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No-Tie1386

This is really bad right


revstan

Yes. Also, no spell school to tie it to any of the new cards.


esdr4gon

Neither DK nor Shaman wants any of these Shaman cards


Saint1121

Thought the same thing - DK basically got no new cards from this set. Eliza, Corpsicle, and Freebooter MIGHT get teched into Rainbow depending on the meta, but everything else is so bad.


esdr4gon

Oh, I disagree about DK. It's actually the class I'm most excited for so far. I think the location is nuts !! (it can hit face). Dreadhound is basically 4/4 stats for 2 mana, i see it as a second Mining casualties - first part has rush, so sometimes its even better, sometimes it's worse. Eliza is blood, frost which means she is very easy to discover. I would assume you get to play 2 of her on average per game. That means your HP, all three parts of Dreadhound, all the Ghoul's Night ghouls will have 3 attack (they go face). I watched Bunnyhoppor's review and was very glad to hear he had the same take, so I'm probably right about this :D


Saint1121

Except that in most cases you'll likely have replaced your HP with Headless Horseman before it's relevant. As I already said, Eliza will get slotted in but it's not as if she's a swing turn. She makes it annoying to deal with your minions for a while, but there aren't really that many decks that care about that. Handbuff Pally will still drop bigger minions, Warrior and Mage will both still have no issues clearing them. Eliza is "strong" in a void where your opponent isn't playing cards. Decks are literally winning the game on turns 4-6 and we're supposed to think it matters that on turn 4 I can give all my minions +1 attack? Eliza will be most valuable in the control match up - except that the control match up is Priest and Warrior. Warrior just doesn't give a fuck, and Priest will steal/copy the card and get more value out of it because of the copies than DK will get.


esdr4gon

We'll see.... there is also still nerfs coming up "Decks are literally winning the game on turns 4-6... " By that logic out of 5 classes revealed there is 0 new decks playable with 1-2 new cards per class being slotted in old decks. Blizzard doesn't want this because nobody wants to play the same decks for 6 months and this is one of the main reasons players quit, so I'm pretty sure they'll do something about it. I'm not expecting DK to be a Tier 1 deck but a solid Tier 2 is where I like my decks at


Cauchemar89

Nah fam, I can't wait to get my double [[Origami Dragon]].


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Direnaar

When are they gonna make it "discover a minion to transform into"? I think we're okay with shaman having a bit of control over transforms.


frantruck

Make this discover or cheaper, too much variance for the cost


SammiJS

If it's cheaper it leads to crazy bs highrolls too often for its cost. It's poorly designed imo.


asian-zinggg

I can't wait to evolve my 7 drop into TWO Deepminer Branns. THE VALUE


ToxicAdamm

I think designers were getting tired of getting beat by Burn Shaman (X) months ago when they were making these cards and made sure Shaman couldn't discover their way to lethals anymore.


coyoteTale

Maybe, but this doesn't get in the way of Nature Burst Shaman, cuz it's not a Nature spell


King_Offa

But my clothes are organically sourced!


gdlocke

Terrible.


ReplyHappy

2 1/1s most of the time all the time


literally_a_brick

Why does every single new Shaman card feel likes it costs 1 mana too much?


ChorryPoyyeb

They just gave those cards overload early


kennypovv

Shaman sure got some cards this expansion https://preview.redd.it/vld2puzv9cad1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8ac2925fde5cdf4c63891879cf7bb2104f40edf


CivilerKobold

This is such a cute card :)


nyes_i_do

It’s simple, I first play my golden [[gruul]]. The next turn, I play [[matching outfits]] to summon not one, but TWO [blood of the ancient one]]s, followed by [[weasel tunneler]] and [[sen’jin shieldmasta]]. I now win the game as my opponent cannot keep up with the godly value


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DoubledOgre

Might have a use as an emergency silence to an enemy minion and you get a copy of whatever it turns into. Like blazing transformation on something with an ongoing effect/deathrattle in a pinch. Could also do some funny stuff with Conductivity.


porkchopsuitcase

Hmmm hood point on using on enemy, i think it should be cheaper tho. 3 mana? Seems like devs are overcosting some stuff and will probably buff it later?


tobsecret

Yeah this is the part people are missing at first glance. It looks potentially quite powerful. It's a pretty flexible version of conjurer's calling without twin spell. Really tricky to evaluate but I think this card def has potential.


Crawdaunt

when is the last time evolve worked? stop this shit already.


Sigmas_toes

How does this work with [[baroness vashj]]


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redistrashin

It should create 2 minions without affecting her.


KvxMavs

Holy shit Shaman got shafted. As someone who loves the class, my hype for the set kinda died a little today. Give me back totems over whatever the hell this archetype is...


Edge_lord_Arkham

All the power of mutate and molten reflections packed into one card!!!


SSL4fun

This would be bad at 3 but 4 with no spell school is downright unplayable Like I would just put an arcane tag or something, let them have SOMETHING


Nicolowrider

What happens if I yick this on a molten giant


fug-leddit

Turns into 2 molten giants


migrainium

This is underrated but impractical unless they print a high base cost mana cheat minion that can be played and targeted relatively early.


Lavender215

I’m ngl this seems like hot shit. Way too expensive for a pretty mid effect


Zealousideal_Log_529

This could day discover and even then it would just be decent. The fact it is random is so bad.


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Good bot


gforgolu

Slot machine meta.


anarky98

Same hat? Same hat!


oran12390

Evolve shaman is one of my favorite decks but it’s always been a pain to balance. It doesn’t have enough support right now so this feels like a waste of space.


Ecstatic-Buy-2907

Boggspine Knuckles died for this


Majsharan

Horrible most of the game breaking 5% of the tone. 2 rags for example


Waytogo33

Summoning evolved minions feels like it should be death knight Thrall themed. This would have been an okay card back then too.


Marth_Main

I'm going to make a compilation of cards that have absolutely no contextual flavor as a spell. Same shit happened to yugioh, instead casting lightning spells, traps, attacks by monsters, fireballs, etc. Its just situations. This is fucking stupid flavor how is this a spell you can cast actually yeah im gonna do a top 10 worst flavored cards every expansion going backwards


DrTobiCool

Me and the boys !


nate-developer

Since so much power has shifted from stats to battlecries these kind of on the board transforms and summons end up being not that powerful, or even more inconsistent when you have so many chances to hit a powerful battlecry under statted minion.  It's too bad because I've always really liked transform and evolution as mechanics, but these days you're almost more likely to end up with something weaker than you started with.


Egg_123_

What if Conjurer's Calling was terrible? Now we don't have to speculate!


OctaviusThe2nd

This certainly is a card


CirnoIzumi

its not resticted to friendly minions, so could be a decent tech card


Easy_Magician_925

Lotta shaman rng. What fun!


CASA4321

I mean in Endgame you get two 8 drops, so I´m sure it will really good in Arena. But in standard you just wanna do more in the Endgame. maybe as a discover option in a control deck if you wanna make a bit tempo against other control players.


Loaded_09

Shirt brothers!


francescomagn02

[[Big bad voodoo]] costed 3 and it was rastakhan's rumble how do we get this 6 years later


Iceygamingrulez

Could be 2 mana


AlexanderRodriguezII

Maybe playable at 2 mana


Truehero011

Play this on a four drop to get \[\[rocket hopper\]\]. Or use on a six drop to get one of many 7/7s for four mana. This is busted


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PBO180

this should be 2 mana


jsmeer93

This is one of those cards that’s only good if there’s an expensive minion with an easy mana cost reduction feature like Goldshire Knoll and other than the giants it seems like they’re doing less of those kinds of minions.