Yeah that’s the thing about LIV, it won’t get you into the majors on their own. But if you are truly a world class player, there are still pathways into the Majors. The Opens have qualifying, Masters gives out invites, and the PGA can also send invites to players that they want.
Also once they get into one Major, a win or good finish can get them into more. So it’s not like LIV golfers are banned from playing in them, they just have to work harder.
Not even work harder they just have to work. LIV is the lap of luxury compared to the PGA Tour, people like Gooch just want their cake and to eat it too.
My money is on the OWGR getting fixed, even if it takes a while. Btw I'm not defending his comments in any way but anyone who watched his play in the last year would have to say it's been impressive.
In LIV, yes. I won’t deny he’s played pretty good there. In the majors, he posted a good showing at Augusta, then proceeded to miss the cut at the rest of the events. Seems like it’s a case where LIV suits his game better than a major environment, especially when taking his other major results into account.
Exactly. And all Gooch’s bitching and moaning and not even attempting to qualify is something that all the heads of those majors will take notice on. Same way the green coats took notice on Niemann going out and grabbing it by the horns by winning all these events. Specifically non-LIV events with pretty strong fields across the world
Jesus Christ dude lol the media. Going on shows, podcasts, making comments to reporters/journalists..do I need to define what the media is? It’s more than Facebook lol
i 2nd that this right here ....its why i cant respect the decisions of whingy selfish bastards ....basically the choice was a shitload of cash or majors and they made their choice ..same as wanting to sue the pga for not letting them play pga events ...wasnt that the whole point of leaving so you didnt have to play pga events and got mega money anyway ...greed is disgusting most especially for those already set for life
If the OWGR and majors are that important to LIV, why don't the players insist that LIV change their format a bit to comply? Larger fields so they can increase the number of players subject to relegation, add a cut, etc.? The Committee told them its not 54 holes, its their limited field, no-cut format that is essentially a closed shop. So those things should be relatively easy to change.
Damn right. Also went out of his way to win an Australian major by a handful of strokes. Went out and made statement wins and Augusta took notice. That’s the thing about the green coats, they do know good golf… can do whatever tf they want 😂
If Gooch’s true motive was just to get his name out there and on people’s minds, it worked. I’ve seen multiple posts about his statement on this sub every day since it was publicized.
His motive should be getting out there and shooting low scores on the fucking course. He seems to be focused on the wrong type of attention. Jaco has been pounding the pavement and rattling off wire-to-wire wins all over the world against strong fields. THAT is the type of attention that gets notice from the heads of the major championships. Probably the exact reason Fred Ridley decided to send him an invite and Gooch hasn’t gotten one yet.
What exactly has Gooch done outside of LIV events with 54 man fields?
💩- “Withdrew” from the Alfred Dunhill Links Champ. after opening with back-to-back 71s (aka took ball and went home crying)
💩- Missed Cut at Liverpool with a 74-75
💩- Missed Cut at Oak Hill with a 76-74
💩-DNS at LACC (his most annoying attention grabber) Instead of getting out there and doing what he needed to qualify, (like Sergio Garcia, Sebastian Munoz, Joaquin Niemann, Carlos Ortiz, Dave Puig), he instead decided to stay home and cry to any and every media outlet, bobblehead podcast host, and social media platform that would listen.
majority of the LIV golfers are whiners. they knew the reprecussions before they left but still want to complain about not being treated right. sooo sads
I mean yes, but to get to where they can get world rankings they’re going to have to “whine” about it. It’ll happen eventually whether we like it or not. And the louder they are about it the quicker that happens
Unless LIV changes its format, they will not get OWGR points. The committee told them the issues - no cut, limited fields, and a closed shop. The players should put pressure on Norman to revise the LIV format to comply.
I think it’s a given that it changes honestly. Even not considering the points, it’s going to expand. The format won’t work with expansion and they’re not stupid over there.
Arrogant yes. But not stupid
The only issue is how much of their business model is built around these teams. Norman (foolishly) believes these teams have value - which is how LIV will recoup its investment. I just don't see it. Very few people care about LIV and nobody cares about any of these teams. So they have no real marketability. If you scrap the team format you can easily expand the fields.
Very few people in the US care about LIV. I feel like their overall market will do ok. The teams definitely have no value. Golf just isn’t and never will be one of those games, but I also don’t think LIV cares that much to recoup anytime soon.
Trying to create team franchises like the NFL or NBA except golf is not a real team sport and therefore will never have the value of a real team. From a money standpoint I get it, from a will it work standpoint… the odds are against them
Niemann left way later though, the writing was more on the wall by then of how OWGR was considering LIV.
Gooch was first wave and supposedly didn’t even know the Tour was going to ban him despite them telegraphing and threatening it for months lol.
Instead of complaining Niemann went out there and earned his way. I respect that. Gooch just wants things handed to him. That’s an entitled mindset. I hope things keep kickin his entitled ass so
What do you expect from the guy who accidentally joined LIV? When he entered the first London event he had no idea he was about to be suspended even though it was widely known. The guy is not very sharp. Back then him and Homa were really close friends. Since then Max has catapulted up the rankings and is now hanging out with JT. I wonder if Max and Talor talk at all.
Gooch is not a world class player, nothing about him is "class". The dude did nothing on the PGA, missed the cut in 2 out of 3 majors he did play in (didnt qualify for one of them) and didnt make the top 10 in the major he didnt miss the cut at.
LIV does have top player, and their top players WILL play in Majors because they will make sure they qualify (Nieman is an incredible player and I am happy to see him going to the Masters).
Eh, I've hung around him a bit I've never had a bad interaction with him and he's always been very nice/friendly. I could see how he could give off that vibe but haven't experienced any of it personally, quite the opposite really.
Get your fingers ready to down vote. At the very least the majors should invite the LIV champ of the previous year to play. Why? Because it's a show of talent to do that and it puts a spotlight on LIV vs PGA players. The expectation for pro PGA fans is even a LIv champ won't play well at a major event since it's not a competitive field. Pro LIV fans will be cheering on their guy.
The results will speak for themselves.
The fans win because it creates some tension in the sporting event.
No one gives a rats ass about LIV and the dicks and has-bins playing it. The ratings a shit and they’re not drawing any crowds. No sponsors either because it’s a shit show. But you enjoy it 😂
You’re the one who got personal. Your post about the need to merge a great product with one no one cares about, showed just how dim witted you must be. That’s all.
I think Gooch is finding LIV to be extremely unfulfilling. You don't get to that point in golf without being competitive, and I am sure the top LIVgolfers are ambivalent about winning since they have already achieved some success in the PGA. Sure Gooch is set for life financially, but he'll never play a comparatively meaningful round of golf again.
Never had an opinion on Gooch but he sure serms like a spoiled little brat who thinks winning a 3 round 48 man field event means he gets into all the Majors.
Pretty stupid.
But even if Gooch played in and won every event on the Asian Tour he still wouldn't have enough ranking points to make The Masters. Niemann got an exemption for being the top South American player. You can't make the top 50 in the rankings without playing on the PGA Tour.
I always found it funny Gooch tried to put an asterisk on the Masters if Rory wins Because half of last year's major champs are on LIV including the masters champion
I’m not even opposed to LIV at all but these whining bitches knew what they were getting themselves into. Gooch and Niemann need to stop crying, no one feels sorry for them.
He isnt though, during his "big year" on LIV where he won multiple live events, he missed the cut in 2 out of the 3 majors he played in. Gooch is not good, he was garbage when he did play on the PGA.
The Masters is usually the weakest field of the majors due to all the past champions, and smaller size. The PGA Championship is the strongest due to zero amateurs.
Good point about the past champions. I'd take elite AMs in an event over most PGA Club Pros. Most PGA Club pros don't have enough free time to work on their game.
What the fuck do these guys not understand about a 3 day tournament not being the same as a 4 day tournament? If it were then the PGA tour should let the leader after 54 holes make the decision to call it a tourney and take the title.
When a PGA tour tournament gets shortened to 54 holes the players still get ranking points though. Although the 54 hole format is just one of many issues so this is by no means an argument that LIV should currently get ranking points.
The fact that they are using that as a reason to argue for getting ranking points speaks volumes. They will never get ranking points because their separate isn't't equal. Their whole "but but we have some of the best players in the world" means jack shit.
Its not the 54 holes. Its the limited field, no cut format these events are. Essentially LIV members want to be guaranteed points for showing up regardless of how they played. There is no relegation for LIV (unless you think 3 out of 54 moves the needle). The PGAT members actually have to earn a spot on their tour.
Its not the 54 holes. Its the limited field, no cut format these events are. Essentially LIV members want to be guaranteed points for showing up regardless of how they played.
What do you mean he couldn’t make it on the PGAT? He had his card for years and won a PGAT event. He was top 50 in the world when he left.
This narrative is bizarre to me, just do a quick Google search and you’ll see it’s not true.
I get being bitter about the rankings thing that prevented him from playing in the us open last year? However if he would’ve just stayed on the pga he’d probably be in all 4 majors this year. You made the choice, now live with it. Enjoy your cash.
If playing in the majors is really important to you then turn down LIV’s offer or take it knowing you have to do what Niemann did. Ridiculous for either one of them to complain about it, they knew that was part of the situation when they took the Saudi cash.
Yeah that’s the thing about LIV, it won’t get you into the majors on their own. But if you are truly a world class player, there are still pathways into the Majors. The Opens have qualifying, Masters gives out invites, and the PGA can also send invites to players that they want. Also once they get into one Major, a win or good finish can get them into more. So it’s not like LIV golfers are banned from playing in them, they just have to work harder.
Not even work harder they just have to work. LIV is the lap of luxury compared to the PGA Tour, people like Gooch just want their cake and to eat it too.
Yeah after 3 wins plus the individual 2023 championship (4 tot), obviously has no game, right? Poor guy, he must be crying all the way to the bank.
It does appear he is crying about majors yes
My money is on the OWGR getting fixed, even if it takes a while. Btw I'm not defending his comments in any way but anyone who watched his play in the last year would have to say it's been impressive.
In LIV, yes. I won’t deny he’s played pretty good there. In the majors, he posted a good showing at Augusta, then proceeded to miss the cut at the rest of the events. Seems like it’s a case where LIV suits his game better than a major environment, especially when taking his other major results into account.
Rory McIlroy didn't play in those LIV events...asterisk*
LIV events are not majors lol
Exactly. And all Gooch’s bitching and moaning and not even attempting to qualify is something that all the heads of those majors will take notice on. Same way the green coats took notice on Niemann going out and grabbing it by the horns by winning all these events. Specifically non-LIV events with pretty strong fields across the world
Did he go out and tweet this or something?
He’s been in the media about it since the middle of last season
Like tweeting/posting on social media?
Jesus Christ dude lol the media. Going on shows, podcasts, making comments to reporters/journalists..do I need to define what the media is? It’s more than Facebook lol
Ohh so he’s answering questions being asked not whining…got it
This right here.
i 2nd that this right here ....its why i cant respect the decisions of whingy selfish bastards ....basically the choice was a shitload of cash or majors and they made their choice ..same as wanting to sue the pga for not letting them play pga events ...wasnt that the whole point of leaving so you didnt have to play pga events and got mega money anyway ...greed is disgusting most especially for those already set for life
If the OWGR and majors are that important to LIV, why don't the players insist that LIV change their format a bit to comply? Larger fields so they can increase the number of players subject to relegation, add a cut, etc.? The Committee told them its not 54 holes, its their limited field, no-cut format that is essentially a closed shop. So those things should be relatively easy to change.
Joaquin deserves the invite no doubt. He played his way into last years US Open too if I recall.
Damn right. Also went out of his way to win an Australian major by a handful of strokes. Went out and made statement wins and Augusta took notice. That’s the thing about the green coats, they do know good golf… can do whatever tf they want 😂
Well, I never knew who this guy was until this. Now I know he’s a whiny douche, but I do know him
You’re the worst pirate I’ve ever heard of!
But you have heard of me 🤣
If Gooch’s true motive was just to get his name out there and on people’s minds, it worked. I’ve seen multiple posts about his statement on this sub every day since it was publicized.
Yeah he’s a weird Trump dickrider too he’s probably just trying to take a page out of Colby Covingtons book
His motive should be getting out there and shooting low scores on the fucking course. He seems to be focused on the wrong type of attention. Jaco has been pounding the pavement and rattling off wire-to-wire wins all over the world against strong fields. THAT is the type of attention that gets notice from the heads of the major championships. Probably the exact reason Fred Ridley decided to send him an invite and Gooch hasn’t gotten one yet. What exactly has Gooch done outside of LIV events with 54 man fields? 💩- “Withdrew” from the Alfred Dunhill Links Champ. after opening with back-to-back 71s (aka took ball and went home crying) 💩- Missed Cut at Liverpool with a 74-75 💩- Missed Cut at Oak Hill with a 76-74 💩-DNS at LACC (his most annoying attention grabber) Instead of getting out there and doing what he needed to qualify, (like Sergio Garcia, Sebastian Munoz, Joaquin Niemann, Carlos Ortiz, Dave Puig), he instead decided to stay home and cry to any and every media outlet, bobblehead podcast host, and social media platform that would listen.
They hit a little ball around a field. Do
Too bad since Gooch wasn't in them they don't count, right?
It's sad that so many great golf events of the past will have an asterisk on them now. No Gooch means no legitimacy.
How many would Nicklaus have won if Gooch was playing at that time?
18
19
20
Definitely got those asterisks! Sorry, Joaquin…
Joaquin is going to charge hard at Augusta… he’s got so much talent and isn’t a dickhead
Hard work always deserves respect when for a reasonable cause
He whined about world rankings points after winning today lol. Love his game, but he’s a huge whiner too
majority of the LIV golfers are whiners. they knew the reprecussions before they left but still want to complain about not being treated right. sooo sads
I mean yes, but to get to where they can get world rankings they’re going to have to “whine” about it. It’ll happen eventually whether we like it or not. And the louder they are about it the quicker that happens
Unless LIV changes its format, they will not get OWGR points. The committee told them the issues - no cut, limited fields, and a closed shop. The players should put pressure on Norman to revise the LIV format to comply.
I think it’s a given that it changes honestly. Even not considering the points, it’s going to expand. The format won’t work with expansion and they’re not stupid over there. Arrogant yes. But not stupid
The only issue is how much of their business model is built around these teams. Norman (foolishly) believes these teams have value - which is how LIV will recoup its investment. I just don't see it. Very few people care about LIV and nobody cares about any of these teams. So they have no real marketability. If you scrap the team format you can easily expand the fields.
Very few people in the US care about LIV. I feel like their overall market will do ok. The teams definitely have no value. Golf just isn’t and never will be one of those games, but I also don’t think LIV cares that much to recoup anytime soon.
Trying to create team franchises like the NFL or NBA except golf is not a real team sport and therefore will never have the value of a real team. From a money standpoint I get it, from a will it work standpoint… the odds are against them
In fairness, Norman did promise them OWGR points and it never happened.
In fairness, they should have never believed anything Norman said
False promises, a tale old as time itself haha
So they can whine to the prince and Norman then.
Niemann left way later though, the writing was more on the wall by then of how OWGR was considering LIV. Gooch was first wave and supposedly didn’t even know the Tour was going to ban him despite them telegraphing and threatening it for months lol.
Anyone still taking Greg Norman’s word at face value in 2021 deserves anything that comes to them lol and needs to fire their agent
Yeah it is a shame he went to LIV I saw him as a rising star.
Why does everyone care about this dude so much?
Instead of complaining Niemann went out there and earned his way. I respect that. Gooch just wants things handed to him. That’s an entitled mindset. I hope things keep kickin his entitled ass so
The problem is with Liv money Gooch thinks he’s a success and people care what he says. He’s still a mid tier tour pro at best.
He'd be another mule playing events like the Mexico Open if he was back in the PGAT.
He was top 50 in the world when he left, let’s not kid ourselves. He probably wouldn’t be a star, but he wouldn’t be a Malnati or Knapp.
Seriously enough with this guy already...
I'm so glad Joaquinn played his way in he's a very entertaining talent
He’s perfect for Augusta too…
I don't feel too bad for Gooch. Taint and Grundle didn't get a Masters bid either.
Imagine actually winning against your competition.
That’s a Rory quote without being attributed.
We’re still talking about this?
/r/golf karma speed run: “_____ so I bought a new ____” “Does anybody even watch LIV?” “Blah blah blah Gooch is bad”
What do you expect from the guy who accidentally joined LIV? When he entered the first London event he had no idea he was about to be suspended even though it was widely known. The guy is not very sharp. Back then him and Homa were really close friends. Since then Max has catapulted up the rankings and is now hanging out with JT. I wonder if Max and Talor talk at all.
He also compared the atmosphere of a LIV event with a few thousand fans to a Ryder Cup. DJ straight up laughed in his face.
He should have bitch slapped him for that lol
Gooch is not a world class player, nothing about him is "class". The dude did nothing on the PGA, missed the cut in 2 out of 3 majors he did play in (didnt qualify for one of them) and didnt make the top 10 in the major he didnt miss the cut at. LIV does have top player, and their top players WILL play in Majors because they will make sure they qualify (Nieman is an incredible player and I am happy to see him going to the Masters).
It’s well known in the Oklahoma golf world that this kid is a douche and has been since junior golf. The rest of the world just knows it now.
Eh, I've hung around him a bit I've never had a bad interaction with him and he's always been very nice/friendly. I could see how he could give off that vibe but haven't experienced any of it personally, quite the opposite really.
You mean to tell me that an anonymous internet poster with the pen name “SillyBims” would tell a lie for fake internet points!?
Get your fingers ready to down vote. At the very least the majors should invite the LIV champ of the previous year to play. Why? Because it's a show of talent to do that and it puts a spotlight on LIV vs PGA players. The expectation for pro PGA fans is even a LIv champ won't play well at a major event since it's not a competitive field. Pro LIV fans will be cheering on their guy. The results will speak for themselves. The fans win because it creates some tension in the sporting event.
No one gives a rats ass about LIV and the dicks and has-bins playing it. The ratings a shit and they’re not drawing any crowds. No sponsors either because it’s a shit show. But you enjoy it 😂
Cognitive dissonance is strong.
Is that all you got? LIV fanboy or Saudi bot with no life who’s probably never broken 100.
So, you're just trolling for an argument. Sheesh. Now I just feel bad for you. Good luck dude.
You’re the one who got personal. Your post about the need to merge a great product with one no one cares about, showed just how dim witted you must be. That’s all.
See there it is again, nothing personal, just cognitive dissonance.
Just invite Gooch so we can clown him please
Let’s put him on the Ryder cup team as a joke and then just let the New York fans loose on him until he needs self esteem therapy
I think Gooch is finding LIV to be extremely unfulfilling. You don't get to that point in golf without being competitive, and I am sure the top LIVgolfers are ambivalent about winning since they have already achieved some success in the PGA. Sure Gooch is set for life financially, but he'll never play a comparatively meaningful round of golf again.
Never had an opinion on Gooch but he sure serms like a spoiled little brat who thinks winning a 3 round 48 man field event means he gets into all the Majors. Pretty stupid.
But even if Gooch played in and won every event on the Asian Tour he still wouldn't have enough ranking points to make The Masters. Niemann got an exemption for being the top South American player. You can't make the top 50 in the rankings without playing on the PGA Tour.
Sure you can, it's just harder and you would need to play and travel a lot more. Also the new OWGR multi-win bonus makes it a bit easier.
Brooks has been a LIV member from the get go as is ranked 30th in OWGR. So it can be done - you just have to play well in the majors.
Which in turn also means you have to be in them to "play well in them"
Gooch played in 3 majors last year and had to MCs and a T34.
Really makes me reevaluate how good tiger was in the 2000s. Gooch’s absence paints a dark cloud over the big cats stretch.
I always found it funny Gooch tried to put an asterisk on the Masters if Rory wins Because half of last year's major champs are on LIV including the masters champion
Who the hell is this guy? He looks like Fred Durst’s son. And that aint good
Goochie goochie goochie
Imagine being on a team called Range Goats.
Who cares what Gooch says or thinks. He is an idiot
I’m not even opposed to LIV at all but these whining bitches knew what they were getting themselves into. Gooch and Niemann need to stop crying, no one feels sorry for them.
Between Gooch and all the golf Instagram accounts hyping the shit out of Anthony Kim just to flop, it's been a rough week for LIV.
Taylor is a dick, but he is laughing all the way to the bank. But he deserves everything that is said about him. Taylor Gooch....wah, wah, wah 😫😫😫
Who?
He's still probably better than a 1/3 or 1/4th of the guys who will play in the majors. If you like diluted talent in events then yay I guess?
He isnt though, during his "big year" on LIV where he won multiple live events, he missed the cut in 2 out of the 3 majors he played in. Gooch is not good, he was garbage when he did play on the PGA.
He was top 50 in the OWGR when he left. This narrative that he was terrible is so weird to me.
Most of the fields at majors are diluted other than the Masters. Any pro can qualify for both Opens, and the PGA has 25 club pros in the field.
The Masters is usually the weakest field of the majors due to all the past champions, and smaller size. The PGA Championship is the strongest due to zero amateurs.
Good point about the past champions. I'd take elite AMs in an event over most PGA Club Pros. Most PGA Club pros don't have enough free time to work on their game.
This guy is living rent-free in so many people's heads. it's hilarious ..
It gives off major “Don’t put it in the paper that I was angry, I wasn’t angry” vibes with the endless “we don’t care about Gooch/LIV” posts.
What the fuck do these guys not understand about a 3 day tournament not being the same as a 4 day tournament? If it were then the PGA tour should let the leader after 54 holes make the decision to call it a tourney and take the title.
When a PGA tour tournament gets shortened to 54 holes the players still get ranking points though. Although the 54 hole format is just one of many issues so this is by no means an argument that LIV should currently get ranking points.
The fact that they are using that as a reason to argue for getting ranking points speaks volumes. They will never get ranking points because their separate isn't't equal. Their whole "but but we have some of the best players in the world" means jack shit.
Its not the 54 holes. Its the limited field, no cut format these events are. Essentially LIV members want to be guaranteed points for showing up regardless of how they played. There is no relegation for LIV (unless you think 3 out of 54 moves the needle). The PGAT members actually have to earn a spot on their tour.
Its not the 54 holes. Its the limited field, no cut format these events are. Essentially LIV members want to be guaranteed points for showing up regardless of how they played.
They can ask Khashoggi’s widow if any of them deserve exemptions.
I’m so over Gooch 🙄
LIV Golf is where careers go to die!!
I don’t respect any of the liv players. Earn your pay the players before them. What’s the incentive to try?
Obviously Niemann has proved theories from guys like you wrong lol it definitely applies to some, but not all
Ok. Cool my opinion is they aren’t in it for the game.
Cool opinion
I don't know who either of these guys are, as soon as I see LIV I'm out.
Who’s this tailor douche guy and why’s he crying so much?
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What do you mean he couldn’t make it on the PGAT? He had his card for years and won a PGAT event. He was top 50 in the world when he left. This narrative is bizarre to me, just do a quick Google search and you’ll see it’s not true.
At least the rest of the Hong Kong field know they played in a legit tournament
I get being bitter about the rankings thing that prevented him from playing in the us open last year? However if he would’ve just stayed on the pga he’d probably be in all 4 majors this year. You made the choice, now live with it. Enjoy your cash.
Joaquin has done plenty of whining himself, which I have 0 sympathy for, but at least he did something about it.
If playing in the majors is really important to you then turn down LIV’s offer or take it knowing you have to do what Niemann did. Ridiculous for either one of them to complain about it, they knew that was part of the situation when they took the Saudi cash.