Worked with the bosses son once.
He was a first level. Im a jman.
Having a first level try to tell you what to do is infuriating.
Fuck you Ben you hopped up little shit.
My bosses son just got added to my install crew
He's not a bad person from what I can see and he doesn't do bad work he gets in the shit with us and pulls his weight for sure but it's definitely different now you never know what he'll repeat to pops at the dinner table
I'm testing this summer to be a Jman
Yeah this one dude was a fucking loser. He would sit on his phone halfway up a ladder playing chess. He'd do push-ups while the rest of us were working. Wore a big stupid fucking ring the size of a ping pong ball and refused to take it off (even when working panels, splicing, in machine rooms) to the extent he was due to be banned from one of the buildings we serviced. Probably in his mid 30s. Laid off frequently. Couldn't bend pipe, couldn't pull wires, idk what he was good at. He was a weird mix of highly confrontational and highly work-averse.
Huge drag on the local.
Like others have said. I'll add this. The Foreman knew his deal. The other journeymen knew. Keep your head down, do your best. He's there for a reason and you're learning how not to act.
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Many of us have been here. Suggestion, keep your mouth shut and show up and do your job. If things are done wrong or redone so much that it's noticed it's not on you it's on the mechanic. And they know you're a 1st year so shouldn't take it out on you at all. If they do it's not somewhere good to work.
I had to work with a guy similar to how you described. The days he called off, other guys would go fix his work. I got stuck working with him but I just kept my head down and did what I was told. When the job was almost finished, he was the first to be laid off. I’ll never forget our foreman thanking me for working with that guy because he couldn’t get anyone else to agree to it. The best advice I was ever given during my apprenticeship is this: you will decide what kind of JW that you want to be based on those you worked with. You will remember those good guys and the bad ones you worked with and the choice is yours to carry on being that good member for your local.
It may not last long? I was in a similar situation with a godawful JW. Dude was a fifth year for like four years because he couldn't pass the test. Did the least possible, everything he did was wrong and had to be re-done by someone else. Dude spent most of his time telling me what to do while standing around on his phone and what he was telling me was basically just "don't measure, just eyeball it and make it work somehow, it's all going behind ceiling grid anyways so no one will care."
It got to the point where I was considering who I should talk to in order to get with another JW or transferred to another contractor but after a month or so - once the work slowed down to the point they weren't desperate for warm bodies - he got laid off.
It was at that point I found out everyone on the crew knew what was up and I got legit respect for keeping head my down, following directions, and busting ass. Your situation may be different but it's good to keep in mind that (usually!) the people you work with are smart, hardworking union siblings and theyll already know they put you with a shit brick. They'll see what you do and how you handled yourself in a difficult spot.
Had a JW that organized into my local after (working backwards in order) being on a three year crack binge, being in jail, getting booted out of his original local. He was….a chore. I, as an apprentice, had to pick up my JW from the homeless shelter daily for work. During the ride in my vehicle, he would attempt to smoke (I don’t smoke), tell me what route to take, and even try to tell me the music I listened to was “satanic.” While working, he would try to put me in dangerous situations or situations that would’ve resulted in me being fired. He wasn’t very knowledgeable about the trade at all, and was unwilling to learn new skills.
You can learn something from anyone. I learned from him that I didn’t ever want to work with that guy again.
I worked with a guy who carried a gun everywhere, snorted crushed oxies off every flat surface, took me on side jobs where he was coked up getting hit left and right, tried to fight me, pulled a gun on me held it to my ribs then said " just fuckin with you", stole soo much copper then told me if I told anyone he'd be sorry for my family but he would kill me. I finally just asked the foreman for a lay off
The worst JW I ever had was actually the most knowledgeable one I ever had as well... I started off with him right out the gate as a 1st year non-union apprentice... I learned a shit ton from him, and I'll always be grateful for that... after I went into my 3rd year, he flipped a switch in his brain and refused to teach me anything, expected me to work on live circuits (despite being against our company policy), constantly belittled me in front of everyone... the final straw was when he wrote me up for bullshit reasons 3 times in the span of 1 week and essentially told me that he was trying to get me fired... I was always on time, didn't take breaks, didn't play around on my phone, always did my work plumb and level, exceeded expected task deadlines, when I didn't know something, I would ask questions and write it down, never talked back... I kept busy...
I'm glad I don't work with that asshole anymore, but he did teach me a lot in those first 2 years... I'm also grateful that I learned what not to be from him as well...
My first JW was pretty bad. I think my shithead foreman was trying to torpedo my career.
Anyways, this jw was unsafe, kinda lazy, yelled and threw things. Didn’t teach me anything.
He was the first to get fired/quit.
I had a JW who wouldn’t teach me anything because “that’s what you go to school for”. When he finally did start to show me how to bend pipe or wire a starter, he’d make these snide little comments under his breath. I think I’m pretty easy to get along with and when I’d ask if other people had issues with him they’d all say he was super nice to them and seemed like a good guy. Anyways I’ll never forget him.
EDIT: after reading other folks comments, mine experience doesn’t seem so bad lol
I’ve noticed this as well. It was pretty disappointing coming into the union as a first year, after studying code and doing a ton of research for a year before I got in, these guys have no drive and I don’t know why. Right now I’m redoing whole systems that a 5th year did while teaching my new journeyman how to do it. There’s a competency crisis, at least at this job I’m on. We’ll have big meetings on the details that the main contractor wants and the next day I’ll see MC had been put up that ignores those details completely. Right now there’s a new crew that comes in after us that fixes all these mistakes that aren’t passing inspection.
As long as you show up and do good work the foreman more than likely will recognize it and won’t punish you. If you feel it’s a legit concern talk to your foreman
I worked with a JW one time that was pretty stupid. He wouldn't let me put a no dog until after the first bend of the offset on bc that's supposedly what you're suppose to do. I also tried to warn him we wouldn't have room to turn an offset on. He couldn't understand me so I just had to let him try until he ran into the problem. He would ask me, "What is 10 -27?" Or ,"What is 9 - 35?" Id give him a negative number and he would just pretend I said I dont know. He forgot his hard hat one day and we had him borrow one from the customer. He put his name on it via label not realizing we had to return it. So we had to clean off the residue, which took time. His name is identical to mine so I wonder if God was trying to tell me something.
I’m a fitter apprentice and my first jman was like this, he was actually a hell of a fitter tho, he just didn’t show up, but he got laid off and I stayed several months longer than he did
I asked my JW how to do cleaner splices. He told me not to be so gay and walked away. That was one of the better times of asking for him to help me raise my quality of work. Currently looking to get more work through the union or another company.
My advice would be wait until you’re able to talk to your director about making a change. Unless it’s actually affecting you learning though i wouldn’t worry.
I’m planning on making a switch as soon as our book clears up. I work for a worm of a project manager and I can’t wait to get hell out of there.
Holy fuck my only Jw I worked for before I went stay at home dad was that but actually skilled lol major alcoholic and avid pot head. Morgan and cokes every night and toking up on breaks or when we had to drive back to the shop. Road rage was awful and slung a few hard R’s in the sea of cussing he had on speed recall. I made a few mistakes here and there at the beginning and at the very end. I’d have other trades comment on “how fun it must be to work with the guy” and look in pity as I’d get my head bit off daily. Damn hard to work with but that was how he was raised. Not an excuse but finding that out had me listen to his stories instead of ignore and avoid them. At the end he caught himself screaming a few times and actually apologized. He was holding back whatever he could call tears when I said my goodbyes (so was I). These 50s+ trades guys often lived through shit, abusive childhoods and apprenticeships. Just know the JW isn’t your responsibility and learn what to do, and especially what NOT to do.
I get along great with everybody usually, but as an apprentice I was paired up with this old woman for a bit who was so miserable that it started effecting my life outside of work. Everyday after work I would be so bummed out and dreading having to go back the next day and spend all day with her. she was the type of person that you say "goodmorning" to and she would scoff and say some bullshit like "yeah and why the fuck is it a good morning?!". spewing hate for everyone and everything all day while blasting the worst pop country music. I dont know why she was so miserable either, she had an insane house on a huge piece of property and a very succesful side business. Everyday shed go on and on about how she hates the job and cant wait to get laid off, and then she cried when they laid her off. misery loves company I guess
FWIW, I have worked with stellar people who hit a rough patch and their work turned into shit, who have gone back to stellar employees.
Life can really fuck you sometimes. Not saying this dude isn't a pure shit bag all the time, but maybe his wife just ran off with his kids or something.
Had a lot of bad JIW's one that was more interesting than bad was this dude named V, he was constantly drunk on Coke when he came in the morning and was just all over the fucking place dude made me uneasy but I was a traveling apprentice on a short call, I had no idea what to do, talked to another JIW I trusted I think he said something to the GF was still stuck with the guy for the rest of the call though.
Lay offs aren’t the end of the world and with you being a first year you normally don’t have to worry about layoffs until a job is almost finished. You’re cheap labor, they like to keep cheap labor. Just work at what you can and maybe even talk to your foreman about it. Don’t stress man, you got a great career. Welcome to the IBEW
That should never ever be ok for an apprentice to feel like they aren't able to speak up on their own behalf... They're accountable and responsible for learning what they need to know from a competent JW that does his work in a neat, clean, and organized way... I would not hesitate to go to the JATC and ask for a rotation to a different contractor..
There is no need to throw a brother under the bus, but don't go willingly under it with him if he's not training you properly... have you tried talking to him about what you expect your relationship to be like?
...going into a situation, you should expect to just follow the orders given to you, but in order to get respect, you need to earn it.. no matter which side of the equation you're in
Talk to him first... don't feel like you won't be heard if you haven't said anything to him yet... you need to challenge his manner of work... tell him you want to sit down to talk... explain to him how he's disappointing your expectations of him, and that he needs to improve the situation because he's the one in charge... if he won't listen, go to the training director and ask for a rotation with as little detail as necessary... he's still a brother, but that doesn't mean he should be your headache
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I'm not IBEW, but I am an UAW electrician apprentice. I've been very lucky in having fantastic journeymen. I've heard horror stories and hope I never have to experience this. Good luck my friend.
I had a journeyman tell me "You're gonna work on the box. I don't care if it's hot. And if you don't, I'll have the foreman fire you"..... as a CW, I didn't know any better, so I did it, but I let the entire local know about it
As shitty as this sounds, use this as a learning experience. If you know how to run the pipe, slowly start taking charge and make sure it's done correctly.
Bosses son
Worked with the bosses son once. He was a first level. Im a jman. Having a first level try to tell you what to do is infuriating. Fuck you Ben you hopped up little shit.
Hey fuck you Steven! You don’t even know my life!
Lawl what
Sorry that stinks toss me some tp so I can wipe the Ben of my Steven
It’s me Ben Seymour Richard Or sir Ben Seymour dick too you
My bosses son just got added to my install crew He's not a bad person from what I can see and he doesn't do bad work he gets in the shit with us and pulls his weight for sure but it's definitely different now you never know what he'll repeat to pops at the dinner table I'm testing this summer to be a Jman
Yeah this one dude was a fucking loser. He would sit on his phone halfway up a ladder playing chess. He'd do push-ups while the rest of us were working. Wore a big stupid fucking ring the size of a ping pong ball and refused to take it off (even when working panels, splicing, in machine rooms) to the extent he was due to be banned from one of the buildings we serviced. Probably in his mid 30s. Laid off frequently. Couldn't bend pipe, couldn't pull wires, idk what he was good at. He was a weird mix of highly confrontational and highly work-averse. Huge drag on the local. Like others have said. I'll add this. The Foreman knew his deal. The other journeymen knew. Keep your head down, do your best. He's there for a reason and you're learning how not to act.
Was this in Louisiana?
Bruh I was thinking the same thing
Fucking Shane
Lol this guy sounds like a sitcom character
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Many of us have been here. Suggestion, keep your mouth shut and show up and do your job. If things are done wrong or redone so much that it's noticed it's not on you it's on the mechanic. And they know you're a 1st year so shouldn't take it out on you at all. If they do it's not somewhere good to work.
Great advice thank you
Your journeyman is at fault if something is done incorrectly that’s why you’re an apprentice OP
I had to work with a guy similar to how you described. The days he called off, other guys would go fix his work. I got stuck working with him but I just kept my head down and did what I was told. When the job was almost finished, he was the first to be laid off. I’ll never forget our foreman thanking me for working with that guy because he couldn’t get anyone else to agree to it. The best advice I was ever given during my apprenticeship is this: you will decide what kind of JW that you want to be based on those you worked with. You will remember those good guys and the bad ones you worked with and the choice is yours to carry on being that good member for your local.
Very true
They're called shitbags, and there's an astonishing amount of them. Keep your head down, and nature will take care of the rest.
don't worry about those kind of guys or gals. show up do ur job go home safe.
It may not last long? I was in a similar situation with a godawful JW. Dude was a fifth year for like four years because he couldn't pass the test. Did the least possible, everything he did was wrong and had to be re-done by someone else. Dude spent most of his time telling me what to do while standing around on his phone and what he was telling me was basically just "don't measure, just eyeball it and make it work somehow, it's all going behind ceiling grid anyways so no one will care." It got to the point where I was considering who I should talk to in order to get with another JW or transferred to another contractor but after a month or so - once the work slowed down to the point they weren't desperate for warm bodies - he got laid off. It was at that point I found out everyone on the crew knew what was up and I got legit respect for keeping head my down, following directions, and busting ass. Your situation may be different but it's good to keep in mind that (usually!) the people you work with are smart, hardworking union siblings and theyll already know they put you with a shit brick. They'll see what you do and how you handled yourself in a difficult spot.
If you get laid off as a 1st year for having a shit JW then you’re better off.
Had a JW that organized into my local after (working backwards in order) being on a three year crack binge, being in jail, getting booted out of his original local. He was….a chore. I, as an apprentice, had to pick up my JW from the homeless shelter daily for work. During the ride in my vehicle, he would attempt to smoke (I don’t smoke), tell me what route to take, and even try to tell me the music I listened to was “satanic.” While working, he would try to put me in dangerous situations or situations that would’ve resulted in me being fired. He wasn’t very knowledgeable about the trade at all, and was unwilling to learn new skills. You can learn something from anyone. I learned from him that I didn’t ever want to work with that guy again.
I worked with a guy who carried a gun everywhere, snorted crushed oxies off every flat surface, took me on side jobs where he was coked up getting hit left and right, tried to fight me, pulled a gun on me held it to my ribs then said " just fuckin with you", stole soo much copper then told me if I told anyone he'd be sorry for my family but he would kill me. I finally just asked the foreman for a lay off
Was this a non union JW? That’s insane.
This was union. I was a first year apprentice and didn't want to rat the dude out. Heard he got kicked out of the union after I left the company.
The worst JW I ever had was actually the most knowledgeable one I ever had as well... I started off with him right out the gate as a 1st year non-union apprentice... I learned a shit ton from him, and I'll always be grateful for that... after I went into my 3rd year, he flipped a switch in his brain and refused to teach me anything, expected me to work on live circuits (despite being against our company policy), constantly belittled me in front of everyone... the final straw was when he wrote me up for bullshit reasons 3 times in the span of 1 week and essentially told me that he was trying to get me fired... I was always on time, didn't take breaks, didn't play around on my phone, always did my work plumb and level, exceeded expected task deadlines, when I didn't know something, I would ask questions and write it down, never talked back... I kept busy... I'm glad I don't work with that asshole anymore, but he did teach me a lot in those first 2 years... I'm also grateful that I learned what not to be from him as well...
"didn't take breaks" is not a flex
Agreed, it most certainly isn't.. that wasn't bragging.. that was me trying not to have a target on my back from that asshole..
My first JW was pretty bad. I think my shithead foreman was trying to torpedo my career. Anyways, this jw was unsafe, kinda lazy, yelled and threw things. Didn’t teach me anything. He was the first to get fired/quit.
Rigoberto. If you're out there, fuck you dawg
I had a JW who wouldn’t teach me anything because “that’s what you go to school for”. When he finally did start to show me how to bend pipe or wire a starter, he’d make these snide little comments under his breath. I think I’m pretty easy to get along with and when I’d ask if other people had issues with him they’d all say he was super nice to them and seemed like a good guy. Anyways I’ll never forget him. EDIT: after reading other folks comments, mine experience doesn’t seem so bad lol
Learn from his mistakes.
I’ve noticed this as well. It was pretty disappointing coming into the union as a first year, after studying code and doing a ton of research for a year before I got in, these guys have no drive and I don’t know why. Right now I’m redoing whole systems that a 5th year did while teaching my new journeyman how to do it. There’s a competency crisis, at least at this job I’m on. We’ll have big meetings on the details that the main contractor wants and the next day I’ll see MC had been put up that ignores those details completely. Right now there’s a new crew that comes in after us that fixes all these mistakes that aren’t passing inspection.
As long as you show up and do good work the foreman more than likely will recognize it and won’t punish you. If you feel it’s a legit concern talk to your foreman
I worked with a JW one time that was pretty stupid. He wouldn't let me put a no dog until after the first bend of the offset on bc that's supposedly what you're suppose to do. I also tried to warn him we wouldn't have room to turn an offset on. He couldn't understand me so I just had to let him try until he ran into the problem. He would ask me, "What is 10 -27?" Or ,"What is 9 - 35?" Id give him a negative number and he would just pretend I said I dont know. He forgot his hard hat one day and we had him borrow one from the customer. He put his name on it via label not realizing we had to return it. So we had to clean off the residue, which took time. His name is identical to mine so I wonder if God was trying to tell me something.
I’m a fitter apprentice and my first jman was like this, he was actually a hell of a fitter tho, he just didn’t show up, but he got laid off and I stayed several months longer than he did
Remember, no one is useless. They can be used as bad examples. You're still learning. It's just what not to do.
I asked my JW how to do cleaner splices. He told me not to be so gay and walked away. That was one of the better times of asking for him to help me raise my quality of work. Currently looking to get more work through the union or another company.
My advice would be wait until you’re able to talk to your director about making a change. Unless it’s actually affecting you learning though i wouldn’t worry. I’m planning on making a switch as soon as our book clears up. I work for a worm of a project manager and I can’t wait to get hell out of there.
Holy fuck my only Jw I worked for before I went stay at home dad was that but actually skilled lol major alcoholic and avid pot head. Morgan and cokes every night and toking up on breaks or when we had to drive back to the shop. Road rage was awful and slung a few hard R’s in the sea of cussing he had on speed recall. I made a few mistakes here and there at the beginning and at the very end. I’d have other trades comment on “how fun it must be to work with the guy” and look in pity as I’d get my head bit off daily. Damn hard to work with but that was how he was raised. Not an excuse but finding that out had me listen to his stories instead of ignore and avoid them. At the end he caught himself screaming a few times and actually apologized. He was holding back whatever he could call tears when I said my goodbyes (so was I). These 50s+ trades guys often lived through shit, abusive childhoods and apprenticeships. Just know the JW isn’t your responsibility and learn what to do, and especially what NOT to do.
I get along great with everybody usually, but as an apprentice I was paired up with this old woman for a bit who was so miserable that it started effecting my life outside of work. Everyday after work I would be so bummed out and dreading having to go back the next day and spend all day with her. she was the type of person that you say "goodmorning" to and she would scoff and say some bullshit like "yeah and why the fuck is it a good morning?!". spewing hate for everyone and everything all day while blasting the worst pop country music. I dont know why she was so miserable either, she had an insane house on a huge piece of property and a very succesful side business. Everyday shed go on and on about how she hates the job and cant wait to get laid off, and then she cried when they laid her off. misery loves company I guess
FWIW, I have worked with stellar people who hit a rough patch and their work turned into shit, who have gone back to stellar employees. Life can really fuck you sometimes. Not saying this dude isn't a pure shit bag all the time, but maybe his wife just ran off with his kids or something.
Had a lot of bad JIW's one that was more interesting than bad was this dude named V, he was constantly drunk on Coke when he came in the morning and was just all over the fucking place dude made me uneasy but I was a traveling apprentice on a short call, I had no idea what to do, talked to another JIW I trusted I think he said something to the GF was still stuck with the guy for the rest of the call though.
Lay offs aren’t the end of the world and with you being a first year you normally don’t have to worry about layoffs until a job is almost finished. You’re cheap labor, they like to keep cheap labor. Just work at what you can and maybe even talk to your foreman about it. Don’t stress man, you got a great career. Welcome to the IBEW
That should never ever be ok for an apprentice to feel like they aren't able to speak up on their own behalf... They're accountable and responsible for learning what they need to know from a competent JW that does his work in a neat, clean, and organized way... I would not hesitate to go to the JATC and ask for a rotation to a different contractor.. There is no need to throw a brother under the bus, but don't go willingly under it with him if he's not training you properly... have you tried talking to him about what you expect your relationship to be like? ...going into a situation, you should expect to just follow the orders given to you, but in order to get respect, you need to earn it.. no matter which side of the equation you're in
Thank you for the advice. I haven’t said much because I dont want to ruffle any feathers but maybe I should say something
Talk to him first... don't feel like you won't be heard if you haven't said anything to him yet... you need to challenge his manner of work... tell him you want to sit down to talk... explain to him how he's disappointing your expectations of him, and that he needs to improve the situation because he's the one in charge... if he won't listen, go to the training director and ask for a rotation with as little detail as necessary... he's still a brother, but that doesn't mean he should be your headache
Tye
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I'm not IBEW, but I am an UAW electrician apprentice. I've been very lucky in having fantastic journeymen. I've heard horror stories and hope I never have to experience this. Good luck my friend.
What’s jw?
I had a journeyman tell me "You're gonna work on the box. I don't care if it's hot. And if you don't, I'll have the foreman fire you"..... as a CW, I didn't know any better, so I did it, but I let the entire local know about it
As shitty as this sounds, use this as a learning experience. If you know how to run the pipe, slowly start taking charge and make sure it's done correctly.
Thank you
No worries. I'm 54, I had several shitty JWs in my apprenticeship. Show up, do your job the best you can, and other people will notice.
Jerk wad?
You’ll be a fun JW someday. I can hear you now; “This apprentice is unorganized and sloppy,” etc. etc.
Lol by no means am I perfect! I hope to be a great teacher some day
Tf is a JW