Ed Wood’s Orgy of the Dead (1965) is more burlesque than porn but probably fits into this topic. The Case of the Smiling Stiffs/Case of the Full Moon Murders (1973) is a skin flick with a vampire
Regarding Silip: Daughters of Eve, Wikipedia has this to say:
>Sarsi Emmanuelle and Maria Isabel Lopez claimed that they had been almost raped for real while filming a scene in this movie. Sarsi reportedly suffered a nervous breakdown and had to be hospitalized for a week
So not really a positive example of this type of film I'm afraid
What does “almost raped” mean?
Was it almost going to happen and it ended up not happening?
Was the act or did the act felt like a rape at first but then it wasn’t?
I’m confused to what it means. Because if someone says “I went down that alley and almost got raped” I know what it means.
But during filming of a movie where these scenes are being shot and you know what it it’s going to be like, specifying what “almost” means might make or break the movie here
From IMDB
"When this movie was released, Sarsi Emmanuelle and Maria Isabel Lopez claimed that they had been almost raped for real while filming a scene. Sarsi reportedly suffered a nervous breakdown and had to be hospitalized for a week. Maria Isabel would show her rope burns to anybody who was interested. In 2007 Maria Isabel Lopez recalled what happened: "In one scene we were tied and in a tent, and there were a group of men who were going to gang rape us. And I cannot imagine why they really tied us so hard. So I said, 'This is too much, this is too painful!' And I realized that they wanted us to struggle - like Elwood Perez motivated the actors to attempt to really touch us, and that we would be angry, he wanted to show that anger. So I actually resented Elwood for a while after that scene. But of course I also got over it. I finally understood the director's intentions.""
We Are The Flesh (2016) is a weird art-house film with unsimulated sex (and masturbation) in it.
Though I saw it at FrightFest, it's on the almost-not-horror end of horror (but is very weird).
The visuals are very inspired by classic horror like the early Universal stuff and The Old Dark House, yet it still has the underground 70’s vibe that really floats my cinematic boat. Plus, the dialogue is made up of lengthy, whacked-out monologues that are performed with unbridled intensity. It’s like Pink Flamingos directed by James Whale.
Does Antichrist count? I was going to recommend it as a joke at first because of the extreme sexual violence that happens and leave a warning (seriously it’s…. A lot) but it also opens with actual full penetration so the more I think about it the more I feel like it absolutely is what you are looking for. You’ve been warned.
Came here to say Forced Entry. Funny story I only know about this movie because a gore/porno grind band used a ton of clips from it on one of their albums.
I love everything happening in this thread, thank you OP for asking it, am learning a lot.
I recently watched the other movie by Thriller director and it was like alright. End twist was sort of meh. Violence too aside from the climax was pedestrian.
Breaking Point is the name of the film.
>Thriller director
It took me too long to realize you weren't talking about John Landis. I was like, sure, the climax of American Werewolf In London is set in a porno theater, and he gets naked more often than you'd expect, but I wouldn't call the movie porn.
Thriller is one I slipped past my parents as a teenager during the Netflix dvd queue days, because it was unrated and they were only keeping an eye on what R rated movies I was watching. It was definitely something.
The Beast (1975) is a strange case for this topic. There is no unsimulated sex between the actors AFAIK, but it does feature certains acts that aren't shown explicitly in softcore (masturbation, ejaculation, etc.), albeit with a fantasy creature.
Either way, I have to say I prefer erotic horror (stuff like Vampyros Lesbos, The Devil's Honey, etc.) to hardcore pornography.
Yeah, there’s a bunch of them. I posted a list in another comment
To be fair though, I’ve never seen them. I’ll list the top rated gay porn horror on Letterboxd:
* LA plays itself (1972)
* Bijou (1972)
* Sextool (1975)
* Born to raise hell (1972)
* The destroying angel (1976)
I find most of the modern ones kind of lose their charm because they're shot in HD/4K/whatever and that shows off the skill issues a lot of the film-makers in this genre tend to have.
That said, Witchstars (2018) was kind of fun. I caught that at a screening together with Suitable Flesh (2023) earlier this year. I also enjoyed that Ti West's X went for it somewhat. Also, the only thing missing from Infinity Pool to make it from a good enjoyable movie to an excellent one for me was a good pegging scene. (This is a lie btw, this movie is perfect as is and from the moment I saw that nipple-transformed-into-a-worm hallucination I was sold on it.)
The Japanese kept the genre going for longer than anyone else. Sion Sono's stuff is very sexual, so is Takashi Miike's (when he's not directing kid's stuff that is, lol). And even there I find the classics to be better than most of the european/american stuff. Like, the Entrails Series is fantastic. So are Violated Angels, Tortured Flesh and stuff like Zero Woman: Red Handcuffs (though I suppose that skews more crime).
If you're looking also for straight up porn with a side of horror, I find the PureTaboo stuff pretty fun. They were at their best with their sci-fi-dystopia stuff during the Pandemic, but I'm also a big fan of their Alien Invasion thingie '[The Ghost Rocket](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYeveohnjOA)' and their possession/pregnancy thing '[FEED ME](https://youtu.be/UKLh3AmkmN4?si=C_vY-8qjnqtLhFXw)'.
Maybe you're just watching the wrong porn haha
Not all porn is P in V with no frills and no flair
Anyway, Entrails of a Beautiful Woman has got all the explicit fucking you seem to yearn for, so I'd recommed (re)watching that.
> Entrails of a Beautiful Woman
Yeah, that’s closer to it.
If you like Japanese pink films check out these lesser known gems:
* Terrifying Girl High School : Lynch Law Classroom
* A Haunted Turkish Bathhouse
* Yumeno Kyusaku Girl Hell
* Nuns that Bite
I'm not a huuge fan of schoolgirl related movies, but Konuma's Girl's Hell is a good one (mostly due to the heaping of religious guilt and proper romance attached to it). But here you also see why there are so few of these in modern times. Are there film-makers today that could make a movie like this look so beautiful and profound? An argument could be made for Yorgos Lanthimos (and yes, I know I am in the minority here claiming Poor Things as a horror film, but it is a true gothic, and it is beautifully sexual, and it has good characterization and best of all it is beautifully directed, acted and shot).
Nowadays, movies like these can only be made on a tiny budget independently. There’s no way a big studio would put money into stuff like this.
>Poor Things
This is a good movie but it can’t be compared to the old pink films I listed. It has no mean streak and it is nowhere as graphic.
“Flower & Snake” was a huge box office hit in 1973 but it would give people on social media convulsions if it came out today
Nikkatsu as a studio was an outlier even back then. Lots of folks tried to get in on what made them successful (for that short twenty year period that they managed to be successful, that is, because they turned to roman porno out of desperation as their studio was failing and then made it a viable business path until VHS porn did them in)
And it's not like all their works were outstanding. Like, does anyone in the west remember that the dude that made Lady Snowblood (independently, I might add, as Nikkatsu didn't want to fund non-pornography like that) also made Girl's Pleasure: Man Hunting and Wet Sand In August? Though I have to admit that I love Nikkatsu let him cook until it came time to look over his films and then they typically were like 'let's shoehorn more sex into this' if there wasn't enough lmao
They put out 163 movies in between November 1971 and June 1974 under the Roman Porno marketing umbrella. Flower & Snake was released on June 6th 1974 (as a double feature with The Last Days of the Red Light District).
In fact, I'd posit that the first film they put out as a Roman Porno (Apartment Wife: Affair Afternoon) single-handedly kick-started the porn trope of lonely repressed housewives living in high rises as their stars, that remains ever popular in Japan and would later fold out into NTR and adjacent cuckhold-y tropes. And 1972's White Finger Play was the first adult film to be acknowledged in the famous Kinema Junpo Top Ten Movies list (it's a magazine, if you're not familiar.) And the most popular of the pre-Flower & Snake films was probably Naked Seven, which was an homage to the 7 Samurai but pornier lol. That one even made it to US arthouse/porn cinemas.
So with that, I find it a bit reductive to claim that Flower & Snake was the singular thing that made them popular, and not their pre-Roman Porno reputation of being a movie-making power house (they made the early post-war teen romance drama Seasons of the Sun in 1956 for example) or their genius marketing shtick of flooding the market with their two-low-budget-film-release-a-week schedule all of which came before Flower & Snake was ever made.
I'd probably put their biggest claim to fame on the fact that so many of the directors and staff and even actors they worked with before they turned to producing pornography to stay afloat stayed on through the change-over and even for years after that.
Hi, big fan of all this comments, allow me to ask you a question.
About 10 years ago I watched a Japanese movie that revolved around a young men, probably in his late 20's early thirties, that found a girl around the same age or a bit younger in really bad shape, like very sick, she could have been in a cave or below this young man's house in like a sink hole I can't remember, she was a vampire/succubus, so each time they had sex she will get prettier stronger and weirder, IIRC at the end she carries our MC to like an underground country of vampires.
I've been looking for this movie but can't find it.
I've been searching for good porn/horror after I found a MistressX video that came pretty close to what I was looking for. Any experience with other porn/horror studios/producers?
There's not a lot, really. Hentaied has some real-life stuff that comes kind of close (depending on how creepy you find monster fucking to be), there's a couple of Ghost Hunting/Ghost Possession type JAV releases (WAN-066, URAM-007, STARS-027are the ones that come to mind immediately) , Erika Lust has a nun-porn series that skews a tiny bit into religious horror if you squint, some of the FourChamberedHeart stuff comes close, Baremaidens has a couple dark fantasy ones (I like the Orias vid a lot for example), Alchemy Of The Meat from Aorta has kind of ritual sacrifice vibes.
Bluray is available here: [https://www.megacityfilms.com/product-page/witchstars-a-film-by-federico-sfascia-available-on-blu-ray-bd-r](https://www.megacityfilms.com/product-page/witchstars-a-film-by-federico-sfascia-available-on-blu-ray-bd-r)
VOD is currently only available in the UK and India
The movie Gutterballs had a version released called the Pin-Etration Edition that used images of unsimulated penetration in a few scenes. It’s not widely available and it’s hard to find, but it’s out there somewhere.
Would stuff like Jean Rollin or Jess Franco count? Or that whole "Sapphic vampire" trend?
They're often pretty softcore, but they're explicitly *about* sex and sexuality.
> Would stuff like Jean Rollin
Jean Rollin almost. He directed both horror movies and porno movies. Some of his horror, like fascination, veneers close to porn. He even uses porn actresses
>or Jess Franco count?
Yes. “Perverse Countess” on the list is his
>They're often pretty softcore
Both directors have made hardcore porn
A couple of Rollin's movies had versions released with hardcore pornographic scenes. I know Night of the Hunted was one of them. A deluxe DVD set from the mid-2000s I have buried somewhere has the footage as a deleted scenes feature.
Do any of these include a vampire biting into a penis in a coffin or graveyard?
This is from a recessed memory from my childhood from something i watched....i think
I’m not sure how I’m the first person to mention the genre classic (no, it’s not good), erotic nights of the living dead. Edit - I think Fulci’s the devils honey has some similar themes.
So... I can't find the interview but it exists somewhere, Jess Franco talking about how he recorded several exploitation films in Alicante, Spain, at the same time. The films are Mondo Cannibal and Cannibal Terror, and he states that for the cannibal roles he "grabbed a bunch of random gypsies off the street" and for the gore he bought random pork offal and the smell with the heat of Southern Spain was awful.
Well, the "random gypsies" were my dad, uncle and assorted friends. The Wikipedia article of Cannibal Terror mentions a cannibal with a "large, Mick Jagger type mouth" that I'm 99% sure was my dad since he was compared to Mick Jagger all his life. And when he told me the story he ended with "and then we had a fantastic barbecue with all the extra meat!"
Congratulations for your father’s role!
That being said, those two movies might be his worst.
That’s really saying something considering Franco is the world most prolific director with over 200 feature length movies directed !
Oh, I have no doubt they were terrible lmao. It's just fun that I grew up with the story of how my family were extras in "a gore and a porn at the same time" (honestly they didn't even know or care what they were filming), became an horror fan and managed to find the story of the movies they were in.
And it's also comforting since my father died to be able to see glimpses of his young self in the trailer in YouTube.
Spermula, a French horror/porn film from the 70s, with a strong comedy component. Saw it in a movie festival in Paris, it’s super camp and quite fun to watch.
Man, I've been going through a bunch of those old soft/hardcore exploitation flicks, and a week or two ago I binged through all the Emanuelle movies I could find, and holy SHIT was I not prepared for how graphic the violence in Emanuelle in America was! The horse scene was pretty unexpected, too 🤣
Looking things up, it turns out that the snuff footage in that movie is what inspired Cronenberg to make Videodrome!
I also realized, while watching Emanuelle and the White Slave Trade, that Necro straight up just ripped the fuck-music out of that movie for his tune, [All Hotties Eat The Jizz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6v8rYJrmU) 🤣
I'm not sure of these completely count, but here's what comes to mind:
* The Devils (1971)
* Blood Sucking Freaks (1976)
* Water Power (1977)
* In a Glass Cage (1987)
* Aftermath (1994)
* Eat the Schoolgirl (1998)
* Niku Daruma (1998)
* They All Must Die (1998)
* Cannibal (2006)
* Deadgirl (2008)
* Where the Dead Go to Die (2012)
* Lucifer Valentine's vomit gore series (2006 - 2020)
Otto; or, Up with Dead People is a 2008 gay horror/comedy movie with a few unsimulated sex scenes. The same director also made a movie called LA Zombie (2010) which is a gay pornographic movie where the main character is a zombie. It’s more horror themed than an outright horror movie though.
Came here to mention LA Zombie, it's got weird body horror with the main character getting turned into a zombie and the infection progressing through each of the porn scenes he's involved in until the end where he's got a weird stinger dick and he's fucking in a bloody, gory orgy.
Plus the titular LA Zombie is Francois Sagat and he's always fun to look at, if nothing more.
One of the Emanuelle films was in the horror genre? I don't think I've seen any of them but I always assumed they were just soft core pornish kind of stuff.
I remember hearing about Unearthed Films doing very limited releases, like probably pre-order to get it and it's gone, of what they called too extreme for the mainstream, indie horror movies with XXX material. From what few reviews I've seen on Letterboxd, I haven't heard much positive. I think it's something easier to handle in a novel than in a movie.
As a kid grew up on horror and I watched Erotic Ghost Story (1990) late night on TV. It has a lot of sexual scenes, unsure about visibly seeing penis enter a body part but you do see a woman’s vagina which I’m not sure if I ever seen that outside of this movie. Apart from many of those scenes the climax has a man transforming into some kind of demon with three heads, and that was absolutely terrifying and scary as a kid.
For some reason the movie would be on TV at least once or twice a year on a specific channel so I would watch it a fair bit growing up.
If you like this one you might also enjoy A Chinese Torture Chamber Story, which features a fantastic Wuxia inspired sequence where two fighter have mid-air sex. It's very fun (and full of frankly hilarious dick jokes)
I remember sneakily watching one of my brother’s rental dvds. It turned out to be horror with nudity. Can’t possibly remember the name because I was soooo young. It was about a group of friends got lost in the forest (ha!), then a bunch of naked beautiful woman just killed them one by one? There was a scene where one of the devil was on a car roof looking down. Any idea lol?
The Exquisite Corpus is an interesting experimental short film made of interspliced old film footage, much of which is old pornos. It’s uncomfortable and weird enough I’d consider it horror.
Since you mention some of his work, Joe D'Amato's career is interesting. He's definitely done quite a lot of this type of film. He's even filmed harder and softer movies at the same time and location, using essentially the same cast, and many movies with both hardcore and softcore cuts. Erotic Nights of the Living dead was most definitely shot at the same time and in the same place as Porno Holocaust, [along with like half a dozen other movies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porno_Holocaust#Production). Talk about grindhouse. The Laura Gemser Emmanuelle films in the hands of D'Amato often veered into thriller/horror territory -- often quite abruptly, like Emmanuelle in America, as you mentioned, and also Emmanuelle and the Last Cannibals. They're so weird, and I love them.
This discussion jogged a memory loose. It was a horror with an abusive husband who the wife killed but he was reincarnated? She recognized it by him whistling a specific tune? Plus there was lots of soft core elements...
“Woman in a Box: Virgin Sacrifice” from Nikkatsu’s “Roman X” subline. Or, if allowing softcore, there’s the likes of their Roman Porno slashers, “Entrails of a Virgin” and “Hard ****”
Anything from the chicago indie scene is pornographic....minus the nudity and sex....hell it's probably an upgrade actually compared to most normal indie horror...or a downgrade?
Porn movies used to be actual movies with characters and a story arc (no comment on the quality).
Now it is First person hotel room hookups with a dude with a GoPro strapped to his forehead & an only fans model.
> Porn movies used to be actual movies with characters and a story arc
Yeah, they were also huge. Deep throat, a porno movie, was the 5th biggest box office of 1972 in America
I guess I could come in here and do the typical "I don't watch a porn for its story", but for the purposes of conversation, I will say that I have never looked at pornographic movies as a fun way to be terrified.
I'm not a prude or anything, and I have a libido, but I prefer movies with simulated sex than actual sex. If I see actual sex in something that is trying to take itself seriously, I can't take it seriously either. Just a taste thing, I guess.
I love movies about the porn industry, which is why I don't blame the person that mentioned X (2022), besides it being a great horror movie, it gives you a view into the eyes of would-be people that made the exact films you're talking about. I also love "Boogie Nights" (1997), so the subject does not bother me, but if I wanted to see actual sex, I would go have sex.
I think what you're looking for died when all porn got migrated to VHS, and eventually the internet. I hope that makes sense.
>I guess I could come in here and do the typical "I don't watch a porn for its story"
Sadly I do, and it makes it really difficult to find stuff that works for me lol
Gone are the days of big sex musicals like Alice In Wonderland or big budget productions like Pirates and my libido is suffering for it XD
It's not really as weird as it sounds, it just leads to me watching porn and fixating on actors outside of the fucking because their character arc is more interesting. Or to go with a more recent example, Challengers (the Zendaya tennis throuple film) does more for me than 99% of the porn on the market because it's got interesting characterizations to it.
It's why I watch more JAV than any other kind of porn, because at least those guys are putting work into the narrative, which sure, leads to the films being three hours long, but at least the set-up is great.
Yes. There’s a bunch of them.
To be fair, I’ve never seen them. I’ll list the top rated gay porn horror on Letterboxd:
* LA plays itself (1972)
* Bijou (1972)
* Sextool (1975)
* Born to raise hell (1972)
* The destroying angel (1976)
Look into W.A.V.E productions, that’s a very interesting rabbit hole to go down. From the movies I’ve seen they aren’t exactly porn exclusive like what you’re describing but it has a lot of naked people for the sake of naked people.
Basically just look up Tina Krause and look through her filmography
I don't like porn horror. But I just watched a movie that shocked the crap out of me! It's called Violation. It has a full 10 minute scene with a man and his pee pee! That's rare. He is at full attention and ready to go! 😬 don't watch it with anyone! Lol..another movie that is EXCELLENT is Revenge. Another man running around for 20 minutes with no clothes on..lol... but it's a great film!
Ed Wood’s Orgy of the Dead (1965) is more burlesque than porn but probably fits into this topic. The Case of the Smiling Stiffs/Case of the Full Moon Murders (1973) is a skin flick with a vampire
Is case of the smiling stiffs any good? It was directed by Sean s Cunningham who would later direct the original friday the 13th
I’ve seen it once,in 1980 something. Not a classic by any means,a curio more than anything
Regarding Silip: Daughters of Eve, Wikipedia has this to say: >Sarsi Emmanuelle and Maria Isabel Lopez claimed that they had been almost raped for real while filming a scene in this movie. Sarsi reportedly suffered a nervous breakdown and had to be hospitalized for a week So not really a positive example of this type of film I'm afraid
Oh shit I had no idea. I’ll take it off the list
What does “almost raped” mean? Was it almost going to happen and it ended up not happening? Was the act or did the act felt like a rape at first but then it wasn’t? I’m confused to what it means. Because if someone says “I went down that alley and almost got raped” I know what it means. But during filming of a movie where these scenes are being shot and you know what it it’s going to be like, specifying what “almost” means might make or break the movie here
From IMDB "When this movie was released, Sarsi Emmanuelle and Maria Isabel Lopez claimed that they had been almost raped for real while filming a scene. Sarsi reportedly suffered a nervous breakdown and had to be hospitalized for a week. Maria Isabel would show her rope burns to anybody who was interested. In 2007 Maria Isabel Lopez recalled what happened: "In one scene we were tied and in a tent, and there were a group of men who were going to gang rape us. And I cannot imagine why they really tied us so hard. So I said, 'This is too much, this is too painful!' And I realized that they wanted us to struggle - like Elwood Perez motivated the actors to attempt to really touch us, and that we would be angry, he wanted to show that anger. So I actually resented Elwood for a while after that scene. But of course I also got over it. I finally understood the director's intentions.""
Somebody was trying to put it in and wasn't supposed to?
This is a legitimate question. Not sure why it was downvoted.
Thank you
We Are The Flesh (2016) is a weird art-house film with unsimulated sex (and masturbation) in it. Though I saw it at FrightFest, it's on the almost-not-horror end of horror (but is very weird).
I hadn't heard of it and looked it up. Wikipedia says the director originally tried to cast actual siblings for the unsimulated sex scenes. Wth
Yep, so weird, I liked the end though.
Happy ending, then?
*Happy* is not the word I'd use
Insane movie but really fun. Its really depraved but not in a morbid way.
Thundercrack! Is my personal favorite of this genre.
I heard about this one! I saw that it’s over 3 hours and it’s more of a comedy. Why did you enjoy it?
The visuals are very inspired by classic horror like the early Universal stuff and The Old Dark House, yet it still has the underground 70’s vibe that really floats my cinematic boat. Plus, the dialogue is made up of lengthy, whacked-out monologues that are performed with unbridled intensity. It’s like Pink Flamingos directed by James Whale.
Sounds interesting, thanks!
Pink Flamingos is a John Waters film not a James Whale film.
Yes, I mean Thundercrack! feels like a Waters script directed by Whale.
Ohhhhhhh I gotchu
Does Antichrist count? I was going to recommend it as a joke at first because of the extreme sexual violence that happens and leave a warning (seriously it’s…. A lot) but it also opens with actual full penetration so the more I think about it the more I feel like it absolutely is what you are looking for. You’ve been warned.
Fun fact about that movie, they had to get another guy for the sex shots because Dafoes dick was too big, iirc they got a porn actor
Yeah, I believe Lars von Trier was quoted as saying that he found Dafoe's dong "confusingly large"
Vampyros Lesbos
That’s a Jess Franco movie made right *before* he started making horror porn. Check out Perverse Countess by him in my list
Forced Entry should be on your list. The Taming of Rebecca, too. Just gross, gross movies.
Came here to say Forced Entry. Funny story I only know about this movie because a gore/porno grind band used a ton of clips from it on one of their albums.
Yep, these definitely qualify
Finally watched the Taming of Rebecca.
I love everything happening in this thread, thank you OP for asking it, am learning a lot. I recently watched the other movie by Thriller director and it was like alright. End twist was sort of meh. Violence too aside from the climax was pedestrian. Breaking Point is the name of the film.
>Thriller director It took me too long to realize you weren't talking about John Landis. I was like, sure, the climax of American Werewolf In London is set in a porno theater, and he gets naked more often than you'd expect, but I wouldn't call the movie porn.
Thriller is one I slipped past my parents as a teenager during the Netflix dvd queue days, because it was unrated and they were only keeping an eye on what R rated movies I was watching. It was definitely something.
There have been several movies with the title "Thriller", what year was the one you are talking about released?
Thriller: A Cruel Picture
That stars Michael Jackson.
Fuck it’s even in the post and the comment above. Thriller: A Cruel Picture. I should’ve put the whole title I get it.
I’m messing around. I have no life.
Let's not forget Hardgore (1975)
Otto; or, Up with Dead People Or pretty much anything else by Bruce La Bruce
The Beast (1975) is a strange case for this topic. There is no unsimulated sex between the actors AFAIK, but it does feature certains acts that aren't shown explicitly in softcore (masturbation, ejaculation, etc.), albeit with a fantasy creature. Either way, I have to say I prefer erotic horror (stuff like Vampyros Lesbos, The Devil's Honey, etc.) to hardcore pornography.
any gay ones?
Yeah, there’s a bunch of them. I posted a list in another comment To be fair though, I’ve never seen them. I’ll list the top rated gay porn horror on Letterboxd: * LA plays itself (1972) * Bijou (1972) * Sextool (1975) * Born to raise hell (1972) * The destroying angel (1976)
LA Zombie was a hardcore gay movie in 2010.
Yo I realized that a few moments into it lol
Stranger By The Lake - I believe the ejaculations in this movie are real and not special effects.
I agree the ejaculations were real, but they did not come from the lead actor. Stunt ejaculators?
I find most of the modern ones kind of lose their charm because they're shot in HD/4K/whatever and that shows off the skill issues a lot of the film-makers in this genre tend to have. That said, Witchstars (2018) was kind of fun. I caught that at a screening together with Suitable Flesh (2023) earlier this year. I also enjoyed that Ti West's X went for it somewhat. Also, the only thing missing from Infinity Pool to make it from a good enjoyable movie to an excellent one for me was a good pegging scene. (This is a lie btw, this movie is perfect as is and from the moment I saw that nipple-transformed-into-a-worm hallucination I was sold on it.) The Japanese kept the genre going for longer than anyone else. Sion Sono's stuff is very sexual, so is Takashi Miike's (when he's not directing kid's stuff that is, lol). And even there I find the classics to be better than most of the european/american stuff. Like, the Entrails Series is fantastic. So are Violated Angels, Tortured Flesh and stuff like Zero Woman: Red Handcuffs (though I suppose that skews more crime). If you're looking also for straight up porn with a side of horror, I find the PureTaboo stuff pretty fun. They were at their best with their sci-fi-dystopia stuff during the Pandemic, but I'm also a big fan of their Alien Invasion thingie '[The Ghost Rocket](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYeveohnjOA)' and their possession/pregnancy thing '[FEED ME](https://youtu.be/UKLh3AmkmN4?si=C_vY-8qjnqtLhFXw)'.
> Zero Woman: Red Handcuffs This is a great movie but it definitely isn’t pornographic
Maybe you're just watching the wrong porn haha Not all porn is P in V with no frills and no flair Anyway, Entrails of a Beautiful Woman has got all the explicit fucking you seem to yearn for, so I'd recommed (re)watching that.
> Entrails of a Beautiful Woman Yeah, that’s closer to it. If you like Japanese pink films check out these lesser known gems: * Terrifying Girl High School : Lynch Law Classroom * A Haunted Turkish Bathhouse * Yumeno Kyusaku Girl Hell * Nuns that Bite
I'm not a huuge fan of schoolgirl related movies, but Konuma's Girl's Hell is a good one (mostly due to the heaping of religious guilt and proper romance attached to it). But here you also see why there are so few of these in modern times. Are there film-makers today that could make a movie like this look so beautiful and profound? An argument could be made for Yorgos Lanthimos (and yes, I know I am in the minority here claiming Poor Things as a horror film, but it is a true gothic, and it is beautifully sexual, and it has good characterization and best of all it is beautifully directed, acted and shot).
Nowadays, movies like these can only be made on a tiny budget independently. There’s no way a big studio would put money into stuff like this. >Poor Things This is a good movie but it can’t be compared to the old pink films I listed. It has no mean streak and it is nowhere as graphic. “Flower & Snake” was a huge box office hit in 1973 but it would give people on social media convulsions if it came out today
Nikkatsu as a studio was an outlier even back then. Lots of folks tried to get in on what made them successful (for that short twenty year period that they managed to be successful, that is, because they turned to roman porno out of desperation as their studio was failing and then made it a viable business path until VHS porn did them in) And it's not like all their works were outstanding. Like, does anyone in the west remember that the dude that made Lady Snowblood (independently, I might add, as Nikkatsu didn't want to fund non-pornography like that) also made Girl's Pleasure: Man Hunting and Wet Sand In August? Though I have to admit that I love Nikkatsu let him cook until it came time to look over his films and then they typically were like 'let's shoehorn more sex into this' if there wasn't enough lmao
Wasn’t it “Flower & Snake” that made them so successful?
They put out 163 movies in between November 1971 and June 1974 under the Roman Porno marketing umbrella. Flower & Snake was released on June 6th 1974 (as a double feature with The Last Days of the Red Light District). In fact, I'd posit that the first film they put out as a Roman Porno (Apartment Wife: Affair Afternoon) single-handedly kick-started the porn trope of lonely repressed housewives living in high rises as their stars, that remains ever popular in Japan and would later fold out into NTR and adjacent cuckhold-y tropes. And 1972's White Finger Play was the first adult film to be acknowledged in the famous Kinema Junpo Top Ten Movies list (it's a magazine, if you're not familiar.) And the most popular of the pre-Flower & Snake films was probably Naked Seven, which was an homage to the 7 Samurai but pornier lol. That one even made it to US arthouse/porn cinemas. So with that, I find it a bit reductive to claim that Flower & Snake was the singular thing that made them popular, and not their pre-Roman Porno reputation of being a movie-making power house (they made the early post-war teen romance drama Seasons of the Sun in 1956 for example) or their genius marketing shtick of flooding the market with their two-low-budget-film-release-a-week schedule all of which came before Flower & Snake was ever made. I'd probably put their biggest claim to fame on the fact that so many of the directors and staff and even actors they worked with before they turned to producing pornography to stay afloat stayed on through the change-over and even for years after that.
Hi, big fan of all this comments, allow me to ask you a question. About 10 years ago I watched a Japanese movie that revolved around a young men, probably in his late 20's early thirties, that found a girl around the same age or a bit younger in really bad shape, like very sick, she could have been in a cave or below this young man's house in like a sink hole I can't remember, she was a vampire/succubus, so each time they had sex she will get prettier stronger and weirder, IIRC at the end she carries our MC to like an underground country of vampires. I've been looking for this movie but can't find it.
Very informative thank you. Are there any Roman Porno you particularly like and would recommend watching?
LMFAO bruh Pure Taboo is a guilty pleasure for sure. Probably the only porn channel that actually provides interesting plots that you *want* to watch
I have some seriously positive thoughts on this post that I will not share on a public forum, so I will just give it a thumbs up 😂
I've been searching for good porn/horror after I found a MistressX video that came pretty close to what I was looking for. Any experience with other porn/horror studios/producers?
There's not a lot, really. Hentaied has some real-life stuff that comes kind of close (depending on how creepy you find monster fucking to be), there's a couple of Ghost Hunting/Ghost Possession type JAV releases (WAN-066, URAM-007, STARS-027are the ones that come to mind immediately) , Erika Lust has a nun-porn series that skews a tiny bit into religious horror if you squint, some of the FourChamberedHeart stuff comes close, Baremaidens has a couple dark fantasy ones (I like the Orias vid a lot for example), Alchemy Of The Meat from Aorta has kind of ritual sacrifice vibes.
As the person that just put out zero woman and watched it many times, it is rough but definitely pinky violence and not Roman porno.
Anyone know a way I can legally watch WitchStars in the U.S.? Thanks
Bluray is available here: [https://www.megacityfilms.com/product-page/witchstars-a-film-by-federico-sfascia-available-on-blu-ray-bd-r](https://www.megacityfilms.com/product-page/witchstars-a-film-by-federico-sfascia-available-on-blu-ray-bd-r) VOD is currently only available in the UK and India
The movie Gutterballs had a version released called the Pin-Etration Edition that used images of unsimulated penetration in a few scenes. It’s not widely available and it’s hard to find, but it’s out there somewhere.
The Pin-etration edition is included in the Unearthed Films bluray release but it's in SD only unfortunately.
Only up for male sexual exploitation films
Would stuff like Jean Rollin or Jess Franco count? Or that whole "Sapphic vampire" trend? They're often pretty softcore, but they're explicitly *about* sex and sexuality.
> Would stuff like Jean Rollin Jean Rollin almost. He directed both horror movies and porno movies. Some of his horror, like fascination, veneers close to porn. He even uses porn actresses >or Jess Franco count? Yes. “Perverse Countess” on the list is his >They're often pretty softcore Both directors have made hardcore porn
A couple of Rollin's movies had versions released with hardcore pornographic scenes. I know Night of the Hunted was one of them. A deluxe DVD set from the mid-2000s I have buried somewhere has the footage as a deleted scenes feature.
In that case, Rollin definitely qualifies
No actual sex in it, but The Blood Spattered is a fantastic sapphic vampire film fyi.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!!! Would Nekromantik fall under this category?
Almost but I don’t think there was any unsimilated sex
Omg I remember seeing the trailer for the sinful dwarf. It cracked me up so bad!
I’ve never heard of this genre.
wow, I didn't realize these existed
Baise moi
Do any of these include a vampire biting into a penis in a coffin or graveyard? This is from a recessed memory from my childhood from something i watched....i think
That sounds like Female vampire 1973
Hahaha. I'll see if i can find it.
If that’s not it, it definitely sounds like a Jean Rollin movie
Damn. He has a lot
Happened in Lair of the White Worm, but not explicit.
Try "Suce Moi Vampire" (Suck Me Vampire"), one of Jean Rollin's porn films.
That might be 1978 porno Dracula Sucks starring John Holmes & Seka, which also had a softcore R release.
Caligula (1979)
I’m not sure how I’m the first person to mention the genre classic (no, it’s not good), erotic nights of the living dead. Edit - I think Fulci’s the devils honey has some similar themes.
Joe D’Amato and Jess Franco are the indisputable champions of this genre
So... I can't find the interview but it exists somewhere, Jess Franco talking about how he recorded several exploitation films in Alicante, Spain, at the same time. The films are Mondo Cannibal and Cannibal Terror, and he states that for the cannibal roles he "grabbed a bunch of random gypsies off the street" and for the gore he bought random pork offal and the smell with the heat of Southern Spain was awful. Well, the "random gypsies" were my dad, uncle and assorted friends. The Wikipedia article of Cannibal Terror mentions a cannibal with a "large, Mick Jagger type mouth" that I'm 99% sure was my dad since he was compared to Mick Jagger all his life. And when he told me the story he ended with "and then we had a fantastic barbecue with all the extra meat!"
Congratulations for your father’s role! That being said, those two movies might be his worst. That’s really saying something considering Franco is the world most prolific director with over 200 feature length movies directed !
Oh, I have no doubt they were terrible lmao. It's just fun that I grew up with the story of how my family were extras in "a gore and a porn at the same time" (honestly they didn't even know or care what they were filming), became an horror fan and managed to find the story of the movies they were in. And it's also comforting since my father died to be able to see glimpses of his young self in the trailer in YouTube.
Is there a setting to allow me to see the dirty movie posters in Letterboxd?
[https://letterboxd.com/journal/sex-world/](https://letterboxd.com/journal/sex-world/)
Rats.
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Spermula, a French horror/porn film from the 70s, with a strong comedy component. Saw it in a movie festival in Paris, it’s super camp and quite fun to watch.
Man, I've been going through a bunch of those old soft/hardcore exploitation flicks, and a week or two ago I binged through all the Emanuelle movies I could find, and holy SHIT was I not prepared for how graphic the violence in Emanuelle in America was! The horse scene was pretty unexpected, too 🤣 Looking things up, it turns out that the snuff footage in that movie is what inspired Cronenberg to make Videodrome! I also realized, while watching Emanuelle and the White Slave Trade, that Necro straight up just ripped the fuck-music out of that movie for his tune, [All Hotties Eat The Jizz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6v8rYJrmU) 🤣
I'm not sure of these completely count, but here's what comes to mind: * The Devils (1971) * Blood Sucking Freaks (1976) * Water Power (1977) * In a Glass Cage (1987) * Aftermath (1994) * Eat the Schoolgirl (1998) * Niku Daruma (1998) * They All Must Die (1998) * Cannibal (2006) * Deadgirl (2008) * Where the Dead Go to Die (2012) * Lucifer Valentine's vomit gore series (2006 - 2020)
didn't see it mentioned in here yet, but there's the truly mediocre Slaughter Disc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughter_Disc
Otto; or, Up with Dead People is a 2008 gay horror/comedy movie with a few unsimulated sex scenes. The same director also made a movie called LA Zombie (2010) which is a gay pornographic movie where the main character is a zombie. It’s more horror themed than an outright horror movie though.
Came here to mention LA Zombie, it's got weird body horror with the main character getting turned into a zombie and the infection progressing through each of the porn scenes he's involved in until the end where he's got a weird stinger dick and he's fucking in a bloody, gory orgy. Plus the titular LA Zombie is Francois Sagat and he's always fun to look at, if nothing more.
Rape Zombie: Lust of the Dead 1-5 Other than that, I can only recall Sick Nurses(2007) being pretty provocative
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Depends on what he's got that backed up on lol If the internet goes down tomorrow? Most folks are gonna be fucked.
Erotic nights of the living dead and porno holocaust for sure !
Both from Canadian filmmaker, Bruce Labruce: - *LA Zombie* - *Otto; or, Up with Dead People*
Dracula Sucks??
i feel like it's worth noting that The Fireworks Woman was directed by Wes Craven and is also about incest
You just blew my mind. I had no idea that Wes craven directed a porn
AFTER Last House on the Left too! he was already established and doing incest pornos before getting to Hills Have Eyes and Nightmare on Elm Street
Thriller has a real eye being cut with a razor blade.
Yep, they actually illegally used a corpse for that scene
I remember thinking how incredibly real it looked, especially for the time it was made.
Are you cool with foreign films? There's a Live action version of La Blue Girl, I think Wicked City has one too.
Almost every movie on the list is foreign
Heh, I didn't have any plans tonight. Thanks OP!
One of the Emanuelle films was in the horror genre? I don't think I've seen any of them but I always assumed they were just soft core pornish kind of stuff.
Definitely the one in America
https://www.adultempire.com/202/category/horror-porn-videos.html
I Spit On Your Grave The Last House On The Left Irreversible A Serbian Film
Bro wants a spooky boner
No Singapore Sling? OK...
Did someone say Porno Holocaust? I would not recommend that movie to anyone.
I remember hearing about Unearthed Films doing very limited releases, like probably pre-order to get it and it's gone, of what they called too extreme for the mainstream, indie horror movies with XXX material. From what few reviews I've seen on Letterboxd, I haven't heard much positive. I think it's something easier to handle in a novel than in a movie.
Possessor(2020) has some crazy sex scenes
Candyland(2022) as well
Candyland is pretty good.
Yeah it was a fun watch. It's a trashy, truck stop slasher movie. Gotta love those lol
yep
Fantom Kiler (and its sequels)
Deathscort service was basically a porn up until the actual sex and then it was just kills. Also a pretty terrible movie.
As a kid grew up on horror and I watched Erotic Ghost Story (1990) late night on TV. It has a lot of sexual scenes, unsure about visibly seeing penis enter a body part but you do see a woman’s vagina which I’m not sure if I ever seen that outside of this movie. Apart from many of those scenes the climax has a man transforming into some kind of demon with three heads, and that was absolutely terrifying and scary as a kid. For some reason the movie would be on TV at least once or twice a year on a specific channel so I would watch it a fair bit growing up.
If you like this one you might also enjoy A Chinese Torture Chamber Story, which features a fantastic Wuxia inspired sequence where two fighter have mid-air sex. It's very fun (and full of frankly hilarious dick jokes)
I remember sneakily watching one of my brother’s rental dvds. It turned out to be horror with nudity. Can’t possibly remember the name because I was soooo young. It was about a group of friends got lost in the forest (ha!), then a bunch of naked beautiful woman just killed them one by one? There was a scene where one of the devil was on a car roof looking down. Any idea lol?
The Toy Box (1971) is the first one that jumped to mind. More of a weird sci-fi but it is horror adjacent
I dare to say. Thriller is way better without the sex scenes.
The Exquisite Corpus is an interesting experimental short film made of interspliced old film footage, much of which is old pornos. It’s uncomfortable and weird enough I’d consider it horror.
Dark Angels (2000)
Since you mention some of his work, Joe D'Amato's career is interesting. He's definitely done quite a lot of this type of film. He's even filmed harder and softer movies at the same time and location, using essentially the same cast, and many movies with both hardcore and softcore cuts. Erotic Nights of the Living dead was most definitely shot at the same time and in the same place as Porno Holocaust, [along with like half a dozen other movies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porno_Holocaust#Production). Talk about grindhouse. The Laura Gemser Emmanuelle films in the hands of D'Amato often veered into thriller/horror territory -- often quite abruptly, like Emmanuelle in America, as you mentioned, and also Emmanuelle and the Last Cannibals. They're so weird, and I love them.
My favorite Joe D’Amato pictures are: Beyond the Darkness, Death Smiles on a Murderer, Emanuelle’s revenge and Emanuelle in America
I watched a gay twilight ripoff porno and it was weird, but certainly an experience.
The divide i think? Canibal holocaust?
This discussion jogged a memory loose. It was a horror with an abusive husband who the wife killed but he was reincarnated? She recognized it by him whistling a specific tune? Plus there was lots of soft core elements...
i don’t know if X (2022) counts?
“Woman in a Box: Virgin Sacrifice” from Nikkatsu’s “Roman X” subline. Or, if allowing softcore, there’s the likes of their Roman Porno slashers, “Entrails of a Virgin” and “Hard ****”
Yes. These definitely apply
American Guinea Pig Sacrifice (2017) but it's solo
Knock knock?
Porno Holocaust. Deserted island. Zombies. Porn. Also, a Holocaust, I guess.
Just watched a 2000s movie called The Untamed that had a disturbing tentacle scene in it
Giallo in Venice is crazy.
Through the Looking Glass is kind of a psychological horror porn.
Lots more
Shatter dead has a real handgun fucking scene
Vampirass. Yes, it's real.
Love this thread. It brings to mind Shivers (1975) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073705/
Can we please discuss AUGUST UNDERGROUND trilogy, VOMIT GORE trilogy etc?
Thank you for the list OP. Any idea where to find them unedited though?
Try ok dot ru. In DM tell me which one you are interested in and I can look for it
Emmanuelle. Queen of the galaxy…. Emmanuelle please come home with me….. Emmanuelle . I can’t erase that song from my head.
A Serbian Film
Anything from the chicago indie scene is pornographic....minus the nudity and sex....hell it's probably an upgrade actually compared to most normal indie horror...or a downgrade?
Porn movies used to be actual movies with characters and a story arc (no comment on the quality). Now it is First person hotel room hookups with a dude with a GoPro strapped to his forehead & an only fans model.
> Porn movies used to be actual movies with characters and a story arc Yeah, they were also huge. Deep throat, a porno movie, was the 5th biggest box office of 1972 in America
Do Wrong turn movies count 🤔?
Attack Of The CockFace Killer ( aka goreface killer) https://letterboxd.com/film/attack-of-the-cockface-killer/
Erotic Nights of the Living Dead (1980)
Don't forget about when me and another guy double team your mom
‘Salo’, ‘Porno Holocaust’, ‘the Toy Box’?
Slumber party massacre 82 but I think it was meant to be a parody.
Erotic Nights of the Living Dead.
Damonenbrut (2000)
I guess I could come in here and do the typical "I don't watch a porn for its story", but for the purposes of conversation, I will say that I have never looked at pornographic movies as a fun way to be terrified. I'm not a prude or anything, and I have a libido, but I prefer movies with simulated sex than actual sex. If I see actual sex in something that is trying to take itself seriously, I can't take it seriously either. Just a taste thing, I guess. I love movies about the porn industry, which is why I don't blame the person that mentioned X (2022), besides it being a great horror movie, it gives you a view into the eyes of would-be people that made the exact films you're talking about. I also love "Boogie Nights" (1997), so the subject does not bother me, but if I wanted to see actual sex, I would go have sex. I think what you're looking for died when all porn got migrated to VHS, and eventually the internet. I hope that makes sense.
>I guess I could come in here and do the typical "I don't watch a porn for its story" Sadly I do, and it makes it really difficult to find stuff that works for me lol Gone are the days of big sex musicals like Alice In Wonderland or big budget productions like Pirates and my libido is suffering for it XD
I would love to pick your brain about that, but not on the forum lol
It's not really as weird as it sounds, it just leads to me watching porn and fixating on actors outside of the fucking because their character arc is more interesting. Or to go with a more recent example, Challengers (the Zendaya tennis throuple film) does more for me than 99% of the porn on the market because it's got interesting characterizations to it. It's why I watch more JAV than any other kind of porn, because at least those guys are putting work into the narrative, which sure, leads to the films being three hours long, but at least the set-up is great.
I've never seen a horror porn. Just curious is there any gay ones out there? I'd check it out.
Yes. There’s a bunch of them. To be fair, I’ve never seen them. I’ll list the top rated gay porn horror on Letterboxd: * LA plays itself (1972) * Bijou (1972) * Sextool (1975) * Born to raise hell (1972) * The destroying angel (1976)
Thanks for the list. I'll check one out sometime.
Both from Canadian filmmaker, Bruce Labruce: - *LA Zombie* - *Otto; or, Up with Dead People*
evil toons is a good one
Look into W.A.V.E productions, that’s a very interesting rabbit hole to go down. From the movies I’ve seen they aren’t exactly porn exclusive like what you’re describing but it has a lot of naked people for the sake of naked people. Basically just look up Tina Krause and look through her filmography
Slaughtered vomit dolls or anything made by lucifer valentine.
I don't like porn horror. But I just watched a movie that shocked the crap out of me! It's called Violation. It has a full 10 minute scene with a man and his pee pee! That's rare. He is at full attention and ready to go! 😬 don't watch it with anyone! Lol..another movie that is EXCELLENT is Revenge. Another man running around for 20 minutes with no clothes on..lol... but it's a great film!
I think I might’ve seen shadowy penetration in the Castle Freak remake.
Antichrist. Enjoy Willem Dafoe's huge penis.
1. That's a prosthetic penis. 2. Even if it wasn't a prosthetic penis, nudity in and of itself is not pornographic.
Meh, whatever
What the fuck