> When The Exchange refreshes, items will not be "going away," removing the chance to get them—they will still be available to purchase with Spartan Points through the customization menus (much like bundles once they have rotated out of the Shop).
This is **very good** - thank you for this.
Limiting the amount of SP you can earn is still not great but this is much better than what was described yesterday. Please allow earning SP from playing matches, like Match XP and Career Rank.
It's all slowly turning back into the Reach credits system, thank god. A combo of earning armor through that, plus some bonus ones like achievements and special challenges, sounds nice
Hope the next title follows along with this from the start and they do away with the challenge system, as each update in Infinite had slowly stripped the system away as much as possible without entirely removing it
For real. Currently you need to play every day for multiple weeks to get any of the new items which is objectively worse than getting a new weekly every week (but you can be sure all that will now be in shop bundles)
Sounds like a gradual unvaulting to keep people interested. The coatings put in the exchange should be made cross core though (all coatings are already cross core in the files).
Would be neat if it unvaults everything right at the get-go and then Exchange is maybe a “discount pricing” spot. So it rotates in, gets a 20% discount, and then out of Exchange it’s a normal price. Still gives a reason for the rotational thing, but lets EVERYTHING be available ALL the time
At least it looks like they're not FOMO'ing the Exchange, items will still be available from the customization menu once they are rotated out like items from the shop. It looks like a long grind for the highest-point items, but at least they won't potentially disappear for months if you didn't get it in time.
It's still weird that we have to wait 4-6 weeks just for old stuff to rotate in. Rotating in *new* items every 4-6 weeks is fine, but old stuff should be there from the get-go.
Also, SP gains need to be raised.
>CUSTOMIZATION: Feast your eyes on the Banished-themed armor coming with a free new Operation Pass and further customization updates.
Did they specify during the stream what those customization updates would be? Any theories?
all i can think of is making some more coatings CC, or maybe something like allowing multiple attachments on Gungnir/Stormfall, which they said they knew players wanted a while ago. if it was anything bigger than that i feel they would've mentioned it in the stream
Only the single, daily “play one match” challenge and the Weekly Ultimate will give SP
The rest of the weekly challenges (except the ultimate) will give BP XP
So theoretically yeah no more daily BP progression after the challenges
Yes, but that game alone was half a BP level, or a full level with an XP boost.
Now with boosts also presumably being replaced my supply will start to wind down, and it's just gonna take longer overall to progress a BP that's now mostly just Spartan points.
Didn't see any boosts in the preview, so my guess is that they're taking the criticism of too much filler content like boosts and emblems and are just replacing them with Spartan points.
Well, your current boosts will stay, you just probably won't be able to get new ones without paying for them in the shop.
At least before I was basically never gonna actually run out of the 90 out so boosts I still had since what I used was replenished in the pass. The SPs will let you unlock stuff in the Exchange, but it looks like it'll still be a grind to get enough to unlock items, along with a battle pass that takes longer to complete if you run out of boosts and don't get the daily 500XP anymore.
It worked out well for me before, I could play for a couple hours a few days a week for a few weeks to get through challenges with a boost active and do the pass, and then have time for other games waiting for the next operation. I've got plenty of boosts to burn through still, but it'll still take longer now and I probably won't put more time into it with other games I want to finish. And I'll run out eventually, definitely not paying for boosts.
Nice to see them slowing down BP progression even more /s. The idea of the exchange is great but the execution is brutal. No XP from the daily challenge anymore, way overpriced items, slow and minimal SP earn rate, old items won’t be available until they rotate in. I’m sure all these choices were made to try to increase player engagement and make people come back but really they just make the game feel like even more of a chore and drive people away.
Up the weekly ultimate amount and let me earn like a 100 points at least per game 343. the artificial limits you put on progression is extremely tiring
Always the fuckin' monkey's paw dude.
"We're finally letting you earn currency to buy the items you want instead of doing weekly time-limited exclusives! Buuuuuuuuut....we're taking away some of your XP gains to replace them with the new currency. And it'll take multiple weeks to earn one of the items you would've got from a single weekly before."
We shouldn’t lose XP rewards for Daily and Ultimate Challenges. Just give us both XP and the new Spartan Points for completing those.
I guess we were progressing Operation Passes too quickly for the monetization bean counters to be happy. We lose a huge chunk of weekly challenge XP and boosts are gone from the pass, so everyone progresses slower and they hope we’ll buy level boosts.
Quite the opposite actually. Who do you think governs the financial decisions of a subsidiary company like 343? MS sets an expectation and the leadership at 343 doesn't have but so much wiggle room when meeting the expectation. That's why we've been plagued by monkeys paw decisions all this time.
IT is Microsoft that gives them money but let's not forget how hands off they've been with their studios. Something Activision and Blizzard specifically had come out and said recently. So since that is the case that to me tells me that the majority of the blame should fall on the companies themselves and in this case 343
Irrilevant: everything currently in the shop, BPs included, are not relevant to the exchange.
The exchange is only about previous (to s5) events, weekly rewards and twitch drops you may have missed.
If you are playing the game since d1 and didn't miss a single thing, the only thing that will interest you are the vaulted/never released items.
Never released cosmetics are cosmetics that never come in the game in any way and now are getting in through this system (don't hype to much, most of then are emblems).
My hot take is that honestly I'm glad there's a grind for some of these. It's nice to have visual indication that I play the game a lot. Something to show for it outside of shitty stats lol. At the end of the day this is still free shit that is being added relatively late in the game's life cycle. This isn't a change to appeal to newcomers - that ship has sailed. This is for the fans that are currently still playing this game all the time. For me, I enjoy wearing a cosmetic knowing that it took effort to get, not always just for its looks.
Some of y’all literally complaining about playing the damn game to earn credits. Y’all be the same damn people complaining if the rewards were something crazy like 10k headshots or the type of challenges Infinite had when it released. Can’t please everyone. Thanks for bringing back older items from rewards.
okay it's nice to see the items will still be available after they're rotated out, but I'm still wondering about the daily challenge. is it not giving xp anymore? or will there be two? because they do say "when you complete your first daily challenge" instead of "when you complete your daily challenge"
Can I convert my spartan credits into spartan points?
I have like 400 left over bc I bought some odd amount last year without considering how much of a scam this stuff is. Now I have some leftover that I can't use to actually buy anything.
Keeping things available after they rotate out of the storefront is great, but the rate at which we earn these points seems pretty bad. Especially considering they're totally replacing the weekly ultimate rewards. Sure, sometimes the reward was just a lame emblem or something that nobody wanted anyway, but other times you'd see stuff like a helmet or a vehicle skin or some other armor piece. It seems will take multiple weeks to earn enough points just to get one of those things, now.
Daily Challenge only giving this new points is a mistake. There are days that I can't play to much so I just boot the game for a game or too and claim that 500 xp. With that gone I'll play a lot less.
You'd think in a blog going over the rewards featured in the Exchange they would clarify if the various Coatings, as well as various Armor Pieces, are cross-core, which from the Community Livestream they did not appear to be, which that itself is already infuriating and, assuming this really is how it will be, the backlash come April 30th will be brutal.
One of the biggest franchises in all of gaming reduced to this... it's fucking sad! I genuinely hope everyone over at The Coalition is taking notes for what *not* to do with Gears 6 >!(and the rumored MCC-like Gears of War collection)!<.
A single armor piece unvaulted, less items in the operation pass, and no more weekly rewards.
The Exchange does not seem equivalent at all when SP is completely timegated and 90% of items are still vaulted.
It's not time gated - they said that items will be available to purchase from the customizations menus after they leave the exchange, so you can find them in Armor Hall or Weapon Bench then press F or X buy them. It's just like with Shop Items but they'll be for Spartan Points instead of credits.
Edit - I misunderstood what time gated means lol
You can only earn SP from a daily challenge, weekly challenge, and the Operation. Once you do those you cannot earn more SP until the challenges refresh.
It's time gated.
I just want my SAP/CDO’s.
Knowing that I paid for the Void Ultra armour coating bundle mixed with the white weapon skin pack just last week, and next week these might be unlockable by free currency.. isn’t frustrating. At all. In the slightest.
> When The Exchange refreshes, items will not be "going away," removing the chance to get them—they will still be available to purchase with Spartan Points through the customization menus (much like bundles once they have rotated out of the Shop). This is **very good** - thank you for this. Limiting the amount of SP you can earn is still not great but this is much better than what was described yesterday. Please allow earning SP from playing matches, like Match XP and Career Rank.
Yeah, this is great! I've always hated that in MCC I have to check every week if there is an item I missed. This solves that problem.
There you go 343, that's how you stop fomo bs.
WOOOOOO this is a fucking win for sure
Why won't they do this for the MCC too? 😭
god i wish we could get this for mcc because mirage always comes into the shop when i cant play
It's all slowly turning back into the Reach credits system, thank god. A combo of earning armor through that, plus some bonus ones like achievements and special challenges, sounds nice Hope the next title follows along with this from the start and they do away with the challenge system, as each update in Infinite had slowly stripped the system away as much as possible without entirely removing it
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did they say we could purchase SP?
Ultimate reward SP should be more like 5000 imo
For real. Currently you need to play every day for multiple weeks to get any of the new items which is objectively worse than getting a new weekly every week (but you can be sure all that will now be in shop bundles)
So is this going to unvault everything? With such low Spartan Points gain rates that's the least I would expect.
Sounds like a gradual unvaulting to keep people interested. The coatings put in the exchange should be made cross core though (all coatings are already cross core in the files).
Would be neat if it unvaults everything right at the get-go and then Exchange is maybe a “discount pricing” spot. So it rotates in, gets a 20% discount, and then out of Exchange it’s a normal price. Still gives a reason for the rotational thing, but lets EVERYTHING be available ALL the time
At least it looks like they're not FOMO'ing the Exchange, items will still be available from the customization menu once they are rotated out like items from the shop. It looks like a long grind for the highest-point items, but at least they won't potentially disappear for months if you didn't get it in time.
can i please earn an indefinite amount of Spartan Points from playing, and particularly playing well? and fix the cheating 🥺
It's still weird that we have to wait 4-6 weeks just for old stuff to rotate in. Rotating in *new* items every 4-6 weeks is fine, but old stuff should be there from the get-go. Also, SP gains need to be raised.
>CUSTOMIZATION: Feast your eyes on the Banished-themed armor coming with a free new Operation Pass and further customization updates. Did they specify during the stream what those customization updates would be? Any theories?
Likely referring to the expected slew of new shop items, as opposed to additions to cross-core. I would *love* to be wrong here, though.
all i can think of is making some more coatings CC, or maybe something like allowing multiple attachments on Gungnir/Stormfall, which they said they knew players wanted a while ago. if it was anything bigger than that i feel they would've mentioned it in the stream
RATHER than XP? I think this is not good.
Only the single, daily “play one match” challenge and the Weekly Ultimate will give SP The rest of the weekly challenges (except the ultimate) will give BP XP So theoretically yeah no more daily BP progression after the challenges
Looks like it’s only for your first game of the day though.
Yes, but that game alone was half a BP level, or a full level with an XP boost. Now with boosts also presumably being replaced my supply will start to wind down, and it's just gonna take longer overall to progress a BP that's now mostly just Spartan points.
Wait what, will they replace my boosts?
Didn't see any boosts in the preview, so my guess is that they're taking the criticism of too much filler content like boosts and emblems and are just replacing them with Spartan points.
If they switch out my boosts for SP, I think I'm done man. I'll never purchase a single SP ever, and my boosts at least sped up my old BP'es.
Well, your current boosts will stay, you just probably won't be able to get new ones without paying for them in the shop. At least before I was basically never gonna actually run out of the 90 out so boosts I still had since what I used was replenished in the pass. The SPs will let you unlock stuff in the Exchange, but it looks like it'll still be a grind to get enough to unlock items, along with a battle pass that takes longer to complete if you run out of boosts and don't get the daily 500XP anymore. It worked out well for me before, I could play for a couple hours a few days a week for a few weeks to get through challenges with a boost active and do the pass, and then have time for other games waiting for the next operation. I've got plenty of boosts to burn through still, but it'll still take longer now and I probably won't put more time into it with other games I want to finish. And I'll run out eventually, definitely not paying for boosts.
The exp you get from the challenges right now goes o ly on the BP progression, is not bad
Nice to see them slowing down BP progression even more /s. The idea of the exchange is great but the execution is brutal. No XP from the daily challenge anymore, way overpriced items, slow and minimal SP earn rate, old items won’t be available until they rotate in. I’m sure all these choices were made to try to increase player engagement and make people come back but really they just make the game feel like even more of a chore and drive people away.
Yeah slowing down BP progression would’ve been fantastic if it didn’t ALSO mean slowing down SP income.
Up the weekly ultimate amount and let me earn like a 100 points at least per game 343. the artificial limits you put on progression is extremely tiring
Always the fuckin' monkey's paw dude. "We're finally letting you earn currency to buy the items you want instead of doing weekly time-limited exclusives! Buuuuuuuuut....we're taking away some of your XP gains to replace them with the new currency. And it'll take multiple weeks to earn one of the items you would've got from a single weekly before."
Fuck your Spartan Points, the grind is unreal.
We shouldn’t lose XP rewards for Daily and Ultimate Challenges. Just give us both XP and the new Spartan Points for completing those. I guess we were progressing Operation Passes too quickly for the monetization bean counters to be happy. We lose a huge chunk of weekly challenge XP and boosts are gone from the pass, so everyone progresses slower and they hope we’ll buy level boosts.
I don't want the next halo to have any of this cosmetic shop bs, just give us what we had in the older games
Until the industry improves, Microsoft won't be passing up on the opportunity to bleed wallets dry
I hate Microsoft
We can blame Microsoft sure but this is solely 343
Quite the opposite actually. Who do you think governs the financial decisions of a subsidiary company like 343? MS sets an expectation and the leadership at 343 doesn't have but so much wiggle room when meeting the expectation. That's why we've been plagued by monkeys paw decisions all this time.
IT is Microsoft that gives them money but let's not forget how hands off they've been with their studios. Something Activision and Blizzard specifically had come out and said recently. So since that is the case that to me tells me that the majority of the blame should fall on the companies themselves and in this case 343
Are previously completed BP's / Operations irrelevant when it comes to SP's or do they have some sort of retroactivity?
Irrilevant: everything currently in the shop, BPs included, are not relevant to the exchange. The exchange is only about previous (to s5) events, weekly rewards and twitch drops you may have missed. If you are playing the game since d1 and didn't miss a single thing, the only thing that will interest you are the vaulted/never released items. Never released cosmetics are cosmetics that never come in the game in any way and now are getting in through this system (don't hype to much, most of then are emblems).
My hot take is that honestly I'm glad there's a grind for some of these. It's nice to have visual indication that I play the game a lot. Something to show for it outside of shitty stats lol. At the end of the day this is still free shit that is being added relatively late in the game's life cycle. This isn't a change to appeal to newcomers - that ship has sailed. This is for the fans that are currently still playing this game all the time. For me, I enjoy wearing a cosmetic knowing that it took effort to get, not always just for its looks.
Some of y’all literally complaining about playing the damn game to earn credits. Y’all be the same damn people complaining if the rewards were something crazy like 10k headshots or the type of challenges Infinite had when it released. Can’t please everyone. Thanks for bringing back older items from rewards.
okay it's nice to see the items will still be available after they're rotated out, but I'm still wondering about the daily challenge. is it not giving xp anymore? or will there be two? because they do say "when you complete your first daily challenge" instead of "when you complete your daily challenge"
They said daily challenge won't give XP anymore
Oh wow, fuck this game lol
If they either increase the amount earned, or decrease the prices slightly this would be perfect. Pretty good starting point ig
Every halo game with armor customization except 3 has had some form of store to get new armor.
Halo 4 didn’t.
Can I convert my spartan credits into spartan points? I have like 400 left over bc I bought some odd amount last year without considering how much of a scam this stuff is. Now I have some leftover that I can't use to actually buy anything.
Keeping things available after they rotate out of the storefront is great, but the rate at which we earn these points seems pretty bad. Especially considering they're totally replacing the weekly ultimate rewards. Sure, sometimes the reward was just a lame emblem or something that nobody wanted anyway, but other times you'd see stuff like a helmet or a vehicle skin or some other armor piece. It seems will take multiple weeks to earn enough points just to get one of those things, now.
Daily Challenge only giving this new points is a mistake. There are days that I can't play to much so I just boot the game for a game or too and claim that 500 xp. With that gone I'll play a lot less.
You'd think in a blog going over the rewards featured in the Exchange they would clarify if the various Coatings, as well as various Armor Pieces, are cross-core, which from the Community Livestream they did not appear to be, which that itself is already infuriating and, assuming this really is how it will be, the backlash come April 30th will be brutal. One of the biggest franchises in all of gaming reduced to this... it's fucking sad! I genuinely hope everyone over at The Coalition is taking notes for what *not* to do with Gears 6 >!(and the rumored MCC-like Gears of War collection)!<.
"Premium content—such as items sold in the Shop or included in a premium Battle Pass reward track—will not be offered in The Exchange." *Flips table*
Ok but PUT HAZOP IN IT YOU COWARDS
Maybe the can have rank ups give Spartan points since the only thing they've ever really given are emblems and that Master Chief kit at max rank.
A single armor piece unvaulted, less items in the operation pass, and no more weekly rewards. The Exchange does not seem equivalent at all when SP is completely timegated and 90% of items are still vaulted.
It's not time gated - they said that items will be available to purchase from the customizations menus after they leave the exchange, so you can find them in Armor Hall or Weapon Bench then press F or X buy them. It's just like with Shop Items but they'll be for Spartan Points instead of credits. Edit - I misunderstood what time gated means lol
You can only earn SP from a daily challenge, weekly challenge, and the Operation. Once you do those you cannot earn more SP until the challenges refresh. It's time gated.
My bad, you're right. I misunderstood your first comment I thought you meant the rewards themselves were limited time.
I just want my SAP/CDO’s. Knowing that I paid for the Void Ultra armour coating bundle mixed with the white weapon skin pack just last week, and next week these might be unlockable by free currency.. isn’t frustrating. At all. In the slightest.
I just wish we got new weapons and vehicles…
yeah this ain’t getting me back into infinite at all