No lore, just a map of Pennsylvania if they got all of their [land claims.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Penncolony.png)
Source (with corrected spelling): [https://www.deviantart.com/ynot1989/art/Greater-Pennsylvania-971246836](https://www.deviantart.com/ynot1989/art/Greater-Pennsylvania-971246836)
Post-war yes. [Pre-war their ambitions were somehow weirder.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Ctcolony.png/1280px-Ctcolony.png)
Connecticut is done on my patreon and will drop on Friday I think. I also have one for what Ohio could've looked like had the US honored the Greenville treaty, and one for the other Colorado that nearly divided California in two on the eve of the secession crisis.
Yeah that is a potential issue. I guess go with some rule of thumb for priority in your borders. Could be recency of the dispute, political importance, controversiality, etc. Just an idea!
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British colonial land claims in North America were fucking wild. Basically, "alright this colony consists of all the land between this shore and whatever ocean shore is on the other side of this continent in a straight line."
French on the otherhand were like "alright if we sail up a river we own all the land on both sides of it for a couple hundred miles."
Oh for sure. I was visiting near Syracuse last year, a lot of Western New York is much more like Western Pennsylvania and Ohio than anything else. Buffalo just feels like the Midwest.
Itās already kind of horrible in real life if you think about it. The east and west halves of the state are basically two different states culturally speaking.
can confirm, everything from the hudson to binghamton are nothing but angry washed up ex cops and their future cop kids. give āem buffalo too and what do we lose? a couple ugly casinos and Keemstar? good riddance
Hard to tell, but I think Baltimore, some of the DC suburbs, most of Delaware, and Buffalo and Ithaca would probably cancel out all the new rural areas.
The Steelers, Eagles, Ravens and Bills all in the same state. There would be no need to worry about this state as the occupants would burn it down before the playoffs even started.
Aside from annexing Delaware and absorbing huge chunks of Maryland and West Virginia, it would also put Cornell and Johns Hopkins in Pennsylvania. Although mega-Pennsylvania might change the location of those schools, since they were founded in the 2nd half of the 1800s.
Super cursed Lmao
Delmarva looks like a crime against humanity and the whole Buffalo/Niagara area is split super weird. Would it have killed them to claim just up to Lake Ontario so the borders were nice? Good map
Also you have several rivers wrong: the Susquehanna flows through Binghamton, while the Lackawanna is farther south, in Scranton; the Chemung flows through Elmira.
The *real* keystone state. But it can be biggerā¦ maybe an annexation of West Virginia and Connecticut after their debacle over The control of Wilkes-Barre/Scranton region
You seem to be right. I did a rough mock up on redrawthestates and Biden would have won by 800,000 votes.
Biden 5,967,867
Trump 5,171,773
https://kevinhayeswilson.com/redraw/?share=67ab15c75d58e64f8g3Mi67j159k4l44m102n92o99p105q120r64s16t3Mu3M2u6MuM3uM2uM14v83w87x82y115z56A93B17C10D21E33FGMG2MG3M2GM2GM3GM6GM8GM13G3M2G2M5G2M100H53I88J77K36L67M5N46O66P95Q254R29S14T21UM11UM18UM79UM39V2M9WMWMW2MWM5WM3WMWMWM5WM6W2M8W72X23Y
Do Virginia next, they used to have a claim from New York to Mexico, Alabama to Alaska.
https://preview.redd.it/0sw8vggfp6bb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c1112193ba0cf0e83655ab21a4efec25b36a4bf
As a Marylander from Frederick, I would love this. Shall-issue CCW without the insanely expensive mandatory training class? AKs, G3s, and FALs? No more stupid HQL or the State Police-approved list of handguns weāre limited to? Iāll take this version of PA in a heartbeat!
I'm willing to compromise on the other land claims, but the 3 rebellious southern counties going by the name "Delaware" must be reunited to the motherland.
I kind of like it, but instead of butchering that Maryland/Virginia peninsula like they always do, they should just give the whole thing to Pennsylvania
They create a canal from Lake Erie to the Chesapeake Bay after the American Civil War, which makes it have a strong economy and causes people to immigrate a lot more. (Source: Just Trust Me)
This allows them to industrialize rapidly in the 20th century and eventually becomes the California of the East. Pennsylvania becomes very progressive as well and The Great Migration never happens as Black people go to Pennsylvania to not be discriminated against.
The West stays sparsely populated like the Midwest while the East becomes as densely populated as Japan.
Pennsylvania with Buffalo. The Cherry on the Sunday
that said we saw that NY State economic assentation was helped by having access to both the Great Lakes and the Atlantic shipping. But then it had the Erie Canal.
And you also figureā¦
Thereās going to be no Erie Canal, at least like we know in our timeline. Perhaps the Main Line (which started out as a potential canal project before fully going to railroad) becomes the eventual āErie Canalā)
Which in turn could make Philly like what New York is
Which in turn could make Lancaster, Harrisburg, and any other decent sized town much larger cities, Pittsburgh probably becomes even larger, and Erie could be like what Buffalo is in our timeline.
Pennsylvania would definitely have different demographics as time goes along.
Edit: Even Baltimore would be majorly different in this timeline, as a secondary port of entry (via the Chesapeake) to said Pennsylvanian āErie Canalā, and the Susquehanna from the bay up to Harrisburg would also be majorly developed Iād think, and (being a local) Lancaster and Columbia may even be a decently sized conglomeration as a junction between the Susquehanna and āErie Canal/Main Lineā.
Oh, yeah, the state (and its neighbors) would develop very differently if these had been the borders from the start. I was more taking it as "if PA annexed all of this right now".
Yeah but with today's world and how much the democrats(biden and his little gathering, really.) Are fucking up the country that may change, quickly too. In erie i can tell you with confidence that most people are turning republican.
idk how I feel about a bigger Pennsylvania but I do like that Delaware doesn't exist anymore. That means that all the PA folks can stop coming to the Jersey shore.
No lore, just a map of Pennsylvania if they got all of their [land claims.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Penncolony.png) Source (with corrected spelling): [https://www.deviantart.com/ynot1989/art/Greater-Pennsylvania-971246836](https://www.deviantart.com/ynot1989/art/Greater-Pennsylvania-971246836)
Love this! Could you do Massachusetts and/or Connecticut next?
No Connecticut lmao they just want to carve up big Pennsylvania
Post-war yes. [Pre-war their ambitions were somehow weirder.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Ctcolony.png/1280px-Ctcolony.png)
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Itās already just a highway from NYC to Boston, now you want to make a highway from NYC to Scranton? For what, some paper??
For the lifeblood of all New Englanders: spite
So be itā¦ one square to rule them all
Look up Western Connecticut lmao
Connecticut is done on my patreon and will drop on Friday I think. I also have one for what Ohio could've looked like had the US honored the Greenville treaty, and one for the other Colorado that nearly divided California in two on the eve of the secession crisis.
Love it! Maybe you should do a full US map of what the US could have looked like with various important land claims gone the other direction as irl?
How? They all conflict with each other. I don't know how to draw maps in 4th dimensional space.
Yeah that is a potential issue. I guess go with some rule of thumb for priority in your borders. Could be recency of the dispute, political importance, controversiality, etc. Just an idea!
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[i gotchu](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/aaefei/the_most_long_and_rectangular_empire_of/)
British colonial land claims in North America were fucking wild. Basically, "alright this colony consists of all the land between this shore and whatever ocean shore is on the other side of this continent in a straight line." French on the otherhand were like "alright if we sail up a river we own all the land on both sides of it for a couple hundred miles."
Iād love to see one with my home state, Georgia too
GroĆpennsylvania
Leader: Dwight Schrute
His middle name is Kurt... i cant believe i know that
His middle name is Fart, not Kurt.
What did I write?
GroĆylvania
GroĆpennsylvanien
Pennslyvanian Empire
Yeah, it's gross alright. :P
Yeah Allentown is a rightful part of New Jersey
Where theyāre closing all the factories down?
yeah, I did hear that in Bethlehem they're killing time
Filling out forms and/or standing in lines?
We all know our fathers fought in the Second World War
And spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Shore,_Pennsylvania
Bethlehem's pretty lovely overall now, though.
Wdym by that from what I've seen there's been a lot of development
āNew Jerseyā is rightfully Pennsylvanian.
Is that why youse act like terrorists on our roads?
*We* act like terrorists? Jersey drivers turn any road into something out of Mad Max.
This statement caused me physical pain
GroĆilvania
Do not worry, big Pennsylvania cannot hurt you.
Squareslvania
š¦š¦š¦ Delaware is goneš¦š¦š¦
Back to the rightful owners
Delawhere
Be there or be square
Pennsylvania was not thereā¦
Shhhhhhh donāt tell the other states about our plans.
Michigan would like to propose an alliance
Partition Ohio?
Yes
Nah we just want the piece back we lost in the Toledo War. PA can have the rest.
The real crime here is misspelling Ithaca.
It ain't a McKnight without spelling errors.
wait until you see that Pennsylvania is misspelled, too
That state is getting all the respect it deserves.
What a masterpiece
As a Pennsylvanian, I can say I'm glad this didn't happen because this looks terrible.
As a Pennsylvanian, I disagree. Upstate New York is not only useful, but much more similar to Pennsylvanians culturally.
I'm not saying that because of its usefulness, I'm saying that because the borders look bad.
What part of Pennsylvania? Because they arenāt similar to people from southeastern pa for sure
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This is very true. Iām from WNY, and we have more in common with western PA and all the other rust belt areas than with the rest of New York
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Oh for sure. I was visiting near Syracuse last year, a lot of Western New York is much more like Western Pennsylvania and Ohio than anything else. Buffalo just feels like the Midwest.
Nyc should be cut off from ny state, western NY shouldn't be the one being cut off. Central and northeastern NY are nothing like NYC either.
No thanks, we don't want your gross roads.
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Over my cold dead fewer potholes.
It will actually be over your shale oil deposits
Western NY roads suck already
I disagree, we have a beach now.
Iād rather no beach than Delaware beaches, Iāve yet to go to a good one personally
Sounds like a you problem
Itās already kind of horrible in real life if you think about it. The east and west halves of the state are basically two different states culturally speaking.
As a New Yorker Iām all for it - this version of NY would be a utopia without Southern Tier voters.
can confirm, everything from the hudson to binghamton are nothing but angry washed up ex cops and their future cop kids. give āem buffalo too and what do we lose? a couple ugly casinos and Keemstar? good riddance
Abolish Delaware
Not like we couldn't take it over if we wanted to. No one lives there anyway. It's just a place to store addresses of corporations.
that plus the Dupont family.
We dodged a bullet by not claiming New Jersey
Tbf the New Jerseyians have started to colonize parts of Virginia (at least the Blacksburg area)
I have heard of a few settling Colorado
*by not getting annexed by Jersey Your days are numbered mountain man
Try us, we already taught Connecticut about the high ground
Just like that South Park episode
I feel like this makes senseā¦
What if Virginia kept their [1609 land claims](http://www.virginiaplaces.org/boundaries/graphics/landclaims.png)?
Hi, I'm from Duluth, Virginia.. I'm heading down to Chicago, then over to Detroit, then Louisville. I might leave the state after that.
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Almost heaven, big Virginia, Rocky mountains, Mississippi River ...
Imagine the election year ads.
PA would be more Republican if it was like this.
Hard to tell, but I think Baltimore, some of the DC suburbs, most of Delaware, and Buffalo and Ithaca would probably cancel out all the new rural areas.
Damn, you're right. It is on par with VA in 2020 upon checking.
As a pennsylvanian i see this as an absolute win! Now its time for a monarchy and to conquer the earth, one way or another.
Delmarva is now Penmarva
hello based department?
I'm so close to the PA-NY border I'm honestly not sure what side I end up on
As a Pennsylvanian this is how it should be.
Best timeline
Pennsylvania canāt handle Morgantown!
Pennyslvania?
Hey, that's partly on my Patrons. They know the deal: I post something there first so they can correct my spelling errors.
Lol, sorry, that was meant as a joke
And next comes Nickleslvania, then Dimeslvania, then Quarterslvania.
*knock knock knock* Pennyslvania? *knock knock knock* Pennyslvania? (i'm sorry)
As a New Yorker this makes cultural sense but I will not stand for it
Ithica? Why would they change the spelling?
The Steelers, Eagles, Ravens and Bills all in the same state. There would be no need to worry about this state as the occupants would burn it down before the playoffs even started.
If ifs and buts were candy & nutsā¦
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You already know New York the Empire State now get ready to meet. Pennsylvania the Square State.
Aside from annexing Delaware and absorbing huge chunks of Maryland and West Virginia, it would also put Cornell and Johns Hopkins in Pennsylvania. Although mega-Pennsylvania might change the location of those schools, since they were founded in the 2nd half of the 1800s.
Any scenario that makes the Steelers the 4th best team in its own state Iām in favor of.
it got even Pennsylvanier
It is the Moral and National obligation of every Pennsylvanian to ensure the existence of a Pennsylvanian State.
"Elmira, Pennsylvania" sounds like a cartoon character.
It's beautiful. As a greater Pennsylvanian nationalist, I can't wait for the day M*ryland gets wiped from the Earth
As a Marylander i would declare war
and do what? lose immediately after a flash flood ruins your land?
I stand with you!
I mean itās not like theyāre taking anything important- A New Jerseyan
Super cursed Lmao Delmarva looks like a crime against humanity and the whole Buffalo/Niagara area is split super weird. Would it have killed them to claim just up to Lake Ontario so the borders were nice? Good map
Now do one with Virginia getting all their land claims. Heck, go all out and do a war between Pennsylvania and Virginia.
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Also you have several rivers wrong: the Susquehanna flows through Binghamton, while the Lackawanna is farther south, in Scranton; the Chemung flows through Elmira.
Cornell would be Penn State North
holy fucking shit based
The *real* keystone state. But it can be biggerā¦ maybe an annexation of West Virginia and Connecticut after their debacle over The control of Wilkes-Barre/Scranton region
This would probably make it a fairly safe Republican state these days
Buffalo, Baltimore, and suburban DC would add more blue than red
You seem to be right. I did a rough mock up on redrawthestates and Biden would have won by 800,000 votes. Biden 5,967,867 Trump 5,171,773 https://kevinhayeswilson.com/redraw/?share=67ab15c75d58e64f8g3Mi67j159k4l44m102n92o99p105q120r64s16t3Mu3M2u6MuM3uM2uM14v83w87x82y115z56A93B17C10D21E33FGMG2MG3M2GM2GM3GM6GM8GM13G3M2G2M5G2M100H53I88J77K36L67M5N46O66P95Q254R29S14T21UM11UM18UM79UM39V2M9WMWMW2MWM5WM3WMWMWM5WM6W2M8W72X23Y
Thank you for this website, Iām going to waste hours of my time on it haha
For whatever reason I thought that this was a "France replaced by Pennsylvania" map. Now I'm somewhat happy but also sad that it isn't.
PA returned to its rightful borders
Do Virginia next, they used to have a claim from New York to Mexico, Alabama to Alaska. https://preview.redd.it/0sw8vggfp6bb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c1112193ba0cf0e83655ab21a4efec25b36a4bf
BASED HELL YEA
MEGASYLVANIA
*Pan*sylvania.
William Penn would be proud
As a Marylander from Frederick, I would love this. Shall-issue CCW without the insanely expensive mandatory training class? AKs, G3s, and FALs? No more stupid HQL or the State Police-approved list of handguns weāre limited to? Iāll take this version of PA in a heartbeat!
"Buffalo, Pennsylvania" and "Baltimore, Pennsylvania" doesn't really kick as much as "Buffalo, New York" and "Baltimore, Maryland" does it?
I'm willing to compromise on the other land claims, but the 3 rebellious southern counties going by the name "Delaware" must be reunited to the motherland.
What if Deseret got all of its land claim?
There probably wouldnāt be an Erie Canal for one, not unless it turns into a New York/Pennsylvania project.
Scranton! (What!) The Electric City!
I kind of like it, but instead of butchering that Maryland/Virginia peninsula like they always do, they should just give the whole thing to Pennsylvania
You vill take our brozerly love und you vill enjoy it!!
Then I would still be living in west by god.
Bigsylvania
Let Maryland keep Baltimore and we'll take everything else.
Now do Connecticut. We want our notch back and our Ohio territory
Dear god itās beautiful
As long as they stay out of Jersey
As am member of the state of Pennsylvania I approve
Not even Pennsylvania wanted any part of New Jersey.
Pennsylvania has 1 more electoral vote and an extra 50 million in there economy, also America is Communist Autocracy
They create a canal from Lake Erie to the Chesapeake Bay after the American Civil War, which makes it have a strong economy and causes people to immigrate a lot more. (Source: Just Trust Me) This allows them to industrialize rapidly in the 20th century and eventually becomes the California of the East. Pennsylvania becomes very progressive as well and The Great Migration never happens as Black people go to Pennsylvania to not be discriminated against. The West stays sparsely populated like the Midwest while the East becomes as densely populated as Japan.
We would take any offers for Hagerstown
Pennsylvania is a square now.
ohio and new jersey, spared from the wrath of pennsylvania
I like this :D
You labelled the Susquehanna the Lackawanna and labelled the Chemung River as the Susquehanna.
 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We must grow!
EAST COAST WYOMING
AS GOD INTENDED
Buffalo would have a big influence on this state.
I love how it takes a little of all surrounding states but is like ānah, Im goodā with NJ
I really hate this map good job
RAHHH PENNSYLVANIA IM A PENNSYLVANIA NATIONALIST
as a pennsylvanian, this is the most based thing iāve ever seen
Pennsylvania with Buffalo. The Cherry on the Sunday that said we saw that NY State economic assentation was helped by having access to both the Great Lakes and the Atlantic shipping. But then it had the Erie Canal.
As a Pennsylvanian, I adore this.
THICCclyvania
Oh damn, I'm so late on this, but this is the moment my user name was made for!
Its so...tacky
PA has just gone from being mostly blue to solidly red in presidential elections
No? It got Buffalo, Baltimore, Delaware, and a good portion of the DC suburbs. That probably makes it bluer.
And you also figureā¦ Thereās going to be no Erie Canal, at least like we know in our timeline. Perhaps the Main Line (which started out as a potential canal project before fully going to railroad) becomes the eventual āErie Canalā) Which in turn could make Philly like what New York is Which in turn could make Lancaster, Harrisburg, and any other decent sized town much larger cities, Pittsburgh probably becomes even larger, and Erie could be like what Buffalo is in our timeline. Pennsylvania would definitely have different demographics as time goes along. Edit: Even Baltimore would be majorly different in this timeline, as a secondary port of entry (via the Chesapeake) to said Pennsylvanian āErie Canalā, and the Susquehanna from the bay up to Harrisburg would also be majorly developed Iād think, and (being a local) Lancaster and Columbia may even be a decently sized conglomeration as a junction between the Susquehanna and āErie Canal/Main Lineā.
Oh, yeah, the state (and its neighbors) would develop very differently if these had been the borders from the start. I was more taking it as "if PA annexed all of this right now".
Republicans kinda well, outnumber democrats by alot.
This is strictly wrong. Republican *land* out-acres Democrat land.
Yeah but with today's world and how much the democrats(biden and his little gathering, really.) Are fucking up the country that may change, quickly too. In erie i can tell you with confidence that most people are turning republican.
...which is why they lost a senate seat and only barely flipped the House?
Don't forget they lost governorships and multiple state legislatures!
As a Pennsylvanian I have to say I agree with this. And we can all agree that the fugitive in Warren should be the governor
I live in PA now? I think the McFuck not. :P
They would be Solid Republican
I made a map of this a year or two ago as a joke at 3am, I must say yours looks a bit better than mine
d.c. is almost fucked
Weād have an issue.
Lookin boxier than it already is
Now we just need South Jersey and Ohioās Erie coast and weāll have all the living space we needing
It would mean Iād live in it and wouldnāt be too happy
Now do Virginia...
Cubesylvannia
idk how I feel about a bigger Pennsylvania but I do like that Delaware doesn't exist anymore. That means that all the PA folks can stop coming to the Jersey shore.
I'm sure some of them will still go to *a* [Jersey Shore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Shore,_Pennsylvania)