I think the defense knew this was coming, hence recent filings.
I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but if you're going to have it in your state, and if a jury does find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I'm struggling to think of what kind of crime would warrant the death penalty if this one doesn't.
When the killer in the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas’ shootings didn’t get the death penalty in his trial I started to wonder what kind of crime would be elegible for that penalty if this one wasn’t. Sorry about the bad English and for mixing up cases
Yes! my whole opinion on the death penalty changed after his trial. If he, someone who extensively premeditated to murder SEVENTEEN people doesn’t get the death penalty then who should ???
Florida changed its laws after his trial. Florida law previously stated that the jury needed to be unanimous for the DP but because either 1 or 2 (can’t remember) voted no, despite the fact the majority said yes, he got life.
The Parkland trial was thrown by two jurors that lied their way onto the jury to play God and save Cruz.
Their names are Denise Cunha and Melody Vanoy (public record)
Thanks to those two, the Parkland victims will never get justice
That is not why Nicholas Cruz was not given the death penalty. He was tried as an adult. He pleaded guilty and the jury went right to the penalty phase. The jurors voted 9-3 in favor of DP but it has to be unanimous for a death sentence. Jurors voting no cited mitigating factors, such as Cruz's mental illness and alleged fetal alcohol syndrome.
God you're ignorant
The shooter wasn't even a minor
Why do people on reddit always insist on chiming in on things they've never taken 2 seconds to educate themselves about
I was on a jury for a triple murder trial in Eastern Washington, not far from where these murders occurred. It was also a heinous crime where the defendant was estranged from his wife and murdered his mother in law, father in law and brother in law before setting the place on fire. Two days before the end of the trial one juror never came back (he was excused). The rumor was he left with some excuse as top why he couldn't serve any longer, but the truth was he was afraid we would have to decide whether the defendant should be put to death if he was found guilty. Thankfully, even though Washington does have the death penalty, there is a memorandum on executions so we never had to go down that path.
I actually knew Ethan Chapin and even so, I would rather this asshole spend 23.5 hours a day in solitary confinement because killing him would not make him suffer. I don't fault any of the families involved if they feel differently.
Curious as to why you are against (I dont have an educated opinion at this point so no argument here). Also don't many of those receiving DP just appeal it 5000 times and draw it out?
Oh, I don't know, it's so complex.
To start, there's little conclusive evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent to horrendous crimes. Then, there are the ethical and moral implications. Is killing someone justified because they killed someone else? What if they acted out of a mental handicap such as ultra-low IQ? What if their childhood warped them into their behavior? Plus, black men are convicted at disproportionally greater rates than white men - and why is that? What if the jury simply gets it wrong?
This may sound crass, but my primary objection is around cost. The cost of a death penalty is just way more expensive than sentencing someone to life in prison. The average death row inmate spends 19 years in appeals; there are a few who have been on death row for 30+ years. Death penalty trials can cost 3x as much as a regular life-in-prison charge.
The state of California spends $85,000 per year on each of its 748 death row inmates; by contrast, a standard inmate cost around $43K per year.
One study found each death row inmate generated an average of $368,000 in legal fees passed on to taxpayers due to a seemingly endless appeals loop and some of those legal options are available to those only on death row.
Finally, there's a weird "celebrity" to death row inmates, and I get it, there's a lot of macabre culture out there but it just hits a major "ick" factor for me, personally.
Sources: Ballotpedia, AP, ProPublica
> The state of California spends $85,000 per year on each of its 748 death row inmates; by contrast, a standard inmate cost around $43K per year.
This is crazy since California has a moratorium on executions since 2019.
[How cost per inmate is estimated](https://www.vera.org/publications/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends-prison-spending)
Not only is it morally questionable to kill someone (and usually because they killed someone else which we have all agreed is wrong, so it should be wrong here too), but for me the death penalty punishes more than the accused.
The family of that person will also have to suffer a loss that is not necessary. They did not commit a crime but will suffer anyway. If it is later found the person was wrongfully convicted and executed, everyone involved in the trial will then have to live with that.
No one should be killing anyone and that includes the state.
From what i heard prison can go into abusive territory. If he's guilty, i don't think he should be put to death. He deserves to rot in a cell and i doubt he'll be treated kindly for this level of crime
Just wanted to say, respectfully, that having a child/sibling/other loved one found guilty and sentenced to life in prison is already a tremendous loss. I think it's reasonable that many people in this situation would actually prefer the death penalty, so they could gain closure and begin healing.
Another point, countering your comment on potential wrongful convictions, is that there's a fairly high rate of crimes committed *in prison* by life sentence inmates. I don't have stats handy, but have definitely come across this info before.
Thanks. Respectfully, I have a brother in prison and I would absolutely not want him to die rather than be in prison. People don’t know what they are talking about until they live it.
I'll be jumped on for this one, but I think life without parole would be much worse. He is a young man and being locked up in a tiny cell in a small world called prison will be torture. He will never go on a trip, eat what they give him, have no control over his day to day life, and realize that his crime was stupid, and he will be there until he dies because of his own stupidity.
I have always felt life in prison was worse punishment compared to the death penalty, for the same reasons you listed. You definitely should not be jumped on for your reasoning.
In my opinion, I am also sure as someone who ‘allegedly’ killed what many consider ‘children’, he would be more likely to have a harder time inside than most. Many have college kids on the outside and probably would take it personally..
"*The State gives this notice based on the fact that it has not identified or been provided with any mitigating circumstances sufficient to prohibit the triers of fact from considering all penalties
authorized by the Idaho legislature including the possibility of capital sentence. Consequently, considering all evidence currently known to the State, the State is compelled to file this notice of intent to seek the death penalty.*"
Seattle Times: [Prosecutors seek the death penalty against man accused of slaying of 4 University of Idaho students](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/prosecutors-seek-the-death-penalty-against-man-accused-of-slaying-of-4-university-of-idaho-students/)
This means the State has a solid case or else they wouldn't seek the Death penalty in fear of the jurors not wanting to put someone to death without solid evidence.
This prosecutor is solid, down to earth, and very good at what he does. The moment I saw this filed I knew they have VERY strong evidence that we probably couldn't even begin to imagine. I am now entirely confident in their case.
I've been wondering if maybe there were cameras in the house. It would make sense with 5 girls living there alone. They could have him on camera committing some or all of the murders and they've somehow managed to keep it a secret. That would be the ultimate evidence and make it a slam dunk case.
I'd never even considered that! Isn't Kaylee's dad in the tech field too? It would have been extremely easy to keep that secret, even without the gag order, that's something the defense wouldn't want known either! I've always wondered about one of their cell phones recording. The info about what time Xana was on tiktok was extremely specific. I don't know enough about the app to know if it just saves all interactions down to the second or if she'd possibly hit record or something. It was a way out there and very uneducated thought. You're thinking in the right way though no matter what! It is very probable that there is bombshell evidence, we have no way of knowing. In all reality and to be fair, both sides may have some mindblowing info for all we know. We have such a tiny glimpse at some initial evidence, that may not even be relevant still.
Remember though, in Idaho in order for the defendant to get life in prison without the possibility of parole, the death penalty must be sought. The jurors can then choose life without parole instead of death. Otherwise, the convicted is eligible after serving 10 years. IIRC, the judge can “stack” the 10 years for each murder charge, or in other words, have them served consecutively, not concurrently. Even if the convicted is eligible after 10 years for parole doesn’t necessarily mean it will be granted.
To see how this works in real time, watch the sentencing of Lori Vallow in Idaho on July 31st. Her attorneys successfully got the death penalty taken off of the table (with the help of the prosecutors & some discovery violations) and she was convicted of 2 murder charges, & 3 conspiracy to commit murder charges (in addition to a couple of less serious crimes.) In Idaho under the law, conspiracy to commit murder is treated the same as actually committing the murder.
So, it will be interesting to see how the judge decides to sentence her.
Here is a link to the Idaho statute that explains it much better than I have.
[Idaho Statute 18-4004](https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch40/sect18-4004/)
They could. It's an alternative to lethal injection. The [*Idaho Capital Sun* reported](https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/03/25/idaho-governor-signs-bill-to-allow-firing-squad-as-an-alternative-form-of-execution/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Death%20Penalty,carried%20out%20by%20firing%20squad.) that the state hasn't been able to carry out the scheduled execution of inmate Gerald Pizzuto Jr. because it was unable to obtain the drug pentobarbital.
[Idaho becomes the latest state to permit execution by firing squad : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/26/1166139433/idaho-is-the-latest-state-to-permit-execution-by-firing-squad)
Man that's hectic. I couldn't even begin to wonder what that would be like for everyone involved. From witnesses to the firing squad itself.
Would it be weird to say I hope the defence can argue against it well enough to save the poor folks who have to shoot him?
I wonder if they could have like a remote operated firing squad. I realize that someone would still have to "push the button" so to speak, but perhaps not having actual people point, aim, and pull the trigger could help shield a bunch of people from the burden of killing someone? I have no idea if this would be legally/ethically/constitutionally allowed, but I know that the inmates/attorneys in this firing squad legislation actually argued *in favor of* firing squad, as they felt it was less painful and more humane.
In death by firing squad, they give say 10 men guns, and load blanks in either 8 or 9, if I am remembering correctly, and they all shoot at the same time. They never find out if their gun had the live ammo or a blank. It’s humane to the firing squad.
I was a secondary victim/witness in a low profile attempted murder case and even that took a year and a half before a resolution. We were a week away from trial when the defendant gave in and decided to plea guilty. We had court dates every few months during that time where pretty much nothing happened except scheduling more dates. I never realized before how long the legal system can take when it comes to this kind of stuff. I can only assume that it will take even longer with a case to this magnitude.
Imo, a year and a half for resolution is actually relatively quick. My best friend and her little sister were victims of a violent kidnapping/attempted murder (additionally, the guy was caught on the recorded jail phones trying to solicit someone to murder them so that they couldn't testify) and the case was dragged out for 5 years while the defendant played games. Ultimately, he took a plea that was basically time served and ran concurrent with the time he was already serving for violating his parole on his previous felonies. Essentially, he received "credit" for his prior felonies, which were applied towards this case, and he served no additional time at all.
Sorry to get off topic, but yes, the legal system can be incredibly slow.
I feel as though it’s more than likely going to be delayed. They will probably want the trial to be in another county of Idaho, which is going to delay the trial.
PS: your username is amazing…love Jensen Ackles
I think instead of the death penalty they should lock him in 24 hour solitary confinement...He could use the floor for the bathroom and they could toss in a moldy piece of bread now and again...no contact with people...no lights...no tablets or books...the cement floor for a bed... just left all alone with his sick thoughts...That is torture and that is what he deserves
An eye for an eye .. I think a lot of people you know you’re interested in the story, but they weren’t your family members so imagine if it was your mother or your father your daughter, your son you would want him to rot in hell, and I believe in an eye for an eye, and I hope they give him the most painful death possible because he freaking deserves it if he’s guilty and we all know he is
I haven't seen anything that would convince me he's guilty. You sound like a very angry person yourself, scary angry. Some questionable touch dna allegedly on a knife sheath is not enough to make me send anyone to their death.
“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”technically means that the punishment is no more than the crime. Therefore, it would mean that the mode of death would be stabbing, I guess in the probably in the most common “kill spot” of the victims. This is a gross answer, sorry, but, that adage is actually supposed to deter escalation of violence but can clearly go grotesquely in the other direction!
You are correct, but to be a little more precise while certain aspects of the genetic genealogy search will be disclosed to the defense there is a strong possibility that the judge will not allow it to be presented to the jury. And even if it is presented to the jury during the guilt phase, assuming they come back with guilty it will become totally irrelevant to the sentencing phase.
From what I’ve heard about the most recent filing they did not find anything in his car apartment office or house in PA I’m not following super closely so I could be missing something.
I would think he would transfer evidence to his car obviously. I’m quite aware of the evidence they do have. Touch dna could mean that he shook someone’s hand who later went knife shopping. I’m wondering if that is enough dna evidence
>I would think he would transfer evidence to his car obviously.
Why would you think that? What evidence would be on him to transfer?
>Touch dna could mean that he shook someone’s hand who later went knife shopping.
That's a leap you can't make with a reasonable argument.
Prosecution seems to be trying to fail now. They must have amazing secret evidence because as it stands, the death penalty only makes it harder on the jury to say there is no reasonable doubt.
Let the wannabe cop sit in prison for life, the inmates will torture him and the case is not big enough profile for bk to be idolized or for the death penalty to be an examplory justice
I believe they can’t file for the DP later once their deadline is up. They are probably still building a case, it’s really only been 6 months since he’s been arrested. I for one think the recent motion by the defense is the only one to show any exculpatory evidence so far
Mm-hum—IMHO, what that spells out so early in the game, is the prosecution’s confident on the weight of the evidence & might be willing to make a deal if the accused wants to plead guilty to spare his life. Well—it’s his gamble! Considering he’s a narcissist, he’ll likely want a jury trial because he’s betting on beating the charges all the way to an acquittal! But darn it, if he pleads; we’ll miss out on his trial.
I think the defense knew this was coming, hence recent filings. I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, but if you're going to have it in your state, and if a jury does find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I'm struggling to think of what kind of crime would warrant the death penalty if this one doesn't.
When the killer in the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas’ shootings didn’t get the death penalty in his trial I started to wonder what kind of crime would be elegible for that penalty if this one wasn’t. Sorry about the bad English and for mixing up cases
Yes! my whole opinion on the death penalty changed after his trial. If he, someone who extensively premeditated to murder SEVENTEEN people doesn’t get the death penalty then who should ???
Florida changed its laws after his trial. Florida law previously stated that the jury needed to be unanimous for the DP but because either 1 or 2 (can’t remember) voted no, despite the fact the majority said yes, he got life.
i didn’t know they changed the law after this. what is the law now?
The Parkland trial was thrown by two jurors that lied their way onto the jury to play God and save Cruz. Their names are Denise Cunha and Melody Vanoy (public record) Thanks to those two, the Parkland victims will never get justice
Only because of his age. Juveniles aren’t eligible for the death penalty
That is not why Nicholas Cruz was not given the death penalty. He was tried as an adult. He pleaded guilty and the jury went right to the penalty phase. The jurors voted 9-3 in favor of DP but it has to be unanimous for a death sentence. Jurors voting no cited mitigating factors, such as Cruz's mental illness and alleged fetal alcohol syndrome.
>He was tried as an adult. Yeah. Because he was an adult.
Correct, he was 19 at time of the shooting, 24 at trial. I should have worded it differently.
God you're ignorant The shooter wasn't even a minor Why do people on reddit always insist on chiming in on things they've never taken 2 seconds to educate themselves about
Ok he was 19. My fault I assumed he was under 18
I was on a jury for a triple murder trial in Eastern Washington, not far from where these murders occurred. It was also a heinous crime where the defendant was estranged from his wife and murdered his mother in law, father in law and brother in law before setting the place on fire. Two days before the end of the trial one juror never came back (he was excused). The rumor was he left with some excuse as top why he couldn't serve any longer, but the truth was he was afraid we would have to decide whether the defendant should be put to death if he was found guilty. Thankfully, even though Washington does have the death penalty, there is a memorandum on executions so we never had to go down that path. I actually knew Ethan Chapin and even so, I would rather this asshole spend 23.5 hours a day in solitary confinement because killing him would not make him suffer. I don't fault any of the families involved if they feel differently.
Actually, Washington no longer has the death penalty. That’s now the law. No longer just a moratorium.
You are correct. That just happened at the end of April.
Exactly my thoughts
Curious as to why you are against (I dont have an educated opinion at this point so no argument here). Also don't many of those receiving DP just appeal it 5000 times and draw it out?
Oh, I don't know, it's so complex. To start, there's little conclusive evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent to horrendous crimes. Then, there are the ethical and moral implications. Is killing someone justified because they killed someone else? What if they acted out of a mental handicap such as ultra-low IQ? What if their childhood warped them into their behavior? Plus, black men are convicted at disproportionally greater rates than white men - and why is that? What if the jury simply gets it wrong? This may sound crass, but my primary objection is around cost. The cost of a death penalty is just way more expensive than sentencing someone to life in prison. The average death row inmate spends 19 years in appeals; there are a few who have been on death row for 30+ years. Death penalty trials can cost 3x as much as a regular life-in-prison charge. The state of California spends $85,000 per year on each of its 748 death row inmates; by contrast, a standard inmate cost around $43K per year. One study found each death row inmate generated an average of $368,000 in legal fees passed on to taxpayers due to a seemingly endless appeals loop and some of those legal options are available to those only on death row. Finally, there's a weird "celebrity" to death row inmates, and I get it, there's a lot of macabre culture out there but it just hits a major "ick" factor for me, personally. Sources: Ballotpedia, AP, ProPublica
Thank you, that was very insightful and thorough, and it seems I asked the right person.
This is exactly why I am opposed. That being said, I can't think of a more deserving recipient of the death penalty.
I would have to add mistaken convictions. It’s not worth executing someone that is actually innocent. Which we all know has happened.
This.
> The state of California spends $85,000 per year on each of its 748 death row inmates; by contrast, a standard inmate cost around $43K per year. This is crazy since California has a moratorium on executions since 2019.
A piece?!?! I don’t get it, how?? Why?? They gettin chicken and waffles in there!?
[How cost per inmate is estimated](https://www.vera.org/publications/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends/price-of-prisons-2015-state-spending-trends-prison-spending)
Court costs.
Maybe higher guard-to-prisoner ratio/surveillance reqs driving up the cost?
That and death row inmates tend to get more amenities than general population.
Not only is it morally questionable to kill someone (and usually because they killed someone else which we have all agreed is wrong, so it should be wrong here too), but for me the death penalty punishes more than the accused. The family of that person will also have to suffer a loss that is not necessary. They did not commit a crime but will suffer anyway. If it is later found the person was wrongfully convicted and executed, everyone involved in the trial will then have to live with that. No one should be killing anyone and that includes the state.
If this dude murdered those poor kids in cold blood, which I believe he did, he deserves to die, no questions asked
From what i heard prison can go into abusive territory. If he's guilty, i don't think he should be put to death. He deserves to rot in a cell and i doubt he'll be treated kindly for this level of crime
Just wanted to say, respectfully, that having a child/sibling/other loved one found guilty and sentenced to life in prison is already a tremendous loss. I think it's reasonable that many people in this situation would actually prefer the death penalty, so they could gain closure and begin healing. Another point, countering your comment on potential wrongful convictions, is that there's a fairly high rate of crimes committed *in prison* by life sentence inmates. I don't have stats handy, but have definitely come across this info before.
Thanks. Respectfully, I have a brother in prison and I would absolutely not want him to die rather than be in prison. People don’t know what they are talking about until they live it.
I'll be jumped on for this one, but I think life without parole would be much worse. He is a young man and being locked up in a tiny cell in a small world called prison will be torture. He will never go on a trip, eat what they give him, have no control over his day to day life, and realize that his crime was stupid, and he will be there until he dies because of his own stupidity.
I have always felt life in prison was worse punishment compared to the death penalty, for the same reasons you listed. You definitely should not be jumped on for your reasoning.
He will have his tablet, he will have contact his family, his groupies , but those kids he slaughtered will never have anything again
In my opinion, I am also sure as someone who ‘allegedly’ killed what many consider ‘children’, he would be more likely to have a harder time inside than most. Many have college kids on the outside and probably would take it personally..
Unfortunately, he could serve in a unit full of guys exactly like him. He has the potential to be even celebrated, in a way.
True I guess I didn’t think about the other side of the coin
I hear you on this. My biggest concern though, is that he will get out sooner, on good behavior. I don’t have much faith in the justice system. I
It’s Idaho. If convicted, he’ll never get out.
The penalty is death or life without the possibility for parole. He would not be released for good behavior.
My guess is they did that because defendants will often plea in order to take that off the table. We'll see.
Has he been offered a plea?
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You don’t get a plea deal for a quadruple homicide unless you’re protecting someone else.
"*The State gives this notice based on the fact that it has not identified or been provided with any mitigating circumstances sufficient to prohibit the triers of fact from considering all penalties authorized by the Idaho legislature including the possibility of capital sentence. Consequently, considering all evidence currently known to the State, the State is compelled to file this notice of intent to seek the death penalty.*"
Deadman walking.
Seattle Times: [Prosecutors seek the death penalty against man accused of slaying of 4 University of Idaho students](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/prosecutors-seek-the-death-penalty-against-man-accused-of-slaying-of-4-university-of-idaho-students/)
This means the State has a solid case or else they wouldn't seek the Death penalty in fear of the jurors not wanting to put someone to death without solid evidence.
This prosecutor is solid, down to earth, and very good at what he does. The moment I saw this filed I knew they have VERY strong evidence that we probably couldn't even begin to imagine. I am now entirely confident in their case.
I've been wondering if maybe there were cameras in the house. It would make sense with 5 girls living there alone. They could have him on camera committing some or all of the murders and they've somehow managed to keep it a secret. That would be the ultimate evidence and make it a slam dunk case.
I'd never even considered that! Isn't Kaylee's dad in the tech field too? It would have been extremely easy to keep that secret, even without the gag order, that's something the defense wouldn't want known either! I've always wondered about one of their cell phones recording. The info about what time Xana was on tiktok was extremely specific. I don't know enough about the app to know if it just saves all interactions down to the second or if she'd possibly hit record or something. It was a way out there and very uneducated thought. You're thinking in the right way though no matter what! It is very probable that there is bombshell evidence, we have no way of knowing. In all reality and to be fair, both sides may have some mindblowing info for all we know. We have such a tiny glimpse at some initial evidence, that may not even be relevant still.
It definitely means the State is confident in its evidence against BK.
This! A lot of people overlook how important this piece is, especially in light of the news that no DNA evidence was found on his person or vehicle.
Remember though, in Idaho in order for the defendant to get life in prison without the possibility of parole, the death penalty must be sought. The jurors can then choose life without parole instead of death. Otherwise, the convicted is eligible after serving 10 years. IIRC, the judge can “stack” the 10 years for each murder charge, or in other words, have them served consecutively, not concurrently. Even if the convicted is eligible after 10 years for parole doesn’t necessarily mean it will be granted. To see how this works in real time, watch the sentencing of Lori Vallow in Idaho on July 31st. Her attorneys successfully got the death penalty taken off of the table (with the help of the prosecutors & some discovery violations) and she was convicted of 2 murder charges, & 3 conspiracy to commit murder charges (in addition to a couple of less serious crimes.) In Idaho under the law, conspiracy to commit murder is treated the same as actually committing the murder. So, it will be interesting to see how the judge decides to sentence her. Here is a link to the Idaho statute that explains it much better than I have. [Idaho Statute 18-4004](https://legislature.idaho.gov/statutesrules/idstat/title18/t18ch40/sect18-4004/)
Is it going to be by firing squad?
They could. It's an alternative to lethal injection. The [*Idaho Capital Sun* reported](https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/03/25/idaho-governor-signs-bill-to-allow-firing-squad-as-an-alternative-form-of-execution/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Death%20Penalty,carried%20out%20by%20firing%20squad.) that the state hasn't been able to carry out the scheduled execution of inmate Gerald Pizzuto Jr. because it was unable to obtain the drug pentobarbital. [Idaho becomes the latest state to permit execution by firing squad : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2023/03/26/1166139433/idaho-is-the-latest-state-to-permit-execution-by-firing-squad)
it could be
AFAIK that’s a last resort method in the event they can’t get lethal injection drugs.
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They're all depraved to me!
Man that's hectic. I couldn't even begin to wonder what that would be like for everyone involved. From witnesses to the firing squad itself. Would it be weird to say I hope the defence can argue against it well enough to save the poor folks who have to shoot him?
I wonder if they could have like a remote operated firing squad. I realize that someone would still have to "push the button" so to speak, but perhaps not having actual people point, aim, and pull the trigger could help shield a bunch of people from the burden of killing someone? I have no idea if this would be legally/ethically/constitutionally allowed, but I know that the inmates/attorneys in this firing squad legislation actually argued *in favor of* firing squad, as they felt it was less painful and more humane.
In death by firing squad, they give say 10 men guns, and load blanks in either 8 or 9, if I am remembering correctly, and they all shoot at the same time. They never find out if their gun had the live ammo or a blank. It’s humane to the firing squad.
does this mean the trial date will likely get pushed back?
I was a secondary victim/witness in a low profile attempted murder case and even that took a year and a half before a resolution. We were a week away from trial when the defendant gave in and decided to plea guilty. We had court dates every few months during that time where pretty much nothing happened except scheduling more dates. I never realized before how long the legal system can take when it comes to this kind of stuff. I can only assume that it will take even longer with a case to this magnitude.
Imo, a year and a half for resolution is actually relatively quick. My best friend and her little sister were victims of a violent kidnapping/attempted murder (additionally, the guy was caught on the recorded jail phones trying to solicit someone to murder them so that they couldn't testify) and the case was dragged out for 5 years while the defendant played games. Ultimately, he took a plea that was basically time served and ran concurrent with the time he was already serving for violating his parole on his previous felonies. Essentially, he received "credit" for his prior felonies, which were applied towards this case, and he served no additional time at all. Sorry to get off topic, but yes, the legal system can be incredibly slow.
I’m so sorry for your loss.
I personally believe the trial will not be held in October.
Exactly, the next filing will probably be a motion to delay from the defense.
I feel as though it’s more than likely going to be delayed. They will probably want the trial to be in another county of Idaho, which is going to delay the trial. PS: your username is amazing…love Jensen Ackles
Almost certainly. Look at how long other high profile cases have taken to see trial, including Jodi Arias and Lori Vallow.
I think instead of the death penalty they should lock him in 24 hour solitary confinement...He could use the floor for the bathroom and they could toss in a moldy piece of bread now and again...no contact with people...no lights...no tablets or books...the cement floor for a bed... just left all alone with his sick thoughts...That is torture and that is what he deserves
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on what one believes, the 8th Amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment.
True...I just wish he would be an exception
I wish they could send him to ADX Florence and we forget about him.
Good.
Only if lethal injection fails to be provided, that’s what I’ve heard.
Thank goodness! I hope he suffers …he deserves to die a slow painful death but some of you think that’s cruel ..really? I hope he suffers
An eye for an eye .. I think a lot of people you know you’re interested in the story, but they weren’t your family members so imagine if it was your mother or your father your daughter, your son you would want him to rot in hell, and I believe in an eye for an eye, and I hope they give him the most painful death possible because he freaking deserves it if he’s guilty and we all know he is
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I haven't seen anything that would convince me he's guilty. You sound like a very angry person yourself, scary angry. Some questionable touch dna allegedly on a knife sheath is not enough to make me send anyone to their death.
“An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”technically means that the punishment is no more than the crime. Therefore, it would mean that the mode of death would be stabbing, I guess in the probably in the most common “kill spot” of the victims. This is a gross answer, sorry, but, that adage is actually supposed to deter escalation of violence but can clearly go grotesquely in the other direction!
If guilty I hope he gets the death penalty.
wow!
Then they better plan to get real f$%#in' clear about how they obtained and collated their IGG evidence.
That is irrelevant to the death penalty. If the State doesn't have to disclose, the jury will never hear about it at trial.
You are correct, but to be a little more precise while certain aspects of the genetic genealogy search will be disclosed to the defense there is a strong possibility that the judge will not allow it to be presented to the jury. And even if it is presented to the jury during the guilt phase, assuming they come back with guilty it will become totally irrelevant to the sentencing phase.
The state won't be using that at trial.They're gonna use the direct evidence of Kohberger's mouth swab.
That's exactly my point. 🤷 But thanks.
Thank you for adding to my statement.
The state has already indicated that that information does not need to be disclosed to the defense, but thr defense doesn't care what the law says.
That's exactly my point. 🤷 But thanks.
They better have a lot more evidence then!!
The State wouldn't be seeking the death penalty if it wasn't confident in its evidence.
From what I’ve heard about the most recent filing they did not find anything in his car apartment office or house in PA I’m not following super closely so I could be missing something.
And that doesn't change the evidence they do have. It has never been alleged the victims had been in his car, home, or office.
I would think he would transfer evidence to his car obviously. I’m quite aware of the evidence they do have. Touch dna could mean that he shook someone’s hand who later went knife shopping. I’m wondering if that is enough dna evidence
>I would think he would transfer evidence to his car obviously. Why would you think that? What evidence would be on him to transfer? >Touch dna could mean that he shook someone’s hand who later went knife shopping. That's a leap you can't make with a reasonable argument.
Prosecution seems to be trying to fail now. They must have amazing secret evidence because as it stands, the death penalty only makes it harder on the jury to say there is no reasonable doubt. Let the wannabe cop sit in prison for life, the inmates will torture him and the case is not big enough profile for bk to be idolized or for the death penalty to be an examplory justice
I believe they can’t file for the DP later once their deadline is up. They are probably still building a case, it’s really only been 6 months since he’s been arrested. I for one think the recent motion by the defense is the only one to show any exculpatory evidence so far
Mm-hum—IMHO, what that spells out so early in the game, is the prosecution’s confident on the weight of the evidence & might be willing to make a deal if the accused wants to plead guilty to spare his life. Well—it’s his gamble! Considering he’s a narcissist, he’ll likely want a jury trial because he’s betting on beating the charges all the way to an acquittal! But darn it, if he pleads; we’ll miss out on his trial.
If he's found guilty I'd like to see him live long enough to say why he did it.
I would be surprised by that, but I'd like to know why too.