Thought the same thing - DK basically got no new cards from this set. Eliza, Corpsicle, and Freebooter MIGHT get teched into Rainbow depending on the meta, but everything else is so bad.
Oh, I disagree about DK. It's actually the class I'm most excited for so far. I think the location is nuts !! (it can hit face). Dreadhound is basically 4/4 stats for 2 mana, i see it as a second Mining casualties - first part has rush, so sometimes its even better, sometimes it's worse.
Eliza is blood, frost which means she is very easy to discover. I would assume you get to play 2 of her on average per game. That means your HP, all three parts of Dreadhound, all the Ghoul's Night ghouls will have 3 attack (they go face).
I watched Bunnyhoppor's review and was very glad to hear he had the same take, so I'm probably right about this :D
Except that in most cases you'll likely have replaced your HP with Headless Horseman before it's relevant. As I already said, Eliza will get slotted in but it's not as if she's a swing turn. She makes it annoying to deal with your minions for a while, but there aren't really that many decks that care about that. Handbuff Pally will still drop bigger minions, Warrior and Mage will both still have no issues clearing them.
Eliza is "strong" in a void where your opponent isn't playing cards. Decks are literally winning the game on turns 4-6 and we're supposed to think it matters that on turn 4 I can give all my minions +1 attack? Eliza will be most valuable in the control match up - except that the control match up is Priest and Warrior. Warrior just doesn't give a fuck, and Priest will steal/copy the card and get more value out of it because of the copies than DK will get.
We'll see.... there is also still nerfs coming up
"Decks are literally winning the game on turns 4-6... " By that logic out of 5 classes revealed there is 0 new decks playable with 1-2 new cards per class being slotted in old decks.
Blizzard doesn't want this because nobody wants to play the same decks for 6 months and this is one of the main reasons players quit, so I'm pretty sure they'll do something about it.
I'm not expecting DK to be a Tier 1 deck but a solid Tier 2 is where I like my decks at
I think designers were getting tired of getting beat by Burn Shaman (X) months ago when they were making these cards and made sure Shaman couldn't discover their way to lethals anymore.
Shaman sure got some cards this expansion
https://preview.redd.it/vld2puzv9cad1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8ac2925fde5cdf4c63891879cf7bb2104f40edf
It’s simple, I first play my golden [[gruul]]. The next turn, I play [[matching outfits]] to summon not one, but TWO [blood of the ancient one]]s, followed by [[weasel tunneler]] and [[sen’jin shieldmasta]].
I now win the game as my opponent cannot keep up with the godly value
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Might have a use as an emergency silence to an enemy minion and you get a copy of whatever it turns into. Like blazing transformation on something with an ongoing effect/deathrattle in a pinch. Could also do some funny stuff with Conductivity.
Hmmm hood point on using on enemy, i think it should be cheaper tho. 3 mana? Seems like devs are overcosting some stuff and will probably buff it later?
Yeah this is the part people are missing at first glance. It looks potentially quite powerful. It's a pretty flexible version of conjurer's calling without twin spell. Really tricky to evaluate but I think this card def has potential.
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Holy shit Shaman got shafted.
As someone who loves the class, my hype for the set kinda died a little today.
Give me back totems over whatever the hell this archetype is...
Evolve shaman is one of my favorite decks but it’s always been a pain to balance. It doesn’t have enough support right now so this feels like a waste of space.
I'm going to make a compilation of cards that have absolutely no contextual flavor as a spell. Same shit happened to yugioh, instead casting lightning spells, traps, attacks by monsters, fireballs, etc. Its just situations. This is fucking stupid flavor how is this a spell you can cast
actually yeah im gonna do a top 10 worst flavored cards every expansion going backwards
Since so much power has shifted from stats to battlecries these kind of on the board transforms and summons end up being not that powerful, or even more inconsistent when you have so many chances to hit a powerful battlecry under statted minion. It's too bad because I've always really liked transform and evolution as mechanics, but these days you're almost more likely to end up with something weaker than you started with.
I mean in Endgame you get two 8 drops, so I´m sure it will really good in Arena.
But in standard you just wanna do more in the Endgame. maybe as a discover option in a control deck if you wanna make a bit tempo against other control players.
This is one of those cards that’s only good if there’s an expensive minion with an easy mana cost reduction feature like Goldshire Knoll and other than the giants it seems like they’re doing less of those kinds of minions.
This is really bad right
Yes. Also, no spell school to tie it to any of the new cards.
Neither DK nor Shaman wants any of these Shaman cards
Thought the same thing - DK basically got no new cards from this set. Eliza, Corpsicle, and Freebooter MIGHT get teched into Rainbow depending on the meta, but everything else is so bad.
Oh, I disagree about DK. It's actually the class I'm most excited for so far. I think the location is nuts !! (it can hit face). Dreadhound is basically 4/4 stats for 2 mana, i see it as a second Mining casualties - first part has rush, so sometimes its even better, sometimes it's worse. Eliza is blood, frost which means she is very easy to discover. I would assume you get to play 2 of her on average per game. That means your HP, all three parts of Dreadhound, all the Ghoul's Night ghouls will have 3 attack (they go face). I watched Bunnyhoppor's review and was very glad to hear he had the same take, so I'm probably right about this :D
Except that in most cases you'll likely have replaced your HP with Headless Horseman before it's relevant. As I already said, Eliza will get slotted in but it's not as if she's a swing turn. She makes it annoying to deal with your minions for a while, but there aren't really that many decks that care about that. Handbuff Pally will still drop bigger minions, Warrior and Mage will both still have no issues clearing them. Eliza is "strong" in a void where your opponent isn't playing cards. Decks are literally winning the game on turns 4-6 and we're supposed to think it matters that on turn 4 I can give all my minions +1 attack? Eliza will be most valuable in the control match up - except that the control match up is Priest and Warrior. Warrior just doesn't give a fuck, and Priest will steal/copy the card and get more value out of it because of the copies than DK will get.
We'll see.... there is also still nerfs coming up "Decks are literally winning the game on turns 4-6... " By that logic out of 5 classes revealed there is 0 new decks playable with 1-2 new cards per class being slotted in old decks. Blizzard doesn't want this because nobody wants to play the same decks for 6 months and this is one of the main reasons players quit, so I'm pretty sure they'll do something about it. I'm not expecting DK to be a Tier 1 deck but a solid Tier 2 is where I like my decks at
Nah fam, I can't wait to get my double [[Origami Dragon]].
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When are they gonna make it "discover a minion to transform into"? I think we're okay with shaman having a bit of control over transforms.
Make this discover or cheaper, too much variance for the cost
If it's cheaper it leads to crazy bs highrolls too often for its cost. It's poorly designed imo.
I can't wait to evolve my 7 drop into TWO Deepminer Branns. THE VALUE
I think designers were getting tired of getting beat by Burn Shaman (X) months ago when they were making these cards and made sure Shaman couldn't discover their way to lethals anymore.
Maybe, but this doesn't get in the way of Nature Burst Shaman, cuz it's not a Nature spell
But my clothes are organically sourced!
Terrible.
2 1/1s most of the time all the time
Why does every single new Shaman card feel likes it costs 1 mana too much?
They just gave those cards overload early
Shaman sure got some cards this expansion https://preview.redd.it/vld2puzv9cad1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8ac2925fde5cdf4c63891879cf7bb2104f40edf
This is such a cute card :)
It’s simple, I first play my golden [[gruul]]. The next turn, I play [[matching outfits]] to summon not one, but TWO [blood of the ancient one]]s, followed by [[weasel tunneler]] and [[sen’jin shieldmasta]]. I now win the game as my opponent cannot keep up with the godly value
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Might have a use as an emergency silence to an enemy minion and you get a copy of whatever it turns into. Like blazing transformation on something with an ongoing effect/deathrattle in a pinch. Could also do some funny stuff with Conductivity.
Hmmm hood point on using on enemy, i think it should be cheaper tho. 3 mana? Seems like devs are overcosting some stuff and will probably buff it later?
Yeah this is the part people are missing at first glance. It looks potentially quite powerful. It's a pretty flexible version of conjurer's calling without twin spell. Really tricky to evaluate but I think this card def has potential.
when is the last time evolve worked? stop this shit already.
How does this work with [[baroness vashj]]
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It should create 2 minions without affecting her.
Holy shit Shaman got shafted. As someone who loves the class, my hype for the set kinda died a little today. Give me back totems over whatever the hell this archetype is...
All the power of mutate and molten reflections packed into one card!!!
This would be bad at 3 but 4 with no spell school is downright unplayable Like I would just put an arcane tag or something, let them have SOMETHING
What happens if I yick this on a molten giant
Turns into 2 molten giants
This is underrated but impractical unless they print a high base cost mana cheat minion that can be played and targeted relatively early.
I’m ngl this seems like hot shit. Way too expensive for a pretty mid effect
This could day discover and even then it would just be decent. The fact it is random is so bad.
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Slot machine meta.
Same hat? Same hat!
Evolve shaman is one of my favorite decks but it’s always been a pain to balance. It doesn’t have enough support right now so this feels like a waste of space.
Boggspine Knuckles died for this
Horrible most of the game breaking 5% of the tone. 2 rags for example
Summoning evolved minions feels like it should be death knight Thrall themed. This would have been an okay card back then too.
I'm going to make a compilation of cards that have absolutely no contextual flavor as a spell. Same shit happened to yugioh, instead casting lightning spells, traps, attacks by monsters, fireballs, etc. Its just situations. This is fucking stupid flavor how is this a spell you can cast actually yeah im gonna do a top 10 worst flavored cards every expansion going backwards
Me and the boys !
Since so much power has shifted from stats to battlecries these kind of on the board transforms and summons end up being not that powerful, or even more inconsistent when you have so many chances to hit a powerful battlecry under statted minion. It's too bad because I've always really liked transform and evolution as mechanics, but these days you're almost more likely to end up with something weaker than you started with.
What if Conjurer's Calling was terrible? Now we don't have to speculate!
This certainly is a card
its not resticted to friendly minions, so could be a decent tech card
Lotta shaman rng. What fun!
I mean in Endgame you get two 8 drops, so I´m sure it will really good in Arena. But in standard you just wanna do more in the Endgame. maybe as a discover option in a control deck if you wanna make a bit tempo against other control players.
Shirt brothers!
[[Big bad voodoo]] costed 3 and it was rastakhan's rumble how do we get this 6 years later
Could be 2 mana
Maybe playable at 2 mana
Play this on a four drop to get \[\[rocket hopper\]\]. Or use on a six drop to get one of many 7/7s for four mana. This is busted
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this should be 2 mana
This is one of those cards that’s only good if there’s an expensive minion with an easy mana cost reduction feature like Goldshire Knoll and other than the giants it seems like they’re doing less of those kinds of minions.