Not saying you shouldn't, just asking what your concern is. The way I see it children learn history and in a way relearn it later. As a kid we learned Aryan Invasion in CBSE board and today I know it's bs.
I think this is less reason to be concerned. As long it produces technically skilled people and kids are learning about culture from their home, why be concerned? As a country we should focus on the present - on safety, cleanliness, on ecosystem, on manufacturing, on having good will between each other.
>and in a way relearn it later.
Most kids do not. My ex friend used to say the most balantly false things bcos thats what we were taught in school. You will find them all over the randia subreddit. You and me are terminally online so we have that thirst for knowledge. But most kids do not. They just learn some shit in school and then don't bother about it later.
>and kids are learning about culture from their home, why be concerned?
They are not learning about culture from home. Thats the main issue. My parents never taught me anything. They were too busy working. Truth is that colonialism completely destroyed our cultural knowledge. And we never built it back up. I know that the west is very biased against india. So i have no idea what syllabus they are going to prepare. If the kids don't ever learn about the telugu kingdoms, then I can say goodbye to the language right now. It may as well be dead in 20-30 years.
Yes so your second paragraph is the key. Colonialism didn't destroy our cultural knowledge - we still have it, we are not practicing it which is the problem . Can you name a single politician who is virtuous? Can you name a single man who hasn't gone back on his word? Can you name a person who works more and talks less? Can you name a man who cares for others beyond religion and caste and all these social constructs? Our culture isn't just the language we speak or the festivals we celebrate - it's **what you see currently** -- the safety women feel when walking down the road, the good wishes in the hearts of people towards one another, the unity, the industriousness and work ethic, the cleanliness -- these are our culture, and we've taken it to the dumps.
>we still have it,
Where bro?? Who has the knowledge? Do you know of any youth who reads about our culture?
>Can you name a since politician who is virtuous?
What makes you think that these people have extensive knowledge about our culture? Most ppl are not even taught religious education.
>these are our culture, and we've taken it to the dumps.
Buddy, this is lack of culture which has made it a dump. Did you know that its customary to wash ur guests hands and feet before they enter ur house? Do you see any street vendor washing their hands? Ppl have forgotten their culture.
So what I mean is it's there in writing - unlike other cultures around the world for which texts have been lost. We have to live it.
At least in Mumbai (where I am from) there is a very casual attitude about cleanliness, corruption, labor, human lives etc, that should end at a personal level.
>unlike other cultures around the world for which texts have been lost. We have to live it.
Its basically lost for us too. We had a poor documentation in the past. Not to mention the destruction of gurukul system and libraries like nalanda.
Yeah bro, giving our hard earned money to foreign universities is definitely a good thing. You fail to understand that chinese students have reduced now. Bcos they understood that its a raw deal for them. Their main objective was to steal western technology and it looks like they were successful in that.
IIT IIM folks have already left India. There is no point in blaming anyone. The government itself invest only a peanut in R&D. Sadly we failed to attract the brilliant minds. The government should invest more than 3 percentage of the GDP in r&d to stop the brain drain
And jagan is doing this shit instead of investing in R&D. That was my whole point. I'm not blaming ppl for leaving. But atleast the govt should be more optimistic.
Unfortunate truth that cbse is better for Indian competitive exams, but let me tell you, as a former iB student now studying in an Indian university. iB was much more stimulating and challenging, where we were forced to push ourselves to our limits, both academically and creatively, with it's various compulsory internal research and project components, community service, etc. On the other hand, in Indian education, all you have to do is repeatedly spend huge amounts of time directly memorising as much as you can, and you'd do good in exams. It's why I don't feel any satisfaction at all even when I'm getting good scores in university, because all I'm doing is mugging up, which, while time taking, isn't really challenging and it's boring, doesn't teach students proper skills. I'm not particularly saying that we should implement iB in India but we should change our own education system, look at other successful models like iB, and come up with our own improved version. Whatever we have now is just some messed up shit.
First of all, CBSE is not about rote learning and that's from personal experience. I had studied both state and cbse curriculum.
Since I have no knowledge about IB i cannot compare but i had ICSE students friends who said mainly the English course was the main difference and little bit of math compared to cbse.
People claim a lot online to prove their point so I always take it with a pinch of salt. (Don't take it personally)
The problem is not at the school levels but at graduation levels. Curriculum is not practically that relevant and the focus is on completing syllabus rather innovation.
But considering the number of population India has and the low per capita income, universities have to be affordable and accessible. As a result we have what we have as of now.
It's well known how hard it is for students to fund their blue-collar graduate courses in America. Many take other courses due to lack of funds.
I am not supporting Indian education system but explaining the reasons behind the issue. Things are slowly changing but it will take time.
So IB will not make a difference here but in fact will be a disadvantage as the problem is not at school level mainly but at graduation levels.
I can understand your pain coming from the same state.
This move is kind of Jai-J's missionary alliance. I am not against any religion, but it has to be said. Missionaries have grown over the last 2 decades and their whole purpose is to lure in as many people as possible like a pyramid scheme.
This move just makes it easier to brainwash the children from the early age and easy to convert them.
Not being delusional but it will have an impact on the children as they learn and grow, let's see if the government changes and rolls this back.
It's just an MoU and these can always be rolled back.
I personally don't have anything on this IB board. I moved out from the state a year back. But I feel the parents in a larger group want their kids to have such internal exposure from the beginning, I guess this mindset is also a reason that there is no backlash from any organisations or entities. Considering we have a lot of Andhraits settling in the west.
However the kids will not have any good exposure of Bharat or its history, social and political studies..most importantly SSC syllabus had these nice stories, poetry in telugu, atleast when I was in school. All those had an impact on most of the kids born in 90s and 2000s.
Guess this is progress now.
Yeah, but its still really weird. Idk till what extent a foreign based syllabus is going to work. Instead of improving the already existing state syllabus, jagan is doing sutiyapa.
Tell me which sector he did not touch and did his sutiyapa?
You won't find one.
All in the name of 'freebies', an official way to say I will give you x amount for your vote.
I had tutors who taught IB/gave IB tuitions and they said it was better to stick with IGCSE.I doubt an expensive system like this will work in Indian government schools
I'm not sure about the details but IB syllabus is too different from any other indian syllabus. It will cause problems during competetive exams. Also, nobody knows what they will teach for history and politics classes. Plus, they would have to train teachers in a completely new way.
I am just being cautious. Jagan has been doing weird things from the beginning. First, he removed telugu medium and now this. What was wrong with CBSE? Why did they have to depend on a foreign syllabus? Won't the syllabus be geared towards swiss/french population?
And the govt should do so that they don't run away. Thats what I am trying to say. Jagan has said in his speech "We will give microsoft jobs to everyone." This was his dream since the beginning. Instead of promoting entreprenurship, he is promoting slave mentality. Right now, UPI is being sold to few countries. Something we made. Something we can be proud of. Instead of that, jagan would rather everyone do call center jobs for google pay or something.
First of all, we don't have much discoveries or research to be proud of. We are behind every country on this. Chest thumping on one UPI is not going to make us big.
And secondly, the country is suffering from a serious employment crisis right now. If he can provide even basic jobs, people will be more than happy. Entrepreneurship can't happen on empty stomach.
What a loser mentality that is.
>First of all, we don't have much discoveries or research to be proud of.
We do actually. This alone proves that you haven't read history.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries
And you're asking me why I'm concerned. Do me a favor and stop replying to me. Get urself educated first.
As an IB graduate, don't worry. The syllabus isn't so strict that teachers locally don't have any influence at all. They provide a very good educational model, and overall you benefit a lot from it. It's also not that IB is the end all be all; schools can choose to include and exclude certain subjects, e.g. history will probably not be offered as an IB subject, but rather as a CBSE subject that you take on top of IB courses.
Ib is better curriculum compared to CBSE but, Indian competitive exams are based on CBSE so it might be a disadvantage for that aspect. It might also take a lot of time to get adapted to both for the students and the teachers.
Government want that children should learn from Switzerland but the fact is government should learn from Switzerland
I wonder what kind of history they will teach in IB courses.
Why are you concerned about this? That they'll teach things against Hindu people?
Yes. Why shouldn't I be concerned about that? Isn't this a democracy?
Not saying you shouldn't, just asking what your concern is. The way I see it children learn history and in a way relearn it later. As a kid we learned Aryan Invasion in CBSE board and today I know it's bs. I think this is less reason to be concerned. As long it produces technically skilled people and kids are learning about culture from their home, why be concerned? As a country we should focus on the present - on safety, cleanliness, on ecosystem, on manufacturing, on having good will between each other.
>and in a way relearn it later. Most kids do not. My ex friend used to say the most balantly false things bcos thats what we were taught in school. You will find them all over the randia subreddit. You and me are terminally online so we have that thirst for knowledge. But most kids do not. They just learn some shit in school and then don't bother about it later. >and kids are learning about culture from their home, why be concerned? They are not learning about culture from home. Thats the main issue. My parents never taught me anything. They were too busy working. Truth is that colonialism completely destroyed our cultural knowledge. And we never built it back up. I know that the west is very biased against india. So i have no idea what syllabus they are going to prepare. If the kids don't ever learn about the telugu kingdoms, then I can say goodbye to the language right now. It may as well be dead in 20-30 years.
Yes so your second paragraph is the key. Colonialism didn't destroy our cultural knowledge - we still have it, we are not practicing it which is the problem . Can you name a single politician who is virtuous? Can you name a single man who hasn't gone back on his word? Can you name a person who works more and talks less? Can you name a man who cares for others beyond religion and caste and all these social constructs? Our culture isn't just the language we speak or the festivals we celebrate - it's **what you see currently** -- the safety women feel when walking down the road, the good wishes in the hearts of people towards one another, the unity, the industriousness and work ethic, the cleanliness -- these are our culture, and we've taken it to the dumps.
>we still have it, Where bro?? Who has the knowledge? Do you know of any youth who reads about our culture? >Can you name a since politician who is virtuous? What makes you think that these people have extensive knowledge about our culture? Most ppl are not even taught religious education. >these are our culture, and we've taken it to the dumps. Buddy, this is lack of culture which has made it a dump. Did you know that its customary to wash ur guests hands and feet before they enter ur house? Do you see any street vendor washing their hands? Ppl have forgotten their culture.
So what I mean is it's there in writing - unlike other cultures around the world for which texts have been lost. We have to live it. At least in Mumbai (where I am from) there is a very casual attitude about cleanliness, corruption, labor, human lives etc, that should end at a personal level.
>unlike other cultures around the world for which texts have been lost. We have to live it. Its basically lost for us too. We had a poor documentation in the past. Not to mention the destruction of gurukul system and libraries like nalanda.
history is about what you believe is true lol, soe will write any bs and you can say, yo thats the right history, so dont emhasis much over ti.
Thats not the right attitude. History is definitely important. Otherwise, leftists won't have any ammo only.
IB is the best syllabus ever in the world
Best syllabus for cucks.
I don't want to argue with you. Studying in any IB school will give you advantages that CBSE cannot provide
The only advantage is that you will be easily accepted in international universities. Which is jagan's main objective.
That's a good thing. China did the same at the peak of the Industrial Revolution
Yeah bro, giving our hard earned money to foreign universities is definitely a good thing. You fail to understand that chinese students have reduced now. Bcos they understood that its a raw deal for them. Their main objective was to steal western technology and it looks like they were successful in that.
IIT IIM folks have already left India. There is no point in blaming anyone. The government itself invest only a peanut in R&D. Sadly we failed to attract the brilliant minds. The government should invest more than 3 percentage of the GDP in r&d to stop the brain drain
And jagan is doing this shit instead of investing in R&D. That was my whole point. I'm not blaming ppl for leaving. But atleast the govt should be more optimistic.
Uno reverse
Cbse would have been better than this political move. These students will struggle in competitive exams of India without separate preparations.
Unfortunate truth that cbse is better for Indian competitive exams, but let me tell you, as a former iB student now studying in an Indian university. iB was much more stimulating and challenging, where we were forced to push ourselves to our limits, both academically and creatively, with it's various compulsory internal research and project components, community service, etc. On the other hand, in Indian education, all you have to do is repeatedly spend huge amounts of time directly memorising as much as you can, and you'd do good in exams. It's why I don't feel any satisfaction at all even when I'm getting good scores in university, because all I'm doing is mugging up, which, while time taking, isn't really challenging and it's boring, doesn't teach students proper skills. I'm not particularly saying that we should implement iB in India but we should change our own education system, look at other successful models like iB, and come up with our own improved version. Whatever we have now is just some messed up shit.
First of all, CBSE is not about rote learning and that's from personal experience. I had studied both state and cbse curriculum. Since I have no knowledge about IB i cannot compare but i had ICSE students friends who said mainly the English course was the main difference and little bit of math compared to cbse. People claim a lot online to prove their point so I always take it with a pinch of salt. (Don't take it personally) The problem is not at the school levels but at graduation levels. Curriculum is not practically that relevant and the focus is on completing syllabus rather innovation. But considering the number of population India has and the low per capita income, universities have to be affordable and accessible. As a result we have what we have as of now. It's well known how hard it is for students to fund their blue-collar graduate courses in America. Many take other courses due to lack of funds. I am not supporting Indian education system but explaining the reasons behind the issue. Things are slowly changing but it will take time. So IB will not make a difference here but in fact will be a disadvantage as the problem is not at school level mainly but at graduation levels.
CBSE is way easy than ICSE. Not just Maths and English but also Science and social studies.
which indian university r u studying in?
I agree with you. We should change our own education system instead of using foreign ones like IB
I can understand your pain coming from the same state. This move is kind of Jai-J's missionary alliance. I am not against any religion, but it has to be said. Missionaries have grown over the last 2 decades and their whole purpose is to lure in as many people as possible like a pyramid scheme. This move just makes it easier to brainwash the children from the early age and easy to convert them. Not being delusional but it will have an impact on the children as they learn and grow, let's see if the government changes and rolls this back. It's just an MoU and these can always be rolled back.
Do you have any extra info on this? What are ppl saying about this? I would love to know.
I personally don't have anything on this IB board. I moved out from the state a year back. But I feel the parents in a larger group want their kids to have such internal exposure from the beginning, I guess this mindset is also a reason that there is no backlash from any organisations or entities. Considering we have a lot of Andhraits settling in the west. However the kids will not have any good exposure of Bharat or its history, social and political studies..most importantly SSC syllabus had these nice stories, poetry in telugu, atleast when I was in school. All those had an impact on most of the kids born in 90s and 2000s. Guess this is progress now.
Yeah, but its still really weird. Idk till what extent a foreign based syllabus is going to work. Instead of improving the already existing state syllabus, jagan is doing sutiyapa.
Tell me which sector he did not touch and did his sutiyapa? You won't find one. All in the name of 'freebies', an official way to say I will give you x amount for your vote.
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I had tutors who taught IB/gave IB tuitions and they said it was better to stick with IGCSE.I doubt an expensive system like this will work in Indian government schools
What is the impact of this move??
I'm not sure about the details but IB syllabus is too different from any other indian syllabus. It will cause problems during competetive exams. Also, nobody knows what they will teach for history and politics classes. Plus, they would have to train teachers in a completely new way.
"I don't know anything, but I know it is bad"
I am just being cautious. Jagan has been doing weird things from the beginning. First, he removed telugu medium and now this. What was wrong with CBSE? Why did they have to depend on a foreign syllabus? Won't the syllabus be geared towards swiss/french population?
I understand your concern, but you need to gain info and knowledge, before criticising the decision.
Buddy, wtf is wrong with CBSE?? Jagan is only doing this so he can send cheap IT coolies to work in western countries.
Isn't everyone already trying to do so? Have you seen desperation among young folks to get this?
And the govt should do so that they don't run away. Thats what I am trying to say. Jagan has said in his speech "We will give microsoft jobs to everyone." This was his dream since the beginning. Instead of promoting entreprenurship, he is promoting slave mentality. Right now, UPI is being sold to few countries. Something we made. Something we can be proud of. Instead of that, jagan would rather everyone do call center jobs for google pay or something.
First of all, we don't have much discoveries or research to be proud of. We are behind every country on this. Chest thumping on one UPI is not going to make us big. And secondly, the country is suffering from a serious employment crisis right now. If he can provide even basic jobs, people will be more than happy. Entrepreneurship can't happen on empty stomach.
What a loser mentality that is. >First of all, we don't have much discoveries or research to be proud of. We do actually. This alone proves that you haven't read history. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries And you're asking me why I'm concerned. Do me a favor and stop replying to me. Get urself educated first.
India has the worst competitive exams in the world
Ok? And?
As an IB graduate, don't worry. The syllabus isn't so strict that teachers locally don't have any influence at all. They provide a very good educational model, and overall you benefit a lot from it. It's also not that IB is the end all be all; schools can choose to include and exclude certain subjects, e.g. history will probably not be offered as an IB subject, but rather as a CBSE subject that you take on top of IB courses.
Let the state experiment and see the results.
Ib is better curriculum compared to CBSE but, Indian competitive exams are based on CBSE so it might be a disadvantage for that aspect. It might also take a lot of time to get adapted to both for the students and the teachers.
>Ib is better curriculum How is it better? Do you have any experience with it?