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My supi from boarding school and I laugh about this bill and yes we are both married and have kids. Criminalise away, gay people will still have sex.
It's the obsession with gay sex I am trying to get my head around. Why does it bother you so much how someone has an orgasm? The fun part is when ministers start being blackmailed for having anal sex with uni girls. We all know all the loudest homophobes do it cos a girls trumu no be trumu🤣
Right. I saw a tweet the other day that reminds me. Usually the ones trying to make it illegal, rally others up, or keep trying to insist that they're not....
are usually because they're actually part of that minority, and are just trying to be the only ones allowed to do it.
Oh my god, this sounds just like Ghetsis' plan in Pokemon Black and White. Get all the trainers to release their pokemon under the umbrella of pokemon should be free, and not caught with pokeballs, meanwhile the one promoting this just wants to rule the Unova region with an iron fist, and with him being the only one with pokemon, he can do just that.
(Pokemon is the world's biggest, most popular video game franchise)
O.o I didn't think I'd find another Pokemon fan here either. I'm actually a black American that's lived here since 2016. I'm all the way out here in Axim.
That’s still really cool tho, almost everyone I know only plays fifa and generally PlayStation exclusives😅 I find your reference especially funny because gen 5 is my favorite
I'm also a fan of Mario, Sonic (Though I stay as far away from the fanbase as possible), Zelda, Kid Icarus, Kirby, and Xenoblade Chronicles 1.
I actually haven't done much gaming these days. Now, I usually spend my time working in Blender.
I don’t think anybody cares about how you get your orgasm. But the rate at which the advocacy of this thing is going, that part has to be clamped down. Do it in secrecy and dont try to recruit others…
You don't even have to bring it to the personal and the micro.
Ghana has driven its economy into a ditch and clever people are leaving.
New industries, new jobs, new skills are all reliant on outside investment in our people and infrastructure.
The people looking to invest are looking for open societies and liberal democracies. Those American evangelists who pay for this nonsense won't invest in agricultural machinery and factories. Their money has gone to politicians and pastors.
Keep the courts and the zealots out of the bedrooms of consenting adults.
It's sad.... Ghana is a beautiful place if you can get past all the foolishness. Corruption, bribery, misplaced priorities, this nonsense.... I don't know if Ghana can recover from all of this without a serious change in everything, including mentality. Smart people are few and far between here because Ghana keeps chasing them away.
the literal world bank as well as u.s. foreign aid😂😂😂😂
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-08/ghana-s-feud-over-anti-lgbtq-law-threatens-20-billion-debt-deal
Even if we sell ourselves to them and get the aid like you said will we get past the corruption and bribery? With that money we’ll be relieved for a few years after that nothing. Back to zero
i agree that ghana has a horrible history with bribery and corruption. however, no one is “selling” themselves here, we are arguing for NOT passing a certain bill. if your moral obligation is rooted in the marginalization of the oppressed, does that not make you an oppressor? with your argument, you’re saying that the bribery…from the world bank…(???)… has existed prior to the *start* of the passing of the bill?
i didn’t make the prior comment, and i’m not sure if you understand how economies currently function but USUALLY non-western countries due to imperialism and colonization unfortunately gain most revenue from such handouts from western countries. as backwards as that is, losing it at this point in the country’s progression will literally set us back BILLIONS
Seeing posts like these as a westerner African is really like looking into the LGBTQ movement from 10-15 years ago. I agree that the bill is far too extreme and is just a distraction to take attention away from the massive political and economic corruption. It’s a smoke screen to appeal to the religious population while other politicians have “open marriages” but still talk about ‘family values’.
But just saying, in the West we’ve moved past the “it’s just two consenting adults raising children” argument a long, long time ago. People can marry who they want and identify with whichever gender they chose to affirm, and through law (though not always consistently practiced) LGBTQIA people cannot face discrimination or be fired or targeted because of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
But my advice is have some kind of line you know not to cross, so you don’t end up seeing the type of activists claiming we should deconstruct ‘heteronormativity’ as a whole, have kink at pride which is oddly not a settled debate for some reason and goes against the keep it in the bedroom argument, trans-women (M to F) who have already gone through male puberty or aren’t on hormones playing in women’s sports and spaces, that the nuclear family is evil, gender dysphoria not being necessary to be trans, non-binary, or any of the other outlandish stances in the community that is making the public slightly less tolerant within the past few years.
TLDR; grant them their freedom, focus on the actual government corruption, and shut up the extremist activists.
We're just upholding our culture, why is this a problem? Don't promote this in our society, why is this a problem? They're just forcing this LGBTQ+ on countries that are weak n debt strapped. The US can't be forcing LGBTQ+ plus down our throat in the name of human rights, they should be the last country to talk about it. You don't go to someone's house and dictate to him how he or she should live. There are so many weird cultures around the world they don't force it on others. I'm not against what you do with your body but don't come n open offices around advertising n promoting this.
The "it's our culture" argument has never made any sense to me because why is this a culture you think is worth upholding? Is trokosi worth upholding? Is FGM? Child brides? Those are our culture too, why aren't you fighting to protect them from western influence? Of all the things to rage against, why do you feel so strongly about what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms?
Figurative language is a type of communication that does not use a word's strict or realistic meaning.
I think I found my favorite homophobe to worry for the day. At least you are smart enough to hide it behind rhetoric
>There was nothing figurative about saying the president should throw it out.
I don't know what kind of agenda timing you are on to think OP meant the president should put the bill in a literal bin, but ultimately its up to OP to grace us with their interpretation.
>Using insults doesn't make me angry like you think, so go on.
And where did I insult you? I just made astute observations. Calling a chair a chair is not an insult, and calling a homophobe a homophobe isn't one either. It does not matter anyway since you claim not to care.
What lawmakers? Ghanaians don't like LGBTQ+ almost 90% of them, it will take time, you just don't want to rush it on them, it took time for America and even Britain to accept the LGBTQ+ movement, for Ghana is going to a really really long time , what I hate is the west forcing their do's and dont's on other countries as if they own the world, well YOU DON'T LOL
Why do Africans know more about American history than their own? Just Proving my point, obsessed with its culture. The first ever recording of gay ppl took place in Africa (Egypt) c 1200 bce. So tell me again how the west is forcing homosexuality onto the world?
Are u being naive or just delusional? The World Bank decision to potentially halt a restructuring of Ghana’s debt because of this bill is literally an example of the West forcing the acceptance of LGBTQ on Ghana. Didn’t u also have Kamala Harris come and give talks on human rights after this bill came out? Don’t be naive cuz u think the West is always right
So you want the World Bank which has several gay officials and sponsors and officials to arrange a loan for a country which will imprison members of their community and those in Ghana? Many Westerners will not say this openly but they will say "the cheek you cannot even feed yourselves and you want our money to use to bail you out and go about to hate and kill gays?
I was gonna say this!!! But talking to some Africans is like talking to a brick wall that talks back, no offense 😬Understand gay ppl are in high power, or they have gay sons or daughters.
The world bank will gladly loan money to homophobic countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, and Nigeria tho so what’s your point? Do you think the world bank holds some sort of divine morality? I’m against the bill, but once again I’m not interested in hypocrisy from western institutions that will do business with the worst of the worst on the global stage.
What’s wrong with accepting ppl for who they are?. You have the richest black person in the world living in Africa but are seeking world aid from other countries?. That should be the real topic at hand. Do you own an iPhone? The CEO is a gay man.
I’m all for accepting people for who they are. Separation of church and state. I can stand for that while also seeing that the West continues to push us on certain agendas when they can let our people adapt overtime themselves. Did America get lectured by any other country when it was against LGBTQ? Probably not
See Ghanaians are crazy people and would do anything to not allow homosexuality stand even if it is passed as legal in Ghana. I don't have any grudge against the gays or whatever they are but legalizing it would rather put them in danger. Heck there are individuals who are involved in these acts that I know of on a personal level and they are my friends, but honestly I don't care what they do with their lives. You should however know that about 99% of Ghanaians, irrespective of religion, tribe, region, etc. don't like gays and quite a few of these guys would literally take the law into their own hands and harm members of the LGBTQ community. See it's one thing to make LGBTQ legal by parliament and it's another thing to make the citizens accept it. The citizens of this country truly and sincerely, with all their heart hate these guys and trust me there will be more hate against the LGBTQ community if parliament makes it legal.
And yet you are ok with the religious justification for this bill, which of course comes from the most non western of religions 😂😂. If you’re gonna take the anti colonial perspective, at least be consistent. Otherwise you’re just a homophobe.
Please understand that Christianity though was propagated by Europeans (Westerners) are not the religion of the whites. Christianity hailed from Israel, a country in the Middle East. Same as Islam. There is no mention of a white man in the Bible. You need to understand that Jews are not whites.
Say it again and louder for those in the back! About time people woke up from this ridiculous lie that Christ was pale and blue eyed. It shouldn’t matter but it’s been used enough as a tool of oppression and division and that needs to end.
Except Christianity isn’t a religion which originated from the West. Sure they did a lot to export it to colonial Africa but it doesn’t come FROM them.
Secondly most of the West is current majority atheist/secular/agnostic so there isn’t really an inconsistency in ideology.
And not defending or attacking just information.
Sure. Then you’d have to also recognize that homophobia is largely also a colonial import then right? There’s plenty of evidence of broader acceptance in west Africa prior to colonization.
So according to you, African traditional religion is not homophobic? It's due to colonization we have "rights"actually. Homos would literally be sacrificed or banished if we were going by African culture and religion
No I don’t have to recognise anything of the sort. And besides what kind of straw man argument are you even making? So what if it is?
Today’s Ghana is what it is with Western, Northern, Eastern and internal influences all amalgamated into its culture.
It claims belief in God still. If you want to claim freedom then it applies where the majority rules as well.
Let me make another analogy here, when that priest married that young girl a few months ago, were you making noise that the objections were all based on Western influences so we should allow that to go on unchecked in our society?
I went to school with gay ppl, they live in Ghana and we know them. Some of them are even famous and living freely. Ghanaians are not the type that will go after ppl who aren’t trying to flaunt their alternative lifestyle in the streets. The society doesn’t tolerate it so don’t put yourself in a position to be victimised.
Besides this is all a smoke screen. Nothing will be enforced. Everyone just needs to calm down and let the furore run its cause and pass onto the next flavour of the month.
As for gay people on here. There is no struggle you are going through that isn’t common to all men. Don’t assume you’re being singled out or that no one cares. Live your life, seek the truth and you will find it. For context I’m not for anyone being victimised for their sexuality especially not those already struggling with exclusion and isolation.
Peace.
Thank you for the thoughtful response. I agree that Ghana is and should be a country whose wonderful people and culture are an amalgamation of lots of different influences. Just like literally any other place in the world.
I was mostly just responding to this whole “lgbt rights are simply neo colonial” nonsense. I understand that’s not the point you are making here.
I don’t really understand how you can be so cavalier and say “nothing will be enforced” though. Ghana is truly one of my favorite countries on earth. It is also easily the most openly homophobic I’ve ever lived in.
Ghana by and large is not an accepting place for lgbt people. This has real consequences, both for people who are lgbt and their families and loved ones.
This bill represents a huge step towards taking this cultural homophobia and enfranchising it. Every country that has done this, and unfortunately there have been many lately, has imprisoned scores of “suspected homosexuals.” It’s an awful precedent, and one I’m guessing you wouldn’t want your gay friends subjected to.
Your definition of “flaunting” may be different than others. And do you want that to be left up to law enforcement? Do you trust them?
Thank you also for your reasoned and respectful response.
I’m not being cavalier at all. Like I said there have always been gay ppl in Ghana. I’d like to hear from a single person who grew up in Ghana and never heard of anyone who was gay.
The indecency laws have also co-existed alongside gay ppl having been been codified into law since colonisation. We all know about the phrase “unlawful carnal knowledge”, that’s where it came from.
Now this new development happened because of the aforementioned flaunting. Open meetings and parties, trying to normalise gay pride in Ghana was the perfect excuse for politicians to jump on an easy way to coalesce the masses around an obvious ‘issue’ they can ‘solve’ with next to no back lash. They score easy points and divert attention from all the nonsense they are doing that should be making headlines instead.
If Ghana is the most openly homophobic country you’ve been to then please stay away from Uganda and Nigeria and definitely don’t step into any Islamic countries.
Ghanaians are not out to get gay ppl contrary to what it seems. But they also will not countenance that lifestyle in much the same way as if thieves, murderers and rapists decided to normalise their deeds. Now I’m not drawing any equivalences but simply stating that the country has a religion-based value system and these fly in the face of that.
Sit in your house, mind your business, eat snacks and contemplate your life in peace and don’t go dancing about in the streets. Nobody will do anything to you. Watch and see.
Post-script: I am very Christian myself but I don’t believe Christ would be rounding up people and throwing them into jail. It’s more than hypocritical because it’s the same ppl decrying homosexuality that are happily fornicating, being adulterous, taking and receiving bribes, stealing and telling lies. Before God sin is sin, no one is exempt, so not sure why everyone is pointing at specks while carrying their logs about gleefully.
On that note: come to Jesus moment is hereby activated. Give your life to Christ today all reading this and you will never be the same.
[here](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity) [here](https://philarchive.org/rec/OKWHIT) [here](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232318631_Unspoken_facts_a_history_of_homosexualities_in_Africa) [here](https://www.aaihs.org/did-europe-bring-homophobia-to-africa/) etc feel free to find me any evidence to the contrary.
There is no evidence that Africans accepted homosexuality before Europeans arrived here. It has been a taboo since ancient times. I am not supporting or defending anything here, but West African culture has been against homosexuality since ancient times.
Did you not read the comment I made right under this one where I posted like 5 academic sources? I invite you to provide me with *any* evidence to the contrary. Please do your research.
>So shall it be.
[Argument from tradition](https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition) Liberal democracies also protect the rights of minorities, at least in theory.
A Conservative democracy can still be Liberal. I am not using Liberal in the American sense of the word. Also, still argument for tradition. "Things are the way they are, they should therefore remain the way they are."
That's funny, because here is another [one](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity) Your intuition about the world around you can be and is often wrong.
Yet you’re justifying it using the same tired argument that pro lgbt movements in west Africa must be just western propaganda. And by doing so you’re ignoring the incredibly obvious rebuttal to that statement.
and did you speak to every ghanaian? i don’t remember getting any question from you. you’re not listening to the collective, you are listening to the loudest (the ones with money). we should know by now that a country’s government does not speak for the collective voice of the people. they speak for themselves.
are you like, on social media at any point? if not, you may not be able to see but there is huge uproar. transgender ghanaians have risked their lives to make songs about lgbt rights in ghana and it’s gone viral for years. and unfortunately for your argument, historically speaking, bills that protect marginalized communities always spark outrage from the other side. that’s kinda like…why they’re being protected…in the first place…
there r trans and queer people in ghana, believe it or not, who relentlessly speak up. lgbt organizations IN ghana ran by ghanaians exist. also thats literally not even your main point, you said demonstrators, not ghanaian citizens. im simply answering your initial (false) claim. making up new claims doesn’t validate your initial one. your red herring and ad hominem fallacies aren’t getting you anywhere.
I've lived here in Ghana for 9 years. And I mean actually lived here. I know the culture, the food, the laws, the incompetence, and more. That doesn't mean things should stay the same. And this is not coming from the western mentality, but just being a decent human being.
>I'm very certain that living in your country for 9 years, wouldn't give me the right to tell your country which laws to pass.
It would. You don't even need 9 years. Its called freedom of speech.
Oh, I know about the tribe stuff. It's old Ghanian traditions still trying to stay alive in the 21st century because they haven't evolved past that.
I've been all over Ghana, and been to many villages. I don't really care about what goes on between a man and a woman, or man and man, or a woman and a woman, but I do care about people attacking others just because of who they love, or their sex, or their religion as long as it doesn't involve hurting others.
>Oh, I know about the tribe stuff. It's old Ghanian traditions still trying to stay alive in the 21st century because they haven't evolved past that.
Fix your mindset. Anyone who thinks eating dogs and cats is actually a moral issue (unless you approach it from a vegetarian/veganism perspective that eating most or all animals is wrong), or who believes polygamy/polyandry/polyamory is inherently wrong (of course, I don't think there is any reason to treat other humans like property or to just not respect others), lacks critical thinking and is deeply ethnocentric. It's just a cultural difference with respect to what people eat or how marriage is done, full stop. "Evolved past that" is such a problematic way of putting it.
TBH, I've been saying this for years but most LGBT+ activists I encounter just want to spread propaganda.
I also have a gay friend who is utterly opposed to the unnecessary spotlight and media hype this issue has been getting. For one it's a very touchy subject and it's making his life difficult and low-key dangerous. Always have to look over his shoulder. Glad it has died down... the current law doesn't punish anyone LGBT unless you commit sodomy. so why the rush to be seen.
The common ghanaian doesn't care what people do in the confined of their bedroom. Cultural norms are still strong here so we need to take it slow.
We'll get there eventually, no need to force it.
In Ghana many people don't care about other people's lives, gay or not, just do it in private, don't worry about what the neighbors think.
The average Ghanaian cares only about his life, politics and sex, they don’t care What the next man is doing next door.
I'm straight as an arrow, but if I was LGBT, whether the anti-LGBTQ bill is passed or not, I would still have slept with the same sex in private.
After all Cannabis is criminalized per our constitution, but on the streets, beaches and homes, millions of Ghanaian do use cannabis, or fuck it, SMOKE WEED!
I don’t understand why the LGBT community is always venting online, like just do it in PRIVATE!
Ghanaians are too poor and hungry, we’re worried about what to eat, not whether a man loves his fellow man next door, or if Adwoa Mansa says she is attracted to Yaa Manu over Kofi Adutwum, of the opposite sex.
Aah, you folks think the average Kente seller in Okaishie or the Trotro Mate in Odorkor worries if men of the same sex decide to have a fling??
>In Ghana many people don't care about other people's lives, gay or not, just do it in private, don't worry about what the neighbors think.
Does this apply to straight couples also? If I want to kiss my wife in public should I worry about going to jail? Will I be berated and threatened with violence for holding her hand in the street? Nobody is asking for it to be legal to have sex in public, gay or straight. But I suspect the things that are being asked to be “kept in private” do not apply to all.
What I am saying is that Ghanaians are hypocrites. One thing we like to do is pretend it doesn't happen, although things certainly do happen, do your ‘thing’, just don’t display your ‘thing’ outside.
That threat of violence on LGBT folks , rarely happens, cases of LGBT folks getting mobbed is mostly media exaggeration, on the streets homosexuals are free.
I’ve lived more than 2 decades in Ghana, LGBT folks and non-LGBT folks live in harmony.
Just do your thing in PRIVATE!
Yessss they do. 78% support a law that will imprison their fellow Ghanaians for being born gay. What do you mean they don't care. That is how repression takes hold. Good people refusing to recognize reality.
https://www.modernghana.com/news/1313805/782-ghanaians-support-anti-gay-bill-passage.html
I believe 78 percent is a mistake, PEW conducted a research in which 96 percent of Ghanaians were in favor of the anti-gay bill.
My point is Cocaine is a criminalized class A drug, but folks hide and sniff their cocaine, however the addicts don’t rub it on our faces.
I advice LGBT folks and folks who were born gay, to take the course of addicts, hide and do it in PRIVATE!
What’s so hard about that?
Just don’t rub it in the faces of Ghanaians, because it hurts the feelings of majority of Ghanaians.
When did anyone rub anything in your face? So rubbing things in faces should be a crime?
If a man kisses the wife in public , should it be a crime? What sort of mind set is this. Cocaine is a prohibited substance and it's trafficking is a crime. Other crimes are stealing, rape, and robbery. Are you suggesting one can commit a crime if you don't rub it in anyone's face.
Being gay is NOT a crime. People are born gay, they don't choose to be gay. like lefthandedness, or albinism. This is a fact. Although the actual mechanism is not explained. It is definite that it is impossible to be due to post natal ( after a person has been born).
Your suggestion is the type of view some white people said in America. "I don't have anything against black people so far as they don't parade themselves in our face and they keep to themselves"
The whole issue about LGBT is one of ignorance and the wrong belief by some people that they can choose which right to give to others based on what " hurts their feelings"
In Ghana, a man kissing his wife outdoors is normal, as Ghanaians have a penchant for heterosexual couples but have disgust for ‘open’ homosexual couples.
Yes, I suggest one can commit a crime if they don’t rub it in the faces of people, remember, It’s only a crime if you’re caught.
I understand being gay is not a crime, it’s a natural trait, homosexuality has been noted among our closest cousins, the chimpanzees and the bonobos and even seahorses.
Contrary to frequently circulated myth, Ghanaians are not homophobes, lots of Ghanaians live in harmony with homosexuals in communities like Teshie, Ga- Mashie, Nungua, gay weddings are even allowed in private, in various communities, i said Privately!
In schools, gays are not mistreated, on the streets no one bats an eye if an effeminate man wears beads, anklets and a female dress or if we see 2 women holding hands.
The whole LGBT issue isn’t a matter of ignorance but rather misunderstanding of Ghanaian psychology, Ghanaians just don’t want gays in the open.
Ghanaians are not homophones, when Ghanaians are struggling to survive, dislike for Gays takes second priority.
Ghanaians don’t have dislike for LGBT folks, just be a gay in PRIVATE.
Since when did you have this topic coming up. Ask yourself why it suddenly cropped up.
American conservatives after losing in the US want to use the gullibility of Africans to install homophobia.
Homosexuality was not brought by the West. It was homophobia which they did and gullible folks are unthinkingly adopting. These whites have pitted brother against brother and today they repeat it again with dumb Africans who are too blind to see.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/
https://www.dw.com/en/lgbtq-in-africa-how-the-us-far-right-whips-up-homophobia/a-68562333
https://www.dw.com/en/lgbtq-in-africa-how-the-us-far-right-whips-up-homophobia/a-68562333
https://minorityafrica.org/homosexuality-predates-colonialism-it-is-homophobia-thats-new/
yeah.
Ghanaians don't really care but others do.
It has always been a thing, but the bill just amplified it.
Now that it has been *planned* to be passed.
Now our blasted economy will be splintered.
Isn’t it pretty obvious? It imposes significant jail time, even for “romantic displays in public.” It also imposes jail time for promoting “lgbt propaganda” (whatever that means). We can see from other countries that have similar laws like Russia that the definition of lgbt propaganda becomes extremely broad.
Is that the kind of country you want to live in?
Would you want a country, where children are exposed to sexual contents almost everywhere?
In Ghana , how regular do you see theses "romantic displays in public " from straight couples?
People do their things in private for centuries or years, even in Ghana. Why these fights and bills?
Is all about attention and wanting to promote a society, that does not respect our values as a People.
I’ve seen more people holding hands in public in Ghana than anywhere else I’ve been. I think it’d be nice if my kids saw that. I’d think it would be a huge step backwards if that were criminalized.
Counterpoint - children in Ghana are exposed to sexual content EVERYWHERE today.
When I was growing up in Ghana, you would have had to sacrifice the blood of a pink unicorn to see a woman’s thighs on GTV. “Blue film” was like cocaine laced with gold dust – impossible to come by.
Today, all you have to do is stay up late enough (or even watch at noon) to see actual pornography on TV. So much sexual content in our music videos, our radio shows etc.
(Carry on)
Financially, it will put Ghana further behind in development, because the World Bank IMF will pull their funding, which Ghana desperately needs because the country cannot survive without the western's money.
Speaking about the people themselves, have you heard about the attacks on that have happened in I think it was Accra? Those people being attacked are someone's children.
Judging by the fact that the World Bank also suspended funding to Uganda, I'd say they hold the same policies for North and Middle African countries, it's just that we don't hear about them in the news compared to Ghana and Uganda.
I’d hope so, cause otherwise that would be hypocritical and anti-black if they just target the sub-Saharan African nations but the big oil Middle Eastern ones get a pass.
Also, it’s really sad and breaks my heart as a fellow African with how financially dependent many of our nations are on the West.
I was just asking lol. If that’s the case then it’s going to be a lot harder for progressive values to become more dominant in their governments then Africa since they’re not as dependent and are more self reliant.
My daughter lives in the UK she is lesbian, and she can't visit me in Ghana anymore if the bill passes cos I have to report her and her girlfriend. That is the impact on me. I dont know about other people.
We are honestly ok with it, she wont die if she doesn't come to Ghana. There are friendlier places in the world.
lmao what are you going to do, report it to the police and then pay them bribe and transportation so they come and take your daughter and her girlfriend to prison? I mean I personally am very much against the bill but let's not be disingenuous about the fact that, on the ground, very little will change because of it.
So…how would the playmakers feel it? They would be the ones hiding. Your as much an ssa as the lawmakers for wishing that misery on anyone, especially innocent people who have nothing to do with policy making.
We need common sense and the ability to prioritise.
It's 19.5 cedis to £1
Cement is 120 cedis.
Tomatoes are selling for 20-40 cedis.
Pastors have SUV and their wives have new gold chains.
Sir, you need to focus on the priorities and stay out of people's bedrooms.
It won’t, but putting random people in jail for what they do with other consenting adults and blatantly denying basic human rights with a flimsy justification that basically turns is into a church-run state will definitely not make the economy better OR make society better friend. If you think somehow passing this bill will make Jesus come down on a winged horse throwing gold at the people of Ghana for their faithfulness to him in hypocritically passing a law that endangers thousands if not millions of our own people and promotes the spread of hatred and contempt for our fellow man, you have truly lost the plot, though unfortunately that’s not surprising cause many of us seem to have never had it over here it seems.
Even if we make all the things you’re talking about our priorities majority of Ghanaians will still side with me in keeping LBTQ away from this country. Our Muslim community don’t agree with this our Christian communities also don’t support. Don’t get me started on how the locals hate LGBTQ. We won’t throw away what we stand for just because we want some investment from western countries which will STILL end up in the same politicians pockets
Even if we make all the things you’re talking about our priorities majority of Ghanaians will still side with me in keeping LBTQ away from this country. Our Muslim community don’t agree with this our Christian communities also don’t support. Don’t get me started on how the locals hate LGBTQ. We won’t throw away what we stand for just because we want some investment from western countries which will STILL end up in the same politicians pockets
oh i didn’t know they made you the ghanaian muslim community spokesperson! congrats….one day ignorant people will learn that people u share an identity trait with can, in fact, hold different opinions from you! mind blowing i know, but it does happen.
Well if you are advising me to not generalise, and you think my position is not legitimise(?) presumably by virtue of generalising, them we are on the same page as long as you acknowledge all Ghanaians are not bigots like you.
Honestly, forcing things doesn't work out well. We need to have an open and honest conversation between both sides. But let's be real, this whole thing is unnecessary...
Ghana has bigger issues to tackle, like development, rather than wasting money on useless debates.
Most Ghanaians don't care what you do in your private life, as long as you're not harming anyone or breaking laws like defilement, rape, or sodomy. If it's consensual, it's not a problem.
It might take some time, but we'll get there eventually... the world is already moving in that direction, so all this forced agenda is just laughable."
The issue for me is that it’s forgotten if LGBT did everything then there would be no more baby’s. Why don’t heterosexual white men have any rights.
I’m not against them & people can do what they want provided all consent. But why have it thrown down your face everywhere you look?
The reason it’s “forgotten” is that it doesn’t make sense. You’re assuming that keeping homosexuality legal will make people gay. That’s not how it works. People still have babies in societies where homosexuality is decriminalized.
That’s why “it’s forgotten” 🤣
They can’t. Also can you not read? Or did you not realize that wasn’t the point of my post? You strike me as someone who hasn’t ever been exposed to why some things you think might be wrong. People still have heterosexual sex and have babies in societies where homosexuality is legal. Because making it legal doesn’t turn people gay.
you have to let them tire themselves out. we can’t build critical thinking skills for others. u can lead a horse to water but you can’t force it to drink
Heterosexual white, and black men have rights too, it's just that no one talks about them because it's not interesting.
The LGBTQ community is simply trying to be loud in a misguided attempt to have their acknowledgement. They wouldn't be doing this if people just accepted them from the start as human beings.
I live half a year in Thailand and you can imagine how many LGBT are on some of the bars. The rest of the time I’m in Bahrain & know many gay/ladyboys. No issue.
But Europe or the west it’s everywhere
America is ridiculous. Weren't they the ones that fucking came up with these pride flags and pride month?
And yet, America is a racist place when it comes to black people. There is no real justice system in America, especially if you're black.
Mention one thing a white in America can do that a black American can't do? Racism doesn't exist in America anymore, in fact blacks and other minority groups are even favored more than the whites in some instances. Racism now is just an ideology pushed on blacks just for them to victimize themselves. If blacks put that same energy they put in victimizing themselves into developing themselves they would be way successful than the other races in america.
>The issue for me is that it’s forgotten if LGBT did everything then there would be no more baby’s.
LGBT people have existed alongside heterosexual people throughout history and the human population keeps increasing. Something's fishy.
>Why don’t heterosexual white men have any rights.
What are you talking about?
>But why have it thrown down your face everywhere you look?
If anything we live in a heteronomative society that's what you see when everywhere you look.
did it ever occur to u that straight people will still exist? that trans people can still carry and produce children? the rhetoric of queer people being anti-child is homophobic propaganda so that anti-lgbt laws can exist
also, no one is “throwing anything” in anyone’s face. if you’re bothered by people simply existing and feel bothered by who someone chooses to love, those are feelings you are bringing on yourself, not the other way around
i can’t even acknowledge your “heterosexual white male rights” defense at this point. when you can show me cis-het white males who have been systemically and historically marginalized, terrorized, and murdered for their identity then we can talk. the fact that you’re even using white men as an defense for bigotry is laughable. you are doing exactly what they want u to do
to answer this genuinely, the gender identity is a spectrum! for an example, someone trans masc can still choose to retain functioning ovaries and a uterus. someone who is nonbinary can also do the same
also, someone can be trans AND still be straight, as in be trans and still be attracted to the opposite gender. this is one of the many reasons why the “lgbt/anti-child” rhetoric simply does not make sense. just because families may LOOK different from what we may have been told is right, they’re not any less valid.
as for your pride month comment, what should we do to balance it then? should we have a straight men’s month? what month works for you, how about october? then can queer people have rights?
How do heterosexual white men not have any rights? This is the stupidest shit I’ve seen this week and I just watched the video where Terrence Howard said math is wrong and 1*1=2.
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lol, just last night I was thinking “ it’s been a while I saw any post on here about LGBTQ”.
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My supi from boarding school and I laugh about this bill and yes we are both married and have kids. Criminalise away, gay people will still have sex. It's the obsession with gay sex I am trying to get my head around. Why does it bother you so much how someone has an orgasm? The fun part is when ministers start being blackmailed for having anal sex with uni girls. We all know all the loudest homophobes do it cos a girls trumu no be trumu🤣
Right. I saw a tweet the other day that reminds me. Usually the ones trying to make it illegal, rally others up, or keep trying to insist that they're not.... are usually because they're actually part of that minority, and are just trying to be the only ones allowed to do it. Oh my god, this sounds just like Ghetsis' plan in Pokemon Black and White. Get all the trainers to release their pokemon under the umbrella of pokemon should be free, and not caught with pokeballs, meanwhile the one promoting this just wants to rule the Unova region with an iron fist, and with him being the only one with pokemon, he can do just that. (Pokemon is the world's biggest, most popular video game franchise)
Yoo a Pokemon reference? In a Ghanaian space? Never thought I’d see the day
O.o I didn't think I'd find another Pokemon fan here either. I'm actually a black American that's lived here since 2016. I'm all the way out here in Axim.
That’s still really cool tho, almost everyone I know only plays fifa and generally PlayStation exclusives😅 I find your reference especially funny because gen 5 is my favorite
I'm also a fan of Mario, Sonic (Though I stay as far away from the fanbase as possible), Zelda, Kid Icarus, Kirby, and Xenoblade Chronicles 1. I actually haven't done much gaming these days. Now, I usually spend my time working in Blender.
Popular and big . But definitely not the biggest my guy
But I do get the point you’re making
Biggest franchise is quite a stretch tbh
You and your friend seem like fun people to hang around with 😂
I don’t think anybody cares about how you get your orgasm. But the rate at which the advocacy of this thing is going, that part has to be clamped down. Do it in secrecy and dont try to recruit others…
Lol relax the bill doesn't cover what you're doing in your rooms. Just don't bring it out in public and you're fine
I don’t believe any president will sign that bill into law. The hype has already died down.
You don't even have to bring it to the personal and the micro. Ghana has driven its economy into a ditch and clever people are leaving. New industries, new jobs, new skills are all reliant on outside investment in our people and infrastructure. The people looking to invest are looking for open societies and liberal democracies. Those American evangelists who pay for this nonsense won't invest in agricultural machinery and factories. Their money has gone to politicians and pastors. Keep the courts and the zealots out of the bedrooms of consenting adults.
It's sad.... Ghana is a beautiful place if you can get past all the foolishness. Corruption, bribery, misplaced priorities, this nonsense.... I don't know if Ghana can recover from all of this without a serious change in everything, including mentality. Smart people are few and far between here because Ghana keeps chasing them away.
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the literal world bank as well as u.s. foreign aid😂😂😂😂 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-08/ghana-s-feud-over-anti-lgbtq-law-threatens-20-billion-debt-deal
Even if we sell ourselves to them and get the aid like you said will we get past the corruption and bribery? With that money we’ll be relieved for a few years after that nothing. Back to zero
i agree that ghana has a horrible history with bribery and corruption. however, no one is “selling” themselves here, we are arguing for NOT passing a certain bill. if your moral obligation is rooted in the marginalization of the oppressed, does that not make you an oppressor? with your argument, you’re saying that the bribery…from the world bank…(???)… has existed prior to the *start* of the passing of the bill?
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i didn’t make the prior comment, and i’m not sure if you understand how economies currently function but USUALLY non-western countries due to imperialism and colonization unfortunately gain most revenue from such handouts from western countries. as backwards as that is, losing it at this point in the country’s progression will literally set us back BILLIONS
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Are you living in those countries? Use your brain please
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Losing the plot further there, aren’t we?
My friend you are losing the plot.
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Cry me a river…
Seeing posts like these as a westerner African is really like looking into the LGBTQ movement from 10-15 years ago. I agree that the bill is far too extreme and is just a distraction to take attention away from the massive political and economic corruption. It’s a smoke screen to appeal to the religious population while other politicians have “open marriages” but still talk about ‘family values’. But just saying, in the West we’ve moved past the “it’s just two consenting adults raising children” argument a long, long time ago. People can marry who they want and identify with whichever gender they chose to affirm, and through law (though not always consistently practiced) LGBTQIA people cannot face discrimination or be fired or targeted because of their sexual orientation or gender identity. But my advice is have some kind of line you know not to cross, so you don’t end up seeing the type of activists claiming we should deconstruct ‘heteronormativity’ as a whole, have kink at pride which is oddly not a settled debate for some reason and goes against the keep it in the bedroom argument, trans-women (M to F) who have already gone through male puberty or aren’t on hormones playing in women’s sports and spaces, that the nuclear family is evil, gender dysphoria not being necessary to be trans, non-binary, or any of the other outlandish stances in the community that is making the public slightly less tolerant within the past few years. TLDR; grant them their freedom, focus on the actual government corruption, and shut up the extremist activists.
It took time for the west to accept it, it will take time for Ghana tooo
The United States in particular was against LGBT since the 17th century, and only allowed it legally in the 21st century. Ghana needs time as well.
We're just upholding our culture, why is this a problem? Don't promote this in our society, why is this a problem? They're just forcing this LGBTQ+ on countries that are weak n debt strapped. The US can't be forcing LGBTQ+ plus down our throat in the name of human rights, they should be the last country to talk about it. You don't go to someone's house and dictate to him how he or she should live. There are so many weird cultures around the world they don't force it on others. I'm not against what you do with your body but don't come n open offices around advertising n promoting this.
The "it's our culture" argument has never made any sense to me because why is this a culture you think is worth upholding? Is trokosi worth upholding? Is FGM? Child brides? Those are our culture too, why aren't you fighting to protect them from western influence? Of all the things to rage against, why do you feel so strongly about what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms?
It’s funny you say this, here in nyc it’s immigrant capital They definitely come with their own culture and beliefs trying to force it on Americans.
Let’s see if the President has the leadership to throw this bill in the bin.
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Figurative language is a type of communication that does not use a word's strict or realistic meaning. I think I found my favorite homophobe to worry for the day. At least you are smart enough to hide it behind rhetoric
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>There was nothing figurative about saying the president should throw it out. I don't know what kind of agenda timing you are on to think OP meant the president should put the bill in a literal bin, but ultimately its up to OP to grace us with their interpretation. >Using insults doesn't make me angry like you think, so go on. And where did I insult you? I just made astute observations. Calling a chair a chair is not an insult, and calling a homophobe a homophobe isn't one either. It does not matter anyway since you claim not to care.
What lawmakers? Ghanaians don't like LGBTQ+ almost 90% of them, it will take time, you just don't want to rush it on them, it took time for America and even Britain to accept the LGBTQ+ movement, for Ghana is going to a really really long time , what I hate is the west forcing their do's and dont's on other countries as if they own the world, well YOU DON'T LOL
Ppl are obsessed with American culture, I doubt anything is forced. Ppl are naturally born gay all over the world.
Back then America didn't accept the LGBTQ+ movement, weren't there any naturally born gays?
Why do Africans know more about American history than their own? Just Proving my point, obsessed with its culture. The first ever recording of gay ppl took place in Africa (Egypt) c 1200 bce. So tell me again how the west is forcing homosexuality onto the world?
Are u being naive or just delusional? The World Bank decision to potentially halt a restructuring of Ghana’s debt because of this bill is literally an example of the West forcing the acceptance of LGBTQ on Ghana. Didn’t u also have Kamala Harris come and give talks on human rights after this bill came out? Don’t be naive cuz u think the West is always right
So you want the World Bank which has several gay officials and sponsors and officials to arrange a loan for a country which will imprison members of their community and those in Ghana? Many Westerners will not say this openly but they will say "the cheek you cannot even feed yourselves and you want our money to use to bail you out and go about to hate and kill gays?
I was gonna say this!!! But talking to some Africans is like talking to a brick wall that talks back, no offense 😬Understand gay ppl are in high power, or they have gay sons or daughters.
Fortunately, I do have some critical thinking skills
The world bank will gladly loan money to homophobic countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, and Nigeria tho so what’s your point? Do you think the world bank holds some sort of divine morality? I’m against the bill, but once again I’m not interested in hypocrisy from western institutions that will do business with the worst of the worst on the global stage.
What’s wrong with accepting ppl for who they are?. You have the richest black person in the world living in Africa but are seeking world aid from other countries?. That should be the real topic at hand. Do you own an iPhone? The CEO is a gay man.
I’m all for accepting people for who they are. Separation of church and state. I can stand for that while also seeing that the West continues to push us on certain agendas when they can let our people adapt overtime themselves. Did America get lectured by any other country when it was against LGBTQ? Probably not
Hmmm...
Exactly
I see only gays here
See Ghanaians are crazy people and would do anything to not allow homosexuality stand even if it is passed as legal in Ghana. I don't have any grudge against the gays or whatever they are but legalizing it would rather put them in danger. Heck there are individuals who are involved in these acts that I know of on a personal level and they are my friends, but honestly I don't care what they do with their lives. You should however know that about 99% of Ghanaians, irrespective of religion, tribe, region, etc. don't like gays and quite a few of these guys would literally take the law into their own hands and harm members of the LGBTQ community. See it's one thing to make LGBTQ legal by parliament and it's another thing to make the citizens accept it. The citizens of this country truly and sincerely, with all their heart hate these guys and trust me there will be more hate against the LGBTQ community if parliament makes it legal.
I don't see how this bill violates human rights
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And yet you are ok with the religious justification for this bill, which of course comes from the most non western of religions 😂😂. If you’re gonna take the anti colonial perspective, at least be consistent. Otherwise you’re just a homophobe.
Please understand that Christianity though was propagated by Europeans (Westerners) are not the religion of the whites. Christianity hailed from Israel, a country in the Middle East. Same as Islam. There is no mention of a white man in the Bible. You need to understand that Jews are not whites.
Say it again and louder for those in the back! About time people woke up from this ridiculous lie that Christ was pale and blue eyed. It shouldn’t matter but it’s been used enough as a tool of oppression and division and that needs to end.
Except Christianity isn’t a religion which originated from the West. Sure they did a lot to export it to colonial Africa but it doesn’t come FROM them. Secondly most of the West is current majority atheist/secular/agnostic so there isn’t really an inconsistency in ideology. And not defending or attacking just information.
Sure. Then you’d have to also recognize that homophobia is largely also a colonial import then right? There’s plenty of evidence of broader acceptance in west Africa prior to colonization.
So according to you, African traditional religion is not homophobic? It's due to colonization we have "rights"actually. Homos would literally be sacrificed or banished if we were going by African culture and religion
Do you have a source for this? Because I posted several that suggest otherwise.
No I don’t have to recognise anything of the sort. And besides what kind of straw man argument are you even making? So what if it is? Today’s Ghana is what it is with Western, Northern, Eastern and internal influences all amalgamated into its culture. It claims belief in God still. If you want to claim freedom then it applies where the majority rules as well. Let me make another analogy here, when that priest married that young girl a few months ago, were you making noise that the objections were all based on Western influences so we should allow that to go on unchecked in our society? I went to school with gay ppl, they live in Ghana and we know them. Some of them are even famous and living freely. Ghanaians are not the type that will go after ppl who aren’t trying to flaunt their alternative lifestyle in the streets. The society doesn’t tolerate it so don’t put yourself in a position to be victimised. Besides this is all a smoke screen. Nothing will be enforced. Everyone just needs to calm down and let the furore run its cause and pass onto the next flavour of the month. As for gay people on here. There is no struggle you are going through that isn’t common to all men. Don’t assume you’re being singled out or that no one cares. Live your life, seek the truth and you will find it. For context I’m not for anyone being victimised for their sexuality especially not those already struggling with exclusion and isolation. Peace.
Thank you for the thoughtful response. I agree that Ghana is and should be a country whose wonderful people and culture are an amalgamation of lots of different influences. Just like literally any other place in the world. I was mostly just responding to this whole “lgbt rights are simply neo colonial” nonsense. I understand that’s not the point you are making here. I don’t really understand how you can be so cavalier and say “nothing will be enforced” though. Ghana is truly one of my favorite countries on earth. It is also easily the most openly homophobic I’ve ever lived in. Ghana by and large is not an accepting place for lgbt people. This has real consequences, both for people who are lgbt and their families and loved ones. This bill represents a huge step towards taking this cultural homophobia and enfranchising it. Every country that has done this, and unfortunately there have been many lately, has imprisoned scores of “suspected homosexuals.” It’s an awful precedent, and one I’m guessing you wouldn’t want your gay friends subjected to. Your definition of “flaunting” may be different than others. And do you want that to be left up to law enforcement? Do you trust them?
Thank you also for your reasoned and respectful response. I’m not being cavalier at all. Like I said there have always been gay ppl in Ghana. I’d like to hear from a single person who grew up in Ghana and never heard of anyone who was gay. The indecency laws have also co-existed alongside gay ppl having been been codified into law since colonisation. We all know about the phrase “unlawful carnal knowledge”, that’s where it came from. Now this new development happened because of the aforementioned flaunting. Open meetings and parties, trying to normalise gay pride in Ghana was the perfect excuse for politicians to jump on an easy way to coalesce the masses around an obvious ‘issue’ they can ‘solve’ with next to no back lash. They score easy points and divert attention from all the nonsense they are doing that should be making headlines instead. If Ghana is the most openly homophobic country you’ve been to then please stay away from Uganda and Nigeria and definitely don’t step into any Islamic countries. Ghanaians are not out to get gay ppl contrary to what it seems. But they also will not countenance that lifestyle in much the same way as if thieves, murderers and rapists decided to normalise their deeds. Now I’m not drawing any equivalences but simply stating that the country has a religion-based value system and these fly in the face of that. Sit in your house, mind your business, eat snacks and contemplate your life in peace and don’t go dancing about in the streets. Nobody will do anything to you. Watch and see. Post-script: I am very Christian myself but I don’t believe Christ would be rounding up people and throwing them into jail. It’s more than hypocritical because it’s the same ppl decrying homosexuality that are happily fornicating, being adulterous, taking and receiving bribes, stealing and telling lies. Before God sin is sin, no one is exempt, so not sure why everyone is pointing at specks while carrying their logs about gleefully. On that note: come to Jesus moment is hereby activated. Give your life to Christ today all reading this and you will never be the same.
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I mean…! This is just diversionary tactics, politricktians are politricking. Everyone just needs to relax kraaa…haba!
Masa what evidence of acceptance. Where did you get this information
[here](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/being-gay-african-history-homosexuality-christianity) [here](https://philarchive.org/rec/OKWHIT) [here](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232318631_Unspoken_facts_a_history_of_homosexualities_in_Africa) [here](https://www.aaihs.org/did-europe-bring-homophobia-to-africa/) etc feel free to find me any evidence to the contrary.
Could it be possible to get the third one to read please?
There is no evidence that Africans accepted homosexuality before Europeans arrived here. It has been a taboo since ancient times. I am not supporting or defending anything here, but West African culture has been against homosexuality since ancient times.
Did you not read the comment I made right under this one where I posted like 5 academic sources? I invite you to provide me with *any* evidence to the contrary. Please do your research.
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>So shall it be. [Argument from tradition](https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition) Liberal democracies also protect the rights of minorities, at least in theory.
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A Conservative democracy can still be Liberal. I am not using Liberal in the American sense of the word. Also, still argument for tradition. "Things are the way they are, they should therefore remain the way they are."
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That's funny, because here is another [one](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity) Your intuition about the world around you can be and is often wrong.
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How so? Can you elaborate?
Yet you’re justifying it using the same tired argument that pro lgbt movements in west Africa must be just western propaganda. And by doing so you’re ignoring the incredibly obvious rebuttal to that statement.
and did you speak to every ghanaian? i don’t remember getting any question from you. you’re not listening to the collective, you are listening to the loudest (the ones with money). we should know by now that a country’s government does not speak for the collective voice of the people. they speak for themselves.
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are you like, on social media at any point? if not, you may not be able to see but there is huge uproar. transgender ghanaians have risked their lives to make songs about lgbt rights in ghana and it’s gone viral for years. and unfortunately for your argument, historically speaking, bills that protect marginalized communities always spark outrage from the other side. that’s kinda like…why they’re being protected…in the first place…
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there r trans and queer people in ghana, believe it or not, who relentlessly speak up. lgbt organizations IN ghana ran by ghanaians exist. also thats literally not even your main point, you said demonstrators, not ghanaian citizens. im simply answering your initial (false) claim. making up new claims doesn’t validate your initial one. your red herring and ad hominem fallacies aren’t getting you anywhere.
I've lived here in Ghana for 9 years. And I mean actually lived here. I know the culture, the food, the laws, the incompetence, and more. That doesn't mean things should stay the same. And this is not coming from the western mentality, but just being a decent human being.
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>I'm very certain that living in your country for 9 years, wouldn't give me the right to tell your country which laws to pass. It would. You don't even need 9 years. Its called freedom of speech.
For Ghana's future, something needs to be done. I'm still waiting for more news about the Anti-LGBTQ bill since I know it's in Court right now.
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Oh, I know about the tribe stuff. It's old Ghanian traditions still trying to stay alive in the 21st century because they haven't evolved past that. I've been all over Ghana, and been to many villages. I don't really care about what goes on between a man and a woman, or man and man, or a woman and a woman, but I do care about people attacking others just because of who they love, or their sex, or their religion as long as it doesn't involve hurting others.
>Oh, I know about the tribe stuff. It's old Ghanian traditions still trying to stay alive in the 21st century because they haven't evolved past that. Fix your mindset. Anyone who thinks eating dogs and cats is actually a moral issue (unless you approach it from a vegetarian/veganism perspective that eating most or all animals is wrong), or who believes polygamy/polyandry/polyamory is inherently wrong (of course, I don't think there is any reason to treat other humans like property or to just not respect others), lacks critical thinking and is deeply ethnocentric. It's just a cultural difference with respect to what people eat or how marriage is done, full stop. "Evolved past that" is such a problematic way of putting it.
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TBH, I've been saying this for years but most LGBT+ activists I encounter just want to spread propaganda. I also have a gay friend who is utterly opposed to the unnecessary spotlight and media hype this issue has been getting. For one it's a very touchy subject and it's making his life difficult and low-key dangerous. Always have to look over his shoulder. Glad it has died down... the current law doesn't punish anyone LGBT unless you commit sodomy. so why the rush to be seen. The common ghanaian doesn't care what people do in the confined of their bedroom. Cultural norms are still strong here so we need to take it slow. We'll get there eventually, no need to force it.
In Ghana many people don't care about other people's lives, gay or not, just do it in private, don't worry about what the neighbors think. The average Ghanaian cares only about his life, politics and sex, they don’t care What the next man is doing next door. I'm straight as an arrow, but if I was LGBT, whether the anti-LGBTQ bill is passed or not, I would still have slept with the same sex in private. After all Cannabis is criminalized per our constitution, but on the streets, beaches and homes, millions of Ghanaian do use cannabis, or fuck it, SMOKE WEED! I don’t understand why the LGBT community is always venting online, like just do it in PRIVATE! Ghanaians are too poor and hungry, we’re worried about what to eat, not whether a man loves his fellow man next door, or if Adwoa Mansa says she is attracted to Yaa Manu over Kofi Adutwum, of the opposite sex. Aah, you folks think the average Kente seller in Okaishie or the Trotro Mate in Odorkor worries if men of the same sex decide to have a fling??
>In Ghana many people don't care about other people's lives, gay or not, just do it in private, don't worry about what the neighbors think. Does this apply to straight couples also? If I want to kiss my wife in public should I worry about going to jail? Will I be berated and threatened with violence for holding her hand in the street? Nobody is asking for it to be legal to have sex in public, gay or straight. But I suspect the things that are being asked to be “kept in private” do not apply to all.
What I am saying is that Ghanaians are hypocrites. One thing we like to do is pretend it doesn't happen, although things certainly do happen, do your ‘thing’, just don’t display your ‘thing’ outside. That threat of violence on LGBT folks , rarely happens, cases of LGBT folks getting mobbed is mostly media exaggeration, on the streets homosexuals are free. I’ve lived more than 2 decades in Ghana, LGBT folks and non-LGBT folks live in harmony. Just do your thing in PRIVATE!
Yessss they do. 78% support a law that will imprison their fellow Ghanaians for being born gay. What do you mean they don't care. That is how repression takes hold. Good people refusing to recognize reality. https://www.modernghana.com/news/1313805/782-ghanaians-support-anti-gay-bill-passage.html
I believe 78 percent is a mistake, PEW conducted a research in which 96 percent of Ghanaians were in favor of the anti-gay bill. My point is Cocaine is a criminalized class A drug, but folks hide and sniff their cocaine, however the addicts don’t rub it on our faces. I advice LGBT folks and folks who were born gay, to take the course of addicts, hide and do it in PRIVATE! What’s so hard about that? Just don’t rub it in the faces of Ghanaians, because it hurts the feelings of majority of Ghanaians.
When did anyone rub anything in your face? So rubbing things in faces should be a crime? If a man kisses the wife in public , should it be a crime? What sort of mind set is this. Cocaine is a prohibited substance and it's trafficking is a crime. Other crimes are stealing, rape, and robbery. Are you suggesting one can commit a crime if you don't rub it in anyone's face. Being gay is NOT a crime. People are born gay, they don't choose to be gay. like lefthandedness, or albinism. This is a fact. Although the actual mechanism is not explained. It is definite that it is impossible to be due to post natal ( after a person has been born). Your suggestion is the type of view some white people said in America. "I don't have anything against black people so far as they don't parade themselves in our face and they keep to themselves" The whole issue about LGBT is one of ignorance and the wrong belief by some people that they can choose which right to give to others based on what " hurts their feelings"
In Ghana, a man kissing his wife outdoors is normal, as Ghanaians have a penchant for heterosexual couples but have disgust for ‘open’ homosexual couples. Yes, I suggest one can commit a crime if they don’t rub it in the faces of people, remember, It’s only a crime if you’re caught. I understand being gay is not a crime, it’s a natural trait, homosexuality has been noted among our closest cousins, the chimpanzees and the bonobos and even seahorses. Contrary to frequently circulated myth, Ghanaians are not homophobes, lots of Ghanaians live in harmony with homosexuals in communities like Teshie, Ga- Mashie, Nungua, gay weddings are even allowed in private, in various communities, i said Privately! In schools, gays are not mistreated, on the streets no one bats an eye if an effeminate man wears beads, anklets and a female dress or if we see 2 women holding hands. The whole LGBT issue isn’t a matter of ignorance but rather misunderstanding of Ghanaian psychology, Ghanaians just don’t want gays in the open. Ghanaians are not homophones, when Ghanaians are struggling to survive, dislike for Gays takes second priority. Ghanaians don’t have dislike for LGBT folks, just be a gay in PRIVATE.
Since when did you have this topic coming up. Ask yourself why it suddenly cropped up. American conservatives after losing in the US want to use the gullibility of Africans to install homophobia. Homosexuality was not brought by the West. It was homophobia which they did and gullible folks are unthinkingly adopting. These whites have pitted brother against brother and today they repeat it again with dumb Africans who are too blind to see. https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/ https://www.dw.com/en/lgbtq-in-africa-how-the-us-far-right-whips-up-homophobia/a-68562333 https://www.dw.com/en/lgbtq-in-africa-how-the-us-far-right-whips-up-homophobia/a-68562333 https://minorityafrica.org/homosexuality-predates-colonialism-it-is-homophobia-thats-new/
yeah. Ghanaians don't really care but others do. It has always been a thing, but the bill just amplified it. Now that it has been *planned* to be passed. Now our blasted economy will be splintered.
Exactly what impact will this bill have on LGBTQ in Ghana?
Isn’t it pretty obvious? It imposes significant jail time, even for “romantic displays in public.” It also imposes jail time for promoting “lgbt propaganda” (whatever that means). We can see from other countries that have similar laws like Russia that the definition of lgbt propaganda becomes extremely broad. Is that the kind of country you want to live in?
Would you want a country, where children are exposed to sexual contents almost everywhere? In Ghana , how regular do you see theses "romantic displays in public " from straight couples? People do their things in private for centuries or years, even in Ghana. Why these fights and bills? Is all about attention and wanting to promote a society, that does not respect our values as a People.
I’ve seen more people holding hands in public in Ghana than anywhere else I’ve been. I think it’d be nice if my kids saw that. I’d think it would be a huge step backwards if that were criminalized.
Counterpoint - children in Ghana are exposed to sexual content EVERYWHERE today. When I was growing up in Ghana, you would have had to sacrifice the blood of a pink unicorn to see a woman’s thighs on GTV. “Blue film” was like cocaine laced with gold dust – impossible to come by. Today, all you have to do is stay up late enough (or even watch at noon) to see actual pornography on TV. So much sexual content in our music videos, our radio shows etc. (Carry on)
Financially, it will put Ghana further behind in development, because the World Bank IMF will pull their funding, which Ghana desperately needs because the country cannot survive without the western's money. Speaking about the people themselves, have you heard about the attacks on that have happened in I think it was Accra? Those people being attacked are someone's children.
Does the World Bank also hold the same policies for North African and Middle Eastern countries that also have anti-LGBTQ laws?
Judging by the fact that the World Bank also suspended funding to Uganda, I'd say they hold the same policies for North and Middle African countries, it's just that we don't hear about them in the news compared to Ghana and Uganda.
I’d hope so, cause otherwise that would be hypocritical and anti-black if they just target the sub-Saharan African nations but the big oil Middle Eastern ones get a pass. Also, it’s really sad and breaks my heart as a fellow African with how financially dependent many of our nations are on the West.
lol. As if Saudi Arabia needs World Bank loans. The middle eastern countries are lenders not borrowers of money.
I was just asking lol. If that’s the case then it’s going to be a lot harder for progressive values to become more dominant in their governments then Africa since they’re not as dependent and are more self reliant.
My daughter lives in the UK she is lesbian, and she can't visit me in Ghana anymore if the bill passes cos I have to report her and her girlfriend. That is the impact on me. I dont know about other people. We are honestly ok with it, she wont die if she doesn't come to Ghana. There are friendlier places in the world.
lmao what are you going to do, report it to the police and then pay them bribe and transportation so they come and take your daughter and her girlfriend to prison? I mean I personally am very much against the bill but let's not be disingenuous about the fact that, on the ground, very little will change because of it.
Well the police may want a threesome with them instead of a bribe. I cant guarantee which way it will swing, so issokay let them stay where they are
Well it's a Bill not a Law yet . What does the bill say?
So…how would the playmakers feel it? They would be the ones hiding. Your as much an ssa as the lawmakers for wishing that misery on anyone, especially innocent people who have nothing to do with policy making.
I mean if you are doing it in your house , how do they know ?
slay!!
We don’t need the alphabet people in our country 🙏
We need common sense and the ability to prioritise. It's 19.5 cedis to £1 Cement is 120 cedis. Tomatoes are selling for 20-40 cedis. Pastors have SUV and their wives have new gold chains. Sir, you need to focus on the priorities and stay out of people's bedrooms.
like legalizing LGBTQ will make the economy better💀💀💀
It won’t, but putting random people in jail for what they do with other consenting adults and blatantly denying basic human rights with a flimsy justification that basically turns is into a church-run state will definitely not make the economy better OR make society better friend. If you think somehow passing this bill will make Jesus come down on a winged horse throwing gold at the people of Ghana for their faithfulness to him in hypocritically passing a law that endangers thousands if not millions of our own people and promotes the spread of hatred and contempt for our fellow man, you have truly lost the plot, though unfortunately that’s not surprising cause many of us seem to have never had it over here it seems.
thank you, their priorities are so twisted. our. people are fighting to stay in homes while the president turns ghana into resort africa central
Even if we make all the things you’re talking about our priorities majority of Ghanaians will still side with me in keeping LBTQ away from this country. Our Muslim community don’t agree with this our Christian communities also don’t support. Don’t get me started on how the locals hate LGBTQ. We won’t throw away what we stand for just because we want some investment from western countries which will STILL end up in the same politicians pockets
Even if we make all the things you’re talking about our priorities majority of Ghanaians will still side with me in keeping LBTQ away from this country. Our Muslim community don’t agree with this our Christian communities also don’t support. Don’t get me started on how the locals hate LGBTQ. We won’t throw away what we stand for just because we want some investment from western countries which will STILL end up in the same politicians pockets
oh i didn’t know they made you the ghanaian muslim community spokesperson! congrats….one day ignorant people will learn that people u share an identity trait with can, in fact, hold different opinions from you! mind blowing i know, but it does happen.
Right? Pure xenophobia. You have an ignorant opinion, say Muslims support it. Mentioning Muslims for cover to Christian zealotry.
Who is "we"?
The legislature, our chiefs, our locals. They are all citizens like you. Don’t act like all of Ghana is against anti-LGBTQ.
Well if you are advising me to not generalise, and you think my position is not legitimise(?) presumably by virtue of generalising, them we are on the same page as long as you acknowledge all Ghanaians are not bigots like you.
Wrong, people like you are not needed in Ghana.
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Sorry this is false
Not me thinking we were over this topic...
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Can you imagine?
I support the bill. We will force everybody to be heterosexual. For the lgbtq, fake it til you make it buddy
Honestly, forcing things doesn't work out well. We need to have an open and honest conversation between both sides. But let's be real, this whole thing is unnecessary... Ghana has bigger issues to tackle, like development, rather than wasting money on useless debates. Most Ghanaians don't care what you do in your private life, as long as you're not harming anyone or breaking laws like defilement, rape, or sodomy. If it's consensual, it's not a problem. It might take some time, but we'll get there eventually... the world is already moving in that direction, so all this forced agenda is just laughable."
Exactly I’m not serious
The issue for me is that it’s forgotten if LGBT did everything then there would be no more baby’s. Why don’t heterosexual white men have any rights. I’m not against them & people can do what they want provided all consent. But why have it thrown down your face everywhere you look?
The reason it’s “forgotten” is that it doesn’t make sense. You’re assuming that keeping homosexuality legal will make people gay. That’s not how it works. People still have babies in societies where homosexuality is decriminalized. That’s why “it’s forgotten” 🤣
How can two men or two women have babies? Or have I been asleep for 1,000 years and now they can
They can’t. Also can you not read? Or did you not realize that wasn’t the point of my post? You strike me as someone who hasn’t ever been exposed to why some things you think might be wrong. People still have heterosexual sex and have babies in societies where homosexuality is legal. Because making it legal doesn’t turn people gay.
you’ve been asleep for 1,000 years and now they can. hope this helps!
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me when i’m being homophobic and dumb
Two men can now have babies.. doesn’t it need an egg which comes from a woman or do en now make the eggs, have Womb then give birth
Literally what are you talking about
you have to let them tire themselves out. we can’t build critical thinking skills for others. u can lead a horse to water but you can’t force it to drink
True 🤣
Men cannot have babies with menl.. is that too hard for you to understand
No it’s easy for me to understand 🤣🤣. This is truly one of the stupidest conversations I’ve ever had.
Heterosexual white, and black men have rights too, it's just that no one talks about them because it's not interesting. The LGBTQ community is simply trying to be loud in a misguided attempt to have their acknowledgement. They wouldn't be doing this if people just accepted them from the start as human beings.
I live half a year in Thailand and you can imagine how many LGBT are on some of the bars. The rest of the time I’m in Bahrain & know many gay/ladyboys. No issue. But Europe or the west it’s everywhere
America is ridiculous. Weren't they the ones that fucking came up with these pride flags and pride month? And yet, America is a racist place when it comes to black people. There is no real justice system in America, especially if you're black.
Mention one thing a white in America can do that a black American can't do? Racism doesn't exist in America anymore, in fact blacks and other minority groups are even favored more than the whites in some instances. Racism now is just an ideology pushed on blacks just for them to victimize themselves. If blacks put that same energy they put in victimizing themselves into developing themselves they would be way successful than the other races in america.
>The issue for me is that it’s forgotten if LGBT did everything then there would be no more baby’s. LGBT people have existed alongside heterosexual people throughout history and the human population keeps increasing. Something's fishy. >Why don’t heterosexual white men have any rights. What are you talking about? >But why have it thrown down your face everywhere you look? If anything we live in a heteronomative society that's what you see when everywhere you look.
did it ever occur to u that straight people will still exist? that trans people can still carry and produce children? the rhetoric of queer people being anti-child is homophobic propaganda so that anti-lgbt laws can exist also, no one is “throwing anything” in anyone’s face. if you’re bothered by people simply existing and feel bothered by who someone chooses to love, those are feelings you are bringing on yourself, not the other way around i can’t even acknowledge your “heterosexual white male rights” defense at this point. when you can show me cis-het white males who have been systemically and historically marginalized, terrorized, and murdered for their identity then we can talk. the fact that you’re even using white men as an defense for bigotry is laughable. you are doing exactly what they want u to do
How can trans people reproduce ? It cannot happen No issue with it but a month for gay pride? Come on, that’s just too long.
to answer this genuinely, the gender identity is a spectrum! for an example, someone trans masc can still choose to retain functioning ovaries and a uterus. someone who is nonbinary can also do the same also, someone can be trans AND still be straight, as in be trans and still be attracted to the opposite gender. this is one of the many reasons why the “lgbt/anti-child” rhetoric simply does not make sense. just because families may LOOK different from what we may have been told is right, they’re not any less valid. as for your pride month comment, what should we do to balance it then? should we have a straight men’s month? what month works for you, how about october? then can queer people have rights?
How do heterosexual white men not have any rights? This is the stupidest shit I’ve seen this week and I just watched the video where Terrence Howard said math is wrong and 1*1=2.
Respect Terrence lmaoo
If turn out to be gay they no longer my problem
Ghana is not the place for you. Seek asylum in your trumu country of choice.
After that you will invest in stocks from "trumu" countries and not Ghana
who is bi female here ? You wanna have your p**** eaten ? 🙈. FYI….i am a lady
I like fufu but I know some people don’t like fufu. Omg! They’re different! They have different preferences than me! The horror!
I'm a heterosexual guy. I have a friend who's bi and prefers guys. I also have a cousin in Japan who's gay.