thanks for such a detailed response, I appreciate facts like this but hardly ever look them up myself, I enjoy reading someone else's work though. have a great day
That comment should go viral. One of my co-workers who was a c student but making twice as much money as me was always amused by people who bragged about being A students. He said to me ‘ahh so your the kind we used to copy off when we didn’t get our homework done.’
With the way politics are going in the US I expect the downward trends we have been seeing with the death penalty to reverse. Maybe I need to take the tinfoil hat off but I am not hopeful
It’s frightening that so many Americans have embraced conspiracy theories over common sense, science & critical thinking. I don’t know why I assumed we were immune from this. Authoritarians are replacing democracies all over the world. That one of our two major parties is celebrating a dictator (dirtbag) like Viktor Orbán is mind boggling. Truly.
It’s deeply disturbing to watch the country become increasingly reactionary & conservative. Book burning? What the heck? The more religious the US becomes, the less respect science, intellectuals, sanity & common sense. Religious leaders encourage fear, rage & the victim mentality. Democracy will be the first victim. People think they are safe from authoritarianism, but history shows us that the opposite is true.
You guys in your 20’s & 30’s might live to see the trend reverse, but I will be long gone before we return to a society that respects the human rights of everyone. Honestly, I never saw this coming.
This case has me so conflicted: I’ve always been against the DP but I am so angered/saddened/disgusted over this case that I feel he absolutely deserves to have his life taken away since he deprived four kids of theirs. But I just don’t like the idea of a government being able to legally kill its own citizens. It’s like the only people who have a right to enact such a punishment upon him are the families… and obviously that can’t be a societal standard because that would be fucking madness. Bk sucks.
You can believe that there are people that deserve to die w/o supporting capital punishment.
If someone wants to behead their rapist, I won’t stand in their way lmao. But miscarriage of justice is common so I don’t mind too much if these defective scumbags just sit around and rot on perma deathrow if it means not sentencing innocent people to death.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m not cheering Capital Punishment but depending on evidence I think there could be some irrefutable proof. In which case I see no chance of rehabilitation. That and his terrorizing in the night make me feel a little less weird about the capital punishment aspect, which still leaning towards life without possibility of parole.
But I’d lose zero sleep and not campaign against the death penalty on his behalf.
>depending on evidence I think there could be some irrefutable proof
The US has executed multiple innocent people that literally confessed to crimes they didn't commit.
If guilty beyond reasonable doubt….. he gets what is coming to him. He chose to kill in a state with the death penalty. He crossed state lines where there was no death penalty. He took it upon himself to act as judge, jury and executioner on four people. The number of lives impacted, including his own family is countless. Psychopathy cannot be cured. He’d do it again. It is a thin line between rabid animal/human waste. No room for sympathy/empathy.
See I just think for the death penalty it really needs to be without **any** doubt. like you were caught in the act or something. *if* were gonna have it at all. too many people have been exonerated on death row or after they were killed.
& this is not in defense of kohberger i don’t doubt he killed them. it’s just that if we have a law it needs to apply to everyone & if we kill
kohberger we kill others too
In general I’m against capital punishment. The government shouldn’t be in the business of legally killing people. However, certain cases, like Kohberger’s, are so horrific, so callous and cruel, that the perpetrator has forfeited the right to live among us. That said, I will shed no tears when he is dispatched by lethal injection or firing squad.
I come from a country that hasn’t executed anybody since the 60s so the idea is so crazy to me. Let him rot in prison forever, but I won’t be mad if he gets a death sentence. He deserves it.
The problem with that opinion is who determines what is cold and callous enough to deserve death? Who devises the list of heinous callous and cold acts deserving of death? Each state seems to have a different opinion on the matter.
Oh I see…the point I was trying to make is that everyone’s opinion is different. It’s generally left to the courts to decide guilt but results vary from county to county.
Good point. I don’t have an easy answer to that. It’s questions like these along with the very real possibility that an innocent person may end up being convicted and condemned to death that has put the brakes on capital punishments being handed down in recent years.
If I’m one of the “you” people. This particular ‘you’ would be glad to know there’s one less oxygen thief in the world, & likely there’s an unknown number of women/girls who will be safer than they were before this POS existed. Genuinely…
I truly understand that most ppl will want to know more about a crime during the trial before making a call on guilt or innocence. That makes sense to me.
These ppl saying he is innocent based on the little info we have right now? Bonkers. It all points to guilt. I can't help but think these BK stans are just conspiracy theorists with terrible logic. I wonder if the trial will sway them in the other direction? Somehow, I doubt it since they really can't seem to make a cohesive argument WHY they're so convinced he's innocent.
All I know is that if those were my kids who’d been murdered, I’d only ask for 5 minutes alone with that person, and there’d be no need for any lethal injection, firing squad, electric chair or whatever method of execution is chosen. Actually give me an hour alone with the murderer. I’d like to take my time with him.
The reason I have been losing sleep over this case is because of its apparent senselessness. Cruelty like that is haunting. I grew up in a single parent household and my mother was abusive. I’ve gone no contact, and hope never to hear from her again and despite years of therapy I am still haunted by the senseless nature of her cruelty. She still does not think she did anything wrong. 💀💀💀🩸
Yeah, I used to rent flats with friends and it was always fun and felt very safe. There’s something about Kohberger’s eyes- they look strange, like fish eyes. I feel badly for his family. They are going to have to change their names to get away from his infamy.
The pictures of those kids smiling and laughing is what really gets me. It’s like those photos capture a certain moment in time- when you’re 20-ish and you love your friends and everything is exciting. I lived a very different life than those kids,but the atmosphere was the same- renting a flat with my friends (everyone was working artists and musicians) the world looked bright. It’s heartbreaking to imagine someone stealing that!
Me too! I’m also in the UK.
I was actually on holiday in Florida when this happened.
I was shocked and saddened to read what happened to the 4 young adults, but since then I have followed this case.
I'm against the death penalty, but a crime like this really tests my beliefs. Whoever did this crime took the lives of 4 young people senselessly and cruelly in the most barbaric way. Evidence known does seem to suggest BK, but I reserve full judgement for the trial. The ripple effects of the pain caused are immeasurable. There are probably only a handful of people I know of that their deaths would be a cause for relief.
I would feel sad that any of this had to happen at all, and feel relief for some of the families and friends if this is the outcome they felt would heal them, and sadness for the family and friends that are against it.
And confusion as someone who committed a crime like this doesn't deserve much, and if there isn't a shred of doubt, I can sympathise with people's support of the death penalty, But I'm not sure what it achieves. Other than saving money being incarcerated and providing some semblance of closure or relief to those in support of it. But with them dies the answers, and any truth still yet to be uncovered, and those affected and not in support, it can compound their pain.
So I really don't know. Confusion, I guess. I think about it a lot.
If he is judged guilty and goes through the strigent process for appeal then I have no issue with it.
He's a Bundy. Even convicted murderers inside draw the line at his kind.
I wouldn’t lose sleep over him being on death row. If it’s one thing Idahoans can get together on it’s that some people just get what they deserve. He chose to come here and dismantle families and ruin lives. He will get what’s coming to him.
I’m in my late 40s and expect this dude will probably outlive me if even if he gets the death penalty. You young folks will have to decide how you feel in 2065.
I am firmly against the death penalty. But I waste no sympathy on people who the evidence shows are guilty. He is guilty. The evidence we have seen is strong and we haven’t seen much. I have no issue with him spending his life in jail and I won’t blink if he is executed. But the death penalty is morally wrong and should be illegal.
Would capital punishment be the worst punishment? Or spending the rest of his life in prison, segregated from the other inmates because he would not be safe around them. 23 hours a day in a concrete box. Forever. I’m not sure in this case. If he is indeed guilty. I lived in Memphis during the West Memphis Three and it taught me not to believe everything law enforcement and the media says.
That was a shocking case - I only learned of it recently. Were you old enough at the time to get a sense of how the community felt? My fave true crime podcasters have researched this and said that even now so many years later it's kind of 50-50.
Yes I was and everyone you talked to wanted to “fry” them. All based on small town podunk law enforcement and media outlets that wanted nothing more than to serve LEO
wow well I guess that answers my other question. that is wild to me. I'm glad they're got out because it was clearly not them but it also sucks that they had to enter an alford please to be released.
It literally takes years to carry out an order of execution. By the time a person is executed, the victim(s), unfortunately have largely been forgotten, and sometimes sympathy has grown for the accused. That’s the problem with capital punishment. This case is certainly different, though.
I’m not at all opposed to the death penalty if there’s irrefutable proof of guilt, if they can offer more evidence than we have seen then it may be appropriate however from what the public has seen I’d say I’m less than convinced.
That said, in this instance if kohberger is sentenced to death row he gets put into segregation where he will be essentially privileged and protected away from a prison population that would treat him rather poorly given the alleged crimes/victims. He also gets far more access to sophisticated appeals counsel and far more access to the courts to appeal, possibly to the SCOTUS.
If he’s given say, 4 life sentences back to back he would be limited in appeals, surrounded either by a population that would make his life hell or put in segregation with a bunch of pervs which would not be so pleasant.
Given his seeming obsession with the justice system it seems likely he would actually enjoy the decades of appeals and legal wrangling that the death penalty would offer him.
But if he’s convicted and executed, I really won’t feel any different than I do watching him be prosecuted.
The glacier pace of moving seen as of now, I won’t be alive to see BK die. They will appeal this. I also think it’s possible he could take a plea for a life sentence.
If he really did it and there is no doubt left, he deserves death. Although I feel like this is too nice for a killer like him. He would deserve to rot in prison for the rest of his life.
Death penalty is the only sure form of punishment. Leslie VanHouten (Manson family murderer) had her sentence overturned to Life Without Parole…yet here she is walking around a free woman after the parole board set her free. She murdered the LaBianca’s on the second night.
Good. Some people don’t deserve to live.
Provided that he is afforded due process with his constitutional rights protected and has a chance to appeal his conviction, he should be executed if found guilty by a jury of his peers.
"You people" ? Lmao why the animosity?
You clearly think he is innocent or something ? Sheesh.
If he did it, he deserves to be punished. I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty in most, if any cases so I wouldn't feel too spectacular about that aspect ? But it would be what it is.
I respect his PD. She is doing the hell of a job, and he is not a paying client like in some other cases I follow (CO, MA). That’s all I can say. About him, I think it is serious mental illness and the case to study prevention.
I’ll probably feel like he should have gone out the same way his victims did. Of course assuming it comes out 100% without a doubt he’s guilty during the trial.
I won’t be surprised if he is convicted and a execution probably wouldn’t even happen for 30-40 years if at all if Idaho doesn’t screw it up like the last one
On the one hand, I'll be disappointed that the US is still executing people.
On the other hand, I'll be pleased to still be alive in 20 or 30 years. I guess I'll point to the news and tell the young people that I remember when that murder happened, and when they arrested him.
Sad. The state shouldn’t be able to kill people. Not looking to debate. I used to be pro-DP but after becoming familiar with the innocence project and seeing numerous convictions overturned, no. I’d rather a guilty person not be executed than an innocent person executed. I also live in the south and am extremely aware of how shoddy police work can fall on racial lines and tensions. I realize that’s not the case here, but it’s all just too much for me to have enough faith in the justice system overall to give them the keys to kill people. I would ask to be excused from a DP case as a juror.
ETA: I have zero problem with him getting life with no parole and am ambivalent about if he serves it in solitary. The person that did this is beyond rehab and should never be part of society again.
I will think that while it’s a ‘biblically’ proportionate way to mete out justice, it’s not one that a civilised society should do. It’s blood thirsty, costly, it doesn’t work as a deterrent, it’s too often politically-motivated and it’s very biased against those who are too poor to get good representation and who may be innocent.
However, he doesn’t deserve the potentially long happy life he took from those kids and the generations that would have followed them, so a comfy life in prison feels unjust. I’d mostly feel sad for the victims’ families who at that point may have sat through decades of process, endless reopening of emotional wounds and may not get the closure they think it will give them.
Tldr: I’m a ‘no’ on death penalty and a ‘yes’ on hard time served forever.
I don't disagree with you, but one point people forget when they list reasons why the death penalty is wrong. This particular point is a big part of the pursuit of justice.
Retribution. He only has one life to give for the four he took. Justice for a crime like this is more important than the semantics of the capital punishment debate.
He owes a debt to his victims, their families, his own family, and the entire university and city of Moscow. He isn't fit for other prisoners to be around either.
I don’t disagree with you either on the point about retribution. But 70% of countries have abolished it for a reason, and the US isn’t in great company on keeping it.
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I’m opposed to death penalty for ethical/humane reasons. Also, the [US Dept of Justice](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/capital-punishment-or-life-imprisonment-some-cost-considerations) argues that the costs for a death penalty trial and execution exceed the trial and housing costs for a life in prison sentence.
He gets special food and television right now. He’s also getting protection from other inmates. Prison for life sucks, but there could definitely be “good days” and I just don’t feel like he deserves any of those. People can adapt to prison life and actually find peace with it. He strikes me as someone who would actually use the resources in prison (education, etc) and stay out of trouble. Probably be a good prisoner so he can feel some sense of superiority. He knows people will be fascinated by this crime and while he lives, it lives on too (the crime, not the victims legacies which will always live on). Studies, interviews, documentaries, books, movies — he would enjoy that fame over his lifetime. I honestly don’t think he would “rot” or suffer the way he made those kids suffer. I don’t think he deserves prison. He has no one outside that he’d be broken hearted if separated from. That’s a big factor in suffering from life in prison. He also finally has attention from women (sick women ofc). He deserves to be in terror and standing before a firing squad is the only thing that will do that. In my opinion.
How is more death the answer? We really need to stop classifying these killers as “evil”, which is a religious concept, not a scientific one. It also gives them a superstar status which they do not deserve. We don’t understand them, so we fear them. We make them the modern equivalent of demons which is pure nonsense.
These guys aren’t “evil” - they have a brain dysfunction. Neuroscience is demonstrating that there is a physical component to their behavior. PET scans & fMRIs are showing us clear evidence that their brains do not function like yours or mine do.
I cringe when grown men - especially police officers & prosecutors - take the easy way out & dismiss them as evil. (They even have the physiological reaction of an animal that’s terrified with the enlarged pupils & the facial grimace.) This is reminiscent of the dark ages when we still attributed epilepsy to demon possession.
Katherine Ramsland speaks of this in her book about BTK (Confessions of a Serial Killer). Check out Dr. Adrain Raine’s books like the Anatomy of Violence; Psychopathy, An Intro to Biological Findings & Their Implications; The Psychopathy of Crime: Criminal Behavior as a Clinical Disorder.
Why does it matter?
First, as long as we simply condemn them & execute them we will never get to the point where we diagnose the problem & fix them before they begin killing. Or even screen for psychopathy and intervene early.
Next, if this is a neurological disorder, as the science suggests, it makes no sense to release them after they commit a sex crime. Then we cross our fingers hoping they won’t offend again. Serial predators are too dangerous to be released.
If sex crimes are the result of an irresistible impulse, and the science suggests that they are, we have no business executing them.
If you have a theory, opinion or want to speculate, you need to clearly state that it is just a theory, opinion or personal speculation. If it is not theory, opinion or speculation, be prepared to provide a source.
I don't believe in the death penalty because of false convictions, the financial cost is much higher than life, and the cruelty of some of the methods.
If we are going to have it, it should be by a shooting squad. Instant and painless.
I don’t think he would get the death penalty and if he did it wouldn’t happen for over 20 years.
I wouldn’t feel anything. I am not the victims family members so why would I feel anything? I imagine the families would feel justice was served.
It’s likely I will be alive to feel anything as this is 20-30 years out.
However, I do not believe the state should be in the business of executing citizens. North’s taxpayers asked to finance that process nor the multiple appeals that go with that sentence. So if it were to happen I would feel it was an expensive waste of resources that gives the government too much power and deters no one but kohberger.
If he did it, and can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, I don’t have any quarrels with it, but as it stands, I’d like to see more than the current evidence they have. Everyone says the knife sheath is the smoking gun, but everything the court says, says otherwise.
There is no way to answer that question until we know if the trial was fair. Some prosecutors do not operate on evidence but on debate skills, logic and tricky words and arguments to win their conviction. They play unfair and apparently that is not against the law.
Nothing because we don’t know any of these people and are just outsiders obsessed for weird and cringey reasons. What will happen? We’ll all move on to the next big case and obsess over that and continue the cycle.
It doesn't matter, but this is a discussion board.
Dicuss or do not.
Asking how we feel about a certain outcome of the trial is way less bizarre than asking why it matters.
I would feel the same way when every month I see on the news that in Alabama or Texas they executed a black man. That 12 people can - reasonably and impartially, you suppose - judge you and send you to a cell depriving you of your freedom, but no citizen (and especially no majority of citizens) can have the right to deprive you totally of the opportunity to live like you did with your victims.
"Every month"?
The last three executions in Alabama were white men. The last execution of a black man was in 2022.
And in Texas, the last execution of a black man was 2023.
Why are you so sure that he’s innocent although there’s a gag order and we dont really know all of the evidence that the prosecution have? I am really curious, I mean I am neutral, and just waiting for the trial, just wanted to ask what makes you that sure.
20 years from now I’ll come back and tell you how I feel…
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thanks for such a detailed response, I appreciate facts like this but hardly ever look them up myself, I enjoy reading someone else's work though. have a great day
That comment should go viral. One of my co-workers who was a c student but making twice as much money as me was always amused by people who bragged about being A students. He said to me ‘ahh so your the kind we used to copy off when we didn’t get our homework done.’
With the way politics are going in the US I expect the downward trends we have been seeing with the death penalty to reverse. Maybe I need to take the tinfoil hat off but I am not hopeful
I was thinking about a similar social issue the other day and how we are now retrogressing and it’s frightening.
I’m a current student at Columbia…. sooo that has been the forefront of my brain lol
Ohh… I bet! Stay safe 🤍💙
It’s frightening that so many Americans have embraced conspiracy theories over common sense, science & critical thinking. I don’t know why I assumed we were immune from this. Authoritarians are replacing democracies all over the world. That one of our two major parties is celebrating a dictator (dirtbag) like Viktor Orbán is mind boggling. Truly.
Sadly agreed
It’s deeply disturbing to watch the country become increasingly reactionary & conservative. Book burning? What the heck? The more religious the US becomes, the less respect science, intellectuals, sanity & common sense. Religious leaders encourage fear, rage & the victim mentality. Democracy will be the first victim. People think they are safe from authoritarianism, but history shows us that the opposite is true. You guys in your 20’s & 30’s might live to see the trend reverse, but I will be long gone before we return to a society that respects the human rights of everyone. Honestly, I never saw this coming.
!remindme 20 years
I did this last week for ten years lol, guess I undershot!
20 years from now I will be gone.
I was just going to say this.
I’m not sure he will get death penalty, I feel life without the possibility of parole, unfortunately. Just the energy, I feel now.
This case has me so conflicted: I’ve always been against the DP but I am so angered/saddened/disgusted over this case that I feel he absolutely deserves to have his life taken away since he deprived four kids of theirs. But I just don’t like the idea of a government being able to legally kill its own citizens. It’s like the only people who have a right to enact such a punishment upon him are the families… and obviously that can’t be a societal standard because that would be fucking madness. Bk sucks.
You can believe that there are people that deserve to die w/o supporting capital punishment. If someone wants to behead their rapist, I won’t stand in their way lmao. But miscarriage of justice is common so I don’t mind too much if these defective scumbags just sit around and rot on perma deathrow if it means not sentencing innocent people to death.
I’m not a fan of capital punishment but I wouldn’t lose any sleep over him being put to death.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m not cheering Capital Punishment but depending on evidence I think there could be some irrefutable proof. In which case I see no chance of rehabilitation. That and his terrorizing in the night make me feel a little less weird about the capital punishment aspect, which still leaning towards life without possibility of parole. But I’d lose zero sleep and not campaign against the death penalty on his behalf.
>depending on evidence I think there could be some irrefutable proof The US has executed multiple innocent people that literally confessed to crimes they didn't commit.
Yeah. But unless he framed himself with the real killer’s help, I don’t think this is one of those cases lol
I agree but I also think PERSONALLY that the state should never make a permanent choice with someones life. I agree he's 100% guilty to be clear.
My feelings exactly.
This.
If guilty beyond reasonable doubt….. he gets what is coming to him. He chose to kill in a state with the death penalty. He crossed state lines where there was no death penalty. He took it upon himself to act as judge, jury and executioner on four people. The number of lives impacted, including his own family is countless. Psychopathy cannot be cured. He’d do it again. It is a thin line between rabid animal/human waste. No room for sympathy/empathy.
See I just think for the death penalty it really needs to be without **any** doubt. like you were caught in the act or something. *if* were gonna have it at all. too many people have been exonerated on death row or after they were killed. & this is not in defense of kohberger i don’t doubt he killed them. it’s just that if we have a law it needs to apply to everyone & if we kill kohberger we kill others too
Agree.
Well said
Would absolutely do it again if he ever went free. Mf can’t help himself. Not that I pity him in the least.
If he’s found guilty of these heinous crimes, he deserves the death penalty.
In general I’m against capital punishment. The government shouldn’t be in the business of legally killing people. However, certain cases, like Kohberger’s, are so horrific, so callous and cruel, that the perpetrator has forfeited the right to live among us. That said, I will shed no tears when he is dispatched by lethal injection or firing squad.
It's a contradictory position that I share.
I come from a country that hasn’t executed anybody since the 60s so the idea is so crazy to me. Let him rot in prison forever, but I won’t be mad if he gets a death sentence. He deserves it.
The problem with that opinion is who determines what is cold and callous enough to deserve death? Who devises the list of heinous callous and cold acts deserving of death? Each state seems to have a different opinion on the matter.
Forensic psychologists
It was a rhetorical question
Just thought it could kind of be the best option/answer….
Oh I see…the point I was trying to make is that everyone’s opinion is different. It’s generally left to the courts to decide guilt but results vary from county to county.
Good point. I don’t have an easy answer to that. It’s questions like these along with the very real possibility that an innocent person may end up being convicted and condemned to death that has put the brakes on capital punishments being handed down in recent years.
It’s hard to draw the line: this crime deserves death but this one doesn’t…
Exactly
I just said almost the exact same thing!
If I’m one of the “you” people. This particular ‘you’ would be glad to know there’s one less oxygen thief in the world, & likely there’s an unknown number of women/girls who will be safer than they were before this POS existed. Genuinely…
I’d feel good.
I truly understand that most ppl will want to know more about a crime during the trial before making a call on guilt or innocence. That makes sense to me. These ppl saying he is innocent based on the little info we have right now? Bonkers. It all points to guilt. I can't help but think these BK stans are just conspiracy theorists with terrible logic. I wonder if the trial will sway them in the other direction? Somehow, I doubt it since they really can't seem to make a cohesive argument WHY they're so convinced he's innocent.
All I know is that if those were my kids who’d been murdered, I’d only ask for 5 minutes alone with that person, and there’d be no need for any lethal injection, firing squad, electric chair or whatever method of execution is chosen. Actually give me an hour alone with the murderer. I’d like to take my time with him.
The reason I have been losing sleep over this case is because of its apparent senselessness. Cruelty like that is haunting. I grew up in a single parent household and my mother was abusive. I’ve gone no contact, and hope never to hear from her again and despite years of therapy I am still haunted by the senseless nature of her cruelty. She still does not think she did anything wrong. 💀💀💀🩸
The best thing you can do with a narcissistic mother is walk away. Wishing you continued strength ❤️
Thank you!!!! ♥️❤️♥️❤️❤️🩹
She pulled me out of school in the 7th grade. She’s an ivy league professor
Take each day as it comes and know that you deserve better than being anyone’s scapegoat 🌹
What got you interested in case?
It got a lot of publicity here in the UK. Also, the fact there should be safety in numbers. But sadly in this case there wasn’t.
Yeah, I used to rent flats with friends and it was always fun and felt very safe. There’s something about Kohberger’s eyes- they look strange, like fish eyes. I feel badly for his family. They are going to have to change their names to get away from his infamy.
Yes, he’s put them in an awful position too. And the families of the 4 victims for whom things will never be the same again.
The pictures of those kids smiling and laughing is what really gets me. It’s like those photos capture a certain moment in time- when you’re 20-ish and you love your friends and everything is exciting. I lived a very different life than those kids,but the atmosphere was the same- renting a flat with my friends (everyone was working artists and musicians) the world looked bright. It’s heartbreaking to imagine someone stealing that!
Yes they looked like such a happy carefree group of pals
I didn’t realize that the case got publicity all the way in the uk!!!
I've seen people posting from Australia, France, South Africa - this case is truly global.
What’s wild is here in NC I have no one to discuss this case with! So, y’all are my tribe now lol
South America _ Uruguay, add that one.
Also in the UK
It was everywhere in the uk, all over my social media and everything, especially when they announced an arrest. Mental how highly publicised it was.
Me too! I’m also in the UK. I was actually on holiday in Florida when this happened. I was shocked and saddened to read what happened to the 4 young adults, but since then I have followed this case.
You are a testament to healing. May your journey bring you all that you need and a little something extra on the side.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart
I’m so sorry to hear that you have been subjected to cruelty from such an early age! X
I'm against the death penalty, but a crime like this really tests my beliefs. Whoever did this crime took the lives of 4 young people senselessly and cruelly in the most barbaric way. Evidence known does seem to suggest BK, but I reserve full judgement for the trial. The ripple effects of the pain caused are immeasurable. There are probably only a handful of people I know of that their deaths would be a cause for relief. I would feel sad that any of this had to happen at all, and feel relief for some of the families and friends if this is the outcome they felt would heal them, and sadness for the family and friends that are against it. And confusion as someone who committed a crime like this doesn't deserve much, and if there isn't a shred of doubt, I can sympathise with people's support of the death penalty, But I'm not sure what it achieves. Other than saving money being incarcerated and providing some semblance of closure or relief to those in support of it. But with them dies the answers, and any truth still yet to be uncovered, and those affected and not in support, it can compound their pain. So I really don't know. Confusion, I guess. I think about it a lot.
If he is judged guilty and goes through the strigent process for appeal then I have no issue with it. He's a Bundy. Even convicted murderers inside draw the line at his kind.
Justice Served. Special place in hell for those who murder innocents, especially unprovoked.
That Justice was served
I’ll feel- good riddance
He got off easy
I wouldn’t lose sleep over him being on death row. If it’s one thing Idahoans can get together on it’s that some people just get what they deserve. He chose to come here and dismantle families and ruin lives. He will get what’s coming to him.
I’m in my late 40s and expect this dude will probably outlive me if even if he gets the death penalty. You young folks will have to decide how you feel in 2065.
‘You people’ will most likely consider justice served…? This is the worst question on here and that’s saying a lot.
I genuinely feel like execution is an easy way out for these scum bags. They should be made to live and suffer every day of their miserable lives
I am firmly against the death penalty. But I waste no sympathy on people who the evidence shows are guilty. He is guilty. The evidence we have seen is strong and we haven’t seen much. I have no issue with him spending his life in jail and I won’t blink if he is executed. But the death penalty is morally wrong and should be illegal.
I'd watch.
Would capital punishment be the worst punishment? Or spending the rest of his life in prison, segregated from the other inmates because he would not be safe around them. 23 hours a day in a concrete box. Forever. I’m not sure in this case. If he is indeed guilty. I lived in Memphis during the West Memphis Three and it taught me not to believe everything law enforcement and the media says.
That was a shocking case - I only learned of it recently. Were you old enough at the time to get a sense of how the community felt? My fave true crime podcasters have researched this and said that even now so many years later it's kind of 50-50.
Yes I was and everyone you talked to wanted to “fry” them. All based on small town podunk law enforcement and media outlets that wanted nothing more than to serve LEO
wow well I guess that answers my other question. that is wild to me. I'm glad they're got out because it was clearly not them but it also sucks that they had to enter an alford please to be released.
The Alford did suck. Arkansas did that to make sure they couldn’t sue the state
that makes me so mad
What’s 50-50?
oh sorry - those who believe the three are guilty vs innocent
Justice was served
Remindme! 30years
Burn in hell.
It literally takes years to carry out an order of execution. By the time a person is executed, the victim(s), unfortunately have largely been forgotten, and sometimes sympathy has grown for the accused. That’s the problem with capital punishment. This case is certainly different, though.
Sheer joy.
It’ll be a good 20-25 years before that is even a likelihood. It’s way too in the future to even contemplate at this point.
I’m not at all opposed to the death penalty if there’s irrefutable proof of guilt, if they can offer more evidence than we have seen then it may be appropriate however from what the public has seen I’d say I’m less than convinced. That said, in this instance if kohberger is sentenced to death row he gets put into segregation where he will be essentially privileged and protected away from a prison population that would treat him rather poorly given the alleged crimes/victims. He also gets far more access to sophisticated appeals counsel and far more access to the courts to appeal, possibly to the SCOTUS. If he’s given say, 4 life sentences back to back he would be limited in appeals, surrounded either by a population that would make his life hell or put in segregation with a bunch of pervs which would not be so pleasant. Given his seeming obsession with the justice system it seems likely he would actually enjoy the decades of appeals and legal wrangling that the death penalty would offer him. But if he’s convicted and executed, I really won’t feel any different than I do watching him be prosecuted.
The glacier pace of moving seen as of now, I won’t be alive to see BK die. They will appeal this. I also think it’s possible he could take a plea for a life sentence.
If he is convicted by a jury because the evidence proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty, then I would feel that justice had been served.
I’ll be thinking about what kind of wine I’ll have with dinner
If he really did it and there is no doubt left, he deserves death. Although I feel like this is too nice for a killer like him. He would deserve to rot in prison for the rest of his life.
Death penalty is the only sure form of punishment. Leslie VanHouten (Manson family murderer) had her sentence overturned to Life Without Parole…yet here she is walking around a free woman after the parole board set her free. She murdered the LaBianca’s on the second night.
I think that spending the rest of life behind bars is way worse than death. Death would be the easy way out! Poof!
Good. Some people don’t deserve to live. Provided that he is afforded due process with his constitutional rights protected and has a chance to appeal his conviction, he should be executed if found guilty by a jury of his peers.
"You people" ? Lmao why the animosity? You clearly think he is innocent or something ? Sheesh. If he did it, he deserves to be punished. I don't necessarily agree with the death penalty in most, if any cases so I wouldn't feel too spectacular about that aspect ? But it would be what it is.
Absolutely nothing
I don’t care either way
wouldn’t care
I'll be happy.
I will feel that he got some of what he deserved. And I'm not a big fan of capital punishment.
I’d think justice is served and I would feel relieved.
Sad
I respect his PD. She is doing the hell of a job, and he is not a paying client like in some other cases I follow (CO, MA). That’s all I can say. About him, I think it is serious mental illness and the case to study prevention.
I’ll probably feel like he should have gone out the same way his victims did. Of course assuming it comes out 100% without a doubt he’s guilty during the trial.
That justice was served.
y’all still this into this? damn my internet has waned after the initial stuff came out
I won’t be surprised if he is convicted and a execution probably wouldn’t even happen for 30-40 years if at all if Idaho doesn’t screw it up like the last one
If he gets life, I think he should be sterilized. I’m worried one of his crazy fan girls will somehow carry his offspring.
On the one hand, I'll be disappointed that the US is still executing people. On the other hand, I'll be pleased to still be alive in 20 or 30 years. I guess I'll point to the news and tell the young people that I remember when that murder happened, and when they arrested him.
I feel that we as a society should abolish the death penalty. I think rotting in prison is a better punishment.
As long as it takes to execute anyone I’ll probably be dead and won’t feel a thing.
Sad. The state shouldn’t be able to kill people. Not looking to debate. I used to be pro-DP but after becoming familiar with the innocence project and seeing numerous convictions overturned, no. I’d rather a guilty person not be executed than an innocent person executed. I also live in the south and am extremely aware of how shoddy police work can fall on racial lines and tensions. I realize that’s not the case here, but it’s all just too much for me to have enough faith in the justice system overall to give them the keys to kill people. I would ask to be excused from a DP case as a juror. ETA: I have zero problem with him getting life with no parole and am ambivalent about if he serves it in solitary. The person that did this is beyond rehab and should never be part of society again.
I will think that while it’s a ‘biblically’ proportionate way to mete out justice, it’s not one that a civilised society should do. It’s blood thirsty, costly, it doesn’t work as a deterrent, it’s too often politically-motivated and it’s very biased against those who are too poor to get good representation and who may be innocent. However, he doesn’t deserve the potentially long happy life he took from those kids and the generations that would have followed them, so a comfy life in prison feels unjust. I’d mostly feel sad for the victims’ families who at that point may have sat through decades of process, endless reopening of emotional wounds and may not get the closure they think it will give them. Tldr: I’m a ‘no’ on death penalty and a ‘yes’ on hard time served forever.
I don't disagree with you, but one point people forget when they list reasons why the death penalty is wrong. This particular point is a big part of the pursuit of justice. Retribution. He only has one life to give for the four he took. Justice for a crime like this is more important than the semantics of the capital punishment debate. He owes a debt to his victims, their families, his own family, and the entire university and city of Moscow. He isn't fit for other prisoners to be around either.
I don’t disagree with you either on the point about retribution. But 70% of countries have abolished it for a reason, and the US isn’t in great company on keeping it. https://preview.redd.it/jw2asbcb9fyc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f825c33fe9e0b6b22bdb02ca77c4af631ba53af9
I’m opposed to death penalty for ethical/humane reasons. Also, the [US Dept of Justice](https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/capital-punishment-or-life-imprisonment-some-cost-considerations) argues that the costs for a death penalty trial and execution exceed the trial and housing costs for a life in prison sentence.
The costs are that high because the courts have allowed the appeals process to become so ridiculous. We have allowed that and it is not necessary.
He gets special food and television right now. He’s also getting protection from other inmates. Prison for life sucks, but there could definitely be “good days” and I just don’t feel like he deserves any of those. People can adapt to prison life and actually find peace with it. He strikes me as someone who would actually use the resources in prison (education, etc) and stay out of trouble. Probably be a good prisoner so he can feel some sense of superiority. He knows people will be fascinated by this crime and while he lives, it lives on too (the crime, not the victims legacies which will always live on). Studies, interviews, documentaries, books, movies — he would enjoy that fame over his lifetime. I honestly don’t think he would “rot” or suffer the way he made those kids suffer. I don’t think he deserves prison. He has no one outside that he’d be broken hearted if separated from. That’s a big factor in suffering from life in prison. He also finally has attention from women (sick women ofc). He deserves to be in terror and standing before a firing squad is the only thing that will do that. In my opinion.
How is more death the answer? We really need to stop classifying these killers as “evil”, which is a religious concept, not a scientific one. It also gives them a superstar status which they do not deserve. We don’t understand them, so we fear them. We make them the modern equivalent of demons which is pure nonsense. These guys aren’t “evil” - they have a brain dysfunction. Neuroscience is demonstrating that there is a physical component to their behavior. PET scans & fMRIs are showing us clear evidence that their brains do not function like yours or mine do. I cringe when grown men - especially police officers & prosecutors - take the easy way out & dismiss them as evil. (They even have the physiological reaction of an animal that’s terrified with the enlarged pupils & the facial grimace.) This is reminiscent of the dark ages when we still attributed epilepsy to demon possession. Katherine Ramsland speaks of this in her book about BTK (Confessions of a Serial Killer). Check out Dr. Adrain Raine’s books like the Anatomy of Violence; Psychopathy, An Intro to Biological Findings & Their Implications; The Psychopathy of Crime: Criminal Behavior as a Clinical Disorder. Why does it matter? First, as long as we simply condemn them & execute them we will never get to the point where we diagnose the problem & fix them before they begin killing. Or even screen for psychopathy and intervene early. Next, if this is a neurological disorder, as the science suggests, it makes no sense to release them after they commit a sex crime. Then we cross our fingers hoping they won’t offend again. Serial predators are too dangerous to be released. If sex crimes are the result of an irresistible impulse, and the science suggests that they are, we have no business executing them.
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Because it will be so long into the future, I will feel quite old.
I don't believe in the death penalty because of false convictions, the financial cost is much higher than life, and the cruelty of some of the methods. If we are going to have it, it should be by a shooting squad. Instant and painless.
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That's why the question is posed as ***"if"*** he is convicted.
This is a message board. Not a court judgment.
I don’t think he would get the death penalty and if he did it wouldn’t happen for over 20 years. I wouldn’t feel anything. I am not the victims family members so why would I feel anything? I imagine the families would feel justice was served.
It’s likely I will be alive to feel anything as this is 20-30 years out. However, I do not believe the state should be in the business of executing citizens. North’s taxpayers asked to finance that process nor the multiple appeals that go with that sentence. So if it were to happen I would feel it was an expensive waste of resources that gives the government too much power and deters no one but kohberger.
If he did it, and can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, I don’t have any quarrels with it, but as it stands, I’d like to see more than the current evidence they have. Everyone says the knife sheath is the smoking gun, but everything the court says, says otherwise.
There is no way to answer that question until we know if the trial was fair. Some prosecutors do not operate on evidence but on debate skills, logic and tricky words and arguments to win their conviction. They play unfair and apparently that is not against the law.
Nothing because we don’t know any of these people and are just outsiders obsessed for weird and cringey reasons. What will happen? We’ll all move on to the next big case and obsess over that and continue the cycle.
What does it matter how I feel about that outcome?
I’m pretty sure OP is just asking for opinions??? Unless im missing something here????? lol
It doesn't matter, but this is a discussion board. Dicuss or do not. Asking how we feel about a certain outcome of the trial is way less bizarre than asking why it matters.
That America is an uncivilised country
I would feel bad for him and his family. The death penalty is barbaric, a psychopathic killer is still human.
I would feel the same way when every month I see on the news that in Alabama or Texas they executed a black man. That 12 people can - reasonably and impartially, you suppose - judge you and send you to a cell depriving you of your freedom, but no citizen (and especially no majority of citizens) can have the right to deprive you totally of the opportunity to live like you did with your victims.
"Every month"? The last three executions in Alabama were white men. The last execution of a black man was in 2022. And in Texas, the last execution of a black man was 2023.
That the government can literally murder anyone for no reason now.
Edgy
That others got away...
Why are you so sure that he’s innocent although there’s a gag order and we dont really know all of the evidence that the prosecution have? I am really curious, I mean I am neutral, and just waiting for the trial, just wanted to ask what makes you that sure.
The PCA contains the bulk of the evidence
We don't know that.
That more killers/people involved got away with a crime without being punished. My opinion