> BriseBois indicated Friday that franchise cornerstones Steven Stamkos and Victor Hedman were trending in different directions. Stamkos likely headed to free agency (with agent Don Meehan confirming that being the likely scenario) and Hedman to a contract extension on the first day he is eligible, July 1.
It depends entirely on who the alternative teams are. If its like California, at 8m aav that's nearly 500k. If it's like Nashville, Vegas, or Dallas there's essentially no difference.
So with Serg out, the possibility exists that not only Guentzel goes to Tampa but Stamkos comes back as well with enough money left for Duke to re-sign.
The Atlantic is shaping up to be a blood bath
This won’t work. Guentzel is asking 8mx8 and Stamkos is likely asking around 5m+ which is already 13m in cap leaving only 3.5m for Duclair who was getting paid 3m and a 6th dman.
Gotta feel for Canes fans. The Lightning wouldn't be clearing all this space for Guentzel unless they were almost certain they had the opportunity to sign him on the 1st. Which means whatever the problem that's keeping Tulsky and Jake from reaching a deal isn't likely to be resolved.
Gotta believe that Guentzel goes to UFA on Monday at this point. He knows what Carolina is willing to offer and can always fall back on that on the off chance another team can’t beat it. Their reported 8x8 isn’t that hard to beat given that analysts already have him pegged for 9-9.5m as a UFA already.
Tbf we didn’t think him staying was even a possibility until a couple of days ago when it was reported we were making a push. We were trying to trade his rights a week ago.
But it definitely sucks ass lol. Hopefully Tulsky has a backup plan.
The worst part about it is that it just seems there isn’t something to overcome. Teams willing to give him exactly what he wants and that’s still not enough.
My totally unbiased opinion is that Jake Guentzel deserves every penny he can possibly get and wherever he goes next will hopefully earn him the respect that he deserves beyond just being “guy who played with Crosby”
I doubt a first round exit to the eventual champion when he had no cap space and one of his main defenders out with injury was putting JBB on the hot seat.
And the year before it directly attributable to Vasy’s injuries. A case could be made for needing another goalie, but even then he’s been against the cap for 5 years.
I'd be okay with trying to Johansson or Tomkins as the backup again. Johansson wasn't brought in to start every game for the first two months of the season but he did well enough that we were still in the mix before Vasy came back, which is really what you hope you can get out of your backup.
Traffic and humidity is not even close comparing central Florida to NC.
Grew up in Orlando as a Lightning fan and now live in Charlotte. Sure this past week+ has been pretty hot, but it's only now like this approaching July
Florida is typically like this for 1-2 months, then it's worse, and will be for another 3-4 months.
Meanwhile late July/August it's nice enough out in Charlotte to open my car windows in the morning. Couldn't do that until December at the earliest in Orlando.
Carolina fans will lose their minds after hearing that Carolina was willing to meet his demands. That $8 mil x 8 year deal sounded all but signed.
It'll be a bummer, but i think all of us had already written him off until yesterday. Just fall back into the darkness, our old friend
Jake please. We can’t offer you no income tax but we can offer you high cost of living
The cost of living may suck but Vancouver was by far the most beautiful city I’ve visited in North America
agreed, went on a vacation in Vancouver and it was an incredible time
I wish I was surrounded by coastal mountains, fjords, and tall stratovolcanos 😭 I wonder if we can move all those to Dallas
No you’ll get your 20 lane highway on all sides and enjoy it!
Just one more lane will fix the traffic problems...just one more
Tell me you haven't been to Scranton without telling me you haven't been to Scranton.
And more rain
Flip flops in January
It’s fine, he can stay with Michael Buble.
Bublé already said guentzel can live with him https://www.reddit.com/r/canucks/s/ibBaieXuiD
what a weird day it's been
> BriseBois indicated Friday that franchise cornerstones Steven Stamkos and Victor Hedman were trending in different directions. Stamkos likely headed to free agency (with agent Don Meehan confirming that being the likely scenario) and Hedman to a contract extension on the first day he is eligible, July 1.
They’re really letting Stamkos go even after all this cap space freed up?
“indicated friday” now that these deals went through maybe this changes things
I highly doubt it EDIT: I shouldn't have doubted it apparently
I swear to God.
Florida tax going to strike again
If Guentzel is looking for an $8M the tax will give us about $150k advantage or something like that
It depends entirely on who the alternative teams are. If its like California, at 8m aav that's nearly 500k. If it's like Nashville, Vegas, or Dallas there's essentially no difference.
thought it would be way more
Depends how much they offer and if we can top up to make up the difference.
I would not understand this signing. They don't need more goalscoring? Finishing 5th overall is pretty good.
Look at the depth after Kucherov and Point though. Not to mention you may also lose Stamkos and Duclair.
100 percent this. Can’t rely on 144 point seasons from players
We don’t want to have to make kuch repeat last year and want some more depth up front
If they still aren't keeping Stamkos maybe we can get him.
That would be so weird to see
No depth, Guentzel would really help that 2nd line with Cirelli.
So with Serg out, the possibility exists that not only Guentzel goes to Tampa but Stamkos comes back as well with enough money left for Duke to re-sign. The Atlantic is shaping up to be a blood bath
>The Atlantic is shaping up to be a blood bath Uhhhh shaping up???
Assuming a strong Boston, stronger Tampa, Toronto, champion Florida team plus an ascendant Detroit and Ottawa It’s somehow gonna be worse
You say that like it isn’t a blood bath normally
I didn’t even consider having money left over for Duke 🤤 that would be a dream scenario come true if we could get all 3.
Shaping up? What’s the last six years been?
JJ Moser needs a contract too though
It's been a bloodbath for several years. The 2023 TDL arms race was absolutely bonkers.
This won’t work. Guentzel is asking 8mx8 and Stamkos is likely asking around 5m+ which is already 13m in cap leaving only 3.5m for Duclair who was getting paid 3m and a 6th dman.
I’m assuming Stamkos at 4 which is what the rumors were that he asked for. Leaves 4.5. You ask Duke to take a cut at 2.5, you have 2 for morris
Does Guentzel speak Flordianese yet?
Plenty of bath salts here to fix that
Gotta feel for Canes fans. The Lightning wouldn't be clearing all this space for Guentzel unless they were almost certain they had the opportunity to sign him on the 1st. Which means whatever the problem that's keeping Tulsky and Jake from reaching a deal isn't likely to be resolved.
Gotta believe that Guentzel goes to UFA on Monday at this point. He knows what Carolina is willing to offer and can always fall back on that on the off chance another team can’t beat it. Their reported 8x8 isn’t that hard to beat given that analysts already have him pegged for 9-9.5m as a UFA already.
8x8=64 7x9=63 6x9.5=57
Tbf we didn’t think him staying was even a possibility until a couple of days ago when it was reported we were making a push. We were trying to trade his rights a week ago. But it definitely sucks ass lol. Hopefully Tulsky has a backup plan.
The worst part about it is that it just seems there isn’t something to overcome. Teams willing to give him exactly what he wants and that’s still not enough.
I hope they don’t get Guentzel and lose stamkos
Lmao jeez.
We'll back up the brinks truck to Stammer's house
He can now sign both
How much cap space does TBL have? Can they afford Stammer at ~$4.5M and Guentzel at $8M?
After the Sergy and Jeannot trades we have just over $16m
Yes
I’m tired boss.
I rather sign more defenders after last years horrible defense.
Do it JBB, holy fuck would that be an offseason and a half. We’re so back?
No JBB, he's ours
we’ll see.
This is fun.
My totally unbiased opinion is that Jake Guentzel deserves every penny he can possibly get and wherever he goes next will hopefully earn him the respect that he deserves beyond just being “guy who played with Crosby”
[удалено]
No, no, it’s cool
I doubt a first round exit to the eventual champion when he had no cap space and one of his main defenders out with injury was putting JBB on the hot seat.
[удалено]
And the year before it directly attributable to Vasy’s injuries. A case could be made for needing another goalie, but even then he’s been against the cap for 5 years.
I'd be okay with trying to Johansson or Tomkins as the backup again. Johansson wasn't brought in to start every game for the first two months of the season but he did well enough that we were still in the mix before Vasy came back, which is really what you hope you can get out of your backup.
Just got back from Tampa. Highly over rated. Traffic sucks. Hot, humid. Florida Man.
Couldn’t handle the Tampa style 😎
I mean, all but the first and last description can be said about Raleigh too…
Traffic and humidity is not even close comparing central Florida to NC. Grew up in Orlando as a Lightning fan and now live in Charlotte. Sure this past week+ has been pretty hot, but it's only now like this approaching July Florida is typically like this for 1-2 months, then it's worse, and will be for another 3-4 months. Meanwhile late July/August it's nice enough out in Charlotte to open my car windows in the morning. Couldn't do that until December at the earliest in Orlando.
Fair enough. I just got back to Raleigh after 5 months in Santa Fe New Mexico so I’m a little sensitive right now lol.
Yeah that'll do it.
Sure, but Tampa was on another level, esp with traffic.
Fair enough. As a born and raised Raleigh-ite, I wouldn’t want to live in either long term tbh
Florida Man seems to be defensive about their shitty traffic 😂
Very spicy as hell now. Gotta think Guentzel is fine waiting 1 more day to see other offers.
Think he's willing to lose an entire year for 1 more day?
Unless Carolina offers him 8y x 9m, because he will make the same money or more on a 7year deal in UFA
Sergachev traded, Stamkos likely gone, and now the Bolts could go after Guentzel? keeping the window open
Stamkos replacement?
I think in addition to Stammer. Tampa greedy AF and I like it
This 100% now means Guentzel is signing somewhere else and not with tampa lol
Sadly yes. He’s gone
Carolina might lose Guentz and Necas. Ouf
Necas is being forced to stay if they lose Guentzel whether he likes it or not. He’s an RFA unfortunately for him
I have a feeling we end up keeping Necas tbh, unless we get a really dynamite trade offer
We would never "lose" Necas, he's an RFA, we'd get something big for him either way