and tossed onto a truck. That's where filling in the voids is important.
I pile up that paper in a corner because my cats love to stomp around in it.
My cats would be so thrilled!
Was gonna say, I receive a monthly delivery in a box that size and my cats LOVE that brown paper. They get so excited each month when the new box comes and there's fresh, uncrushed brown paper inside! :)
My cats love the paper too! We call it party paper!
I'm not a cat but I would definitely experience a compulsion to utilize all that free paper in some manner
If I fits I sits!
Many cats prefer smaller boxes because of the challenge.
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We are a zero landfill facility, we ship our trash to another location, they send it to the landfill.
In our city we are proud to boast we have no landfills. All your trash goes to the poorer city next door!
Someone maintained the values for 'product_dimensions' in 'shipping_dimensions'. Probably lazy copy paste.
That's exactly it. And with so many FBA items, the retailers don't even know what pain they're causing.
I work at an Amazon and we were getting t-shirts that stated they weighed 25lbs, which was likely the weight of the entire vendor shipment lol
I bet the dimensions on this item are based on its "expanded" dimensions. Probably seller's fault, right?
Circa the mid 2010s I believe the fulfillment system supported both packaged and full size dimensions but no guarantee there was data for the packaged dimensions. Any sort of malleable item (eg clothing) always screwed up the packaging recommendations since it had no idea it could be folded smaller.
I bet whoever submitted the listing to Amazon didn't know they could do that or got lazy. OP could always sent a message to customer support with the product ASIN about the problem. They have tools to fix that.
Nah, assuming the bag is rigid it is pretty big, but just really flat. This is probably the smallest box they had that would fit it.
No, Amazon has very flat wide and tall boxes. Source: I've ordered a giant doormat and several collapsed playpens that came in big flat boxes this would have fit in.
> they didn't use enough dunnage at the very least, I'd say they should've put half of it under and half of it over the item.
This & also there may have not been a slimmer box that fit the dimensions of the bag length wise
I've gotten Amazon packages in a box with this width and length, but a 1/4 of the height.
It all depends on what boxes they actually have though. At my fulfillment job (not Amazon) we frequently ran out of certain sizes or never had some. Even when the manager tried to order them, we sometimes never got them.
Beep boop 🤖 010010100111
It’s even got two Sp00 stickers on it!
Hey, Free time machine/transmogrifier
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Just needs crayons.
It’s bigger on the inside!
ROCK!
Gimme a rock...and stone
it goes "boink"
Scientific Progress? Is that you?
🤣 Just make sure any duplicates you make are the good ones and not the bad ones.
Owls don’t have to go to school.
wasn't expecting a reference of that caliber in this thread
A wave of nostalgia just hit me
You getting in the box was when I actually laughed. well played
OP is actually a cat and bought it just for the box
Was coming here to comment that OP acted very similarly to my cat when seeing an empty box…
Thanks, I am glad it made you laugh!
I was just thinking "I bet I could fit in there" and you start to put your foot in, crazy we were thinking the same thing at the same time
Exact same thing happened to me! "I bet *he* fits there, then he goes in.
Then he totally closes it over himself lmao like he took it an extra level
WHAT'S IN THE BOX? WHAT'S IN THE BOX?? WHAT'S IN THE BOX???
Thats a good box to jump scare someone. Id keep it for a rainy day, or day you feel someone needs a quick spook.
My sister used a mattress box. Scared the bejeezus out of her husband, who nearly knocked her out by reflex. She doesn't jump out at her husband anymore.
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If you fit in that box, you are definitely working foredeck.
That stepping into it was so funny on its own but then when he started closing the flaps I was dying.
OP used American measurement system to show us the size of box.
Meanwhile we have started to receive items with zero packaging, just a sticker on the front. As long as no damages I totally support this new method!
I got jeans with only the clear plastic around it and a label. Amazon guy just handed it to me, less then 24 hours I pressed the button. It was very strange…
Amazon knows what you're going to order before you know.
Amazon knew you were going to type that comment.
Here is the reply you ordered.
I paid for prime comments and should have gotten this quicker.
Here is the reply you will be ordering tomorrow
A few years ago Walmart started to deliver items to you from stores nearby if it were in stock. I ordered a Spider-Man costume for my 3 year old one night, and the next morning it showed up on my porch just in a Walmart shopping bag. No name, shipping label, nothing. It was so strange. I called friends and family like “did anyone buy this for me?” It perplexed the hell out of me until a few hours later I got an email from Walmart “your order has been delivered!”
I got 2 pillows. Each came in it’s own box with a bunch of those air filled bags. They’re pillows.
Regardless of how delicate the item is, it's required that the items don't shift inside the box. That's why they use air pillows/dunnage to fill the empty space. It keeps the packages more stable, important when transporting a truck full of them
I also support this since package theft isn't an issue where I live. If I was in an area where it was a problem though, I'd be pissed. I had 3 new ProArt monitors delivered from Amazon recently and all of them where just the normal Asus packaging with a shipping label. Had I been living in a high-theft area, that would have been $1,500 worth of stuff sitting on my porch all day in boxes that screamed "come take me, I am valuable!".
Yeah, I had the same thing happen with some pretty high end Klipsch speakers. Label on the outside and shipped via UPS. Left on my doorstep. The issue too isn't just that someone could take them, but now everyone knows you have some serious equipment up in your place, making you a target for a break in later.
For stuff like that, there should be a note saying that the packaging shows what it is, and a checkbox to check if you want them to put it in Amazon packaging.
I once ordered a shovel on Amazon and they literally stuck a USPS label on the handle and shipped it. I appreciated their concern for the environment
>I appreciated their concern for the ~~environment~~ cost savings
People recycling before it was cool were just cheap.
this is all fine until you are receiving something valuable/collectible. Some crazy shipping nightmares on a skateboard collector site I used to frequent.
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This was brought up in an art class in college of all things - not a shovel but mailing things like rocks - as long as they were labeled and postage was paid.
I ordered an axe last week and it came with a label zip tied to the handle. There was a 1/2" plastic cover on the cutting edge, at least.
they shipped a big woodworking vice to me like that once. It had lots of sharp corners with remains of other packages stuck to it.
Gonna order a large magnet, I want an Amazon truck stuck to my items
I ordered a used copy of Arkham Horror from a seller on boardgamegeek.com, and the seller literally just wrapped the box with packing tape, then slapped the postage on it. Completely tore up the cover art, I was furious.
Same happened to a few items I got - air compressor came in a box that was completely destroyed. Not entirely sure if the compressor has unseen damage - guess I’ll find out when it quits outside of the return window
Just got a lego box like this the other day. They taped labels all over it and they destroyed the box trying to take them off.
Good thing they had the bag on the bottom here to protect all that paper from impact.
It's called SIOC(shipped in its own container). Basically we do some drop tests on an item, if it survives with minimal damage it is classified as a SIOC item and it's shipped without being packaged. Cost savings, sustainability and all that.
this is actually not allowed, but amazon workers do it because they're too tired or can't find the right box. source: me, i work at amazon
Well that’s not always true, it explicitly says on a lot of items that packaging will reveal what’s inside the box. Every time it says that I just get the product box with the label slapped on, it gets delivered exactly as the app told me it would be 🤷♂️
They even have a term for it; Ships in Own Container (SIOC)
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I ordered a sewing machine for my mum's birthday from a local department store and they did this which is weird because they'd never done this before. She was home when it got delivered, kinda sucked.
I’m okay with this with something’s like a microwave or whatever, but I’d be furious if they started doing things with like game consoles or collectibles. It should be an option, maybe even an opt-out default, but not mandatory.
Amazon using customers as recycling bin
I mean, why waste money on recycling when you can use customers and workers, we squish the extra paper in anyway /s
You said 'sailing trip'. I take it that's in the box it came in.
As someone with relevant industry experience I have an educated guess on what happened. In the warehouse where these products are boxed and shipped, there is a software that pairs every customer order with a shipping container(s). The software tries to minimize the cost of materials and / or the shipping volume. For the software to work correctly it needs accurate dimensions for the product. In this case the dimensions for the product in the system are inaccurate - possibly the dimensions for the expanded bag were loaded instead of the dimensions for the flattened bag. So the software thought it needed a much bigger shipping container. And whatever worker was responsible for packing the product into the shipping container per the software’s instructions either wasn’t paid enough to care or was too overworked to grab a better shipping container so they just compensated with lots of packing paper. Edit: fixed spelling & condensed latter section
This has to be the correct explanation. And no hate on the person who packed the box, they most likely are overworked and underpaid.
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As a person who used to be a packer at Amazon, it's not about caring about the box/item mismatch; you just have to do what your scanner/arm computer system tells you to do or you're going to have a manager come back to you demanding to know why you didn't put it in the box you were told to, when the folks further up the line scan it and run into a new issue where their system tells them the box you've packed it in is incorrect. You're paid to care about what the computer tells you to do, not actually about what you're packing.
That’s more sad than funny
Are you a cat?
you're not allowed to think at Amazon; if the system says it takes that box, you give it that box.
OP is a cat! If I fits I sits.
I work for a shipping warehouse. There is currently a box shortage. That’s likely why it was shipped this way. This was likely the only box big enough to fit the item. We’ve had to do it on occasion.
Now you have something to play in I see
IMAGINATION
My legs are frozen solid! You're going to have to cut them off with a saw! - No, Patrick, I can't do that! Why not? - Because I already cut off my own arms!
r/perfectfit 🤣🤣🤣
r/IfIFitsISits
Grab a sharpie, we’re going to Mars!
Had a similar situation the other day. Box was wayyyy too big for the item, and had about 30 feet of plastic air-bags in the box with it.
At least this box was packed with paper and now plastic trash
That's why it's called Amazon, one rainforest in every box.
You should see how they send one bottle of nail polish…
Probably because nail polish is flammable and considered dangerous goods. Requires special packaging
If it fits, I sits.
It's SpongeBob's box
Whenever this happens I low key get excited, “free packaging!!” You have any idea how much the UPS store charges for that stuff?
Amazon…killing the environment one box at a time.
But how else am I supposed to get my worthless shit delivered in less than 24 hrs
He is probably a cat owner!
Use that paper wadding or whatever it’s called, to start charcoal for grilling! Works great to get a chimney starter going, or wadded up for lump.
Upvote for the cat-like measurement of volume “if I fits, I sits”!
I love flattening those filling papers and reuse them for my son's drawings