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capreolhawks

We usually talk about Gretzky when talking about records, but Bossy having five 60 goals seasons out of 10 total seasons is crazy. Especially considering his back issues in the last couple of seasons.


randyboozer

Or to put it another way, every season in his short career was 50 goals. Even his last he was on pace.


podunk19

Retired at 30. He and Lemieux are two people I wish had the longevity Gretzky had. Bossy may have hit 1000 goals. Lemieux? Maybe even more.


allthefishinthelake

Or if Gretzky didn’t have the injury issues too especially after the Suter hit


MNgineer_

Plus, Gretzky is missing like 100 points because he played in that other league for his first pro year.


Istobri

The WHA in 1978-79. He played 8 games with the Indianapolis Racers (RIP), and 72 with the Oilers. Between the two teams, he scored 46 goals and 64 assists for 110 points. As an 18-year-old. Want to know something wild (pardon the pun as a Minnesota fan)? In his first NHL season with the Oilers (1979-80), Gretzky scored 51 goals and 86 assists for 137 points, tying Marcel Dionne for the league points lead. It's still the highest point total for a first-year player in NHL history. You'd think Gretz would win the Art Ross AND Calder Trophies, right? Wrong. Gretzky scored 51 goals, but Dionne scored 53, so they gave him the Art Ross. Plus, given that the year before he had played in the WHA, he wasn't classified as a "rookie," so he was ineligible for the Calder. Ray Bourque won it instead. He did win the first of eight straight Hart Trophies, though. Unreal.


jet8493

That was also his first of **thirteen straight** years leading the league in assists, and the following year would be the first of **eleven straight** years over 100 assists Like, I realize this is stuff we already knew, and that anyone can look up whenever, but every time I see it I just can’t fathom how it happened


twas_now

Gretzky had ***163 assists in a single season*** – he averaged just over 2 per game. He could have scored zero goals that season, and still would have ended up with a higher-scoring season than anyone ever, except Lemieux. And he still would have won the Art Ross that year, too. Absurd.


UncleIrohsPimpHand

That's why they used to split his goals and assists into two players in Fantasy Hockey back in the day.


flagstaff946

When life can't imitate art because the art is too cartoony.


twas_now

He wouldn't have been eligible to play in the NHL that season anyway. He was only 17 when the season started.


jokinghazard

In an alternate universe, Mario had no leukemia, a healthy back, 1,000+ goals and 2,500+ points.


PaddyMayonaise

To this day he is the NHL’s all time leader in goals per game (see my longer comment elsewhere in this thread for more fun bossy facts)


Parallel-Quality

Yet he only led the league in goals twice during those ten seasons.


CaptainCanusa

> We usually talk about Gretzky when talking about records, but Bossy having five 60 goals seasons out of 10 total seasons is crazy. For real. I honestly think he might have the strongest argument for "best goal scorer ever" after Gretzky.


PierreMcGuiresHair

Pretty bananas when you frame it like this


UniformRaspberry2

He’s also the sixth to achieve the feat by his age-26 season.


PierreMcGuiresHair

Stop I am being assaulted by a deluge of bananas


theguyishere16

Want more bananas? Matthews has never had a 50-goal season. He has two 60-goal seasons then his next highest is 47.


PierreMcGuiresHair

There's a tribe of chimpanzees banging on my door asking for a cut of these bananas


BMoleman

https://youtu.be/iFalZ7mNoV0?si=qAZbZdTAAMUx3YgE


Skiffy10

lol he’s had a bunch where he was prob on pace for 50 ish but didn’t cuz of injuries or the covid season so a little misleading


LowHangingLight

I just showed up to this guy's place and he's dead. The chimps ate all the bananas and his face.


PM_ME_UR_JUMBONIUM

Dewie, that can't be right, can you put dad on the phone


Capable_Swordfish701

Cats ate her face.


windsostrange

There was a pandemic season (and w injuries?) where he was on pace for over 60 if he'd played 82 This is his normal


DeX_Mod

how is never actually scoring 50-59 for whatever reason misleading?


Ok-Spinach69

Gwen Stefani approves! It's bananas! B A N A N A S!


DylanFallis

he also had 41 goals in 52 games in the covid season, that easily woulda been a 50 goal season if not 3rd 60 goal season if it was a full 82


ooMEAToo

I beg to differ, Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more then an hour ago.


another_plebeian

Gretzky probably had 5


UniformRaspberry2

He did indeed.


mseg09

And then he decided he was bored with goal-scoring


PSChris33

Gary Suter made that decision for him, unfortunately. Fuck that guy.


whatlineisitanyway

It is crazy to think how many goals Gretzky could have if he prioritized his own goal scoring.


GoGoPowerPlay

I did see him once say that the season he scored 92 he wished he had shot a bit more to reach 100.


tI_Irdferguson

92 goals in a season is unfathomable. That record will never be broken.


Krumm

Probably thought it was so easy he'd end up doing it by accident. I imagine he was almost right.


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Ok-Spinach69

It's bananas! B-A-N-A-N-A-S!


ESF-hockeeyyy

Can’t believe Ovechkin never did it.


theguyishere16

I was also shocked by that. One 65 goal season then his next highest was 56


cannaco19

Only 56. What a chump.


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“Yer trash kid”


Oasystole

Is he stupid?


PhiloBlackCardinal

Literally just score four more goals lmao it’s not hard Ovi


kidrockpasta

Matthews better than ovi, it's official


Fingernail7672

Just shows how consistent he’s been throughout his career. Many 50 goal years but only one 60+ goal year…


think_long

There were many years he was the only guy to get 50 as well.


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Also insane how many guys are here over him but nowhere near his goal totals other than wayne still ahead


think_long

It’s because of what he did in his 30s. Ovechkin’s goal scoring in general is obviously discussed a lot, but not enough is said about how he scored at a 50 goal pace between 2017-2022, his age 32-36 seasons. That is, by far, the most impressive stat of his career and the reason he will, barring disaster, break Gretzky’s record. It’s bananas and completely unprecedented for someone to do that at that age. Look up how many 45+ goal seasons there have been period in history from players 32 and over. It’s a short list.


Gr3ylock

Yup, people already want to give the title of greatest goal scorer ever to Matthews, but I don't think that can even be a discussion until we see what kind of drop off he has in his 30s. Longevity is important in it's own right, plus being able to figure out how to score as your body wears down and teams "solve" how to play against you


jokinghazard

Only player in history to lead the league in goal scoring 8 times. He's actually done it 9 times, but that doesn't negate the stat. As far as pure goal scoring, he's the GOAT.


InvolvingPie87

Lower scoring eras be like that. Doesn’t make it not impressive on both their parts


nofakefans18

Makes you think he high his tallys would be if he played in any other era.


ghostfan9

Imagine he never went to the KHL


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His 65 goal season is like the 2nd best ever era adjusted. 72 era adjusted doesn't sound that impressive until you realize Gretzkys 92 era adjusts down below it.


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nofakefans18

On the flip side if you adjust for league average scoring, Ovi’s 65 goal year would go up to 72.


PaddyMayonaise

Also known as the Teenu Selanne number


liveinsanity010

I'm confused by this Selanne had 76?


PaddyMayonaise

Did he? Damn, I thought it was 72. Even more impressive


6-8-5-13

Selanne had 76 goals as a rookie in 1993. Mogilny also had 76 that season.


Traditional_Boot2663

I don’t have 23-34 data for that but if you use league average goals for last season he would have 61.7 goals adjusted from 2008-2009 to 2022-2023.  (3.14g/game in 22-23) * (56 goals in 08-09)/(2.85g/game in 08-09) = 61.7 goals adjusted. 


tracerbullet__pi

Not sure how accurate hockey ref's era adjusted numbers are, but they have his 2013 (82 game pace) and 2015 numbers at 62 and 60.


Ravage1496

Honestly I think the fact he only did it once makes what he’s done/doing even more impressive.


Table_Coaster

he would have if he was in his 20s from 2017-now, nothing he can really do about that


LogicRyan

Yeah his prime was a lower scoring era, just the way it is


Lindydreau

Makes it more crazier that Him, Crosby and Malkin were regularly hitting 100 with ease


ianisms10

Only Crosby I'd say fits that. Ovechkin hit 100 in 4 of his first 5 seasons and never again (even taking shortened seasons into account, he never scored at that pace), and Malkin only did it 3 times, though there was a time he had 98 in 78 games.


Table_Coaster

maybe i'm just being pedantic but hitting 100 4 times seems like "regularly" to me in an era where barely anyone was doing it, Crosby only did it twice more than Ovi


CommonGrounders

Got a *lot* more PP opportunity though. Something like 25 extra hours of PP time compared to Matthews.


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Table_Coaster

08-09 absolutely adjusts to above 60, and 14-15 is like 59.9x. 36 year old Ovi just put up 50 goals in 77 games 3 years ago in today's scoring environment, prime Ovi would absolutely demolish this league


Slow_drift412

He still was on pace to come really close before Covid hit and that was at the age of 34.


quiksurf68

I was surprised Teemu never hit 60 after his insane rookie year with 76 goals.


capitalsfan08

Ha, I can tell your age. Ovechkin's 65 goal season was insane. The next 5 goal scorers were 52, 50, 47, 43, 43. The season only saw 10 40 goal scorers, mainly just barely over 40. This season we already have 10 40+ goal scorers and 2 other 50+ goal scorers. Last season we saw another 60 goal scorer, 3 50 goal scorers and 14 total goal scorers. Scoring is just up in general. Era adjusted goals isn't perfect but gives a decent shorthand at comparing eras and has Ovechkin with 6 of the top 50 goal scoring seasons of all time, including #2. https://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/goals_adjusted_season.html None of this is a knock against Matthews, what he's doing is incredible. But raw totals don't tell quite the whole story. Stamkos and Ovechkin hitting 60 plus in that era was insane.


frog-hopper

That’s some really wild stats. So like Matthews’ 2 60 goal years are adjusted up but McDavid’s 64 goals last year is rounded down. Was 2022-2023 such an anomaly in modern goaltending or is it bc we had 2 60+ last year? Actually Matthews’ other true 60g season in 21-22 was moved *down* to 58 but his 41 in an injured year was adjusted up to 63? That’s definitely wild.


_George_Costanza

Matthews 41 wasn’t in an injury shortened year, it was the COVID shortened year. That’s why it’s massively adjusted up.


shig-baq

Crazy how Selanne isn't here after scoring like 75 his rookie season


frankyseven

76 that season. Friendly reminder that Mario had 69 goals in 60 games that season.


Much-Resource-5054

On pace for 96.6g 127.4a 224p in a full 84 games. He won the scoring title by 12 points despite missing 29% of the season with cancer. The best season by anyone in NHL history.


zebrainatux

Lemieux stat lines are just as insane as Gretzky. Like his final junior season, he scored 133… GOALS!


Much-Resource-5054

4 points per game in his last season of juniors. All the total studs that have played juniors and Lemieux still easily holds the record.


jokinghazard

Jesus so he could've broken the single season goals AND points record that year? Hockey gods were cruel to him.


frankyseven

AND HE HAD FUCKING CANCER! Easily the best season ever, maybe in all sports.


buddachickentml

Nice


wrinkledpenny

Nice


polishtom

Nice


Smarmalades

one of 6 to score 75 in a season all time, amazing damn good steakhouse, too


Vaher

After all the years of being dogshit having someone like Matthews on the team I cheer for makes me tune in every single time. Even if the noise around the team is annoying, this guy makes it worth watching. Absolute fucking stud. Love em.


grottos

I’ve been a fan since 2002. This is the most fun I’ve had as a leafs fan ever


TrillBillyDeluxe

Same, born into the sundin era, this is just different


Appropriate-Dog6645

All of the 3. Mathews,Marner, Nylander. They are taking over records. Even sundin, Nylander will pass him. Will say he was the best Swedish player


thatguy_griff

respect to willy but no. not yet anyway.


smozoma

Yeah Sundin was doing point-per-game seasons through the entire dead puck, [clutch-and-grab](https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/162e2tw/just_a_normal_nhl_shift_from_1998/) era with Alexei Ponikarovski and Nik Antropov as the next best forwards on the team.


tI_Irdferguson

>Nylander will pass him. Will say he was the best Swedish player I love Willy but acknowledging that would feel like taking a blow torch to my childhood


Cyrakhis

Born into the Dougie era Still different. They were legends but we never had a top 3 player in the league back then


ghostfan9

Definitely different. Sundin era actually put together some playoff runs


Neon_Sternum

I’m not a Leafs fan in the slightest but fuck all he’s fun to watch.


SeatPaste7

Thanks. You have a couple of fun to watches yourself.


DylanFallis

Same with Mack, insane talent


Rhsubw

As an Australian that got into hockey in Matthews rookie year and randomly chose the Maple Leafs to support, I honestly don't know if I'll be able to watch it once he's gone.


Ravage1496

Looking at 100+ years off Leafs history and them really never having super duper star till now while places like Pitt and Edmonton have a plethora of em is crazy.


Hoof_Hearted12

It's pretty wild. Habs haven't had a goal scorer like that in decades too. Happy for you guys, even with how I feel about the leafs I can't help but like Matthews as a fan of the game at this point.


LowHangingLight

Yeah, same reason I watched awful Jays teams growing up, to see Delgado and Halladay play. Those two weren't even as dominant in their individual sport, and the Leafs at least make the playoffs these days, but it feels similar.


YamburglarHelper

This is how we felt about the Sedins. Enjoy the godliness of Matthews, you guys have suffered through some shit.


draxdiggity

Fucking absolutely agree with you


OakFern

Gretzky's like: I see your multiple 60+ goal reasons and raise you 4x 70+ goal seasons. In a row. From 1981-1982 to to 1984-1985: 92G, 71G, 87G, 73G. 323G in 314 GP over 4 seasons.


2475014

And his assist totals for those 4 seasons? 120, 125, 118, 135. Every single one of those numbers is better than any other person in history (Lemieux had 114)


multiloops

🐐


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Blue_KikiT92

This joke will never be not funny 😂😂😂


JohnCoutu

Mike Bossy doesn't get the respect he deserves. RIP


50missioncap

Yep, Mike Bossy retired at 30. His injury shortened final year was the only one in his career that he didn't hit 50. He's like Orr, if he'd lasted long enough, his career totals would be untouchable.


ianisms10

I know I'm not exactly neutral here, but I think he probably could've scored 1000 goals if he had a healthy career.


Se7enkb

Crazy how much hate this guy got when signing his new contract. Idk how anyone can complain now. He’s worth the money.


whatyousayin8

I don’t think anyone complained about Matthews. More like everyone Complained about every other contract because then we couldn’t pay Matthews MORE


thatguy_griff

the issue was never hes not worth it. the issue is seeing others take a lower hit for longer. mack only went 100K above mcd for longer.


Se7enkb

Mack and Matthews had the same cap hit% and Mcdavids contract is 5 years old now.


PaddyMayonaise

I feel like Mike Bossy, and that Islanders dynasty as a whole, is really under respected by modern fans. Dude had a short career but this is what he accomplished in ten years during the peak Gretzky era: 1,126 points in just 752 games (1.5 ppg) To this day, leads the NHL in most goals per game with 0.76 goals per game (minimum 200 career goals scored). To this day, is 4th all time in points per game at 1.5ppg (minimum 500 career points). Four consecutive Stanley Cup Championships. Eight 1st or 2nd team all stars. Conn Smythe trophy. Calder trophy. Three Lady Byngs. Nine 50+ goal seasons. Five 60+ goal seasons. 44 career hat tricks. Led the NHL in goals twice. Top-5 in goals 6 times. Top-5 in points Five times. Seven 100+ point seasons. Retired with the 6th most goals in NHL history. The guy is one of the best players of all time and it seems like no one talks about him.


bluelineturnovers

My favourite stat about the Isles dynasty is their 19 consecutive playoff series wins. Might be the most unbreakable team record out rhere


ianisms10

In the modern day NHL with unrestricted free agency and a salary cap, I just don't see any way that can ever be topped. To put it in comparison, the recent Tampa dynasty won 11 straight series. They would've had to have beaten Colorado, won the Cup again last year, and then made it to the finals this year to tie it.


ShatteredAnus

I like you...really really a lot! Bossy is so underrated and the Isles dynasty is so overlooked. It was also 5 straight finals, Gretzky finally got them the 2nd time around


C_Kambala

Wow these are crazy numbers. I never got to see him play so I had no idea. If I had these numbers on NHL 24 I'd turn the difficulty up because it felt too easy or fake. Thanks for posting this, I'm about to go YouTube the shit out of him.


ianisms10

Him, Potvin, and Trottier don't get enough respect purely because of who they played for


PaddyMayonaise

That and they were immediately overshadowed by the Oilers


Zodiac33

Place your bets on where he climbs up that list. Feeling 4 seasons is well within possible.


minwood

May he never score less than 60 again


UniformRaspberry2

As is written.


Sp3ctre7

Leafsan Al Gaib


Material-Fish-8638

*YOUR MOTHERS WARNED YOU OF MY COMING!*


rekaba117

Praise be


dswartze

Watch out for the monkey's paw effect where Quebec is given an expansion franchise over the summer to start play next season and somehow the leafs management screw up the paperwork and he's unprotected in the expansion draft. Or his extension is found to be illegal and gets voided and he signs somewhere else. Or he just decides to retire this off season.


reggierock2010

Easily could of had another when he was on pace for a 60 goal season if we didn’t have a covid short season


taco_the_town

Could have*


Much-Resource-5054

41 goals in 52 games is 64.7 goals for a full season


CaptainHerbalLife

Why’d they use a picture of him yawning?? Congrats to him though!


Rhsubw

Cause this shits boring to him, obviously


Crisis-Huskies-fan

Congrats to Matthews for completing a very tough task. That graphic displays why I think that Mike Bossy doesn’t get the respect he deserves. Anytime someone shares a record with Gretzky, that’s pretty special.


DevOpsMakesMeDrink

Matthews will always be underrated in the history books because covid shortened seasons in his prime. He would have more 60 goal seasons than this by now


unsoldburrito

He would have one more, and honestly I think people will look at 41 goals in 52 games as more impressive than if he ended up with 60-65 in that full season 


MikeJeffriesPA

Even his other 60-goal season, he did that while only playing 73 games. 


GoGoPowerPlay

and He scored 50 goals in 49 games!


Rhsubw

Yeah but to be fair you can come up with any excuse for anyone if you try to. "Ovie played in the dead puck era" is one I see a lot, for example


Cyrakhis

And Ovi losing a lockout season. We gotta play the hand we're dealt, but speculation is fun


leafsbroncos18

And mike bossy played a shortened career and if gretzky had focused more on scoring and if mario hadn’t gotten sick and if jagr hadn’t gone to europe lol


RustyShackleford14

I’m sure he’s lost at least half a season if not more to lockouts.


FatCrankyBastard

Another half season to locusts.


smokingmeth619

Missed what would’ve been his entire rookie season due to the 04-05 lockout, plus the ~half season in 12-13 and however many games in 2020 due to COVID. Almost 2 full seasons.


TruculentBucket

I can’t believe Selanne never did it after putting up 76 in his rookie season!


A_1337_Canadian

Mogilny put up 76 in that season, too, and never topped 55 again.


SamZim555

Mogilny only had 3 seasons with more than 40 goals. That 76 goal season is an outlier in his career.


Much-Resource-5054

Fuckin scrub


Zealousideal_Dog3430

Selanne's prime was right in the middle of the Dead Puck Era. But he still managed two 50-goal seasons (and a league leading 47 in 1999) when fewer than 10 players a year were managing to get 40.


zonkedforlife

Bure had 2 with the Canucks and then 58 & 59 goal seasons with the panthers. Almost had 4


JonJonFTW

Only active player!


VitaminTea

Jari Kurri isn't active?


TrillBillyDeluxe

LTIR


NoGiCollarChoke

He’s built different


jimmymeeko

People wanted to write him off after his down year of 40 goals last year lmao Hopefully this will help people accept that Matthews is a generational goal scorer.


Much-Resource-5054

He is outpacing Ovechkin so far in his career. Pretty solid evidence to support that position.


Old-Rhubarb-97

Users here were outright celebrating a down year. 


KrizenMedina

Ridiculously awesome. As a fan for over 25 years, I've seen some truly skilled players, like Sundin, for example... but what Matthews is doing is on another level.


AceBombkick

Also the only active player


AuthorizedShitPoster

Auston the Gr34te


Illustrious-Egg-5839

Respect. From a Bruin fan.


Stewiegriffinzzz

Wait so Selanne hit 76 in his first season and never hit over 60 again? Wow did not know that.


devioustrevor

Mogilny had 76 that year two, but only two other seasons above 40.


BackhandQ

Ovi has only done it once?! Crazy.


Habsfan_2000

Wow, I hope he makes it to 67 goals.


HeftyNugs

Your wish is granted, but the Leafs win the cup


JesusJohn

Me too buddy, thanks


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One of only two Leafs I've ever liked.


Justinarian

Well who’s the other?


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Phil.


UniformRaspberry2

I can't believe you never liked Plekanec.


DOELCMNILOC

This is Mike Komisarek erasure.


A_1337_Canadian

Major disrespect to Yanic Perreault.


swabfalling

Well of course you do, you’re a human being


NoGiCollarChoke

Eddie Shack


whatyousayin8

I’ll bite. Who’s #2?


cjcfman

Imagine if lemieux stayed healthy


Much-Resource-5054

1300 goals and 3100 points.


_Salsa_Shark

Nice


AccomplishedAd4995

insanity


GroundbreakingLimit1

That's insane 


metrichustle

He's about to sneeze. They need a better graphic


GoGoPowerPlay

We all know Toronto has had many tough times, but it is an absolute privilege to be watching Matthews play for the Leafs, he is already the greatest Leaf of all time and there is no question about it. Crazy that he is on pace to already break Sundin's franchise goal record next year, in like 400 less games.


PSMF_Canuck

Jeez…didn’t realize it’s been so long since there’s been a scorer this prolific…


crazycanucks77

Pavel was the last one. He also could have had 4 as well. He had 58 and 59 goal seasons in Florida


dare978devil

What's even more impressive about Bossy being on this list is that he played only 10 seasons in the NHL , and in 9 of them, he scored 50 or more goals. In 5 of them, 60 or more.


SupernovaPlus5

Honestly hope he gets 70


Cachmaninoff

He’s also never scored 50. He had some shortened seasons where he was almost a goal a game too


Culzean_Castle_Is

Bure was a god


Lindydreau

Scored 59 on a shitty Panthers team lol. If only he had a true #1 Centre and healthy knees.


Much-Resource-5054

Two 60 goal seasons, and a 59 and 58. He was unreal.


chemicalxv

He's already 15th all-time in goals by an American and he's played the fewest games (553) of everyone (who is American) in the Top 50 by a mile. The closest is Jimmy Carson, who played 626 games, and finished with 84 fewer goals. He's also now 70 goals behind Bill Guerin for 10th all-time. Depending on what happens over the final 9 games of this year he has a real shot of hitting that by the end of next season.


That_Marionberry_262

Just in time for golf season.