Voting won’t change anything. All the politicians are in on the housing exploitation.
This will take physical protest and marching, demanding top to bottom reform and relentless pressure on all those fucking up the whole real estate industry.
Here's a detailed and concise article about it. About a third of the way down is a graph that you can click on the dots to see who took how much, etc. Good luck out there.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/12/democrats-say-no-pacs/
Thats the problem with the Democrats - its like voting for the Social-Dems in Weimer Germany. You need an agressive party thats willing to manhandle its opponents. The Republicans have been absolutely gutting the country for the last 40 years and the Democrats get by with a passive resistance like, “Oh well, at least we tried! We’ll just crack an extra bottle of magnum when we go off to our mansions in the hills and pat ourselves on the back for trying to help the peasantry.”
There’s no grassroots movements with the Democrats trying to change things. Occassionally something like “Occupy Wall Street” will pop up, but, they just break some stuff for a few weeks and the movement fizzles out. The Moral Majority, Tea Party, this whole Trump thing - the Republicans have all kinds of grassroots people actively trying to achieve their goals. The Democrats have none of this. Just happy to talk tough while doing absolutely nothing.
Well, I should be clear. I'm not a fan of Democrats either. DSA, sunrise movement, the Justice Democrats, More perfect union, our revolution, there are others. But you're generally correct overall, the Dems don't fight. Of course, there are some minor exceptions to that too. I do believe both parties act like controlled oppositions in support of their corporate donors. Yay democracy! I will have to also disagree and say that Republicans really aren't grassroots, at least from what I've seen. It's most always AstroTurf. Cheers.
Sure, I guess I’d have to look at the money trail, but it’s not like anyone on Wall Street or Washington was dumping money trying to create a religious revolution in the 1970s. That thing kind of happened on its own through the efforts of a lot of highly motivated regular people working together. It took them 50 years to get what they wanted, but it worked and Roe no more. And this is just what average people were able to accomplish. Just think about what the high-IQ, high net-worth people have been doing to the country.
Just, my point is the Democrats don’t have anything like that sustained level of effort over many years. One minute its No Farms, No Food. Then its off to George Floyd. Then Gaza. In another few months it’ll be whales, or smoking, or plastic bags or something else. TikTok activism, in other words. AOC on Kimmel wearing a $2500 dress talking about “Trump doesnt want to mess with a girl from the Bronx”. Jesus. Why dont you shut up and friggin do something, God damnit.
Nothing that genuinely seeks to gain power. I mean, I bet if you asked the rank-and-file Democrat they’d tell you the LAST thing they want is power and influence. What would the average Trump supporter say to the same question? That’s a big problem.
Unfortunately the DSA, Sunrise Movement and Justice Dems are communists. They don’t respect private property and will only be happy with a complete government takeover of property.
Justice Democrats are not communists, The other two, I can see why you would think that. Sure. To be sure, the capitalist housing market has worked great so far, so let's not think about changing anything. It's so easy to afford property nowadays you know? /s
We are not in a true capitalist housing market. A true market would be a completely deregulated housing market - no zoning policies, environmental reviews, no restrictions on insurance - just a pure free market.
I'm sorry to tell you though that we do live in a capitalist economic system, so, whatever ideals you have, reality is what it is. That is capitalism in its current form.
The organizations that I respect are not all Communists. And you can call it whatever you want, it is an oligarchy, but it is also capitalism. "True capitalism" is just the no true Scotsman fallacy. We live in a capitalist organization of the economy. It's just reality.
You think people who can’t understand that a loan will need to be repaid and that a degree is for the purpose of increasing your ability to earn(thus pay off loans to get it) are going to make smart investments in a home? Ridiculous.
I think people that have made 120 on-time, full, scheduled, monthly payments in order to qualify for loan forgiveness, are exactly the ones that will make a good investment in a home.
What about people that never went to college because they couldn’t afford it? Without a college education they’re likely even more fucked by the housing crisis. Shouldn’t everyone be entitled to $500/mo?
If they’ve been paying $500/mo, they have also paid back *at least* $60,000, mostly in interest. Most forgiven loans would be in the 15 year range so they likely more than paid back the original amount.
Odds are, because of that degree, they will pay far more in income taxes over their lifetime than if they didn’t get that degree.
There’s more… they are less likely to go to prison or need social services. They’ll be healthier for longer. Pay more in property taxes, volunteer and contribute to local charities…
What is an educated society worth?
I’m all for an educated society. I agree to all the benefits.
I did not think about it as what they have overpaid through interest, and that many people have already paid the original balance. Thank you for that viewpoint.
I have a few friends that went the no college route because of the high cost. But their thoughts on student loan forgiveness is always “what about me?”.
Some have taken on debt to further their careers, buying tools, attending workshops/classes, or taking out business loans. Many times with predatory interest rates.
Seems we’re in need of some sort of UBI system if prices keep rising. We also need to ban corporations from owning large swaths of residential real estate.
But the corporations seem to always win.
The the only thing that will fix it is voting in younger candidates. None of those old fucks give a shit. And the scale of protest required would have to be insane for their hand to be forced
Who said a protest would be against one or two guys? They never are.
Not for all the social movements anyway. It's always for a much larger cause/topic/concept.
Some protests without a clearly stated objective or well-mannered leadership didn't accomplish anything?
This is my surprised Pikachu face.
As for the rest that changed the course of history, they succeeded. As do unions.
While some can’t bring themselves to vote for a party that would strip women’s rights etc. A significant portion still vote for trump with the hope that he will be « disruptive » to the system and burn it all down. They are dumb and he of course won’t, nor will he affect any significant change for the better, he will just exploit as much as possible for personal gain and make everything worse while making the situation as fucked if not worse.
So who are thy voting for then? I'm not aware of any major party that actually has cared about this issue. And before someone says "BuT DeMs CaRe," they might want to look at what states have the worst housing costs, the most houseless, and the biggest disparities.
The states with the worst housing costs are the ones people want to live in. The states with the most homeless are the ones with the best social services.
Dems push for multi-use zoning much more than Reps. Dems push against corporations (that buy single family homes) more than Reps. Dems are by no means perfect, but it's not hard to be better than absolute dogshit.
Edit: Also, don't forget that the climate migration caused by the rep's complete and utter disregard for climate change will increase housing issues immensely as people move out of uninhabitable hellscapes. So yeah vote for republicans if you want a small tax break that just fucks you over later for orders of magnitude more impact.
Where the left rules for decades, the cost of living is the highest, crime highest, rich poor gap the largest, homelessness the highest.
But keep voting how you are voting…plenty of us are making bank on those who have no common sense. Dems told you the plan… you will own nothing and you will(be forced to) like it.
Are you living in a different timeline?
Republicans have had the presidency 12 years out of the last 23. The left hasn't ruled for decades. Bush's presidency was followed by the Great recession. Trump's presidency was followed by post covid inflation.
Cost of living is a function of corporations taking advantage of us under the guise of inflation. Look at corporate profits after 2020.
"The national picture shows that murder is falling. We have data from over 200 cities showing a 12.2% decline ... in 2023 relative to 2022," Asher said, citing his own analysis of public data. He found instances of rape, robbery and aggravated assault were all down too.
Source: https://www.npr.org/2024/02/12/1229891045/police-crime-baltimore-san-francisco-minneapolis-murder-statistics
Democrats want higher taxes on the rich which would help close the wealth gap. The right wants the wealthy to get richer and pay less taxes.
Homelessness is a product of wealth inequality which is a conservative policy priority.
Your narrative doesn't align with reality but I understand why the poorly educated prefer feelings over facts.
He’s talking at state level not federal level. The housing crisis affects blue states more, you’re taxed more, and more homeless. But yes let’s blame it on Trump. Newsom is ruining California and would ruin the country with his policies but dems are all blind. Wake up remove the hate rhetoric and look at the big picture. Democrats ask for black votes and say they’ll change it for them but never do. POCs need to wake up and demand better. High crime rates, poor schools, HCOL. All democratic run cities. Stop voting for the same bullshit.
The second housing became a branch of investment it became the best interest of politicians to ignore the problem. Afterall none of them can run a successful campaign without corporate donorship.
Money has infected governance.
I’m Gen X and couldn’t afford a house, if that makes you feel any better. I also got my health insurance canceled because of a preexisting condition. Also, fired because I physically couldn’t make it into work some days. Fun stuff. But oh well. I make toys now.
Not saying this is untrue, but wouldn’t people who are *not* voting by those metrics *not* be on Redfin? Kinda like those WWII planes that needed to be patched where there WERE no holes
I vote Trump but he will worsen the housing crisis too because hes goal is to get the interest rates back down which will only exacerbate the buying spree of the easy loans for the rich.
Keep voting the same way you have and you will keep getting the same worsening results. Genz has fk’ed themselves so hard because of voting for “champagne” ideology of the elite while on beer budgets of the average Joe.
When will they catch on that the billionaires wealth exploded while the genz who believed the billionaires ideology can’t even afford a starter home in their 30-40’s that prior gens bought in their 20’s?
But you kids just keep that border flooded with illegals. Keep sending money overseas to fight wars. Keep overpaying colleges for garbage degrees that can’t pay back the insane levels of college loans. Keep hiring people to do BASIC diy tasks which save tons of money. Keep yolo’ing and FOMO on credit cards because “why not!”… keep believing that your MONTHLY cost is the only thing that matters and not the PURCHASE PRICE.
So keep believing the way you do and voting/ living like this as it’s only going to make it worse for you… those who are smart will scoop up all your money and you will own nothing in the end.
What are you even talking about. What does any of that have to do with private equity firms and real estate monopolies using price fixing software to profiteer in every aspect of the real estate market
Voting won’t change anything. All the politicians are in on the housing exploitation. This will take physical protest and marching, demanding top to bottom reform and relentless pressure on all those fucking up the whole real estate industry.
I got to say there are like 8 or 9 Dems that don't take corporate money that want the change you and I are looking for.
Who are they?
Here's a detailed and concise article about it. About a third of the way down is a graph that you can click on the dots to see who took how much, etc. Good luck out there. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/12/democrats-say-no-pacs/
Thank you
By chance is there a 2024 guide as the elections are coming up in the Summer to Autumn period for most folk in the USA?
https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/top-recipients/2024 It's on the same site.
Thank you
Exactly
Thats the problem with the Democrats - its like voting for the Social-Dems in Weimer Germany. You need an agressive party thats willing to manhandle its opponents. The Republicans have been absolutely gutting the country for the last 40 years and the Democrats get by with a passive resistance like, “Oh well, at least we tried! We’ll just crack an extra bottle of magnum when we go off to our mansions in the hills and pat ourselves on the back for trying to help the peasantry.” There’s no grassroots movements with the Democrats trying to change things. Occassionally something like “Occupy Wall Street” will pop up, but, they just break some stuff for a few weeks and the movement fizzles out. The Moral Majority, Tea Party, this whole Trump thing - the Republicans have all kinds of grassroots people actively trying to achieve their goals. The Democrats have none of this. Just happy to talk tough while doing absolutely nothing.
Well, I should be clear. I'm not a fan of Democrats either. DSA, sunrise movement, the Justice Democrats, More perfect union, our revolution, there are others. But you're generally correct overall, the Dems don't fight. Of course, there are some minor exceptions to that too. I do believe both parties act like controlled oppositions in support of their corporate donors. Yay democracy! I will have to also disagree and say that Republicans really aren't grassroots, at least from what I've seen. It's most always AstroTurf. Cheers.
Sure, I guess I’d have to look at the money trail, but it’s not like anyone on Wall Street or Washington was dumping money trying to create a religious revolution in the 1970s. That thing kind of happened on its own through the efforts of a lot of highly motivated regular people working together. It took them 50 years to get what they wanted, but it worked and Roe no more. And this is just what average people were able to accomplish. Just think about what the high-IQ, high net-worth people have been doing to the country. Just, my point is the Democrats don’t have anything like that sustained level of effort over many years. One minute its No Farms, No Food. Then its off to George Floyd. Then Gaza. In another few months it’ll be whales, or smoking, or plastic bags or something else. TikTok activism, in other words. AOC on Kimmel wearing a $2500 dress talking about “Trump doesnt want to mess with a girl from the Bronx”. Jesus. Why dont you shut up and friggin do something, God damnit. Nothing that genuinely seeks to gain power. I mean, I bet if you asked the rank-and-file Democrat they’d tell you the LAST thing they want is power and influence. What would the average Trump supporter say to the same question? That’s a big problem.
Unfortunately the DSA, Sunrise Movement and Justice Dems are communists. They don’t respect private property and will only be happy with a complete government takeover of property.
Justice Democrats are not communists, The other two, I can see why you would think that. Sure. To be sure, the capitalist housing market has worked great so far, so let's not think about changing anything. It's so easy to afford property nowadays you know? /s
We are not in a true capitalist housing market. A true market would be a completely deregulated housing market - no zoning policies, environmental reviews, no restrictions on insurance - just a pure free market.
I'm sorry to tell you though that we do live in a capitalist economic system, so, whatever ideals you have, reality is what it is. That is capitalism in its current form.
We live in an oligarchic system - not true capitalism. The answer is not communism like the organizations you espouse would like us to be in.
The organizations that I respect are not all Communists. And you can call it whatever you want, it is an oligarchy, but it is also capitalism. "True capitalism" is just the no true Scotsman fallacy. We live in a capitalist organization of the economy. It's just reality.
If you had $500/mo. in student loans forgiven would that make homes more affordable? Only one side is doing this.
Literally. I think people are kinda dramatic. Also why can’t we do both? Why can’t voting and protesting and such be done?
You think people who can’t understand that a loan will need to be repaid and that a degree is for the purpose of increasing your ability to earn(thus pay off loans to get it) are going to make smart investments in a home? Ridiculous.
I think people that have made 120 on-time, full, scheduled, monthly payments in order to qualify for loan forgiveness, are exactly the ones that will make a good investment in a home.
What about people that never went to college because they couldn’t afford it? Without a college education they’re likely even more fucked by the housing crisis. Shouldn’t everyone be entitled to $500/mo?
If they’ve been paying $500/mo, they have also paid back *at least* $60,000, mostly in interest. Most forgiven loans would be in the 15 year range so they likely more than paid back the original amount. Odds are, because of that degree, they will pay far more in income taxes over their lifetime than if they didn’t get that degree. There’s more… they are less likely to go to prison or need social services. They’ll be healthier for longer. Pay more in property taxes, volunteer and contribute to local charities… What is an educated society worth?
I’m all for an educated society. I agree to all the benefits. I did not think about it as what they have overpaid through interest, and that many people have already paid the original balance. Thank you for that viewpoint. I have a few friends that went the no college route because of the high cost. But their thoughts on student loan forgiveness is always “what about me?”. Some have taken on debt to further their careers, buying tools, attending workshops/classes, or taking out business loans. Many times with predatory interest rates. Seems we’re in need of some sort of UBI system if prices keep rising. We also need to ban corporations from owning large swaths of residential real estate. But the corporations seem to always win.
Voting changes a lot. Anyone who can’t see we need a MUCH SMALLER GOVT and much lower wasted tax dollars is clueless.
The the only thing that will fix it is voting in younger candidates. None of those old fucks give a shit. And the scale of protest required would have to be insane for their hand to be forced
Except those younger candidates all grow up in the same disconnected rich households. They’re just as clueless and just as buried in it.
Tax vacation homes
Protest against whom? The problem is bigger than one or two guys.
Who said a protest would be against one or two guys? They never are. Not for all the social movements anyway. It's always for a much larger cause/topic/concept.
What did Occupy Wall Street, BLM, and all the others accomplish?
Some protests without a clearly stated objective or well-mannered leadership didn't accomplish anything? This is my surprised Pikachu face. As for the rest that changed the course of history, they succeeded. As do unions.
A real estate company says the #1 issue is real estate. Doubt there’s any bias there.
Lol! But young people don't have any path to homeownership without parents
That is just stupid. They won't vote for Trump no matter what. Fake news.
In Europe conservatives and right-wing parties have huge support among Gen Z
While some can’t bring themselves to vote for a party that would strip women’s rights etc. A significant portion still vote for trump with the hope that he will be « disruptive » to the system and burn it all down. They are dumb and he of course won’t, nor will he affect any significant change for the better, he will just exploit as much as possible for personal gain and make everything worse while making the situation as fucked if not worse.
So who are thy voting for then? I'm not aware of any major party that actually has cared about this issue. And before someone says "BuT DeMs CaRe," they might want to look at what states have the worst housing costs, the most houseless, and the biggest disparities.
The states with the worst housing costs are the ones people want to live in. The states with the most homeless are the ones with the best social services. Dems push for multi-use zoning much more than Reps. Dems push against corporations (that buy single family homes) more than Reps. Dems are by no means perfect, but it's not hard to be better than absolute dogshit. Edit: Also, don't forget that the climate migration caused by the rep's complete and utter disregard for climate change will increase housing issues immensely as people move out of uninhabitable hellscapes. So yeah vote for republicans if you want a small tax break that just fucks you over later for orders of magnitude more impact.
It's a good thing that the "left" party has a comprehensive and effective policy platform on housing....
Where the left rules for decades, the cost of living is the highest, crime highest, rich poor gap the largest, homelessness the highest. But keep voting how you are voting…plenty of us are making bank on those who have no common sense. Dems told you the plan… you will own nothing and you will(be forced to) like it.
You're lost, old man. I'm not talking to you.
Are you living in a different timeline? Republicans have had the presidency 12 years out of the last 23. The left hasn't ruled for decades. Bush's presidency was followed by the Great recession. Trump's presidency was followed by post covid inflation. Cost of living is a function of corporations taking advantage of us under the guise of inflation. Look at corporate profits after 2020. "The national picture shows that murder is falling. We have data from over 200 cities showing a 12.2% decline ... in 2023 relative to 2022," Asher said, citing his own analysis of public data. He found instances of rape, robbery and aggravated assault were all down too. Source: https://www.npr.org/2024/02/12/1229891045/police-crime-baltimore-san-francisco-minneapolis-murder-statistics Democrats want higher taxes on the rich which would help close the wealth gap. The right wants the wealthy to get richer and pay less taxes. Homelessness is a product of wealth inequality which is a conservative policy priority. Your narrative doesn't align with reality but I understand why the poorly educated prefer feelings over facts.
He’s talking at state level not federal level. The housing crisis affects blue states more, you’re taxed more, and more homeless. But yes let’s blame it on Trump. Newsom is ruining California and would ruin the country with his policies but dems are all blind. Wake up remove the hate rhetoric and look at the big picture. Democrats ask for black votes and say they’ll change it for them but never do. POCs need to wake up and demand better. High crime rates, poor schools, HCOL. All democratic run cities. Stop voting for the same bullshit.
The second housing became a branch of investment it became the best interest of politicians to ignore the problem. Afterall none of them can run a successful campaign without corporate donorship. Money has infected governance.
I’m Gen X and couldn’t afford a house, if that makes you feel any better. I also got my health insurance canceled because of a preexisting condition. Also, fired because I physically couldn’t make it into work some days. Fun stuff. But oh well. I make toys now.
Wow such a hard platform to become president by young voters. Amazing.
Boomers won’t care. And they’re the ones that vote anyways.
Won’t get that from Trump/Biden. Vote Jill Stein
Kennedy seems like the obvious choice on this one. https://www.kennedy24.com/housing
Not saying this is untrue, but wouldn’t people who are *not* voting by those metrics *not* be on Redfin? Kinda like those WWII planes that needed to be patched where there WERE no holes
I vote Trump but he will worsen the housing crisis too because hes goal is to get the interest rates back down which will only exacerbate the buying spree of the easy loans for the rich.
Redfin survey lol.
exactly
Keep voting the same way you have and you will keep getting the same worsening results. Genz has fk’ed themselves so hard because of voting for “champagne” ideology of the elite while on beer budgets of the average Joe. When will they catch on that the billionaires wealth exploded while the genz who believed the billionaires ideology can’t even afford a starter home in their 30-40’s that prior gens bought in their 20’s? But you kids just keep that border flooded with illegals. Keep sending money overseas to fight wars. Keep overpaying colleges for garbage degrees that can’t pay back the insane levels of college loans. Keep hiring people to do BASIC diy tasks which save tons of money. Keep yolo’ing and FOMO on credit cards because “why not!”… keep believing that your MONTHLY cost is the only thing that matters and not the PURCHASE PRICE. So keep believing the way you do and voting/ living like this as it’s only going to make it worse for you… those who are smart will scoop up all your money and you will own nothing in the end.
What are you even talking about. What does any of that have to do with private equity firms and real estate monopolies using price fixing software to profiteer in every aspect of the real estate market
Trump of course