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RowAdditional1614

Clean title. No accidents. DM for info. No lowballers


Kettle_Maker

I know what I have.


LowVacation6622

New car manufacturers hate this one simple trick


UncomprehensiveTruth

Don't ask "is this still available" if you see it is available.


HAL_9_TRILLION

"Hello I would like to buy your car." "It's been sold."


Sufficient_Ad_6977

Local undertakers Love this trick.


uhunziker

Find another!


maifee

Available for sale No accident history Price: 12 grands, slightly negotiable!!


FattyRR

Kilometres: 123456


Rolling_Stone_Siam

Structural integrity = 0


traveler97

I came here to say that. No way that car is safe.


serrimo

Up side is that since the metal lost all its temper, subsequent bents will be much easier to pull out.


SoylentRox

Just have to remove the body and blood from the former occupant before you repair it again.


JeffDSmith

Reminds me of Soviet T-34s have drain hole in them to flush out whatever last tank crew remain.


SoylentRox

Like how in Fury the armor failed and they lost their coax gunner but the tank survived. So wash out the gore and get another body to sit there. Also they didn't patch the armor so it was weaker in that spot.


dparag14

Yup. It’s definitely going to bend more easily now.


Longjumping-Class-32

True. Otherwise, this is true recycle. If the new owner will know what happend with the car. Then it is very correct.


jensalik

Recycling would mean breaking it down and making something new out of it. This is just repairing. Also, yes, in countries that have 0 laws about traffic safetyy this might be technically correct.


SelectStudy7164

The first R is reduce


soiledclean

Reduce the occupant of the car into pink mist?


BvtterFvcker96

This. Also, I'm leaving this here because the fuckwit who argued about how this car was safe in the crosspost deleted his comment. Copy paste I'd only do this if the vehicle is a cherished memory. Imagine a deceased relative who gave you this car and some drunk prick totals it for no other reason than he was fucking drunk. I'd pay all I can to recover a memory like that. But to drive it again? Fuck no.


DiddlyDumb

With the way that boot is lined up, there’s no way the next buyer won’t at least expect damage


TheTense

I dunno, man. It’s a Peugeot, probably about as safe as it was when it left the factory. Haha You guys aren’t wrong but in all seriousness, Rear end crash testing isn’t nearly as heavily tested as front and side crash testing because it’s much less common in real life. It’s also FWD so the entire driveline and important bits of the car are probably fine. The odds of a rear end collision are small. The odds of a rear collision strong enough to push into the passenger cell are even less so, and the odds of me having people in the rear seat are like 1/100. Trunk forwards it’s honestly fine. If there’s a spot to wreck, the truck is the place to hit: the most sacrificial part of the car. I’d drive it again if it were my car and I didn’t live in a rust prone area.


milefool

A little bit more afraid buying second-hand cars.


ztomiczombie

If you live in a somewhere like the EU or North America any car built after the 1980s will have a paper trail that make this sort of "repair" all but impossible to pass off. If you want to buy a classic there are ways using sound and magnets to tell if this sort of nonsense was done to an older car.


GenXDad76

Not true. My stepdad was a collision tech who spent 30 years redoing “builders”. You only end up with a salvage title if the car was ever totaled by an insurance company. He bought a lot of cars that came from rental companies, because they are all self-insured and when they have a car get wrecked they just send it off to auction. So you can buy it, fix it, and sell it with a clean title.


GnarlyButtcrackHair

Not to mention the relative ease of title washing. Oh, this was a car on a dealer's lot sold to another car dealer across state lines? Have a new title!


TheReaIOG

Salvage title - rebuilt - Montana - clean title!


monodeldiablo

Absolutely untrue. We were sold a second-hand car with a clean title that, a couple of years later, our mechanic discovered had multiple VINs and mismatched parts all over the drive train. Then, fairly recently, a family member was in a bad accident and totaled her car. The "repair" vultures were sending us bids for the frame within the week, and the insurance company even authorized the sale. We subsequently learned that there's a brisk trade in "repairing" cars in this way in Bosnia and then falsifying their EU documentation so they can be re-sold to unwitting buyers like us.


Terrible-Big5535

Bullshit, there is a lot of newer cars in Eastern Europe/Baltics which have been repaired in a such way 😂 and still on the public roads.


Debaser626

I had a 2010 car that was strangely not totaled by the insurance company. Granted it was almost new when I wrecked it, (bought in 2011 and wrecked in 2012), but the paperwork from the body shop had the repair at $28,000 which was around the value of the car. I had gotten T-boned at an intersection by a police car (I was legitimately “at-fault”) and went sideways across a curbed, grass median. Somehow the car didn’t roll, but 3 out of 4 wheels got ripped off the car, all the airbags in the front deployed, and it slid across the median on the frame. I have no idea how it happened, but *none* of that was entered against the VIN nor my personal records. It was on that existing policy record, but for whatever reason was never entered anywhere else. I actually had an insurance rep from the insurer I had at the time basically tell me to cancel my policy and restart it, and the whole thing would vanish. She said if I didn’t, I’d run the risk of it being caught in an audit and back entered later on. I followed their advice, and it all just went away. It was quite the strange occurrence.


Pavian_Zhora

No way it even looks decent up close. If you can see the trunk lid misaligned even in the video, you can imagine how bad it looks irl.


LuigiLasagne

You're right. So no passengers in the trunk anymore!


HYPE_Knight2076

That thing is full of noodles


Unusual_Analysis8849

I mean, sure it's compromised but 0 is way overkill.


spektre

So you're saying that it will not *actually* immediately and completely collapse under its own weight? You might be on to something.


AI-ArtfulInsults

The concept of stress hardening should be taught somewhere in the basic high school science curriculum. People need to know that bending a piece of metal back into shape doesn’t fix it. This is how you get people like Elon Musk suggesting we rebuild the bridge in Baltimore that was struck by a cargo ship by using the steel that’s already there.


Terrh

the concept of auto body repairs is clearly not taught to redditors here. millions upon millions of cars worldwide have been fixed like this, and yes, it does fix it. In an identical rear end collision again, yes, it might perform *very* slightly differently but not substantially so and I sincerely hope you are not regularly carrying passengers in the boot anyways. I'd bet money that the occupant safety for any of the passengers in another rear end collision would be as close to identical as you could figure out a way to test for. It would certainly be still better than the worst car in that class, or compared to a car with substantial but non catastrophic rust, etc.


andrez444

For real people just love to talk about things they don't have any knowledge or experience of. Ive seen worse go through months and months of repairs and be fine afterwards


Crunchycarrots79

In a western country, a repair like this would be done... With one significant difference. The damaged sections of the rails under the trunk floor would be cut out at the nearest joint and replaced. Those are the load bearing members. The trunk floor is mostly cosmetic and any rigidity it has is actually provided by its connection to the rails. Hell, they might even have replaced the damaged sections of the rails... They also cut out the trunk sill, which is also somewhat load bearing, even though they'd mostly straightened it while straightening the body (you don't cut it out right away because it serves as a place to attach the pulling equipment as well as a guide for how much to pull- you do your pulling, then you cut it out and install a replacement. So many people don't understand how unibody repair is done, and seem to think that any damage means the entire thing is scrap.


squanchyricksbff

Posted this above, but I hope you get something out of it: I was a collision tech, and the way they use their torch, along with the damage that was previously done, absolutely compromises the integrity of high strength steel (HSS). You have to be very careful when putting a torch to that kind of metal. The crumple zones will not act as they should, and the metal itself will not absorb impact correctly (or at all). By using the torch, they ruined the metal. If someone has a serious crash in that, they are dead. Every person I know in the collision repair business would consider this murder. Our first question is, "What if children are in the back seats during a serious collision?" Look up I-CAR for more information if this interests you. Also, that car will not drive correctly until they pull many parts of the frame, and properly align it. Far less damaging accidents can require such a repair, and I have never seen a repair on such a compromised frame. And I agree, many cars are repaired this way around the world, but they are death cages.


JimiDarkMoon

You don't understand, he's boomer from the Canadian equivalent of Florida; Windsor. Because he buys old crap, he clearly knows more than someone who's educated and works in the field of their chosen profession.


leeeeny

Tbf it was probably close to 0 before the crash


LiveMotivation

Profit margins = 1000% +


IAmNotMyName

Metal remembers


Technical-Title-5416

That whole area is a crumple zone. It isn't supposed to have much rigidity. You would die of WTF! if you spent some time in a body shop.


DeNO19961996

It’s like puffing up a crushed water bottle. Sure it looks like it used to, but it’s twice as easier to crush.


kekhouse3002

That put it into perspective way better than anything I could have thought of


StonedBooty

The process is actually called plastic deformation when metal/item is bend farther than intended. Even if it’s repaired, it is much weaker than normal due to stretched molecular bonds


Deltwit

How does one bring back the integrity of the plastic?


StonedBooty

You can’t, bonds have been broken and cannot be undone


Xormak

bonds have been broken, the mending unspoken, it's even forgotten its weld ...


Malinnus

I dont know the season, or what is the reason im standing here holding my shaaaape!


Skidrrow

You can, by applying TT( Thermal Treatment ) in controlled conditions. This is not the case for this scenario ( automotive ) but in other industries after different processes , the metal is sent to treatment to repair the molecular structure. Source : oil & gas equipment design engineer.


Dodoxtreme

Thermoplast, heat it. Metal, heat it (longer).


RezaSeed

Safest car in iran


miras9069

For sure😁 but the reparing part was legit


ThisIsYourMormont

The driver: “I wish Iran”


cwx149

I'm pretty sure they drove


SoupCanVaultboy

RIP to the new owners


read_eng_lift

Only if they get into an accident, or go too fast, or stop suddenly.


finicky88

Imagine stopping suddenly and the rear of your car just fucking collapses into itself 😭


addandsubtract

I mean, it's just the trunk. I'd be a lot more worried if it was the front or the side.


surgycal

This is most of the 'no accidents' cars on sale


Lil_Shorto

That blowtorch they use at the beginning is doing nothing at all.


ctesibius

You mean the blowtorch they are waving over the spare tyre?


Danny_Mc_71

Nothing at all


TemperatureFluid3447

Stupid sexy blowtorch


Just_Bid3751

Around 20 years ago Fifth Gear did a crashtest with two identical, secondhand Ford Mondeos. The two cars crashed and the Ford that had a prior crash and was fixed crumbled and did smash the crash test dummy because of the lack of structual integrity after the repair.


Jones641

Fuck it, *uncrumples you crumple zone*


WearyWolff

Confirmed. Peugeot is made of cheese.


wh4tth3huh

That's what keeps the occupants from being turned into gazpacho.


Archangel_Amin

This one is a variant of Peugeot 206 made in Iran and Iranian manufacturers lowered the quality to cut costs. Automobile companies in Iran are very scummy.


dan-the-best

Is that legal? I mean, structurally it is over, next accident might not absorb an impact properly.


[deleted]

Engineer here, you are correct. Maybe you lose 30-50% of the original integrity of pre-crushed portion of the trunk, but there's still a huge section that's left as a crumple zone. There's a chance that the remaining portion ties in with a buffet part of the car making it less effective at absorbing impact, but this should be alright given that by the time the zone reaches that section a majority of the energy would have already been absorbed. Unless it's being crushed between two semi's.... In that case, there is no winning.


IEatBabies

Yes, if you do it right it is more than structurally sound. In the US these cars will often be given a salvage title, which signifies that it has had more than just minor cosmetic damage or part swaps, but is still otherwise completely legal and is more of just a "buyers and insurers be notified of a previous accident" sign.


GnarlyButtcrackHair

> given a salvage title, which signifies that it has had more than just minor cosmetic damage or part swaps Way to understate a salvage title, which signifies that the vehicle has been written off as a total loss by an insurer. Are cars totaled for hail? Yes. Are they totaled for irreparable frame damage? Also yes.


hroaks

Whatever country they are in, they don't have to worry about legal


dannyboy1901

When the labor is cheaper than the part


Worried_Cranberry817

Impressive or not, that cat isn't safe anymore. It's impossible to bring the strength back in material. Once it's crumpled, it will crumple even faster the next time it got hit. The only way you can fix this is to replace complete parts, but that will be hard since it is a unibody.


GotThatDiddlySquat

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Secure_Pomegranate10

Tf did I just watch


LoanDebtCollector

"Does this car make my ass look big?" "Yes, but it gives you a strong jaw line."


GotThatDiddlySquat

Something you’ll also never forget


Never-Dont-Give-Up

Cosmetic 10 Integrity 0


NotRustyShackleford_

Not denying the work, they should be proud! If this was the US, the car would have been a written off. Looking at the lines of the taillights and the truck, I can’t tell if the panel gap is better or worse given it’s a Peugeot.


Heytherhitherehother

Yes it would have been written off in a safer country.


Goldenjho

Its not really a safety concern this technique exist in Germany as well and is even used here but just rarely because it cost more compared to cars worth in most cases so the insurance rather pays for a new car. So such cars get written off because the entire repair is just to expensive I saw it with my own eyes the broken car got delivered, insurance guy came to look at the car and then said cost to much so trash it after 30 minutes. The car can properly drive again when the repair is done correctly with no issues but in today's times is replacing easier compared to repair.


Heytherhitherehother

Cars are meant to crumple. It's not about whether or not it's safe to drive, it's about surviving a second accident in the same location.


Goldenjho

Do you believe especially in Germany would be this kind of repair allowed when its not safe? I don't know how much you know about german laws but let me tell you we are especially in such cases really strict and still is this kind of repair technique allowed her so you can expect it to be safe. The machine you use here to do it is a bit more modern but follows the same principle that they use to repair the car just it really rarely happen here because most insurance would rather pay for a new car. You only see such repairs here for oldtimer cars that can't be replaced so you must pay for the repairs.


Zenith251

> If this was the US, the car would have been a written off. Because the next time it gets rear-ended with the same force that smushed it in the first time, it's going to collapse like a fricken accordion and convert it's occupants into a semi-fluid state.


S-Ewe

A lot of written-off cars in fact end up in Lithuania in similar repair shops. They get their return trip afterwards, to sellers that are more or sadly less transparent with its history...


keplerniko

Greetings from Lithuania, and, yes, the cars do end up here and get fixed. I discovered whilst car shopping that a ton of second hand sellers are flogging US salvage title vehicles--many with the salvage title sitting in the glovebox. A quick VIN check would show you the pre-repair auction pics showing how smashed up the cars were. Labour here is cheap and the mechanics are skilled, but as many have said--the structural integrity may not be there if you get in (another) accident. We went for a dealership car that appeared to have always been in Lithuania, and we've seen nothing to indicate it was properly wrecked. But I would bet that 30-50% of the cars on the road here (and 90% of those with the US-shape EU licence plate) have been written off and then shipped here for repairs. Also: I used to process Customs clearance in the US for Klaipeda-bound wrecked cars about 15 years ago.


Ok_Efficiency_3416

Yes it would of been written off, but later sold as a blue/salvage title. Still drivable.


MadMaxAtax

The next owner has no clue...


cmtw91

Surely the structural integrity is still just as fucked though?


Delta-Fox-1

Ah! They've made a death trap...


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mcar1227

Im sure you can make it look good but there’s no way it would absorb impact the same way a second time.


crooked_nose_

Stop contradicting all the Reddit experts!


Technical-Title-5416

Thanks for this. People here have no idea what they're talking about and have obviously never set foot in a collision repair shop.


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sp2432Reddit

Can't fault the craftsmanship, but i wouldn't want to be sat in it in another accident.


The_One_More

They decrumpled the zone


MaximumGlum9503

Christine


SabotMuse

All that work just for someone to have to live with a Peugeot 😔


lee-galizit

All that work for a $3 car.


JiveTalkerFunkyWalkr

I rolled my beetle and it caved in the roof. The body guy said he could fix it a cheaper way by just pulling up the roof, but it might pull the roof or frame apart. It worked just like this. Was half the price and it left a little “character” in the pillars.


SeaMolasses2466

So much effort for a peugeot. Wow.


AdministrativeYam330

Just because you make something somewhat straight again, does not mean that it is repaired. I wish all the Youtubers would understand that. It’s a dangerous precedent to be setting.


TranslateErr0r

It sure is impressive but that does not look safe


myNameIsHopethePony

It's like new sir, it belonged to an old lady


Lanky_Republic_2102

Car Fax report? Says the car’s been compacted, melted, and pulled apart, but only one minor accident … At least it’s not hurricane flood damage they are hiding.


MrNightmare_999

I had my first car repaired this way after I slid backwards down a hill into a boulder. It's completely safe and legal as long as the frame rails are not bent.


itsmemarke

Hi, my name is Mat Armstrong and I bought the cheapest crash-damaged Peugeot 207


The_woman_in_me

In mint condition. Always babied. Never abused. I know what I got, so don’t waste your time low balling me.


susenka90

Car with mending on it


PairOfRussels

The next person to rear end that is going to tunnel right through.


Ok-Seaworthiness4488

Surprised the spare didn't catch fire


Solid_Ingenuity_6081

Crab walk skill unlocked


Icy_Elf_of_frost

Car fax will report it as being in a minor accident


StonedBooty

Metal plasticly deformed, so this is gives the impression that it’s fixed when it is not. Next hit will obliterate the car and seriously injure the occupants


DragonflyLonely3662

Show me


iksmurG

If a bug hits the rear panel that entire car will be smashed back in. That shit is not an impressive repair at all….


jeffreybrown93

No, no it's not. It might look ok, but next time that vehicle is in an accident the passengers will be at risk because the integrity of the rear end structure is compromised. There is no way the high strength steel rear unibody rails aren't damaged from this hit and they've certainly not been fixed just by pulling the vehicle back to shape. Even by heating up the mild steel the technician is work hardening the components of the vehicle that are meant to absorb energy. Instead of doing their job next time, they will be more brittle and won't respond how they were designed to.


t3gust4

its only impressive if u didnt know this was common pratice at body shops


guarax

“On sale”… car dealer: “great car, the owner was an old lady that kept it in the garage all the time” ..


ArcaneSparky

All this for a Peugeot


DarkLordofTheDarth

Repair probably costs more than the car is worth. At least mine would 😞 I guess I'm just projecting, sorry 😞


AverageElaMain

Wow, this entire thread thinks they know better than professional body workers that clearly have a lot of experience. Your crumble zone is, in fact, designed to crumble. The sheet metal on your car isn't designed to support 3 tons of weight. The blow torch is there to make sure the metal stays flexible. Less force is required to bend hot metal than cold metal. My father worked at a paint and body shop for years, and I've repaired several cars with him.


Kriegan

You can fix just about anything if you have enough time and patience.


jruuhzhal

The fuck? Is that a berline 206?


killed-man

Almost. It's the Persian version. It's absolutely trash compared to the original one.


MAlgol

Alright. i don't know.. but how can that flame have any effect on the metal when the paint is not effected at all? Not even soot.


PenguinGamer99

Well for one, the flame actually has to be somewhere *near* the thing they are trying to heat up


MAlgol

Yeah, it was more of a question how they did all that work without actually doing the right thing. They didn't even remove the spare wheel before "heating" and doing the metal work. Amazing!


MurasakiGames

you can wreck this car completely by reversing into a fly now.


theOpposites

Typical Peugeot 206


k33perStay3r64

brand new,! a little geometry fault but barely noticeable


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PirateEyez

Damn, all that work and it's still a Peugeot.....


makaveddie

"slightly used" on Facebook marketplace


AdGroundbreaking1923

Might as well be made out balsa wood.. next tap it gets that’s it… finished. Car should’ve been scrapped and insurance paid out!


EitherChannel4874

When you brake too hard and the back of the car disintegrates.


Randomcare

Also, oshaaaaaaa


Freyaser

No sabía que Camilo tenía taller de laminado.


LordArtichoke3

Hi, name of the song please


hroaks

Whoopty by always April. This is a tik tok remix


Spiritual-Coach-6355

All that for a flipping Peugeot 🤣


TacoDuLing

Meanwhile…. The cyburptruck 🫤


Xerio_the_Herio

Wow... that's scary


Emulocks

Bondo and paint make it what it ain't.


LinceDorado

The german TÜV would literally hunt you down.


whatamassivecunt

Episode Two is him selling it as a female owner on Facebook marketplace


donPepinno

Ofcourse its a peugeot


Drakann

scary when you buy a second hand car


Eburon8

Reminds me of the ad they ran for that car, where the kid'd crash his old car into the wall and used an elephant to smash his old car into the shape of a 206.


Ron_Bird

forget the metal, wtf is this paint


ProtectionContent977

Repair?


ClockwerkConjurer

I was confused that they left the spare tire in place while working over the metal with the blow torch. Wouldn't there be risk to the tire?


HDauthentic

I promise at least one of those rear frame pieces is still buckled under that floor


Zestyclose_Fan_7931

Death trap


HumaDracobane

The chasis is probably damaged and that is way more important than the aesthetics.


TranquilEngineer

What plastic deformation?


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-Konkey_Dong

So that's what a bumper stretcher looks like


Ok-Town-6213

Cat C


bobspuds

The shut lines are perfect on the rear door and bootlid, doesn't look like a cut and shut at all!


Vulture_valenti

Far cry games be like


Fandango_Jones

Of course it's iran xD


dorafatehi

'Sanam re' has made it international


DismalPassenger4069

Sure, Just heat your paint with a torch, flame the spare as well for good measure and bam! Good to go.


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Flyingtoilet720

What


mixingnuts

Flamethrower right next to tire!?


[deleted]

Just get a new car at that point


Mysterious_Match_

Clean Car Fax 🤣


Silveravin

That is super unsafe. Shame.


boonsonthegrind

Hahaha all that time on a fucking Corolla


_0x0_

At least if you get rear ended you can just blame the car in the back.. who was going 5mph and just tapped you on the back at red light and now suddenly your trunk is in your backseat.. Is this like a bait car?


LksMeLaPelas

Haha so fake!!


Lucigirl4ever

death trap.


CypherGreen

No no no no.... That's not safe in the slightest now. Out of curiosity I've seen so many things where people in the US (I know this video is probably elsewhere) are driving cars that look like they're falling apart. I know there's a few laws about headlights etc in the US but do you have anything like an MOT or yearly test of your car proving it's road-legal and safe? Or is it a state by state thing?


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Seems like a complete waste of time/money. The frame undoubtedly has damage after that kind of crash.


[deleted]

When labour costs are this low, it is worth doing I guess. Try doing that in the UK and it would just be cheaper to scrap it and get another car.


fsurfer4

Cool, he used the spare tire as a pressure point 0:21 This looks like a Peugeot 206 SD in the middle east somewhere. According to wiki, 8.4 million of these were made, including all variations all over the world.


S_n_o_wL_e_o_p_a_r_d

Well done


jdoon5261

And illegal as hell in the US.


allocationlist

The crumple sections crumpled? Well uncrumple them. I SAID UNCRUMPLE THEM.


Different-Rub-499

Is this what they do to auction cars that were totaled?


monkeypan

That metal is f'd. Will have lost the mechanical properties designed for that section of the car. The next hit will end much worse... assuming one big bump isn't enough to make it all fall off one day. Source: aluminum metallurgical engineer


mtheory007

Gonna need Carfax for this one.


Easy-Money69

why didn’t they just use ramen?


Terrible_Educator_53

It’s great