That's not cap circumvention. It is an advantage, but it's not circumvention.
And many states have carve outs from their no-income taxes just for sports athletes. Plus, they pay taxes to the states they travel to. So it's not like they're instantly saving ~25% on their salary.
Plus it’s not like the FL teams, Dallas, or Nashville can afford to pay an army of staffers like Toronto. Players also have more access to endorsement deals in Canada
It's good to be hated, it normally means you did really good for an extended period of time.
Well, or you covered up a sexual assault and then continued to make tonedeaf PR moves afterwards. That one is the not so good variety.
3 more years to go until they catch the Oilers/Flames when they did it for Alberta from 1983 to 1990 (Oilers '83, '84, '85, '87, '88, '90; Flames in '86, '89). Two great teams in TBL and Florida over the past few years.
I’ve been places that have outdoor rinks in Florida in December/January. Maybe if they played at night it would be possibly. Our winters can be in the 80s sometimes tho so I don’t know how feasible it is.
Yeah, Jacksonville actually does get cold. People forget that Florida is long af, It's about 6 hour drive from Jax to Miami. The climate is about as different as going from Virginia to New York.
I can take eternal misery as long as they're in the same boat. If I can't be happy, neither can they. That said, it'd be nice to see a Cup in my lifetime, although maybe a Canucks fan isn't someone I should say that to.
Since the start of 2020, Florida sports teams have made:
- 5 Stanley Cup Finals
- 2 NBA Finals
- 1 Super Bowl
- 1 World Series
Florida is the new Boston.
bruh. Meanwhile we only have teams in two major sports, and one (canucks) was complete doodoo for 10 years while the other (whitecaps) is nearly unwatchable with a boring-ass style and just being ass in general.
I'm jelly even if I love the boys we have now.
Yeah I guess, but Tampa is a 4+ hour drive away from Miami (Heat: 2 Finals, 2 losses), and Sunrise/Fort Lauderdale (2 Finals, 1 loss, 1 TBD).
Tampa has all the wins, down here in South FL it’s been a great time having all these Finals appearances, but it’s all been losses. This team really feels like our best shot to get a Championship and it’s going to absolutely suck if it doesn’t happen again.
Gotta wait for the ratings and viewer numbers to know that. Anytime Florida is there, the numbers drop dramatically. Last year was a joke for viewers vs other years with better hockey markets.
I don't think Tampa has ever lost to a NY team in the playoffs. Although jersey has knocked us out twice, the last time being in 07 so not sure if that counts or not.
The Atlantic Division is just absoultely insane and on another level in the East. Florida..Tampa..Boston... they just impose their will that any Metro team can't deal with
Anytime I bring up the tax thing I get downvoted. It’s a real thing. More money in their pockets compared to other teams with crazy high taxes like Mass or NY
People also forget that many Hockey player like playing in a "non-hockey" market.
You can get paid like a celebrity, but don't have to deal with a lot of the worst parts of sports superstardom. No one at the Grocery store is going to yell at you for screwing up the game last night. The waitress might recognize you at dinner and be aware you're some sports big shot, but she isn't going to try to talk shop with you when you just want to get a dinner with your family.
If you lose, you just lose, instead of being subjected to the 24/7 sports new cycle crucifying you for weeks. The Miami media market goes "Oh well that sucks, now for the weather".
You can live and breathe hockey with your team, but not have to engage in the near human sacrifice level that markets like Toronto/New York torment their stars with.
Let be honest, some northern/Canadian hockey fans can be fucking obnoxious.
The image of Adam Larsson looking defeated after being put on trial by the Edmonton media for daring to be on the other end of the Taylor Hall trade will forever be stuck in my head when thinking about how brutal the fans/media can be.
Every time a Florida team wins the Stanley cup, a Canadian team should have to relocate to the deep south.
They can get them back by winning the cup, time for some tough love Canada.
I'm convinced Hockey would do really well Jacksonville. It's grown by like half a million since they got the Jags. It's not a small market anymore, relatively to a lot of place that have hockey teams.
The Jumbo shrimp also pull super well. People are hungry for top tier professional sports that isn't the Jags.
Next league to put a team in Jax is gonna make bank.
Well, the city just put up 600mil to help build a roof for that shit team, and it's very, very disappointing. The city could do a lot better than pour money into the Jags.
Everyone is shitting on the LTIR loophole. But no state taxes is a bigger fucking cheat code than any LTIR loophole. It's able to make good players sign for dirt cheap.
You almost make it sound like the players actually WANT to play in Boston. Oh no. You sure got me.
Regardless of how you feel, the point I make is a real one. Fuck the entire state of Florida while I’m at it 🤷♂️
I mean everyone knows it's because there isn't any income tax... Way easier to sign free agents and get guys to stay for less money. It was only a matter of time.
Same problem baseball is having :) Every year since 2019 the World Series has had games played in Texas (yes, even the 2020 one, it was played in Texas on a neutral field).
How can you not say the NHL is rigged? There is so much incentive to have hockey be popular in the state and the writing is on the wall with who we see make the finals in the east every year.
The Florida Panthers made their debut under Bettman's tenure. He'll want to add another Sunbelt team Stanley Cup to his resume. It's over for the Oilers if they make it to the Finals.
I swear to God that any team that gets success, people will find an excuse to cite as part of a Bettman conspiracy to make money. Big market gets success? Obviously Bettman rigged it for ratings. Small market gets success? Obviously Bettman rigged it to build market share.
Traditional hockey city? Rigged for ratings
New/Sunbelt teams? Rigged for new ratings
The man is an incompetent commissioner, how do people think he's harboring a whole-ass conspiracy
A mid level market that has credibility as a hockey market but you wouldn't really call them traditional?
buddy you better believe that's rigged for ratings.
100% agree with you man. As usual reddit is middle of the IQ curve folks who refuse to believe that a large corporation could be compromised to try and make more money
what do they have in the waters in florida
Defenitely better watter than Galveston’s
Dirty ass water...gotta wear shoes to the beach
Say it again Chuck? 😂
We're not even gonna send em to Cancun, drive ya ass down to Galveston 😅
Waiting for Chuck and shaq to get some interviews in the nhl on tnt.
Too bad ESPN has the US rights to the Finals this year, otherwise they for sure will make an appearance
Dirty water’s our thing
Better water than Walkerton.
Bro Galveston can’t even be called a beach. That’s a treatment plant with sand.
Galveston is 5 hours away from Dallas
Gators, manatees, venomous snakes, amoebas, snapping turtles, catfish, and the occasional drunk skinny dipping redneck
Mama says alligators is so angry because dey got all dem teef and no toofbrush
No state income tax
Meth
Bath salts
Tom Brady moved to Florida in 2020.
Canadians, New Yorkers, New Englanders and Russians.
That’s a Pretty good group at hockey too
Tax lawyers 😭
jet skis
Phosphate mine runoff and red tide
Low income tax
No income tax
Brawndo!
gary bettman he doesn't like to travel
Gators.
Gatorade
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I blame television
Low taxes
book bans
No income tax
The water is too hot to drink
Washed up Colombian bam bam
Meth
Kroc
Salt
Lead
No state income tax.
No taxes, cocaine, yearlong sunshine, and women in bikinis.
Gary Bettman
No income taxes anyways
Cap circumvention via lower income tax rates.
That's not cap circumvention. It is an advantage, but it's not circumvention. And many states have carve outs from their no-income taxes just for sports athletes. Plus, they pay taxes to the states they travel to. So it's not like they're instantly saving ~25% on their salary.
Plus it’s not like the FL teams, Dallas, or Nashville can afford to pay an army of staffers like Toronto. Players also have more access to endorsement deals in Canada
It’s not frozen, that fact alone is an attractant lol
What we dont have is that NYC bagel water that makes all these Rags fans as soft as lox cream cheese.
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I hate them a lot less
well fuck you too, buddy!
It's good to be hated, it normally means you did really good for an extended period of time. Well, or you covered up a sexual assault and then continued to make tonedeaf PR moves afterwards. That one is the not so good variety.
How?? The Panthers literally follow the Trump strategy of committing so many crimes that they can't possibly call them all.
Hate Kucherov and have had a ton of bad experiences with Lightning fans
As you should.
Florida is one hell of a drug!
Fuck me up Florida?
Take me to Florida!!! -Edmonton/Dallas rn
I've got some regrets, I'll bury them in Florida
Well if it's Dallas then they go to Dallas lol
Legit thought that Florida was ahead of Dallas in the regular season standings for some reason
They were all kinda close there at the end. Dallas was a point behind the Rags and florida was 5th, 3 points back of Dallas.
3 more years to go until they catch the Oilers/Flames when they did it for Alberta from 1983 to 1990 (Oilers '83, '84, '85, '87, '88, '90; Flames in '86, '89). Two great teams in TBL and Florida over the past few years.
The real state of hockey Play a stadium series game in Miami or Tampa you cowards
honestly a january game in Miami would be pretty nice if they could get that ice they do at Santa's Enchanted Forest
I’ve been places that have outdoor rinks in Florida in December/January. Maybe if they played at night it would be possibly. Our winters can be in the 80s sometimes tho so I don’t know how feasible it is.
I think it would have to be on a crisp January. Like the ones that get in the 30s. Like they'd have to plan around a cold front.
Just go to Pensacola. One year it was 10 degrees for like 2 days
that's probably the best place. Or Tally
What if they install that mock ice that players use in the summer? It mimics ice without the need for a Zamboni.
yeah that's what they use at Santa's!
You bastards
Jacksonville wouldn’t be a bad place for it in the winter.
Yeah, Jacksonville actually does get cold. People forget that Florida is long af, It's about 6 hour drive from Jax to Miami. The climate is about as different as going from Virginia to New York.
If they did it in Jacksonville at the Jags stadium, it would be cold enough... i also live in Jacksonville, and it would save me a drive.
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I don’t think there’s a way to pull it off but I want a winter classic at Ray Jay against the Panthers so bad
Four of those at the expense of New York!
Im sick of those NYC transplants moving down here at telling me how great it was back in NYC. Guess they cant make it anywhere.
People from NYC have no idea how miserable they are to be around
No we’re aware and it’s on purpose.
I'm not talking about poor NYCers who can't leave the city, like you No one cares about your need to make each other miserable
2 for each of them really sharing the love evenly
NC getting in on this really making sure the transplants feel at home too.
You love to see it.
:(
I will never know happiness.
Neither will the Rangers A win is a win
I can take eternal misery as long as they're in the same boat. If I can't be happy, neither can they. That said, it'd be nice to see a Cup in my lifetime, although maybe a Canucks fan isn't someone I should say that to.
The entirety of Canada stands with you
Turns out there is indeed some quit in New York
"No Quit in New York" should be changed to "Can't Have Shit in New York"
~~Canada’s~~ Florida’s sport
Bettman came in his pants
How can global warming be real when the best hockey teams are in Florida? There shouldn't be any ice there!?
Really wish these free loading north teams would pick up their games. We having to carry this sport right now.
The East runs through Florida
Imagine telling hockey fans that back in 1993 for the next 30 years Florida would have more Stanley Cup wins than the entire country combined lmao
Imagine telling them California would have 3, Florida would have 3+, Texas would have 1, Carolina would have 1, Nevada (!) would have 1...
Also telling them Colorado would have 3 would be a trip.
“The Nordiques will win three cups!” “YAY!” “After moving away from Quebec!” “BOO!”
Gary Bettman with just a raging erection reading this
California has 3 and 3 teams Which means each team has one Right guys? …Right? ಥ_ಥ
This can't be worded correctly
I think that's part of the fun
>for the next 30 years Florida would have more Stanley Cup wins than the entire country combined lmao Are you using that new Terrence Howard math?
Beaches and no state tax have its benefits
The turnpike will get ya tho
Florida has 0 Stanley cup wins in that time. Tampa bay has some though
*The State of
Who’s gonna tell him
I'ma come back to this comment in 3 weeks.
Since the start of 2020, Florida sports teams have made: - 5 Stanley Cup Finals - 2 NBA Finals - 1 Super Bowl - 1 World Series Florida is the new Boston.
Man… I’m starting to realize why we got so much hate
Tom Brady is inevitable, he is apart of both Boston and Florida sports domination lol.
Makes sense, considering we get a lot of transplants from the Boston area.
bruh. Meanwhile we only have teams in two major sports, and one (canucks) was complete doodoo for 10 years while the other (whitecaps) is nearly unwatchable with a boring-ass style and just being ass in general. I'm jelly even if I love the boys we have now.
Yeah I guess, but Tampa is a 4+ hour drive away from Miami (Heat: 2 Finals, 2 losses), and Sunrise/Fort Lauderdale (2 Finals, 1 loss, 1 TBD). Tampa has all the wins, down here in South FL it’s been a great time having all these Finals appearances, but it’s all been losses. This team really feels like our best shot to get a Championship and it’s going to absolutely suck if it doesn’t happen again.
All our hockey is now belong to Florida.
They have more Ontario born players than the leafs do...
The east runs through Florida? And a better question; Florida is a hockey state?! Safe to say, yes.
it is now
Gotta wait for the ratings and viewer numbers to know that. Anytime Florida is there, the numbers drop dramatically. Last year was a joke for viewers vs other years with better hockey markets.
Well if they don't win this year, it's going to hurt a lot more than last year.
I hope the panthers get swept.
I hope it does
They've been getting away with a lot of dirty shit. I expect it to continue in the finals but I hope I'm wrong
And 8 of the last 10 East Finals. In the last decade, only 2017 and 2019 didn’t feature a Florida team in the East Finals.
4 out of 5 times they beat a New York team in the ECF.
I don't think Tampa has ever lost to a NY team in the playoffs. Although jersey has knocked us out twice, the last time being in 07 so not sure if that counts or not.
The Atlantic Division is just absoultely insane and on another level in the East. Florida..Tampa..Boston... they just impose their will that any Metro team can't deal with
What nice weather, and no state tax will do to a mofo.
Anytime I bring up the tax thing I get downvoted. It’s a real thing. More money in their pockets compared to other teams with crazy high taxes like Mass or NY
People also forget that many Hockey player like playing in a "non-hockey" market. You can get paid like a celebrity, but don't have to deal with a lot of the worst parts of sports superstardom. No one at the Grocery store is going to yell at you for screwing up the game last night. The waitress might recognize you at dinner and be aware you're some sports big shot, but she isn't going to try to talk shop with you when you just want to get a dinner with your family. If you lose, you just lose, instead of being subjected to the 24/7 sports new cycle crucifying you for weeks. The Miami media market goes "Oh well that sucks, now for the weather". You can live and breathe hockey with your team, but not have to engage in the near human sacrifice level that markets like Toronto/New York torment their stars with. Let be honest, some northern/Canadian hockey fans can be fucking obnoxious.
The image of Adam Larsson looking defeated after being put on trial by the Edmonton media for daring to be on the other end of the Taylor Hall trade will forever be stuck in my head when thinking about how brutal the fans/media can be.
All those posts about playing on frozen lakes in the mountains but how cool would it be to play on a frozen mangrove swamp
Santa's used to have a rink
Florida has come and so has Bettman.
God bless our lord gary. may the salary cap never rise to keep southern teams competetive
4 out of those 5 were after beating a New York team in the CF too. Crazy.
Something something no state tax
Bettman is going to relocate the next team to Jacksonville. Jacksonville Senators?
We'll have to rename the Atlantic division the Swamp division. Looking forward to seeing Baton Rouge Red Sticks
Every time a Florida team wins the Stanley cup, a Canadian team should have to relocate to the deep south. They can get them back by winning the cup, time for some tough love Canada.
As someone who lives in Jacksonville, i would be happy.
I'm convinced Hockey would do really well Jacksonville. It's grown by like half a million since they got the Jags. It's not a small market anymore, relatively to a lot of place that have hockey teams.
We have an Echl team, the Icemen and we aparently have the largest crowds of any other team in the leauge (I'm a season ticket holder).
The Jumbo shrimp also pull super well. People are hungry for top tier professional sports that isn't the Jags. Next league to put a team in Jax is gonna make bank.
Well, the city just put up 600mil to help build a roof for that shit team, and it's very, very disappointing. The city could do a lot better than pour money into the Jags.
We could have a nice 20k seat arena downtown that gets used more than 8 times a year plus a college bowl for that money. Frustrating.
GET RID OF FLORIDA TEAMS
But I was told hockey doesn't work in Florida!
The state of Florida runs the eastern conference
The last non Floridian eastern team to make the finals was Montreal in 2021…even they fell victim to a Florida team
These damn non-traditional markets
fucking swamp hicks
Everyone is shitting on the LTIR loophole. But no state taxes is a bigger fucking cheat code than any LTIR loophole. It's able to make good players sign for dirt cheap.
I’ve said this before. It’s a huge advantage. States with no tax should have lower caps.
Pretty amusing comment coming from a fan of a team that's known for having players take huge pay cuts to play there..
You almost make it sound like the players actually WANT to play in Boston. Oh no. You sure got me. Regardless of how you feel, the point I make is a real one. Fuck the entire state of Florida while I’m at it 🤷♂️
The cup runs through florida?
I mean everyone knows it's because there isn't any income tax... Way easier to sign free agents and get guys to stay for less money. It was only a matter of time.
How's the betting industry in Florida?
They should have a Winter classic and a Snowbird game down south. A later outdoor game, lighter jerseys with a tropical theme.
Kinda like the World Series in Texas
Also, 20 years ago it was Calgary vs Tampa in the final. It could be an Edmonton vs Florida final. Florida vs Alberta again, 20 years later.
No state tax and nice weather.
someone shop bettmans face on randy marsh
Same problem baseball is having :) Every year since 2019 the World Series has had games played in Texas (yes, even the 2020 one, it was played in Texas on a neutral field).
No state income tax really makes a difference. Realistically gets you an extra 4-6 mil in cap space to work with. Which makes a difference.
Florida own hockey and I’m all here for it
I guess hockey is a Southern sport
How can you not say the NHL is rigged? There is so much incentive to have hockey be popular in the state and the writing is on the wall with who we see make the finals in the east every year.
Get good
Or maybe they have had good teams?
The Florida Panthers made their debut under Bettman's tenure. He'll want to add another Sunbelt team Stanley Cup to his resume. It's over for the Oilers if they make it to the Finals.
I swear to God that any team that gets success, people will find an excuse to cite as part of a Bettman conspiracy to make money. Big market gets success? Obviously Bettman rigged it for ratings. Small market gets success? Obviously Bettman rigged it to build market share.
Traditional hockey city? Rigged for ratings New/Sunbelt teams? Rigged for new ratings The man is an incompetent commissioner, how do people think he's harboring a whole-ass conspiracy
A mid level market that has credibility as a hockey market but you wouldn't really call them traditional? buddy you better believe that's rigged for ratings.
Bettman is not bad at his job. If he was, the owners would get rid of him.
Only team Bettman would never rig it for is Winnipeg smh
Too many people don’t believe in Hanlon’s razor.
Part of why I love being a sun belt fan is meltdowns like this.
100% agree with you man. As usual reddit is middle of the IQ curve folks who refuse to believe that a large corporation could be compromised to try and make more money
State tax (or lack thereof) means they should be in the Final every year until the loophole is addressed. Or, their GMs should be fired. That simple.
The Kraken, Stars, Golden Knights and Predators also have no state income tax.
Shhh shhh you're disrupting his narrative. We don't need facts here.
California literally has the worst taxes and the kings have won a couple cups recently. Stfu
They were battling at the top of the mountain with an Illinois team lmao