It's grown super fast and doesn't seem to have established a real character imo. I like Charlotte, Wilmington, Durham, and Asheville better as far as NC goes.
Admittedly Raleigh is the only one with a hockey team. I do think Atlanta could support one if it got one with an ownership group that cared, but thatās neither here nor there.
Memphis is undoubtedly the worst ābigā city I travel to on a regular basis. Not that anyone asked.
Well Carolina never offered 8x8. Guentzel wanted 8x8, but canes said lolno. Months later, closer to FA, they say ok fine we will do the 8x8 you wanted. Guentzel said lolno, I'm just gonna test the FA in couple days. Canes fucked up big time, considering how well he meshed with the team and necas already have 1 foot out the door.Ā
You're making assumptions that it wasn't. It could always be that the agent said 8x8, Canes said absolutely and when the agent went to Jake he had changed his mind. None of us know what actually happened.
Latest tweet I read was that Carolina accepted Jake's initial ask of 8x8. Hence why everyone thought it was a done deal with the canes. However it was so close to FA Jake camp didn't sign and wanted to test the FA. Which tells me that the offer wasn't anytime recent. You're telling me once canes were out of playoffs, the GM and Jake's agent never talked at all til like last week? Lol. Also most likely why they got a 3rd out of it by trading his rights to tampa, rather than just losing him for nothing.Ā
And the tweet I read was that the 8x8 came midweek and was accepted on Thursday only for him to then decide to go to market after what is likely tampering by Tampa which is why we then got a third round pick for someone they could have had free a day later. Of course the GM and agent talked after the playoffs. That doesn't mean the 8x8 was actually the initial ask. We don't know any of the facts and likely won't. We're going to get conflicting stories from both sides.
It's still insane that the canes had to think about it and finally make their decision on Thursday. 8x8 should've got it done, considering how well he meshed with the team and necas having 1 foot out the door.
If Tampa tampered, why would Carolina help them by trading with them to receive a 3rd rather than have the NHL investigate and punish them?Ā
Also tampa traded sergachev on the 2nd day of the draft, which gave em cap space to sign geuntzel. Not wed/Thurs, it doesn't make sense that Guentzel's camp somehow knew that they had the option to sign with tampa before that got done.Ā
The NHL doesn't do shit about tampering. Tampa easily could have told him their plan Wednesday or Thursday and that they were trying to move pieces out to fit him in. He then sits on the Carolina offer to see if they can do it.
You're not making any sense and reaching far too hard to justify the fuck up lol. You're telling me that briesbois picks up his phone to call Jake Guentzel's agent AND Carolina hurricanes to notify them ahead of time that they're gonna possibly trade to make space so that they can bring in Guentzel? That's the dumbest thing briesbois can ever do, as it's very risky for his trade to fall apart, and yes that would literally be the definition of tampering. Nhl doesn't do much shit about tampering cuz gm don't make it easy, but ur telling me briesbois will make it that easy for the other party that he would want to hide the info from. Hell if he did that, I can see canes reporting it asap to the NHL and ask for far worse compensation than Stevens.Ā Ā Ā
Canes accepted Jake Guentzel's initial ask of 8x8 on Thursday, and realized there's a huge risk that he's not signing when Jake side went silent and suspected he wasn't gonna sign before monday. Yet ur telling me briesbois could've told his masterplan to canes and Guentzel's camp on wed/Thurs lol pls just stop. Why would the canes bother to even accept the offer in the first place then? Whatever bro, like u said, none of us will know for sure what happened but I can guarantee you that briesbois isn't stupid enough to leave huge evidence of tampering to the one other team that can report him for tamperingĀ and also do extra work for the canes while he had to deal with stammer and sergachev, jeannot trade and bunch of other shit.Ā
You're making up things I never said. Of course they didn't tell the Canes their plan. It's well known that there are back channels to get to the players to let them know what your offer is. It's how contracts get signed the moment free agency starts. Tampa reaches out through those channels and says we're interested and what they're willing to do. Jake's team waits to sign with the Canes and sees the moves Tampa makes on Saturday and tells Carolina he changed his mind. Had Tampa not been able to make the moves they did, there's a good chance Jake signs with us on Sunday. Everything we heard until Saturday was they were working on the details and that other teams had heard he was re-signing. Tampa contacts the Canes and offers the 3rd round pick for the rights when they could easily just wait 24 hours and just sign him. It's pretty much a sorry for tampering but it's the best you're going to get because we know the league won't do anything.
8x8=64 minus state income tax
9x7=63 without state income tax and he plays one less year.
He prolly gets more than 9 too if he isnāt going to test free agency
Without trying to do too much math or make too many assumptions, 9x7 probably gets him more actual salary in the early part of the deal, so thereās value in getting more up front.
I'm happy with it. i dont want to be signing 30 year old ufas to 9m+ 7 year contracts. we had a great season because of our depth, why move away from a winning formula
Other teams could have talked to him and offered more tomorrow. This lets Tampa get a deal done, and get everything else in house in order before UFA starts
Also lets be honest, turning down $60 million or whatever to see what happens tomorrow is a lot more difficult when you actually have a paper in front of you to sign. Even for pro athletes.
You guys did that to yourself.
Ever since the trade deadline itās been a media frenzy to push the narrative heās headed to Vancouver and he never even got close.
Some of us *actually* lost him.
You think thatās bad? We just won 3 cups in a row with him in my imagination. Losing him for a 3rd that didnāt even go to us after he won all those Conn Smyths is truly devastating.
Of course we did it to ourselves. That's how free agency works. You hope your team signs player X, and sometimes they don't. No one cares how "close" he got lol. It doesn't change that we wanted him.
>he never even got close
Man you must know him personally since Vancouver was reported as one of the top teams in the mix to get him which is what that storyline was based on.
What exactly does this mean in regards to the collective Penguins fans dream of the Pens signing him and coming away with all of Guentzel, Bunting, the 2nd in 2024, Koivunen, Ponomarev and Lucius from that trade???
As soon as he left I didn't think he'd come back. I wanted him to but I knew there wasn't a chance in hell. I'm still sad that Crosby lost his hockey son but I'm sure Jake will be killer with the stupid Bolts.
I never expected him to sign with us, but also didnāt expect that I would be unable to root for him so soon afterwards. I was good with him staying in Carolina or even Vancouver. But Tampa? Youāre on the list now, Jake.
The reason the details were being hammered is because Tampa totally didnāt tamper lol, the 3rd was just a sweetener to āhumbly request Carolina to not report us for tamperingā.
I was born and grew up in Florida.. getting to live in Florida really isn't the selling point most people think. However, I do recognize it may be different if you're a millionaire. š¤·
Those Tampa players are living the dream - a ton of them live on the same neighborhood in the Bay and Iām pretty sure they can literally jetski to the arena for practice š
Yeah, I know, they all live out on Davis Island. But for the first rest of us native Floridians, we have to suffer the rednecks, meth heads, and Florida Man. š
Buttt you play for a team with really limited contention. I get thereās a middle ground but I imagine if he wanted to play in florida he could have done that.
He was a rental trade for a couple months and canes reportedly offered 8x8. He didnāt want to be here.
Pittsburgh traded him in the first place because he wanted to hit the market for a big payday.
He doesnāt want a Cup in his lifetime, huh? Bolts are on the downswing
EDIT: Didnāt realize he played with the Pens for the second cup of their back-to-backs. Let me amend myself.
He doesnāt want a second Cup in his lifetime, huh?
EDIT 2: Also glad to see this subreddit thinks that time doesnāt pass and the Canucks havenāt improved, lmfao. Try watching games outside your team
Legit. Tampa is still a contenderā¦. Anyone thinking otherwise is silly. Kuch and Jake are gonna be nasty, gonna be fun to watch. Im actually so excited for it š
Buddy finally has a playoff team and wants to shit talk the team that made 3 straight finals. Iād say this roster is better coming into 2024/25 and just as likely if not more to make it farther than yours but go off
How many Cups have you guys won in the last 10 years? When was the last time you guys made it to the Final? Ours was 3 years ago after we repeated. And we didnāt burn our city down after we lost.
I actually had to go back and edit it because it turns out he was only there for 2017. those two mid-2010s cups for the pens have sorta blurred together in my memory.
Yeah, I feel you. Back to back cups do that a bit - I never remember who was on the Boltsā two cup teams aside from the big names who were on both like Vasi, Stamkos, Hedman etc.
And Pat Maroon, because what a story.
Hell of a playoff performer for sure. I donāt think heāll be enough to keep Tampa in the Cup picture but heāll improve them for sure.
Frankly I feel that if he had come to Vancouver the Canucks would have been Cup contenders *this coming season* - Pettersson having a good winger (instead of Mikheyevā¦) would have been night and day. Would they win? I dunno, Iām not psychic, I just think the Canucks with Guentzel would have a better chance than the Bolts with Guentzel.
> Details have been hard to come by as Tampa has other moving parts Hey quick question frank what do you mean by that
I feel in my bones there's one more twist in this tale, and I don't think it's Stammer coming back either.
"Let me cook" -JBB, apparently
# Brayden Point is coming home.
You shut your mouth.
For Huberdeau and a 6th
Now it's your turn to shut your mouth. Lol
If it really happened huby would hit 100 points again š¤£
Florida weather gets him going it seems!
The audacity
You whore
Not a chance
Can't wait to see Guentzel on the Canucks by tomorrow.
Your captain has fled the coop. Plz not to vegas
This should be interesting after Carolina offered an 8x8
Canes: How come he donāt want me man
Raleigh kinda blows now. I get it.
Itās genuinely one of the cities of all time
I don't think I know a single thing about it. What makes it so? Sell it well and I may just visit!
My comment is insinuating that Raleigh is just ok, nothing really bad nor great, just ok.
It's grown super fast and doesn't seem to have established a real character imo. I like Charlotte, Wilmington, Durham, and Asheville better as far as NC goes.
I genuinely donāt know what the young guys on the team do for fun here. Golf I guess...
I dunno, I travel a lot for work across the southeast and itās better than a lot of places I end up.
How many of those places have hockey teams?
Admittedly Raleigh is the only one with a hockey team. I do think Atlanta could support one if it got one with an ownership group that cared, but thatās neither here nor there. Memphis is undoubtedly the worst ābigā city I travel to on a regular basis. Not that anyone asked.
Hey, I went to a concert there very recently, and fwiw I still enjoy Raleigh as much as I did 5 years ago. I like your town.
7X8.5 is going to be hilarious
Well Carolina never offered 8x8. Guentzel wanted 8x8, but canes said lolno. Months later, closer to FA, they say ok fine we will do the 8x8 you wanted. Guentzel said lolno, I'm just gonna test the FA in couple days. Canes fucked up big time, considering how well he meshed with the team and necas already have 1 foot out the door.Ā
The latest tweets indicate the 8x8 was a recent ask on his part. As in this last week and not months. We'll probably never know the truth though.
Carolina shouldāve met the 8x8 ask the second it was dropped. Thatās not an offer you sleep on.
You're making assumptions that it wasn't. It could always be that the agent said 8x8, Canes said absolutely and when the agent went to Jake he had changed his mind. None of us know what actually happened.
Latest tweet I read was that Carolina accepted Jake's initial ask of 8x8. Hence why everyone thought it was a done deal with the canes. However it was so close to FA Jake camp didn't sign and wanted to test the FA. Which tells me that the offer wasn't anytime recent. You're telling me once canes were out of playoffs, the GM and Jake's agent never talked at all til like last week? Lol. Also most likely why they got a 3rd out of it by trading his rights to tampa, rather than just losing him for nothing.Ā
And the tweet I read was that the 8x8 came midweek and was accepted on Thursday only for him to then decide to go to market after what is likely tampering by Tampa which is why we then got a third round pick for someone they could have had free a day later. Of course the GM and agent talked after the playoffs. That doesn't mean the 8x8 was actually the initial ask. We don't know any of the facts and likely won't. We're going to get conflicting stories from both sides.
It's still insane that the canes had to think about it and finally make their decision on Thursday. 8x8 should've got it done, considering how well he meshed with the team and necas having 1 foot out the door. If Tampa tampered, why would Carolina help them by trading with them to receive a 3rd rather than have the NHL investigate and punish them?Ā Also tampa traded sergachev on the 2nd day of the draft, which gave em cap space to sign geuntzel. Not wed/Thurs, it doesn't make sense that Guentzel's camp somehow knew that they had the option to sign with tampa before that got done.Ā
The NHL doesn't do shit about tampering. Tampa easily could have told him their plan Wednesday or Thursday and that they were trying to move pieces out to fit him in. He then sits on the Carolina offer to see if they can do it.
You're not making any sense and reaching far too hard to justify the fuck up lol. You're telling me that briesbois picks up his phone to call Jake Guentzel's agent AND Carolina hurricanes to notify them ahead of time that they're gonna possibly trade to make space so that they can bring in Guentzel? That's the dumbest thing briesbois can ever do, as it's very risky for his trade to fall apart, and yes that would literally be the definition of tampering. Nhl doesn't do much shit about tampering cuz gm don't make it easy, but ur telling me briesbois will make it that easy for the other party that he would want to hide the info from. Hell if he did that, I can see canes reporting it asap to the NHL and ask for far worse compensation than Stevens.Ā Ā Ā Canes accepted Jake Guentzel's initial ask of 8x8 on Thursday, and realized there's a huge risk that he's not signing when Jake side went silent and suspected he wasn't gonna sign before monday. Yet ur telling me briesbois could've told his masterplan to canes and Guentzel's camp on wed/Thurs lol pls just stop. Why would the canes bother to even accept the offer in the first place then? Whatever bro, like u said, none of us will know for sure what happened but I can guarantee you that briesbois isn't stupid enough to leave huge evidence of tampering to the one other team that can report him for tamperingĀ and also do extra work for the canes while he had to deal with stammer and sergachev, jeannot trade and bunch of other shit.Ā
You're making up things I never said. Of course they didn't tell the Canes their plan. It's well known that there are back channels to get to the players to let them know what your offer is. It's how contracts get signed the moment free agency starts. Tampa reaches out through those channels and says we're interested and what they're willing to do. Jake's team waits to sign with the Canes and sees the moves Tampa makes on Saturday and tells Carolina he changed his mind. Had Tampa not been able to make the moves they did, there's a good chance Jake signs with us on Sunday. Everything we heard until Saturday was they were working on the details and that other teams had heard he was re-signing. Tampa contacts the Canes and offers the 3rd round pick for the rights when they could easily just wait 24 hours and just sign him. It's pretty much a sorry for tampering but it's the best you're going to get because we know the league won't do anything.
Maybe Carolinaās offer isnāt made up mostly in signing bonus. Players prefer signing bonuses over salary
The Canes should still sign Stamkos for the drama
That would ease the pain a bit.
You know...I hope we can keep stammer, but if we can't I wouldn't mind him ending up on the canes.
I mean at least look at the numbers first
He had 40 goals. Lol.
Yeah, Stammer is far from washed. Ā
would fix their powerplay for sure stamkos literally drilled us on every powerplay
Better than 8x8?
Guessing 9x7
So no then. 64>63
63+ the first year whatever contract he gets next.
63 > 61 (after income tax) š
We can only sign him to 7 years
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Tampa can't offer anything 8yrs.
8x8=64 minus state income tax 9x7=63 without state income tax and he plays one less year. He prolly gets more than 9 too if he isnāt going to test free agency
Without trying to do too much math or make too many assumptions, 9x7 probably gets him more actual salary in the early part of the deal, so thereās value in getting more up front.
8x8 could be structured just as front heavy. That's a moot point. Taxes are the real (slight in the grand scheme) difference.
Less than 4% difference
yeah $64m in NC is less than 64 in Tampa. but it's closer to FL taxes than NYC or CA.
I wonder if he'll pull a Gaudreau and leave money on the table? That, or Tampa's gonna offer him a king's ransom.
*sad Canucks noises*
You know that sad noise the orca makes in Free Willy? Thatās me right now.
I'm happy with it. i dont want to be signing 30 year old ufas to 9m+ 7 year contracts. we had a great season because of our depth, why move away from a winning formula
Couldnāt they have just waited till tomorrow to talk to him without giving up a 3rd?
Eh, the third is effectively a ādonāt call us out for tampering and weāll pay youā
This is what i've read. I just don't remember if it was some random redditor that said it or someone who actually knows.
Itās also a dibs on calling out people for tampering
Entirely BS speculation on my part but I am also of the opinion the 3rd was paid as compensation for some pretty obvious tampering
Other teams could have talked to him and offered more tomorrow. This lets Tampa get a deal done, and get everything else in house in order before UFA starts
Also lets be honest, turning down $60 million or whatever to see what happens tomorrow is a lot more difficult when you actually have a paper in front of you to sign. Even for pro athletes.
Hey, thanks I hate it.
This is pure unadulterated sadness as a Canuck fan.
A true Canucks fan would know that that's what you should have expected.
TouchƩ. Why even bother living at this point.
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Whale team sad? :'(
Trust the process
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Just fell to my knees in Rogers Arena
You guys did that to yourself. Ever since the trade deadline itās been a media frenzy to push the narrative heās headed to Vancouver and he never even got close. Some of us *actually* lost him.
You think thatās bad? We just won 3 cups in a row with him in my imagination. Losing him for a 3rd that didnāt even go to us after he won all those Conn Smyths is truly devastating.
Of course we did it to ourselves. That's how free agency works. You hope your team signs player X, and sometimes they don't. No one cares how "close" he got lol. It doesn't change that we wanted him.
Just wait til you see how we react to Reinhart signing in Florida.
>he never even got close Man you must know him personally since Vancouver was reported as one of the top teams in the mix to get him which is what that storyline was based on.
Pretty close to a buzzer beater at this point.
Have until noon tomorrow, as far as I understand.
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Lovely
I am a fan of this
*sad Carolina noises*
Productive day could mean for Stammer and Guentzel šš»
In my imagination JBB had to keep juggling calls between the two before landing on a deal for both
My hopes are immeasurably (and unrealistically) high
pain and suffering
I puke
Canucks fans in shambles
Nah, real canucks fans knew it wouldn't happen lol.
lol, was such a long shot.
lmao yeah what silly people getting all worked up.
Barf
Time for the Bolts to blow up the market before it even starts
4 hours and still no confirmation from a real source?
What exactly does this mean in regards to the collective Penguins fans dream of the Pens signing him and coming away with all of Guentzel, Bunting, the 2nd in 2024, Koivunen, Ponomarev and Lucius from that trade???
As soon as he left I didn't think he'd come back. I wanted him to but I knew there wasn't a chance in hell. I'm still sad that Crosby lost his hockey son but I'm sure Jake will be killer with the stupid Bolts.
The real Guentzel is the friends you made along the way
That can still happenā¦.in NHL 24
I never expected him to sign with us, but also didnāt expect that I would be unable to root for him so soon afterwards. I was good with him staying in Carolina or even Vancouver. But Tampa? Youāre on the list now, Jake.
We agreed to his terms too, Tampa. We were also waiting to āhammer out the detailsā. Donāt trust him until itās inked
I donāt trust anyone these past few days
Not at all. This weekend has been insane
The reason the details were being hammered is because Tampa totally didnāt tamper lol, the 3rd was just a sweetener to āhumbly request Carolina to not report us for tamperingā.
Its over man lol
Well NOW itās over. But I was skeptical until they made it official
$8.5M x7 is my prediction for the contract
that's a pretty big pay cut for guentzel compared to what his open market rate is. must really love tampa bay if that's what he signs
Itās probably $1M or so less than I would have guessed, but no state income tax helps make up a little of the difference
No tax state though, and you get to live in Florida.
I was born and grew up in Florida.. getting to live in Florida really isn't the selling point most people think. However, I do recognize it may be different if you're a millionaire. š¤·
Those Tampa players are living the dream - a ton of them live on the same neighborhood in the Bay and Iām pretty sure they can literally jetski to the arena for practice š
Yeah, I know, they all live out on Davis Island. But for the first rest of us native Floridians, we have to suffer the rednecks, meth heads, and Florida Man. š
They practice at Amalie rather than a separate facility?
As hockey players they get to GTFO in the summer lol
Getting to live in Florida is a downside lol
Not if you're a millionaire
Buttt you play for a team with really limited contention. I get thereās a middle ground but I imagine if he wanted to play in florida he could have done that.
Thatās less than the deal he rejected from us. He had $64 million on the table in CAR; I fully expect something in the 9-9.5x7 range from Tampa.
He doesn't make more than kuch or point, because he isn't kuch or point. He'll be 4th/5th on our pay chart.
Its 9 by 7
;)
The reunion dream is dead. Thanks for 2017. š«”
Well, at least we got a 3rd for our rental.
Bye bye Stamkos (Officially)
This still isn't official tho
Ew
Just happy he isn't on the Canucks
And we will all laugh when Drai's and McDavid walk also
Better have his head on a swivel when they play the Canes next season. Fuck him and his fucking agent.
lol nobody's going to be hunting him down if that's what you're saying. players understand it's just business.
What are they going to dive on him?
He was a rental trade for a couple months and canes reportedly offered 8x8. He didnāt want to be here. Pittsburgh traded him in the first place because he wanted to hit the market for a big payday.
I donāt like thisā¦
Kucherov Guentzel could be very scary!
Yeah guentzel 50 goal season incoming
Why?
He doesnāt want a Cup in his lifetime, huh? Bolts are on the downswing EDIT: Didnāt realize he played with the Pens for the second cup of their back-to-backs. Let me amend myself. He doesnāt want a second Cup in his lifetime, huh? EDIT 2: Also glad to see this subreddit thinks that time doesnāt pass and the Canucks havenāt improved, lmfao. Try watching games outside your team
Yeah he should go to Vancouver so he can continuously lose in the second round
Legit. Tampa is still a contenderā¦. Anyone thinking otherwise is silly. Kuch and Jake are gonna be nasty, gonna be fun to watch. Im actually so excited for it š
As opposed to the first round which is so much better
Buddy finally has a playoff team and wants to shit talk the team that made 3 straight finals. Iād say this roster is better coming into 2024/25 and just as likely if not more to make it farther than yours but go off
Buddy thinks itās still 2021 and still doesnāt have a flair, go home
How many Cups have you guys won in the last 10 years? When was the last time you guys made it to the Final? Ours was 3 years ago after we repeated. And we didnāt burn our city down after we lost.
Itās still 2021 to you huh
it is to me :'(
Tampa is closer to another cup than Vancouver is, you must be seething knowing that lmfaoo
he doesn't. he actually has a portal to 2015 and he's going to walk through it and sabotage his cup
Christ, he was in the league then? For some reason my sense of time is so screwed that I thought he started after the Pens won their Cups
I actually had to go back and edit it because it turns out he was only there for 2017. those two mid-2010s cups for the pens have sorta blurred together in my memory.
Yeah, I feel you. Back to back cups do that a bit - I never remember who was on the Boltsā two cup teams aside from the big names who were on both like Vasi, Stamkos, Hedman etc. And Pat Maroon, because what a story.
He already has one
Yeah, mentioned elsewhere that I didnāt realize he played in the playoffs for the second of the back to back cups (2017?). Thanks for the catch
Yeah heās been a really good playoff performer even in his rookie year
Try knowing more about hockeyĀ
Not only did he play for that cup run his rookie year, but he scored 13 goals and 21 points
Hell of a playoff performer for sure. I donāt think heāll be enough to keep Tampa in the Cup picture but heāll improve them for sure. Frankly I feel that if he had come to Vancouver the Canucks would have been Cup contenders *this coming season* - Pettersson having a good winger (instead of Mikheyevā¦) would have been night and day. Would they win? I dunno, Iām not psychic, I just think the Canucks with Guentzel would have a better chance than the Bolts with Guentzel.
Maybe but they're still better than you guys.
Lmao wait until the Oilers win a game against our starting goalie again and then weāll talk
I miss this already hahaa, can't wait buddy!
Yeah Iām looking forward to next season too. Gonna be a good one for both our teams.
Blessed health for both sides šand as always...fuck the Knights.
Damn right fuck the Knights
Ahhh yes the history mid Canucks have a better chance to win the cup over one of the best run organizations since they were founded.
Still living up the glory days from three years ago huh? Win a playoff series next year and maybe Iāll change my tune
At least they have glory days.
Fuck Tampa, all my homies hate Tampa