See there’s your problem. You gotta leave Dallas for the suburbs. I still can’t afford that shit (besides Arcsis) but there’s a lot more affordable ones than 30k
No I am active duty and that was the initiation. Monthly dues were actually pretty dang reasonable at $420 a month, but it was $88,000 for an E6 under 35 years of age.
Theres one near me that is $150-200k iirc, $50k of which is due up front to join a waiting list that has a 6-8 year wait time. Halfway through you pay another ~$30k to become a social member, then at the end pay the rest and have access to the golf course lol
Ha! No, just made some good financial choices and got lucky a couple of times. Took opportunities when I could.
I came from a pretty low-middle background and borrowed a lot to go to college and invest in myself. I don't take it for granted though that things could be a lot different for me.
Same thing applies to every person you meet.
There’s a great book called ‘The Psychology of Money: Timeless Lessons on Wealth, Greed, and Happiness’.
The premise is basically that your story is actually quite normal. Bonus point is that apparently, since you are aware that luck played a factor in your wealth appreciation you are probably more likely to stay wealthy and not take unnecessary risks in the pursuit of more.
It’s worth a read if you haven’t. It’s not long either.
Wouldn’t be available to you because it was the presence of the scoreboard and grandstands that “obstructed him” that allowed him to claim TIO relief. Never mind that he couldn’t hit either of those for $1B with 100 tries, since his ball was literally in the gutter
Edit: now that I say that, I’m not sure why this doesn’t fall under “There is no relief when playing the ball as it lies would be unreasonable because of something other than the TIO”
Love the part when he's setting up to his approach shot to the green and a photographer pulls two little kids behind a tree to take cover (around 4:15 in that video). Rocks everywhere.
[This is the one I found and sent my brother it starts right on his 2nd shot after tee shot landed him here](https://twitter.com/Golfbet/status/1776729449997742201?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Instead of playing his 3rd back toward the fairway he intentionally hit it at the club house to get a free drop closer to the hole, this is an egregious use of the rules
The problem isn't using the rules to your advantage. It's the rules allowing for the free drop because the clubhouse is not OB.
He also had no shot back into the fairway because he was next to a massive drain.
Second shot from under a tree seems to have hit the tree and veered far left away from the hole, putting him in a stupid position that prompted a Hail Mary loophole exploitation shot.
You get relief from the clubhouse as an immovable obstruction, not as a TIO. After he takes relief from the clubhouse, if a TIO is in the way, he then gets relief from the TIO.
The confusion wasn’t that the clubhouse was TIO, hopefully the clubhouse isn’t temporary. it was explained it was the scoreboard / grandstand that let him back to the fairway. The part that was glossed over on the broadcast is how he was allowed off the roof
I guess when stupid rules cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars you may feel like they owe you one. Maybe he’ll Phil Mickelson double tap putt next round.
Phil’s indiscretion: https://youtu.be/fR9iA6GXUrM?si=K60ZEdWmFspfmnLy
Ya the course that year was actually egregious. Everyone was complaining that it was impossible and it truly was. After this day they made it way easier. He took a two stroke penalty for that shot. It would have rolled out about 20-30 more feet. That was Phil’s ‘fuck you’ hissy fit to the US Open for making the course so extreme. Tbh, I think everyone who was watching agrees that it probably at least saved him a stroke. He would have missed the next one and possibly done the same thing again. If he didn’t get it back on the shelf it would have came back down to wherever he was putting/chipping from.
For context, brookes koepka won with a score of +1 and he only got 2.1MM.
Edit: 2-stroke penalty, not 1. Here’s an article explaining the situation: https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2018/6/16/17471068/phil-mickelson-putts-moving-ball
Freaking hit it into a gutter and got a free drop, can't blame Jordan one bit because he's playing within the rules, pretty sure he even consulted a rules official before hitting his 3rd shot over there
He had a large concrete drain right in front of him, so he couldn't hit it forwards (or right because he is a right hander) so he could only hit it left, and get the TIO relief
Not towards the fairway, as he is right handed and the drain was in front of him, he would have had to kneel down on it to even reach the ball. May as well lob it onto the roof and get free relief much closer to the green
I was watching it, he could’ve figured it out to go the other direction or take his 1 stroke penalty out of a red staked area. In any other course you can’t hit it 50 yards farther away from the fairway to get a free drop in that scenario is all I’m saying.
I tend to think someone would take issue if I intentionally launched one at the clubhouse at almost any course I’ve played at… maybe it’s different standard cus they’re pros but idk. I’d never feel comfortable pulling that move in any tourney I’ve ever played in, regardless of the stakes.
First two shots sucked and left him with a terrible view of the hole. He sent his next shot onto the roof of the club house because it isn't ob so gets a free drop. Gets on green after the drop.
Well thats kinda bush league lol. I’m sure he will catch some shit from someone even if he wasn’t technically cheating. And maybe the course will add some white stakes after this weekend
Everyone who is complaining about his use of the rules to his advantage is just pissed they never thought outside of the box this way. Rules are there to help you.
I got no issue with using the rules to your advantage, especially in a sport like golf where so much can go wrong at any given moment. I think more people have an issue with the rule itself here. It just feels antithetical to how most other courses/tourneys would be played.
We aren't talking about him hitting into grandstand that was placed there just for the tournament like many other pros do.
If anyone is at fault it's the tournament committee for not making the club house, etc. OB.
They defined it that way, or as juat an Immovable obstruction in general giving him relief. It wasn't marked by the tournament officials as OB, so he was entitled to relief.
That doesn't mean in your next round to pelt the clubhouse to get free relief.
It is lost. He didn't identify it, so it is lost, but a ball lost in an immovable obstruction gets relief. It just needs to be known or virtually certain the ball is in or on the obstruction. See Rule 16.1(e).
If I had told you only 1 player in the field hit a ball in the gutters of the clubhouse, with NO other context, I’m thinking 9 out of 10 of us would have thought it was Spieth.
You Craig Stadler, penalty for a towel under his knee people, have
A problem w LIV? What a joke. Speiths disregard for the game is embarrassing.
Yeah, I know….. he followed the rules.
Aim at the building knowing you’ll get a drop.
F Brandel Chambley and you.
This is my home course. There is a conspicuous amount of non-OB on both the oaks and canyons courses. Never thought of exploiting it this way.
$40k initiation fee? Are you a neurosurgeon? TIL a $40k initiation fee is relatively low.
He’s the ass man 
“You got that right!” - Kramer
CCs in Dallas start at $30k and upwards of $200k
Here I am hoping to hit the cc for $4k a year in town someday.
There's some serious doll hairs in the oil business.
You mean the "oil business"?
See there’s your problem. You gotta leave Dallas for the suburbs. I still can’t afford that shit (besides Arcsis) but there’s a lot more affordable ones than 30k
Oh man I inquired about the navy/army country club near me just for shits and giggles. $80k. Fucking…. What.
It’s like $5k if you’re active military. Also, it was like $30k like 10 years ago. Used to be a great deal since they have 54 holes but $80k is absurd
No I am active duty and that was the initiation. Monthly dues were actually pretty dang reasonable at $420 a month, but it was $88,000 for an E6 under 35 years of age.
So, just over a years salary, including BAH and other allowances. Good deal!
It’s bc you’re dirty enlisted like me. It’s 1 or 2 months of base pay for officers to join
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Twin lakes extended their military discount to Monday through Thursday just fyi
My local club is rumored to be a $250k initiation. Hard to find info about it of course. I asked a member once and he told me that was about right.
Theres one near me that is $150-200k iirc, $50k of which is due up front to join a waiting list that has a 6-8 year wait time. Halfway through you pay another ~$30k to become a social member, then at the end pay the rest and have access to the golf course lol
Inaccessibility to golf courses is what's gonna kill this sport
$200k initiation fees aren't the problem, it's $60 minimum to play a muni (depending where you live)
Had two courses already be sold off to real estate developers
91K as of a few weeks ago when I inquired
A year?
*initiation
Ha! No, just made some good financial choices and got lucky a couple of times. Took opportunities when I could. I came from a pretty low-middle background and borrowed a lot to go to college and invest in myself. I don't take it for granted though that things could be a lot different for me. Same thing applies to every person you meet.
There’s a great book called ‘The Psychology of Money: Timeless Lessons on Wealth, Greed, and Happiness’. The premise is basically that your story is actually quite normal. Bonus point is that apparently, since you are aware that luck played a factor in your wealth appreciation you are probably more likely to stay wealthy and not take unnecessary risks in the pursuit of more. It’s worth a read if you haven’t. It’s not long either.
Then add, "the millionaire next door," as reinforcement.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Congrats, man. Great to hear
Our initiation fee is $225,000. Desert Mountain in Scottsdale. But you get access to several A+ courses.
Better get access to free room and board for that price too
And happy ending massages for life
Are you adopting
lol. 😂
400k here, but it's one of the tops in the area it's all relative... some areas are just more poor than others
I’d take Scottsdale at $225,000 and a half dozen courses. Lots of tour players and Ping live here for a reason
$40k initiation fee is a bargain
$40k is not much at all for a half decent cc. Mine is >$50, was less than half when I joined 15 yrs ago.
Dropped 125k in Austin. Courses in Texas are nuts.
That area of SA is sneaky wealthy
Wouldn’t be available to you because it was the presence of the scoreboard and grandstands that “obstructed him” that allowed him to claim TIO relief. Never mind that he couldn’t hit either of those for $1B with 100 tries, since his ball was literally in the gutter Edit: now that I say that, I’m not sure why this doesn’t fall under “There is no relief when playing the ball as it lies would be unreasonable because of something other than the TIO”
Excellent point! Although these stands have been up for about a month and a half so maybe next year.
Ya, but you don’t have grandstands/scoreboard to get line of site relief from. You would be hitting your 4th shot from Greg’s office, lol.
Hole 3 on the Oaks is the closest I’ve ever been to a HIO. Literally went to sleep the night before dreading it. 😂
Is this why when I turned the tv on, they showed the final group had been sitting almost 30 minutes before t’n off?
Well, Jordan took a double and Bahtia birdied, so the golf gods had their justice.
Yes, I believe his shenanigans caused a back up of 2-3 groups waiting on the tee
Probably only took him 45 minutes to play that hole
And another 25 mins of rules clarification and jargon
Ever since the British Open where it took him 30 minutes to play one shot I’ve never liked him. He is the master of the 1 hour hole.
Same here, while Matt Kuchar had to patiently wait sitting on a towel in the middle of the fairway. Should've at least let him hit his shot.
Was probably 2 groups waiting on 18 tee at some point.
Actually 3. Haha.
Bet he walked to and from the green for every shot lol
Including the tee shot
Just Spieth things
Haha dude he was 4 over until that ace. He’s miraculously 5 under here until he three putts to go to -3. Just incredible
"Put me down for a bogey"
snowman it is lol.
I'll just take a double par.
Is there a video of the hole? Can find one with a google search.
Video: https://www.pgatour.com/video/competition/6350430234112/jordan-spieth-hits-ball-onto-roof-cards-double-bogey-at-valero I literally cried laughing
The drone shot of the gutter ball killed me. 😂
Whoever the commentator was said something along the lines of “Jordan Spieth is the reason we have these drone shots” and I about fucking died
/r/praisethecameraman
😂😂
I honestly thought the screen grab was fake before I saw the video. Holy shit the gutter.
Oh man, why didn’t he just hit back to fairway on his second shot and avoid all of that mess?
He probably believed he could gain more yards the other way and have a shot at the green still
Love the part when he's setting up to his approach shot to the green and a photographer pulls two little kids behind a tree to take cover (around 4:15 in that video). Rocks everywhere.
This is so awesome, sent this to everyone
Wow
This video should be at the top as well. It just gets even more crazy as it goes on.
[This is the one I found and sent my brother it starts right on his 2nd shot after tee shot landed him here](https://twitter.com/Golfbet/status/1776729449997742201?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Did he actually par out lmao
Double bogey
Nah left it short on par putt I walked away after that don't know what he actually scored
https://www.reddit.com/r/golf/s/Z6rQLZV8gn The weird parts of it
Except for that last shot, we don't do that.
Ok, dumb question, how did he identify his ball up there?
The NBC sports drone tracked it and saw it land there so that was proof it was in the gutter
He doesn't have to identify it. See Rule 16(1)e. It just needs to be known or virtually certain that the ball is in or on the immovable obstruction.
No, not a dumb question. Get your skinny ass up there and ID your ball
Instead of playing his 3rd back toward the fairway he intentionally hit it at the club house to get a free drop closer to the hole, this is an egregious use of the rules
The problem isn't using the rules to your advantage. It's the rules allowing for the free drop because the clubhouse is not OB. He also had no shot back into the fairway because he was next to a massive drain.
What prompted his second shot left instead of back into the fairway?
He was underneath a tree https://twitter.com/Golfbet/status/1776729449997742201
Second shot from under a tree seems to have hit the tree and veered far left away from the hole, putting him in a stupid position that prompted a Hail Mary loophole exploitation shot.
That is absolutely mind-blowing.
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You get relief from the clubhouse as an immovable obstruction, not as a TIO. After he takes relief from the clubhouse, if a TIO is in the way, he then gets relief from the TIO.
The confusion wasn’t that the clubhouse was TIO, hopefully the clubhouse isn’t temporary. it was explained it was the scoreboard / grandstand that let him back to the fairway. The part that was glossed over on the broadcast is how he was allowed off the roof
So yet another case of "I don't know the actual situation, but the rules are stupid!!!"
I guess when stupid rules cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars you may feel like they owe you one. Maybe he’ll Phil Mickelson double tap putt next round. Phil’s indiscretion: https://youtu.be/fR9iA6GXUrM?si=K60ZEdWmFspfmnLy
Did he do that to prevent it rolling down a hill on the green or something?
Ya the course that year was actually egregious. Everyone was complaining that it was impossible and it truly was. After this day they made it way easier. He took a two stroke penalty for that shot. It would have rolled out about 20-30 more feet. That was Phil’s ‘fuck you’ hissy fit to the US Open for making the course so extreme. Tbh, I think everyone who was watching agrees that it probably at least saved him a stroke. He would have missed the next one and possibly done the same thing again. If he didn’t get it back on the shelf it would have came back down to wherever he was putting/chipping from. For context, brookes koepka won with a score of +1 and he only got 2.1MM. Edit: 2-stroke penalty, not 1. Here’s an article explaining the situation: https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2018/6/16/17471068/phil-mickelson-putts-moving-ball
He should have been DQ'ed for it, though.
Curtis Strange is a big dork.
Freaking hit it into a gutter and got a free drop, can't blame Jordan one bit because he's playing within the rules, pretty sure he even consulted a rules official before hitting his 3rd shot over there
He definitely did, I was there and he spent a LONG time talking to the rules official.
Nothing in the books that says a dog can’t play basketball.
Yes if this was me I'd hit my ball toward the clubhouse and never find it again and have to drop back in hazard for 5th shot
He had a large concrete drain right in front of him, so he couldn't hit it forwards (or right because he is a right hander) so he could only hit it left, and get the TIO relief
Could have chipped it away from the drain
Not towards the fairway, as he is right handed and the drain was in front of him, he would have had to kneel down on it to even reach the ball. May as well lob it onto the roof and get free relief much closer to the green
I was watching it, he could’ve figured it out to go the other direction or take his 1 stroke penalty out of a red staked area. In any other course you can’t hit it 50 yards farther away from the fairway to get a free drop in that scenario is all I’m saying.
Then they should adjust the rules. I see no issue here.
For real, let’s be mad at a player for playing within the rules and thinking out of the box
I tend to think someone would take issue if I intentionally launched one at the clubhouse at almost any course I’ve played at… maybe it’s different standard cus they’re pros but idk. I’d never feel comfortable pulling that move in any tourney I’ve ever played in, regardless of the stakes.
Well, yeah…you touched on the main point…they’re pros.
It looked like his drop from the penalty area would have been back in the trees he had just played from.
I would do the same but non-intentionally…
> this is an egregious use of the rules This is scrub talk.
https://preview.redd.it/h0fzfstp4ysc1.png?width=674&format=png&auto=webp&s=1d7be9fdc2ce0bc89fa72bc9efc2bad6439b8532
have played this course many times and have more or less played my way up to the green via the creek the same way. Godspeed Jordan
Yeah boys put me down for a 4
He’s gotta get some shit in the clubhouse for this
Can I get some explanation? I don’t have cable tv (so I don’t really watch golf, just follow it a bit) The photo makes no sense
First two shots sucked and left him with a terrible view of the hole. He sent his next shot onto the roof of the club house because it isn't ob so gets a free drop. Gets on green after the drop.
What other types of situations are there for someone to get a free drop?
Nice try speith
Well thats kinda bush league lol. I’m sure he will catch some shit from someone even if he wasn’t technically cheating. And maybe the course will add some white stakes after this weekend
He was blocked by stands so there's no chance they'd put internal OB around the clubhouse.
Either way it's nice to see the pros are human 😂
https://www.pgatour.com/video/competition/6350430234112/jordan-spieth-hits-ball-onto-roof-cards-double-bogey-at-valero
One of us
Parkoured version
If I had a ball on the roof my player partners wouldn't be giving me a free drop. If this was my 18th I'd be lucky if they gave me an 8 tbh
What the fuck? Lol do they just not have OB on tour?
They don't have anything that might remotely upset the players.
Absolute mad man
Is this Frodo and Sam’s journey?
So Greller is Sam. “No Michael, it is my burden to carry (the roof)”
“What if it goes over the clubhouse?” 🤣
This is me on the virtual golf at my range
Spiet being Spieth
Video: https://www.pgatour.com/video/competition/6350430234112/jordan-spieth-hits-ball-onto-roof-cards-double-bogey-at-valero
lmao at the end: "What the fuck Jordan, play the fuckin hole"
Everyone who is complaining about his use of the rules to his advantage is just pissed they never thought outside of the box this way. Rules are there to help you.
I got no issue with using the rules to your advantage, especially in a sport like golf where so much can go wrong at any given moment. I think more people have an issue with the rule itself here. It just feels antithetical to how most other courses/tourneys would be played.
We aren't talking about him hitting into grandstand that was placed there just for the tournament like many other pros do. If anyone is at fault it's the tournament committee for not making the club house, etc. OB.
Spieth was clever, the rules are dumb
So the clubhouse is a Temporary Immovable Obstruction?
They defined it that way, or as juat an Immovable obstruction in general giving him relief. It wasn't marked by the tournament officials as OB, so he was entitled to relief. That doesn't mean in your next round to pelt the clubhouse to get free relief.
Haha, clever.
That shit cracked me up 🤣. One of us!
Except most of us would be walking away with a double-digit score instead of just a double.
Jordan is so washed.
Remember next time. Aim for the clubhouse you get a 40 yard drop lol
[is speith going to jail?](https://www.reddit.com/r/golf/s/rvOwX3BRyh)
What did he get on this
Double
By god, I laughed so hard I cried when his ball hit that roof and went into the gutter
Everyone knows that’s the easier line.
I dont understand how that isnt a lost ball
It is lost. He didn't identify it, so it is lost, but a ball lost in an immovable obstruction gets relief. It just needs to be known or virtually certain the ball is in or on the obstruction. See Rule 16.1(e).
He’s getting it out of his system before Augusta
What was his thought process on his second shot here??
If I had told you only 1 player in the field hit a ball in the gutters of the clubhouse, with NO other context, I’m thinking 9 out of 10 of us would have thought it was Spieth.
Why did they say he was sitting 4 on the green? He was laying 3 in the gutter…
Serious question for anyone who watched this live. Why didn’t he take a drop outside the penalty area at the point of entry?
This cost the same number of strokes and got him much closer to the hole. Whether he drops or does this, he's hitting 4 on his next shot.
I would have never guessed that was the line
I’m beginning to think Spieth isn’t that great
Planned... wanted a sandwich.
I miss golfing in 2010.
What’s wrong with this golden boy
Tried using the rules to his advantage on the drop, and still doubled. Haha
Par
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Spieth is the Zach Edey of golf just abusing the rules
You Craig Stadler, penalty for a towel under his knee people, have A problem w LIV? What a joke. Speiths disregard for the game is embarrassing. Yeah, I know….. he followed the rules. Aim at the building knowing you’ll get a drop. F Brandel Chambley and you.