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VeryLastChance

Tampa letting Stammer walk just to sign Guentzel feels wrong to me


intecknicolour

the best teams are ruthless. especially when hedman, point, kuch and vasy are still in their primes. wonder if they are as ruthless as they should be. the window is closing but it's still a good team.


VitaminTea

Hedman turns 34 this year


DoinWhale

And he just had a career offensive year lol


VitaminTea

Of course he's still a good player but there is no world where a 34yo is "still in his prime"


howdoikickball

Tom Brady?


No_Coffee_9112

Tom Brady played in the NFL. That’s a football league. This is the NHL, which is a hockey league. Different sports.


pvt_snowba11

Can someone fact check this?


perat0

Incorrect, NFL is a hand egg league.


icecreambandit7

Played by meat popsicles


intecknicolour

nick lidstrom was in his prime the day he retired.


Fredbear_

Bergeron too


angelbelle

Back in my days, we had the Nik Lidstrom award for best d-man and Patrice Bergeron award for best two way forward /s


EggplantAlpinism

Well yeah, but he was (and is) a robot


FialaIsMyDad

Ovi, Malkin, Carlson, Sid, Burns, Ek65, Pavelski, Keith? 34 years may not be absolutely peak but this is one of the best dmen of his respective era, I would not be surprised to see him still be bona fide 1st pairing for the next 3 years.


VitaminTea

None of these players were in their prime at 34 years old. Turn your brain on.


FialaIsMyDad

Since turning 34: Ovi: 195G, 339P in 342 GP Malkin: 82G, 220P in 238 GP Sid: 106G, 271P in 233 GP Burns: 232P in 372 GP So yeah, saying they're not in the primes may be true but the way you are framing this comes across as they're not good players and not good enough to be impactful on a contender


VitaminTea

>the way you are framing this comes across as they're not good players The comment you replied to literally started "of course he's still a good player" lmao


PhysicsOk8866

I like how you decide by age and not actual play for prime. Silly comment.


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PhysicsOk8866

I can tell I’m just gonna waste my breath here.


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VitaminTea

Maybe I'm being silly 🤪 but imo the six year stretch where he was a top-3 Norris finisher every season was actually Hedman's prime


KarlachBestGirl

And a career worst defensive year.


DoinWhale

You haven’t watched Hedman’s career if you think this was his worst lmfao sit this one out


Relevant_Interests

We just cleared nearly 12mil. Stammer isnt going anywhere


TrueNorthStrong1898

Letting a 34 year old PP merchant go for Guentzel would be the right choice honestly


Thrallsbuttplug

Missing some context there but sure if you want to look at it like that.


nodarknesswillendure

They can keep Stamkos and sign Guentzel too


SiidChawsby

Taking a page out of San Hose’s playbook


Burgergold

Actually its the best choice for both side. I couls see BOS overpaying for Stammy 2-3-4 years


goatzlaf

Ducks will sign him to a $9x6 or something similarly asinine


mikesully374826

Can you just give everyone else a turn Tampa?


inquisitorautry

No


NebraskaAvenue

We’re so back


Codc

Forgive me for being ignorant, but I thought your problems last season were due to poor D (and Vasi playing slightly worse), not lacking offense? how does trading Sergachev and bringing a winger help here?


Hosby91

All these moves are exciting/wild, but yes I’m in the same boat. I liked the mcdonagh trade even tho I think we shouldn’t have traded him in the first place. JBB has to be doing something on D. On one hand getting guentzel would help out secondary scoring tremendously, which lacked in the playoffs. Assuming stammer is also back, the top 6 could look like some combination of Guentz - Point - Kuch Stammer - Cirelli - Hagel D would still have me very concerned though.


beardum

If Jake Guentzel is secondary scoring for you, scoring is not a problem or a need.


NebraskaAvenue

Kuch goes brrrrrrrrr


NebraskaAvenue

Hedman Raddysh McD Cernak Insert league minimum guys here as third pair


schwetybalz

Emil Lilliberg is going to be back I imagine


Dubstep_Duck

I’m cool with that. I liked his play.


omfgkevin

Moser will probably slot in the top 4.


NebraskaAvenue

Over Hedman and McD? Nah


KILLER_IF

Tbh tho, Serg has never been great defensively lol. We dont win 2 cups without him. One of my fav players but he has struggled on defense


UncleTrapspringer

I’m always curious about comments like these after a player gets moved. I went and looked at Sergachev’s underlying numbers on moneypuck for the last two seasons and he’s actually .. pretty good defensively? His On Ice High Danger Shots Against per 60 is lower than Hedman and Cernak and his On Ice Expected Goals Against per 60 minutes is the best of the Lightnings top 6 d. This is true for both 2023-24 and 2022-23. Most of his offensive stats are in the same realm as Hedman too. His 2021-22 was similar, less expected goals than Hedman but Hedman seems to be better at getting shots through. Overall he’s not really a colossal defensive liability like these comments seem to make him out to be. And he’s not really as dynamic offensively as he’s said. Interesting stuff really.


PSChris33

He’s a Russian Jake Gardiner. Good underlying numbers and good at transitioning play and tilting the ice in your favor. But when he fucks up, he does it in such catastrophic fashion that it ends up in your net.


TanyaMKX

Pst hey Most tampa fans dont understand hockey and just Parrot whatever BS other tampa fans say. Sergy was a fucking stud, with excellent 2 way play, and in 2022 he made way less fuck ups than McD so frankly im not convinced most tampa fans even watch the games lol


MrClutch86

Sergachev doesn't really play defense like that unfortunately. McDonagh is a much better actual defender.


steelhorizon

We don't win 2 cups without McD. Dude was a wall in the playoffs.


Thrallsbuttplug

Don't win them without Serg either


Darkendevil

No, but with the current team structure/contracts McD is more valuable.


SwagFondue

Our issues were defense and 5v5 - our forward depth was non-existence and our defense was insanely top heavy. Sergy is a great player, but is certainly offensive first (and paying 8.5m for a pp2 defenseman isn't optimal), trading him gives us an opportunity to try to solve both problems.


NebraskaAvenue

Honestly not having Vasi till December really put us behind the 8 ball and I think JBB realized Sergachev extension was a mistake


bobjohnsonO78

The sergachev trade brought in a 24 year old defenseman, along with us bringing McD back (a much more defensively solid player). Add Guentz to the top 6, and Kuch doesn’t have to carry the team on his back again. Kuch did most of the offensive work this year


hockeyiskinglol

They got Moser back another LHD btw


Jlindahl93

Sergy barely played last year due to injury, JBB also brought back McDonagh


Wonderful_Grade_5476

I hope that original deal didn’t piss him off enough to not sign on or else you’ll be losing stammer and stamkos Why am I being downvoted? I’m saying Tampa losing stamkos would be like cutting one of the hearts of the team out


Howardtheduck14

Well you probably can’t lose BOTH stammer and stamkos, don’t think that’s possible haha. But honestly, I don’t think you’re wrong thinking it might irk him. They continually prioritize everyone else and hope he’ll take a sweetheart deal, it’s easily possible he’s had enough and has moved on.


rickayyy

Yeah, losing Stammer AND Stamkos will be real tough


ObscureWiticism

To be fair, keeping one without the other would be impossible.


Wonderful_Grade_5476

I hope not he got y’all 2 stanly cups and been captain since 2015 (I think?) that deal was well my dad (who was also baffled and upset about it he’s a leafs fan also) would put it “a huge insult” it would be heartbreaking seeing him go tbh


Delta_Flow

Hey, how about you fucking don't please


lawnicus18

No, they’re going to overpay Jeff Skinner


PasswordMustContain

$3milx7 for Skinner, their plan all along!


KILLER_IF

He has never lost in the playoffs.


Bennett_19

No


NebraskaAvenue


smikkelson2

I will go fistfight Brisebois myself. I will lose but I think my point will have been made


thatsong

I dunno, Tampa could also take all that money and sign Matt Murray


ScrewOff_

just keep Stamkos and screw off


Slayerkid13

Not a Bolts fan but this makes no sense. Trade a great young dman so you can sign an older winger and let your longtime captain walk?


TarpsOffBoys

WHY WONT YOU DIE?!?!!!


AngryGuitarist

It's our turn with the Guentzel


Turbulent_System_446

Looks like I’m going to be needed in the canes lineup next year better work on my skating


JarethCutestoryJuD

My thought was Chychrun. They were rumoured to be in on Hanifin, and Chychrun has ties to hockey in Florida so I expect he would be interested in extending there


88Sephiroth88

The Bolts Last Dance


NatalieDeegan

Oh fuck right off.


NightmanComethereum

Clearing out huge albatross contract seems good


toolschism

Sergs contract was absolutely not an albatross. Did he quite live up to expectations? No. But he's still a solid dman who played a metric shit ton of shutdown minutes and had a solid offensive upside. Slightly overpaid but not horribly.


ProfessorRashibro

Dibs


waltstrika

Pls say sike right now


The_Reddit_Browser

If Carolina could just announce the re signing it would be cool. So sick of this fake news around trying to acquire him.


Cinnamon_Shops

The fact that Friedman was saying we were trying to get it done before the draft…and that he’s not signed despite us upping our offer…has me thinking he gone. Hope I’m wrong.


noreast2011

After the Tarasenko bullshit last year too, I’m guessing the canes aren’t announcing anything or letting anything leak until it’s official.


The_Reddit_Browser

These “reports” from everyone not named Friedman have been speculation and just shilling for the teams. Same thing happened at the deadline and it’s ridiculous. Until Friedman updates on the status I don’t buy any of this. Everyone wants to see him go.


Cinnamon_Shops

[well](https://x.com/nhl_watcher/status/1807087729877885186?s=46&t=XWvxAerWrH_L7aS5CR2vkw)


The_Reddit_Browser

Yah I just saw that live. 48 hours for him to think it over


Cinnamon_Shops

My hope + cope is that Guentzel plans on signing but camp is assuming we get desperate and up the offer, and he ends up signing at the 11th hour


01000101010110

The tax advantage is ridiculous. Might as well be buying in an entirely different currency.


toolschism

Funny how Tennessee, Washington, Texas, and Nevada all don't have an income tax but they never seem to get mentioned when people cry about taxes...


Gavin1453

Nevada, Texas and Tennessee do get mentioned a lot. I'm surprised I don't more about the Kraken honestly 


GrayJinjo

Yes