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Relationship charts can seem contradictory until you separate out what e.g. Lord 1, the Moon and that person's other cosignificator mean individually. Remember that (keeping it simple) the Lords are the minds of the querent and quesited, the Moon is the querent's emotions/heart and Venus and the Sun are their 'animal selves', often them as sexual beings.
In your example:
1. Sun (his 'animal man' self) in Virgo likes Mercury, as it's in Mercury's domicile and exaltation. He likes her as a person.
2. Mercury (Lord 1) is dazzled by the Sun, but its combustion is disempowered by it happening in a sign Mercury rules. We can assume Mercury (her mind) thinks the Sun is sexy.
3. The Sun sits in the fall of Venus - his animal man side doesn't find her terribly sexually attractive - at least compared to how he feels about her as a person.
4. The Sun sits in the detriment of Lord 7 - he's in his own detriment, so he's knocking himself down.
Where Lord 7 is will be a factor, too - what does Lord 7 think and feel about Lord 1, the Moon or Venus in the chart?
It's not contradiction, just complexity. I've read plenty of charts where (for example) the querent finds the man she's asking about dazzlingly sexy but he's a bit of a bad guy. He likes her back, but and doesn't want to have sex with her as it might cramp his style if he gets into something serious.
You need to apply the context of the chart, use it and the positions of the planets to apply a (strict and not overly imaginative) narrative in which each 'character' (querent and quesited, usually) are a certain way (usually dignity and debility) think and feel certain things in a variety of ways (receptions between all of their respective significators), and then either act on them or don't (aspects or lack thereof).
Thank you Kidcubby! It was a chart that I had seen on an online forum when I was looking for charts that has known answers - the chart itself was pretty recent so Jupiter was in Taurus - which confused me even more as there was clearly some disagreement with Venus. If I remember clearly - I will have to go searching for the link for the chart - Moon was in Aries and Venus was in Leo. I know Frawley had mentioned not to underestimate the power of Sun/Venus but how do you balance those testimonies? Most of the comments seemed to follow Lee Lehman approach to Horary which has confused me even more as it seemed like they went all over the chart.
Yeah Lee Lehman's students seem to go down a very complex route. It's not entirely without merit but horary is generally best kept simple, in my opinion.
You don't have to balance testimonies that are really about different things - you can read them separately. While the querent and quesited are each single individuals, like all of us they each have different parts of their nature that can feel different, sometimes seemingly conflicting things.
Imagine a possible paramour. The querent has some conflicting feelings so wants to know if it's worth pursuing anything further:
The querent finds them really sexy - heart races, sweaty palms and all that. But, they went to dinner and the love interest was rude to the waiter. If they're dismissive of people like that, the querent doesn't much like their personality. Also, they're a bit emotionally shut off so the querent can't read them very well. Even with two red flags they are very, very hot, and the querent wonders if the bad stuff overrides that, so I cast a chart. Moreover, the querent wonders if they are liked in return, given how hard to read the quesited is.
That is a person with a strong interest one way and strong dislike another. It's really quite common when you boil down how complex human relationships are.
Maybe there's a combust significator dazzled by the Sun, ignoring negative receptions with Lord 7's bad personality. If it's Venus, we're looking at a querent who is so horny she's probably not thinking straight. If it's the Moon, maybe her romantic, emotional side is a bit turned on by this brooding, rude personality despite her rational side knowing better. If Lord 1 is the combust planet, maybe the querent's usual common sense has been 'burnt up' by her attraction.
Romance charts are hard like this! It's why you'll need more practice with them than almost any other kind of chart.
Remember to be cautious with charts found online. Plenty of them are from querents with almost no idea what to do, meaning they shouldn't have cast charts for themselves in the first place.
That makes a lot more sense! One last question - in the example I mentioned L7 loves Venus but the sun hates it. While I understand it in the general sense his thoughts love Venus but his man side hates it I don't understand how to put it into real life (Which you seem to excel at!) I have been looking for a book of horary charts as I don't want to learn bad habits on bad charts - I know Frawley has one but it seems to be out of print - do you have any that you recommend?
If you mean *Horary Examples* it's pretty good and may still be available second hand. *Warnock's Horary Casebook* might be a good alternative, but I found the former more useful than the latter.
As for putting it into real life, this is a good excuse to make a challenge of it. Lay out your significators, noting what they tend to mean and then write bullet points for each - Lord 1 likes/hates/is indifferent to Lord 7, but loves the Sun. Do this for each relevant planet then try to apply it to the context provided. Often there will be very few or just one sensible combination of context and reception to be had. It is a good way to refine your narrative understanding of horary, and get past the 'cookbook' stage of 'he loves you but also doesn't'.
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Relationship charts can seem contradictory until you separate out what e.g. Lord 1, the Moon and that person's other cosignificator mean individually. Remember that (keeping it simple) the Lords are the minds of the querent and quesited, the Moon is the querent's emotions/heart and Venus and the Sun are their 'animal selves', often them as sexual beings. In your example: 1. Sun (his 'animal man' self) in Virgo likes Mercury, as it's in Mercury's domicile and exaltation. He likes her as a person. 2. Mercury (Lord 1) is dazzled by the Sun, but its combustion is disempowered by it happening in a sign Mercury rules. We can assume Mercury (her mind) thinks the Sun is sexy. 3. The Sun sits in the fall of Venus - his animal man side doesn't find her terribly sexually attractive - at least compared to how he feels about her as a person. 4. The Sun sits in the detriment of Lord 7 - he's in his own detriment, so he's knocking himself down. Where Lord 7 is will be a factor, too - what does Lord 7 think and feel about Lord 1, the Moon or Venus in the chart? It's not contradiction, just complexity. I've read plenty of charts where (for example) the querent finds the man she's asking about dazzlingly sexy but he's a bit of a bad guy. He likes her back, but and doesn't want to have sex with her as it might cramp his style if he gets into something serious. You need to apply the context of the chart, use it and the positions of the planets to apply a (strict and not overly imaginative) narrative in which each 'character' (querent and quesited, usually) are a certain way (usually dignity and debility) think and feel certain things in a variety of ways (receptions between all of their respective significators), and then either act on them or don't (aspects or lack thereof).
Thank you Kidcubby! It was a chart that I had seen on an online forum when I was looking for charts that has known answers - the chart itself was pretty recent so Jupiter was in Taurus - which confused me even more as there was clearly some disagreement with Venus. If I remember clearly - I will have to go searching for the link for the chart - Moon was in Aries and Venus was in Leo. I know Frawley had mentioned not to underestimate the power of Sun/Venus but how do you balance those testimonies? Most of the comments seemed to follow Lee Lehman approach to Horary which has confused me even more as it seemed like they went all over the chart.
Yeah Lee Lehman's students seem to go down a very complex route. It's not entirely without merit but horary is generally best kept simple, in my opinion. You don't have to balance testimonies that are really about different things - you can read them separately. While the querent and quesited are each single individuals, like all of us they each have different parts of their nature that can feel different, sometimes seemingly conflicting things. Imagine a possible paramour. The querent has some conflicting feelings so wants to know if it's worth pursuing anything further: The querent finds them really sexy - heart races, sweaty palms and all that. But, they went to dinner and the love interest was rude to the waiter. If they're dismissive of people like that, the querent doesn't much like their personality. Also, they're a bit emotionally shut off so the querent can't read them very well. Even with two red flags they are very, very hot, and the querent wonders if the bad stuff overrides that, so I cast a chart. Moreover, the querent wonders if they are liked in return, given how hard to read the quesited is. That is a person with a strong interest one way and strong dislike another. It's really quite common when you boil down how complex human relationships are. Maybe there's a combust significator dazzled by the Sun, ignoring negative receptions with Lord 7's bad personality. If it's Venus, we're looking at a querent who is so horny she's probably not thinking straight. If it's the Moon, maybe her romantic, emotional side is a bit turned on by this brooding, rude personality despite her rational side knowing better. If Lord 1 is the combust planet, maybe the querent's usual common sense has been 'burnt up' by her attraction. Romance charts are hard like this! It's why you'll need more practice with them than almost any other kind of chart. Remember to be cautious with charts found online. Plenty of them are from querents with almost no idea what to do, meaning they shouldn't have cast charts for themselves in the first place.
That makes a lot more sense! One last question - in the example I mentioned L7 loves Venus but the sun hates it. While I understand it in the general sense his thoughts love Venus but his man side hates it I don't understand how to put it into real life (Which you seem to excel at!) I have been looking for a book of horary charts as I don't want to learn bad habits on bad charts - I know Frawley has one but it seems to be out of print - do you have any that you recommend?
If you mean *Horary Examples* it's pretty good and may still be available second hand. *Warnock's Horary Casebook* might be a good alternative, but I found the former more useful than the latter. As for putting it into real life, this is a good excuse to make a challenge of it. Lay out your significators, noting what they tend to mean and then write bullet points for each - Lord 1 likes/hates/is indifferent to Lord 7, but loves the Sun. Do this for each relevant planet then try to apply it to the context provided. Often there will be very few or just one sensible combination of context and reception to be had. It is a good way to refine your narrative understanding of horary, and get past the 'cookbook' stage of 'he loves you but also doesn't'.
Thank you Kidcubby! I'll see if I could find either and I'll try that out! I appreciate it!