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Sensitive_Goose_8902

These middle age cages look brand new, I knew German engineering was good, but this is on another level


Compducer

Right? I don’t think they had stainless steel in the Middle Ages lmao


crewchiefguy

They solved the problem of rust in the Middle Ages don’t ya know.


tw3lv3l4y3rs0fb4c0n

The process of bluing (coating via black oxide) was actually already known in the Middle Ages.


LateNewb

They got restored in 1927 and 1945. According to Wikipedia.


krssonee

Is that reich?


LateNewb

Reich was technically from 33 to 45. But a certain person was around back then. Just not as chancellor.


postmodern_spatula

war ends…”so hey guys I’ve been thinking, let’s restore our torture boxes. That’s probably a smart move after all this Nazi business.”


_siDeshOw_85

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VariedStool

Reich?


42069hahalmao

The cages need to get cleaned after being rented out ☹️


Flux_resistor

quaint fixer upper with amazing city views. $4000 first month free!


AStove

They are perfectly livable if you expand the space a little with galavanized steel beams and anchors borrowed from your aunt.


Buriedpickle

You really need eco friendly wood veneer to bring the place together


Still_Explorer

In fact, they were full of white dried substances. >!Probably those pigeons pooped all over the place.!<


ElsonDaSushiChef

Yeah i’m pretty sure they’re on a higher level indeed, assuming the church gas multiple levels


daddy----oooo

it's the aftermath of the Munster Rebellion, Dan Carlin did a podcast about it, #48 Prophets of Doom


Spacecommander5

Such a great episode, but really i could say that about most of them


pointmaisterflex

Jan van Leiden ended up there (dead already) together with the ex major and...... Any any case: for the dutch speakers: there is a very good podcast, Jan van Leiden, Max Boogaard and a even better book by Luc Panhuysen, de beloofde stad. Unfortunately no translation available for either.


tatasz

Also Q by Luther Blissett is a fun fiction piece about that.


Mechoulams_Left_Foot

That episode, holy shit.


Ambitious-Beat-2130

Sure they knew how to galvanize steel back then lol


prickinthewall

Those are the Wiedertäufer Käfige in Münster. The tower was partly destroyed at the end of WW2 and the cages were damaged. In 1948 they were repaired and reinstalled. So they've seen some work but they are still the same cages that were originally built in 1535.


Unworthy-Benefits

Are the cages at St Lambert's church in Münster? Going on a roadtrip to Germany in 3 weeks and would love to go see them. Any other attractions in Münster, all info is greatly appreciated!


prickinthewall

Yes, they are. I am not from there and just knew about the cages by coincidence. However, here is a (German) wiki with attractions. https://wiki.muenster.org/index.php/Kategorie:Sehensw%C3%BCrdigkeit Unfortunately I can't give you better pointers than that.


Unworthy-Benefits

Cheers i'll go and have a look at the wiki. Ill translate the page as i dont speak german. If any one as attractions on something they love about Münster, ill gladly read about that too. Im a tourist but prefer going to places locals enjoy, rather than over touristic areas!


Daydreams107

Hi! I live near Münster, maybe i can give you some tips. The Aasee: Its a Lake somewhat in the middle of the City. Its pretty nice to chill out there and have a drink or two. Many locals will sit around the lake and have their little partys and get togethers. The Lambertikirche, as mentioned above. Then you should definitely visit the Prinzipalmarkt, which is near the Lambertikirche. Its a wonderfull very "old-germanish" styled shopping street with a high diversity on shops, bars, and all that stuff. Definitely try some fresh bread from the bakerys there. Theres also the old Townhall, which is very famous for their Friedenssaal (Room of freedom?). You can visit it, theres a lot of history to be seen in there. You also should look up when the local farmers markets open up, you get very fresh and good quality produce there. If you want to go out partying, definitely check out the "Jüdefelder Straße", there are many clubs in one street next to each other. Davidwache is a pretty cool spot as far as i heared. A bit further out, theres a zoo and a pretty cool planetarium. Have fun in Münster! :)


Daydreams107

Oh i forgot to mention the Harbor, "Münsteraner Hafen", there are a lot of restaurants with a beautiful scenery around them.


Unworthy-Benefits

Thanks for the info! The market street and the farmer market will definitively be a must for me. Münster seems like a place filled with history, I will enjoy myself for sure!


prickinthewall

That's a good approach in my opinion. I hope you have a great time in Germany.


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EffectiveAd4158

You should also visit the Münster Schloss (castle) its botanic garden is great


Pflanzenzuechter

I live really close to Münster. The city is just gorgeous. Just to walk around and see the unique architecture. If you're into beer, there's a good brewery with a beer garden called Pinkus in the old part of town.


CheesyBoson

A cage of Theseus


BearBearJarJar

"they broke our cages that we let people rot in!" "oh no! we need those! get them repaired"


unremarkedable

They've replaced the steel strips with new ones as they rust, and all the screws are new of course, but they're the same cages


Motor_Conflict_1026

Is the boat still same if you replace all the nails and wood?


prickinthewall

AFAIK they didn't replace most of the metal.


olafderhaarige

You know something called preservation? There are things you can apply on steel, some kind of magical coating, that prevents the steel from oxidizing, so that a part from history can be enjoyed by generations to come. I have shocking news for you: they do a similar thing with paintings of old Masters!


Harengus_Rex

Magical? Tell me more!!!!


thomstevens420

Christ brings love and galvanized square steel beams


Looopopos

God is merciful and brings eco-friendly wood veneer that lasts for thousands of years


derorje

I would've thought they were out of oxidised copper. Edit: ... or bronze


tw3lv3l4y3rs0fb4c0n

At least bluing was known back then.


killaluggi

Tell me you never saw something that came out of a blacksmith shop without telling me that you never saw something that came out of o blacksmith shop.... Or why do you think the paint color Schmiedeantik is called Schmiedeantik?


V8-6-4

Not quite middle ages but it was first described in 1742.


Daring_Divaa

These cages held the corpses of Münster Rebellion leaders as a grim reminder of the past. Still hanging on St. Lambert's Church in Germany.


Semurahn

At least one of those is a shortcut elevator.


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tired_of_old_memes

I think in this case the condemned were already dead when placed in the cages


talk-radio

They were dead before being placed in the cages. If memory serves me right, the condemned were tied to a post and tortured for one hour, one by one. If one of them fainted while being tortured, the process would be stopped until they regained consciousness at which time the torture would continue. At the end of the hour, the condemned was killed, usually with a knife through the heart. As the condemned were tied to posts back to back, they could hear the screams and feel the shaking of their co-conspirators who were being tortured, realising their turn was coming soon. Once dead, they were placed in the cages and hung at the church as a warning to all.


Minirig355

Holy fuck humanity is scary sometimes. I don’t think there’s really anything to justify that level of torture, but I’m curious, what did these guys do to get tortured like that? *From Wikipedia:* > John of Leiden (born Johan Beukelszoon; 2 February 1509 – 22 January 1536) was a Dutch Anabaptist leader. In 1533 he moved to Münster, capital of the Prince-Bishopric of Münster, where he became an influential prophet, turned the city into a millenarian Anabaptist theocracy, and proclaimed himself King of New Jerusalem in September 1534. The insurrection was suppressed in June 1535 after Prince-Bishop Franz von Waldeck besieged the city and captured John. John was tortured to death in the city's central marketplace on 22 January 1536, along with Bernhard Knipperdolling and Bernhard Krechting.


No-Astronaut-3434

Read up on it. Dude had it coming.


labbmedsko

Probably, but I wouldn't be so sure. After all, the first-hand accounts are made by the authorities that tortured him to death. And judging from the perspective of our own time: Was he really any worse than the state that he supplanted? I doubt it.


wandering-gecco

Christianity, a religion of peace, love and forgiveness


No-Astronaut-3434

Have you read what this guy did to the city while in power? Among a lot of other crap, polygamy was... "enforced" with women who disagreed with it being beheaded.


Deadbeathero

And he got into power after an even crazier anabaptist dude died fighting. It’s like Hitler dying and another nazi getting as much popularity and power and extending ww2 another 5 years.


EditPiaf

Funny to see how misinformation spreads.


Total-Boat6380

Nope, stop spreading misinformation.


Affectionate_Pool348

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Leiden If someone wants some more information


Spatzz724

Dan Carlin from Hardcore History did an awesome episode about this a few years back


AlwaysCurious1250

1534. Early modern times, not medieval.


HSomDevil

By the age of 25 had already started a cult and declared himself a king. This man's LinkedIn profile would have been fire. 


angle58

Can someone please explain to me why the people of the Middle Ages were such deranged bloodlusting psychopath sickos?


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Top_Squash4454

It's not medieval


LaoBa

The Renaissance was the time of the wars or religion and the witch burnings in Europe.


MotoratonesdeMarte

Münster. Beautiful city


finndego

Dan Carlin's Prophets of Doom covers this story. It's quite amazing.


DamonFields

Because God is love.


ctesibius

Those cages held the bodies of some particularly nasty cultists who took over the city of Münster. I’m not in favour of capital punishment, but on this occasion the state church was not the villain of the piece.


donquixote2u

yes, that was the Munster mash, it caught on in a flash.


-SaC

*I was working in the church, late one night...*


tired_of_old_memes

Well okay, John of Leiden was "nasty", but come on... the Prince-bishop didn't need to have John's body ripped apart with red-hot tongs for the space of an hour, then have his tongue ripped out of his mouth while he was still alive. That sounds a little excessive.


tastyfetusjerky

The people didn't need to try eating the cobblestones either, but someone said they'd be turned to bread so fuck em.


YuriiRud

And we are sinners.


Aggressive_Peach_768

Looks like dark souls elevators


Eastern_Slide7507

The people in there were executed in 1536. The events surrounding the execution were very much part of the dynamics that we consider the starting point of the early modern period. These cages are not medieval.


Sadrim

Those are from the Münster Rebellion. Marguerite Youcenar (famous french and belgian author) made a fantastic book narrating this episode : L'œuvre au noir (The Abyss, in english)


Rhysredditaccount

These were the cages that held the bodies of three revolutionaries. I remember seeing this. IIRC there were three revolutionaries that were captured, tortured and mutilated. Then hung in those cages for about 50 years before finally being removed. They left the cages there though. Good old Christianity, the largest purveyor of peace and harmony.


ctesibius

Revolutionaries in the sense that ISIS were revolutionaries. These were in no sense good guys.


finndego

They were not the good guys in this case.


katietheplantlady

Yes. We moved to Germany from the usa and my husband wanted to see them in person knowing the story. He remembered them as being in Münich. They were in Münster. Münich was nice, don't get me wrong, but it was bout 6 hours in the wrong direction. Nice memory though. (And the cages are badass)


SolidContribution688

Listen to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History if you want to learn about those cages.


kennethkiffer

That medieval supermarket shopping cart delivery system for those who live high up was cutting edge. But the wait was torture.


rcrux

Cages from the middle ages = cool band name


TheGentlemanARN

This is where we put "Falschparker"


Defiant-Sandwich9185

There’s a dan Carlin podcast - “profits of Doom “of who ended up in those cages and their wild public executions


EditPiaf

Not from the Middle Ages. They're ~~replicas from~~ the cages in which anabaptist rebels' bodies were shown to the people after the anabaptist rebellion during the Reformation. 


Total-Boat6380

Nope. They are still the originals. Also, they are not "cages", but baskets. >Am Turm von St. Lamberti hängen die „originalen“ „Wiedertäufer-Käfige“ von 1535/1536. Das offensichtlich unausrottbare Gerücht, es handele sich dort oben um Kopien, die Originale befänden sich im Stadtmuseum in der Salzstraße, hat der Gründer des Zoologischen Gartens Hermann Landois in die Welt gebracht. [Quelle](https://wiki.muenster.org/index.php/Wiedert%C3%A4ufer-K%C3%A4fige)


Laowaii87

I was going to say that considering their condition, there is simply no way these are not reproductions.


Total-Boat6380

They are still the originals, but they were repaired over the years


af_lt274

But why are they shiny? Silver metal paint? Some specialist conservation treatment?


Total-Boat6380

Don't know, I haven't found anything about that yet, but they probably have some protective coating.


corbiniano

If a foreign theocratic terrorist group takes over your hometown, expelles all Catholics, confiscates all wealth and food, forces polygamy on the population (women can't refuse a proposal) and makes the trapped population fight to the bitter end against the government while the leadership lives in luxury, you also might take a dim view of said group.


pullen91

With my very limited knowledge of Germany, but my high level of dark souls knowledge, these are lifts


words_of_j

You hate to throw things out that you might need again someday. Plus, no one makes them anymore. Who can blame them for wanting to ‘hang’ on to those? I have a love-hate relationship with most or all large churches. That is, I love to hate them - in as much as I hate anything. I try not to hate, of course, because such things lead to cruel cages like this, when humanity as a whole is considered.


thickeningdick

Fuckin hate that level


bigmanly1

Kinky


nejicanspin

I saw those on my school trip to Germany. They're pretty high up. I remember asking "so they kept the dead bodies in there? Like...oozing through the bars??" and my teacher was all "I would assume so. Things were gross back then" lmao


According-Spite-9854

I appreciate the honesty


Total-Deal-2883

I think I’ve seen those on AirBnB!


nomamesgueyz

Whats anabaptist?


EditPiaf

They were the first Christians in centuries (or: ever, depending who you ask) who didn't believe in paedobaptism (baptising children). So, they would baptise people again. 'Ana-' basically means 're-' in Greek, so 'anabaptist means 're-baptiser'.   (If that were the only point, these people wouldn't have been persecuted and tortured the way they were, but a part of this sect went batshit crazy. You can read up on it on Wikipedia).


TheOnlyZiodberg

I see some unused living space. 560euro cold, great view, good ventilation.


personnumber698

As a kid I was in Münster from time to time and I remember learning about those cages. Kinda gruesome, but also cool


Suitable_Dot_6999

I guess these are the ones in Münster on the church tower. Look like a pretty much final destination...


gde1989

Does anybody here read the book Q? There's a big chapter about those cages


dudusBEAR

Have you heard of an elf on a shelf? Prepare yourself for CAGES ON CHURCHES!


Total-Boat6380

These are not cages, but baskets. Btw, they are still the originals from 1535!


doxytroxy

sad that i automatically think about elden ring...


dubiouscapybara

Münster spotted


Careless_Product_886

That’s not medieval. It’s from the 1500s which isn’t considered Middle Ages.


Relative_Crew_558

Fox News will point to this and say “look how much worse the poors used to have it! No one needs a minimum wage increase!”


Sensitive_Educator60

You fools these are not cages! They are for deep frying them fries.


Jan0zzz

The cages are not from the Middle Ages. They were built in 1535. they are in Münster/Muenster


ALUCARDHELLSINS

The middle ages have no defined ending, most people accept around the 1500s as the end Which would mean that, yes, these are actually from the middle ages......


GodsBeyondGods

Christianity's ISIS days


EditPiaf

If you mean these three guys were ISIS, you're correct


SavageGeek17

I just listened to this on the History Daily podcast. Very cool!


PlentyOMangos

Gibbets and Crows…


benemivikai4eezaet0

Dotard!


adustism

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Individual-Cream-581

At least they got the skeletons out.


AdditionalHost7597

The tale of the two Ians


TheSpiritofFkngCrazy

Is Germany still allowed to have those kinds of cages?


InAb5entia

So want to be caged in there! How?


Janzelot

Three usurpers later hanged by the pope after he found out about their heretical actions. The cages are a modern replacement to remind of the history


TrollsForGiggles

There to remind people to be crateful that this is no longer practiced.


testerololeczkomen

Im preety sure its not church but cathedral.


FussseI

No, it is a church, it is the Lamberti church in Münster. It was never the seat of a bishop (that is a different one in Münster), so no cathedral


Extreme_Employment35

They're not medieval, but from the Renaissance...


ItSm3llsLikec4ke

In the middle ages you could get looked up for even suggesting stainless steel


Interesting-Film7722

Put that knife bastard in there. The set it deep enough so people may burn his feet with coal


st-julien

If you get into one of the cages it’ll take you down to fight Mohg.


1bir

Why haven't they rusted away?


Basileus08

Well, 1535 is not exactly Middle Ages...


Kayden_Hollins

thats cages that are for bakers that bake bread that is not weighed right


Godslayer326

That just sounds like a limerick


IstvanKun

This gives me Elden Ring vibes.


LobsterTrue8433

I'm thinking they would have rusted to dust by now. Could be wrong.


DifficultyDue4280

Lmao can use those for rly bad criminals and see offenders though and leave them to the mercy of the weather,honestly it would be a well worth punishment for being a jerk to society.


JebsNZ

Bloodborn


Intruder6

They need some fresh air between usage


MS-06S_

Am I the only one who sees elevators?


grudging_carpet

Dark souls, anyone?


Masterpiece_1973

Memento


oikset

ach....ze good old dayz


Moobby1

fot the naughty kids that wont have fun time with the pastor


sockrateezzz

Are these the cages they hanged Anabaptists in? The tailor of Munster?


Various_Solid_4420

There is a super cool podcast episode about this It's crazy https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuc3ByZWFrZXIuY29tL3Nob3cvNDc3NDE5My9lcGlzb2Rlcy9mZWVk/episode/aHR0cHM6Ly9zMy11cy13ZXN0LTIuYW1hem9uYXdzLmNvbS9kY2ZlZWQvNDgtUHJvcGhldHMtb2YtRG9vbS1IYXJkY29yZS1IaXN0b3J5LURhbi1DYXJsaW4ubXAz?ep=14


Monos89

If you get in one of the side ones and quickly step out before it starts moving, it'll lower the middle one so you can ride it down to the secret boss if you're quick enough to get in


-Folly

Man got telepirted to dark souls.


plark2

köln


kpo987

No, it's Münster.


ColorAcmd

It seems like they expanded the praying room with galvanised square steel but they forgot to cover it with eco friendly wood veneer


af_lt274

Are they painted silver? Can't possibly be hundreds of years and not be corroded


Ok_Career_3681

They are polished regularly???


Prst_

In my home town we have something similar hanging from the old 'weighing building'. This building hosted scales that were important for trade in a time before official weight standards to serve as the single source of truth regarding weight in the city. On the outside of the building still hangs a cauldron that was used to boil counterfeiters alive in the 15th century. They hung it outside the building as a warning for everyone. https://www.deventertoenennu.nl/tijdvakken/ketel-aan-de-waag-65a68a The original cauldron is now inside the building because its condition was deteriorating due to the elements. An exact replica was just put back on the outside recently. They even replicated the bullet holes that were shot in it by Napoleons soldiers.


xocadaver420xo

Iirc this is munster and had to do with said city's rebellion


MaximumCreed

Damn, that must be medieval KRUPP-STAHL! Looks almost brand new!


Terrible_Log3966

But now for the real important question. Which 3 people would you put in them?


TomKatzmann

Too bad we can't put our disgraced politicians there so bystanders could adorn their visage with any kind of human excretion.


SnooWoofers1252

This is where the bodies of the anabaptists were displayed after their execution. There's a great Dan Carlin podcast about that: Hardcore History – Prophets of Doom


ninoobz

Just a friendly reminder.


ZeroFuckx

Pretty kinky, lets organise a party with some dancers inside


Zo0_KeepeR

The rim is calling me


NobodyStrange

I only live like an hour away! So i have been there a couple times! Very cool to look at! And it has a lot of really nice Cafés around the church ^^


Melodic-Cobbler7381

I wish we were allowed to put Nazis into them ... maybe in the future


Der_Franz_9827

They are in the City Münster in NRW. Münster is also called "Die Fahrrad Stadt" which means "The Bike City" because so many people drive a bike insteqd of a car there. Its a lovely place, if you ever vist North-Rhine Westfalia i can just recommend going there


-DigitalRogue-

Must be an shortcut to next zone


No-Gene-4508

Looks like they are new....


Fleischer444

For drying mangos right?


Saif10ali

Galvanized square steel only🤬. Where's the eco-friendly wood veneer and screws borrowed from aunt?


Comprehensive-Pen681

My fav church in münster. It's gorgeous


Ok_Highlight3926

“With death let them be killed!” - Jan Van Leiden


LordCommander94

"Middle Age" Cages


IronHans1214

That's in Münster, right?


AgencyAggressive3610

I would fill these cages , who would you guys fill them with ?


JoyLove7

/r/ForbiddenAirbnb material right there 😅.


WesternFirefighter53

How would they get someone inside their?


WesternFirefighter53

How would they get someone inside there?


No-You-ey

Ah, the good old times.


Goosyls

Maybe we need this in the future.


Worried7Barracuda

I see good use for then


baldurs_gape

Im pretty sure this is just a shortcut to Micolash but okay


F_F_Kaiser

In case you wondered... They do NOT rent them out to civilians for... lets say roleplaying interests 😀 /jokingornot?


benemivikai4eezaet0

Is the one in the middle... ... one of the middle cages?


SplendaDiabeetus

I believe that's in Munich. There's a great story behind how those got there. The TLDR version goes basically like this: Don't fall for crazy religious end-of-the-world crap. Everyone can interpret the Bible how they want, but some really shouldn't.


JunketPuzzleheaded42

Only 400 Euro per night on Air BNB


ArtichokeNatural3171

We need to bring these back into fashion. You know, for good reasons.


FM596

So they honor their "traditions", that's their culture.