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Depends on the class. English, maybe ya. But if it's a science course, there's a good chance they actually hate teaching and only teach because it's a requirement. A lot of professors in science are there to do research and teaching is a chore to them. But in those cases, if it's a large class, they won't notice or care if someone sits in.
I had two physics teachers in college. The first was an asshole who taught a 101 course like it was a doctorate program and the other who constantly did silly demonstrations and giggled a lot. Failed with the first guy excelled with the second.
Ya... a lot of the instructors that are forced to teach courses are actually just fucking miserable assholes who suck at teaching. I say that as someone who is finishing up his PhD specifically so I can teach. Research just leaves people miserable and hollowed out.
It’s true. My buddy did coding all throughout high school, got accepted into the university of Alabama and bailed before the first semester ended because he was getting job offers for 100k plus. I don’t know if it’s still viable because the market is more saturated, wild either way though.
Yeah he's probably fine. I'm self taught too, degree unrelated to software
Edit: degree is in math. I update legacy commercial software. Nothing really that important, definitely not using anything I learned for my degree.
If not software, which field? Please don't say engineering.
Edit: If engineering, please let it be on the software side. As long as it's not bridge I drive on, but a database I query on, I'm good.
Lol yeah. I'm a high-school dropout. I'm the regional manager at my company and data science is how I got there. For computer science related shit, unless you're working on really high level shit, the degree is bullshit. Smoking weed and fucking around on my PC from the Napster age has worked for me. Thank God my insomnia eventually paid off.
Edit: Smoked weed, had a typos. Said weed caused me to revisit my post, (hopefully fixed typos), fin.
No bullshit. Couldn't tell you what the fastest was. The first language I learned was python. For data science, you're better off familiarizing yourself Excel and its formulas. From there take it a step further with python and VBA. Once you're dealing with a database, it's easy as shit. Unless you're formatting the data and engineering the database.
Can't wait for the replies on thus one!
the problem with this is, if a company says oh yeah, drop out, we dont care, i would be highly skeptical, if i was you friend i would take them up on an offer but say hey ill work in between classes or certain days / hours. No company could deny that if they do. they have zero of your interest or wellbeing in mind.
If you get a $100k offer before graduation you take it immediately wtf? You can always go back to school. You can't just "go get" a $100k position fresh out of school, degree or not.
The degree can be valuable later on, though. For example, most major corporations have a policy to refuse promotions above a certain level unless you have a degree (which explains the popularity of MBAs...) Also, if you have similar candidates I feel much more comfortable hiring a person who I can be relatively certain knows the theory as well.
You also pay for access to the class resources and for someone to grade your work and provide feedback. What this person is doing is something called "auditing the course". It's hardly an unknown concept.
Yeah I never assumed Harvard’s education was that much better. But if you wanna go to grad/law school or do something where your degree’s prestige is important, that’s when Harvard’s name really shows its use
W.E.B. Du Bois got his PhD in 1985. Edwin Howard got a degree in 1869.
These men could say "I may be black, but I got a degree from Harvard".
Thanks to DEI, Harvard **changed the score system** to make it easier for African Americans. They also made it *harder* for Asian Americans.
Now people say "You may be a Harvard graduate, but you're black - so your degree is less".
Tell me you don’t understand admissions without telling me you don’t understand admissions. For that matter, you clearly don’t understand any of the basics of systemic racism.
Tell me you don't understand that holding people to different standards is racism, without... never mind. If it's done in the name of DEI, it must be good, right?
Right?
Please tell me more about how racist it is to acknowledge the historical racism against black people. Make sure you touch on things like slavery, the GI Bill, Redlining and desegregation before jumping into some modern Drug War and gentrification.
Looking forward to learning some lessons since it’s clearly so easy for you to understand.
So, it's OK if **you** do it because (reasons).
Ignore the fact that the moral "high" you feel, was once used to justify the atrocities you listed.
If you behave the same way as the racists, you perpetuate racism. In this particular case, you are advocating a "second class" Harvard degree.
Kind of like that when starting a career. None has been asking about my education for decades though, even when working closely with CEOs. COOs, CFOs, Boards etc. If one can get into a job with skills learned from the ways that the person here is describing then one can prosper in that business with results shown while working there.
Partly. But its also the connections you make. Thats the real pay gate keep. Your roommates and friends you make have rich parents that probably either run their own business, have really good connections, or have extra funds to help finance you and your friends businesses.
Same for some of your professors. After all they taught other people that are now most likely in high positions.
Its also why people join fraternities. Its a form of nepotism without having to be related.
You absolutely do, to some point. It’s most obvious when talking about stuff like engineering (which is why many engineering companies only accept graduates from some colleges but not others), but it’s also true in other fields. That doesn’t meant there aren’t great teachers in less known programs or bad teachers in famous universities.
The more advanced the field, the more obvious it becomes. Once we talk about PhD and post-PhD, then the big universities offer a level of expertise that simply doesn’t exist elsewhere. Sometimes the entire field of study doesn’t exist in lesser known universities.
Without being a student finding the timetables will be near impossible, so actually knowing what classes are being held and when is the main struggle. Unless you have a friend who goes and you just tag along to all the classes you're not going to get very far. It's by no means a replacement to enrolling, even just from an educational standpoint, because you will not be able to go to all the classes. That being said, even attending a handful of lectures of week at a top tier school will give you an insight that is irreplaceable, especially if you're ballsy enough to ask questions.
Totally, I hate that we gotta pay for everything. Free? I need the internet to get onto their website. I need a computer to get on the internet. I need a house to put that computer in. I need energy and rest so that I can use it to actually learn from those courses. Man, Havard should be paying me those scammers.
Like, I even have to use my own lungs and muscles to draw breath into my chest. What a fuckin' scam.
At many schools (University of Washington is one) this can cost thousands of dollars, yes, just to sit in a seat and not turn in any of the assignments or get any feedback on your comprehension.
Edit: I suspect part of the reason is that 20+ yrs ago it used to be a life hack. You could get a student ID for auditing and that gave you access to all of the student facilities. If you haven't been to college, some of their facilities are amazingly good.
When I was in college, a guy I sat next to was auditing a class. It cost him $50 per class. He was in his late 20s. I asked him why he was auditing. He had graduated a few years prior. He said the main reason is it kept his student ID active. Not only could he access the gym on campus, he mainly did it because he could then get student discounts all over town. Even his bank provided student benefits. He paid $100/year to save thousands.
He would also talk with the professor and ask them expectations for auditing. They always said there were no expectations. He would then ditch the rest of the semester if he didn’t find the subject interesting.
If I lived in a college town, I’d probably try this if the numbers worked out.
Where I went there wasn't a fee. It was polite to ask the prof for their permission, but that was it. (But they wouldn't necessarily grade your work, though some did.)
Of course different universities may do it differently.
Where you WENT, meaning you were a student, right? I don’t know of schools that allow the general public to attend four years of classes without paying anything.
Yeah. At the college I worked at this was called "unofficially auditing"
Auditing itself had a few, like $30, and you could only audit two classes per semester.
No actually no, auditing a class still costs money, it goes on the students transcript it’s just billed different and the grade mode gets changed. What you are talking about is vagabonding.
It totally depends on the university.
My Alma mater did not require any fees, only that you register as a auditing student, meaning you can’t also take courses for credit
The University at which my Medical school was a part of charged a $50 fee for anyone, including the public or enrolled students, to audit a course
The University I’m currently at allows anyone 18-26 or 65+ to audit for free, and anyone else has to pay a $125 fee. My gf teaches at a community college that allows free audits for any 100 or 200 level classes, and no auditing past that
Ooooof that's a lot of damage.
Also, getting feedback and specific help based on your current understanding isn't free. Teaching also has a social component.
that is for sure - i would never ask about a persons college - i could care less. its just that HR wont give them to me to talk to unless they have a degree. but yeah if they lie.. and can do the job.. it doesn't effect me or the clients at all.
i am honestly all for it - devaluing college degrees is the first step to eliminating this job hurdle and bringing the cost of education down for everyone
For real. Jobs like yours should just be a test in person and if they pass they get an interview. Cuz they still need to be a person you can trust and work with.
Kinda sometimes. If the company has an HR department they likely use a service that verifies students actually attended schools. I looked into this before. You *can* by forged documents of course and there was a “company” in India that was starting a gang of online colleges that let the students skip through lessons really fast to get the diploma quicker but they are scammers and the colleges are basically shell companies that are copy pasted with a different name after getting found out.
To get into IT or software, you don’t really need a degree. They want experience and a passion for the field over a degree.
I got into a sys admin position at a public school without a degree, and I was mostly self taught and I earned certifications on coursera.
They get into this question later on in the video (it's Graham Stephen interviewing Micheal Reeves). He responds my stating that more companies are wising up to select candidates by what they can do. For example if the job is to create an app, you just create one by yourself and put it on your resume. This would apply mostly to software only though.
Maybe for some degrees, good luck working in any of the hard sciences without any knowledge learned from your bachelors. Also that degree is proof you have at least a little work ethic
I interviewed a programmer with a degree in history, a dB admin with a degree in philosophy.. it often doesn't matter what the degree is in, just that you have it.
Many places won't even talk to you without a degree. It's not fair, but it's the price of admission
I got sick and had to drop out of college (Ehlers Danlos). While I was getting diagnosed (took 8 years) I studied code and then used that to support seeing a geneticist who diagnosed me last Sept.
But it doesn't matter how much python or C# I know (or even if I can do the interview questions), they only will talk to me if I have a degree.
It's literally, "Nuckyduck, we don't care if you can answer the leetcode questions, or if you know numpy/scipy/(insert python package here), you don't have a degree, so we can't offer you a position."
I've been trying to go back to college but the accessibilities department says my accommodations are *unreasonable* and that no professor is going to follow them (and they're not obligated to).
This is all just to reinforce your point. I'm not even suggesting I *am* good enough to get hired (I'm likely not) but even if I was, I can't get my foot in the door anyway and its likely never going to happen.
Maybe next life my COL1A2 gene will work properly.
I wish it wasn't the case. I know for sure we miss good people, tons of neuro atypical persons are amazing coders and such but school was a bad fit for them. Not withstanding those with illness or family issues, money... I know we miss a lot
You’re missing my point. I’m not saying you can’t work anywhere outside your field, what I’m saying some jobs require a very narrow expertise and a degree is 100% necessary to understand the fundamental of the field. You won’t get a job as an engineer, nurse, biochemical technician, or microbiologist if you don’t have the specific credentials. Meanwhile jobs not in the hard sciences like what you’re describing could have a more flexibility but for whatever reason many employers decide to put up unnecessary barriers like degrees to jobs that really don’t need them
University of Toronto is extremely easy to audit 1st-2nd year courses. More niche upper year courses you may get professors who ask you who you are etc. and then you could face the "no auditors" rule a lot of them have
People pointing out that you're paying for the diploma, but there is more to it than that. There's the discipline to be able to turn your assignments in on time. There's the demonstration that you can manage your stress well enough to test. There's the invaluable learning from having your homework graded- feedback and the coupling of the lessons with the driving force that you've revisited it, figured it out, and put that to problems.
For some, there's great value in asking questions, discussion, and office hours. Others benefit from the group and social learning. And in graduate school, there's a lot of hands-on research, interaction with professors and peers, oral exams demonstrating a capacity for explaining and processing live, publishing and networking, and picking up the work of others- perhaps students from the same research group- and continuing where they left off as you dive into your own research.
The class and textbook might be the core tools, but learning doesn't generally happen that well through the osmosis of attendance alone.
I can't believe how far I had to scroll for this. You get it. It's sad reading what these dummies comment. It's the same lot that says, "well Bill Gates didn't go to college" lol.
I think people are often insecure of what they haven't achieved, and when they see their lack of achievements presented as manageable and worthwhile they hunt for reasons to explain away why people perceived as inferior to them were able to succeed.
It's the classic "fox and the grapes". I did full-time work and full-time school, so I get particularly defensive when people say it's not feasible. It was hard as shit, but life is hard and I wanted to be in a better spot.
You pay for the certificate, so you stand out in the crowd. Platforms like Coursera made this business model crystal clear, but actually this is the business model of basically every private college.
Yeah even as someone who has given some lectures and taught as a TA for many years I think lectures are antiquated in many ways because as long as the content is posted it’s all you need. And I think that’s even more evident now more than ever when professors don’t post the slides and require you to attend…it’s like paywalling the info because they realize they aren’t necessary
>Classes are too big most of the time to raise suspicion. Your just a human in the crowd they don’t know you
In the university I went to, you could absolutely get away with it for gen eds. But anything in a major was smaller class sizes and you'd get called out on it right away. Since it wasn't free to audit a class, you'd get removed.
Definitely don't need to be sneaky. Literally anyone can do this. Of course you don't get the credits, 99% sure, but you can totally get free education. The only thing you're paying for is that piece of paper. A recipt that basically proves that you attended.
Yeah I was dating a psych major at Clemson university back in like 2005-2009 and her professors were awesome. They let me sit in on almost all of her classes and one even let me test lol means nothing without the paper diploma but I audited an entire BS in Psych with a minor in sociology.
Right I love people acting like this is just some kid. He used his knowledge to gain 7 million+ subs on YouTube doing crazy programming shit. Yes college is for a diploma for most people but he’s not just interviewing some random dude
He’s not auditing tho, he’s just sneaking it. Auditing a course is an official process students need to request for and it’s gets added on their transcript.
In my younger days i would do this, admittedly only when i didnt have a job but still. I didnt even know anyone from these schools, but i met a lot of girls
Idk how I feel about this dude.
I remember seeing him with his gf at some point after they started going out and people were happy because his previous gf wasn't nice to him. Saw him over the years open up to be a clever nerd who built cool electronics.
Looked him up last year and it was the same time he and his friends were in Japan buying each other gifts. It was really cool until he started saying he was going to get them addicted to smoking "cause it be funny." I thought he was joking but he really did wind up buying vapes for them and it was really sad to see some of his friends who didn't smoke before get peer pressured to try in real time. They were all adults so its not as bad but still, it made me think this dude treats his friends like actual shit with a smile.
Lost all respect and interest for him after. I'm sure he fits well with certain crowds but that was just something that bothered me.
This just straight up feels like an actual bold faced advert, I'd rather the lads get their content out there through the actual adverts they have on Reddit now, none of this shit c'mon man.
Also, the internet exists and you can learn just about anything for the cost of an internet connection. When I was teaching myself to code in the 90's, I had AOL and shitty search engines. If I can learn C++ from that, you can learn it today with thousands of times more resources at your disposal.
Expensive colleges don't do any better at teaching anyway. The standards for acceptance are high so they don't have to work hard to teach you. The Harvard CS50 course seemed pretty much on part with a community college.
Yeah that was the dream of the early internet and for a moment in time, it was reality. It still is if you’re smart enough to curate the content you consume. Unfortunately the default internet experience is filled with misinformation and censorship. LLMs are even worse with censorship. Furthermore, people put themselves into filter bubbles that (unlike a college experience can) don’t challenge their world view.
Who's giving misinformation and censoring information about programming? You can't give false info about programming. Either your info works or it doesn't.
The only resource I can think of that's even close to what you're saying was W3Schools, but they seem to be better these days.
Not everywhere in Europe. Just like how there are States in the US that are better or worse for students than others. Had to sell my house to fund my European master's degree.
Can confirm. I used to live off of Thayer street on the east side of Providence. Bought a Brown University jacket at the College Hill bookstore, because at 19 I thought it made me look cool (It didn't) But I would randomly sit in on lectures, performances, classes....and was never questioned or asked to show an ID. But this was in 1984....different time.
[https://ocw.mit.edu/](https://ocw.mit.edu/)
Free lecture notes, exams, and videos from MIT. That's how I learned Quantum mechanics. You don't have to *physically* sneak into a top university. Was this guy born before the internet?
This would be very easy to get away with at the university I went to for most classes. Some of the smaller classes had professors that actually took attendance though so that would be a little difficult to get away with.
I used to go to MIT lectures. I would never have attempted to use any of the resources like labs or even taken handouts from the professors but sitting in the lectures was great.
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Did this in high school when I would visit my friends in college. If it’s a lecture hall, it’s so easy to just chill and learn
Most professors would love it. It's not like they charge admission. They like to teach.
Depends on the class. English, maybe ya. But if it's a science course, there's a good chance they actually hate teaching and only teach because it's a requirement. A lot of professors in science are there to do research and teaching is a chore to them. But in those cases, if it's a large class, they won't notice or care if someone sits in.
I had two physics teachers in college. The first was an asshole who taught a 101 course like it was a doctorate program and the other who constantly did silly demonstrations and giggled a lot. Failed with the first guy excelled with the second.
Ya... a lot of the instructors that are forced to teach courses are actually just fucking miserable assholes who suck at teaching. I say that as someone who is finishing up his PhD specifically so I can teach. Research just leaves people miserable and hollowed out.
You don't pay for education. You pay for a diploma and the recognition.
It’s true. My buddy did coding all throughout high school, got accepted into the university of Alabama and bailed before the first semester ended because he was getting job offers for 100k plus. I don’t know if it’s still viable because the market is more saturated, wild either way though.
Yeah he's probably fine. I'm self taught too, degree unrelated to software Edit: degree is in math. I update legacy commercial software. Nothing really that important, definitely not using anything I learned for my degree.
If not software, which field? Please don't say engineering. Edit: If engineering, please let it be on the software side. As long as it's not bridge I drive on, but a database I query on, I'm good.
Wdym? You don’t want self taught engineers building bridges or designing medical devices? 🤣🤣
Those are all programs. Engineers we just look and say "yep, looks good"
Physics shmizics!
Engineers respect physics. Architects, however...
Sus... you an architect?
Yep! That checks out
Hey! I'm a self taught engineer and it's going perfectly fine thank you! I'll have you know I've only killed *three* people so far /s
Tesla employee of the month
He works on aircraft. Most recently contributed to designing the doors on 737 max 9's
Mine was Metrology.
Lol yeah. I'm a high-school dropout. I'm the regional manager at my company and data science is how I got there. For computer science related shit, unless you're working on really high level shit, the degree is bullshit. Smoking weed and fucking around on my PC from the Napster age has worked for me. Thank God my insomnia eventually paid off. Edit: Smoked weed, had a typos. Said weed caused me to revisit my post, (hopefully fixed typos), fin.
What programming languages were the fastest for you to learn and how quickly could you do it?
No bullshit. Couldn't tell you what the fastest was. The first language I learned was python. For data science, you're better off familiarizing yourself Excel and its formulas. From there take it a step further with python and VBA. Once you're dealing with a database, it's easy as shit. Unless you're formatting the data and engineering the database. Can't wait for the replies on thus one!
I used Excel a ton in college but forgot most of it. I did remember loving how easy it made everything in the physics lab though.
Excel is easy as shit. Not sure about the physics lol.
Once you know the fundamentals of coding, learning programming languages is very fast. For me, starting out, Java was very easy.
I feel like someone wi years of proven experience is more desirable to employees than someone with years of courses and no experience
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the problem with this is, if a company says oh yeah, drop out, we dont care, i would be highly skeptical, if i was you friend i would take them up on an offer but say hey ill work in between classes or certain days / hours. No company could deny that if they do. they have zero of your interest or wellbeing in mind.
If you get a $100k offer before graduation you take it immediately wtf? You can always go back to school. You can't just "go get" a $100k position fresh out of school, degree or not.
We don’t get got. We go get.
You strike me as a man of leisure. Have you been to Florida?
Not physically, no.
The degree can be valuable later on, though. For example, most major corporations have a policy to refuse promotions above a certain level unless you have a degree (which explains the popularity of MBAs...) Also, if you have similar candidates I feel much more comfortable hiring a person who I can be relatively certain knows the theory as well.
Tech employment is currently in shambles because of over-hiring during COVID and corporate cost-cutting under the inflation smokescreen.
And proving you learned it (passing exams and being graded)
Tell it to this kid.
He doesn't care, he's a millionaire that just wants to learn more about coding and robotics shit.
You also pay for access to the class resources and for someone to grade your work and provide feedback. What this person is doing is something called "auditing the course". It's hardly an unknown concept.
They charge for auditing a course. He is just crashing the party.
Yeah I never assumed Harvard’s education was that much better. But if you wanna go to grad/law school or do something where your degree’s prestige is important, that’s when Harvard’s name really shows its use
Hold on, the education there IS good. It's the price tag I dislike.
Not so much, these days. DEI has degraded the Harvard reputation.
How so?
W.E.B. Du Bois got his PhD in 1985. Edwin Howard got a degree in 1869. These men could say "I may be black, but I got a degree from Harvard". Thanks to DEI, Harvard **changed the score system** to make it easier for African Americans. They also made it *harder* for Asian Americans. Now people say "You may be a Harvard graduate, but you're black - so your degree is less".
Tell me you don’t understand admissions without telling me you don’t understand admissions. For that matter, you clearly don’t understand any of the basics of systemic racism.
Tell me you don't understand that holding people to different standards is racism, without... never mind. If it's done in the name of DEI, it must be good, right? Right?
Please tell me more about how racist it is to acknowledge the historical racism against black people. Make sure you touch on things like slavery, the GI Bill, Redlining and desegregation before jumping into some modern Drug War and gentrification. Looking forward to learning some lessons since it’s clearly so easy for you to understand.
So, it's OK if **you** do it because (reasons). Ignore the fact that the moral "high" you feel, was once used to justify the atrocities you listed. If you behave the same way as the racists, you perpetuate racism. In this particular case, you are advocating a "second class" Harvard degree.
Eric Weinstein goes into some detail on the latest Modern Wisdom podcast
Not interested in a rando podcast. Why don’t you do us a favor and summarize since you presumably did listen to it.
Kind of like that when starting a career. None has been asking about my education for decades though, even when working closely with CEOs. COOs, CFOs, Boards etc. If one can get into a job with skills learned from the ways that the person here is describing then one can prosper in that business with results shown while working there.
Partly. But its also the connections you make. Thats the real pay gate keep. Your roommates and friends you make have rich parents that probably either run their own business, have really good connections, or have extra funds to help finance you and your friends businesses. Same for some of your professors. After all they taught other people that are now most likely in high positions. Its also why people join fraternities. Its a form of nepotism without having to be related.
And the connections
The education you get from most real universities is the same anyways. You don’t learn “more” at better universities, not really.
You absolutely do, to some point. It’s most obvious when talking about stuff like engineering (which is why many engineering companies only accept graduates from some colleges but not others), but it’s also true in other fields. That doesn’t meant there aren’t great teachers in less known programs or bad teachers in famous universities. The more advanced the field, the more obvious it becomes. Once we talk about PhD and post-PhD, then the big universities offer a level of expertise that simply doesn’t exist elsewhere. Sometimes the entire field of study doesn’t exist in lesser known universities.
Yeah and he’ll be serving fries to your kids on the way to a skiing trip.
You also need a shit ton of free time.
at the right time of the day
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You are forgetting one crucial thing 13 yo boys would be doing using all the time in the world.
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>Well yes but as a 13 year old boy Michael has all the time in the world. How much can a Harvard course cost Michael, Zero dollars?
People work while going to school. This guy says you could do both but not pay for school.
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Without being a student finding the timetables will be near impossible, so actually knowing what classes are being held and when is the main struggle. Unless you have a friend who goes and you just tag along to all the classes you're not going to get very far. It's by no means a replacement to enrolling, even just from an educational standpoint, because you will not be able to go to all the classes. That being said, even attending a handful of lectures of week at a top tier school will give you an insight that is irreplaceable, especially if you're ballsy enough to ask questions.
Ab so fucking lutely. Good luck trying this working 9-5 because you don't live with your parents and have to actually pay for your stuff
Totally, I hate that we gotta pay for everything. Free? I need the internet to get onto their website. I need a computer to get on the internet. I need a house to put that computer in. I need energy and rest so that I can use it to actually learn from those courses. Man, Havard should be paying me those scammers. Like, I even have to use my own lungs and muscles to draw breath into my chest. What a fuckin' scam.
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a lot less than a regular student since you don't need to worry about assessment
…the same amount of time needed if you signed up and paid… But now it’s free and you can leave out the extra classes and have time for a job.
Yeah, it's call auditing a class. Anyone can do it and you (usually) don't need to be sneaky about it.
At many schools (University of Washington is one) this can cost thousands of dollars, yes, just to sit in a seat and not turn in any of the assignments or get any feedback on your comprehension. Edit: I suspect part of the reason is that 20+ yrs ago it used to be a life hack. You could get a student ID for auditing and that gave you access to all of the student facilities. If you haven't been to college, some of their facilities are amazingly good.
When I was in college, a guy I sat next to was auditing a class. It cost him $50 per class. He was in his late 20s. I asked him why he was auditing. He had graduated a few years prior. He said the main reason is it kept his student ID active. Not only could he access the gym on campus, he mainly did it because he could then get student discounts all over town. Even his bank provided student benefits. He paid $100/year to save thousands. He would also talk with the professor and ask them expectations for auditing. They always said there were no expectations. He would then ditch the rest of the semester if he didn’t find the subject interesting. If I lived in a college town, I’d probably try this if the numbers worked out.
My recollection is that there was a fee to audit a class. He is just showing up and sitting in lectures.
Where I went there wasn't a fee. It was polite to ask the prof for their permission, but that was it. (But they wouldn't necessarily grade your work, though some did.) Of course different universities may do it differently.
Where you WENT, meaning you were a student, right? I don’t know of schools that allow the general public to attend four years of classes without paying anything.
No credit for any courses unless you pay the tuition.
You don't pay for education in many countries. Of course, the universities receive money for graduates, but you don't pay.
Many states actually allow senior citizens to audit classes at their public unis for free.
Yeah. At the college I worked at this was called "unofficially auditing" Auditing itself had a few, like $30, and you could only audit two classes per semester.
Truth! I’ve done it a few times
No actually no, auditing a class still costs money, it goes on the students transcript it’s just billed different and the grade mode gets changed. What you are talking about is vagabonding.
It totally depends on the university. My Alma mater did not require any fees, only that you register as a auditing student, meaning you can’t also take courses for credit The University at which my Medical school was a part of charged a $50 fee for anyone, including the public or enrolled students, to audit a course The University I’m currently at allows anyone 18-26 or 65+ to audit for free, and anyone else has to pay a $125 fee. My gf teaches at a community college that allows free audits for any 100 or 200 level classes, and no auditing past that
Very fair. I work at a private university and it’s my only experience but figured was somewhat similar.
Brrp, wrong.
Lol people are so ingrained with paying for education that free knowledge is a foreign concept. Knowledge is free you plebeians
So is tact.
Ooooof that's a lot of damage. Also, getting feedback and specific help based on your current understanding isn't free. Teaching also has a social component.
MIT has a ton of fantastic courseware online for free. [https://ocw.mit.edu/](https://ocw.mit.edu/)
I never knew this before, thanks for sharing!
lad! thank you
Is not about the knowledge, it's about getting the peice of paper that says you spent enough money to get it.
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It's harder without that degree.
Apparently you can just lie about it unless you aren't competent enough. Bosses won't verify unless there's a reason to distrust.
that is for sure - i would never ask about a persons college - i could care less. its just that HR wont give them to me to talk to unless they have a degree. but yeah if they lie.. and can do the job.. it doesn't effect me or the clients at all. i am honestly all for it - devaluing college degrees is the first step to eliminating this job hurdle and bringing the cost of education down for everyone
For real. Jobs like yours should just be a test in person and if they pass they get an interview. Cuz they still need to be a person you can trust and work with.
This may work in a smaller company but most corporations have filters put in place so you can’t lie about having a degree
Kinda sometimes. If the company has an HR department they likely use a service that verifies students actually attended schools. I looked into this before. You *can* by forged documents of course and there was a “company” in India that was starting a gang of online colleges that let the students skip through lessons really fast to get the diploma quicker but they are scammers and the colleges are basically shell companies that are copy pasted with a different name after getting found out.
You need a degree or a portfolio of work. Rarely both. Just so happens to be very documented how to create a portfolio of CS work
To get into IT or software, you don’t really need a degree. They want experience and a passion for the field over a degree. I got into a sys admin position at a public school without a degree, and I was mostly self taught and I earned certifications on coursera.
Do you have a degree?
Yes
yeah most actually important jobs don’t require a degree
They get into this question later on in the video (it's Graham Stephen interviewing Micheal Reeves). He responds my stating that more companies are wising up to select candidates by what they can do. For example if the job is to create an app, you just create one by yourself and put it on your resume. This would apply mostly to software only though.
Maybe for some degrees, good luck working in any of the hard sciences without any knowledge learned from your bachelors. Also that degree is proof you have at least a little work ethic
I interviewed a programmer with a degree in history, a dB admin with a degree in philosophy.. it often doesn't matter what the degree is in, just that you have it. Many places won't even talk to you without a degree. It's not fair, but it's the price of admission
I got sick and had to drop out of college (Ehlers Danlos). While I was getting diagnosed (took 8 years) I studied code and then used that to support seeing a geneticist who diagnosed me last Sept. But it doesn't matter how much python or C# I know (or even if I can do the interview questions), they only will talk to me if I have a degree. It's literally, "Nuckyduck, we don't care if you can answer the leetcode questions, or if you know numpy/scipy/(insert python package here), you don't have a degree, so we can't offer you a position." I've been trying to go back to college but the accessibilities department says my accommodations are *unreasonable* and that no professor is going to follow them (and they're not obligated to). This is all just to reinforce your point. I'm not even suggesting I *am* good enough to get hired (I'm likely not) but even if I was, I can't get my foot in the door anyway and its likely never going to happen. Maybe next life my COL1A2 gene will work properly.
I wish it wasn't the case. I know for sure we miss good people, tons of neuro atypical persons are amazing coders and such but school was a bad fit for them. Not withstanding those with illness or family issues, money... I know we miss a lot
I'm glad you're aware! My hope is with people like you in the mix, maybe that will change someday.
You’re missing my point. I’m not saying you can’t work anywhere outside your field, what I’m saying some jobs require a very narrow expertise and a degree is 100% necessary to understand the fundamental of the field. You won’t get a job as an engineer, nurse, biochemical technician, or microbiologist if you don’t have the specific credentials. Meanwhile jobs not in the hard sciences like what you’re describing could have a more flexibility but for whatever reason many employers decide to put up unnecessary barriers like degrees to jobs that really don’t need them
Especially in the medical field, you can’t legally be a doctor or a nurse without the degree
CS isn't hard science.
The type of kid that does this probably won’t be working for somebody though.
Nailed it
It is about the knowledge. If you didn't have that but the piece of paper what can you do ?
Then you too can learn to code a robot dog to piss beer into a glass.
Or maybe a screaming roomba
Or maybe design an automated system that turns his pet goldfish Frederick into a day trader and earn more than wallstreetbet.
Or an actual surgery machine.
University of Toronto is extremely easy to audit 1st-2nd year courses. More niche upper year courses you may get professors who ask you who you are etc. and then you could face the "no auditors" rule a lot of them have
Sadly, you don't pay for the classes, you pay for the diploma.
If u want to work for someone else. If you want to work for yourself its still useful.
You also pay for the shared experience from instructors. That’s more valuable than most realize
edx.org you can watch the lectures for free from home too
Arebt the tutorial groups and assignment correction/lab work much more useful than the lectures. Usually good lectures have the level of a good book.
People pointing out that you're paying for the diploma, but there is more to it than that. There's the discipline to be able to turn your assignments in on time. There's the demonstration that you can manage your stress well enough to test. There's the invaluable learning from having your homework graded- feedback and the coupling of the lessons with the driving force that you've revisited it, figured it out, and put that to problems. For some, there's great value in asking questions, discussion, and office hours. Others benefit from the group and social learning. And in graduate school, there's a lot of hands-on research, interaction with professors and peers, oral exams demonstrating a capacity for explaining and processing live, publishing and networking, and picking up the work of others- perhaps students from the same research group- and continuing where they left off as you dive into your own research. The class and textbook might be the core tools, but learning doesn't generally happen that well through the osmosis of attendance alone.
I can't believe how far I had to scroll for this. You get it. It's sad reading what these dummies comment. It's the same lot that says, "well Bill Gates didn't go to college" lol.
Anti-intellectualism is a growing plague in America
I think people are often insecure of what they haven't achieved, and when they see their lack of achievements presented as manageable and worthwhile they hunt for reasons to explain away why people perceived as inferior to them were able to succeed. It's the classic "fox and the grapes". I did full-time work and full-time school, so I get particularly defensive when people say it's not feasible. It was hard as shit, but life is hard and I wanted to be in a better spot.
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You pay for the certificate, so you stand out in the crowd. Platforms like Coursera made this business model crystal clear, but actually this is the business model of basically every private college.
Classes are too big most of the time to raise suspicion. Your just a human in the crowd they don’t know you
In my experience you don’t learn much in class in much bigger classes (lecture halls) anyways. They teach right out of the textbook
Yeah even as someone who has given some lectures and taught as a TA for many years I think lectures are antiquated in many ways because as long as the content is posted it’s all you need. And I think that’s even more evident now more than ever when professors don’t post the slides and require you to attend…it’s like paywalling the info because they realize they aren’t necessary
>Classes are too big most of the time to raise suspicion. Your just a human in the crowd they don’t know you In the university I went to, you could absolutely get away with it for gen eds. But anything in a major was smaller class sizes and you'd get called out on it right away. Since it wasn't free to audit a class, you'd get removed.
Yeah in some of my upper 4th year and up courses it dwindled to less than 30 in comparison to 1st year which was 800 in some cases
Definitely don't need to be sneaky. Literally anyone can do this. Of course you don't get the credits, 99% sure, but you can totally get free education. The only thing you're paying for is that piece of paper. A recipt that basically proves that you attended.
Passed your exams.
Yeah I was dating a psych major at Clemson university back in like 2005-2009 and her professors were awesome. They let me sit in on almost all of her classes and one even let me test lol means nothing without the paper diploma but I audited an entire BS in Psych with a minor in sociology.
Love Michael Reeves
Such a Michael Reeves thing to do too. Like the same as him making many fake programming tutoring websites that are just him in the end.
I haven’t been seeing him in years. Does he still do videos? He kinda just dropped off the planet.
He was never consistent with his videos and rarely streams, you can find him by watching any other streamer from OTV and he will probably be there
My boyfriend when I was at Berkeley would Come to class with me and participate.
Kid learned about auditing and thinks he made it up
You gotta understand who Michael Reeves is. The guy is basically a mad scientist.
Right I love people acting like this is just some kid. He used his knowledge to gain 7 million+ subs on YouTube doing crazy programming shit. Yes college is for a diploma for most people but he’s not just interviewing some random dude
what's crazy about the sex beer pissing dog robot ? totally normal dude (?)
Or the sociopathic 3d printer surgery machina
Btw he's 26
He’s not auditing tho, he’s just sneaking it. Auditing a course is an official process students need to request for and it’s gets added on their transcript.
No, he said he breaks into the class. Nobody would say that if they just walk in through the unlocked glass doors. /s
I don't know of any universities where auditing a class is free though
I say make education free only for those who really wants to actually learn something.
In my younger days i would do this, admittedly only when i didnt have a job but still. I didnt even know anyone from these schools, but i met a lot of girls
And you don’t need to do tests or projects either!
Idk how I feel about this dude. I remember seeing him with his gf at some point after they started going out and people were happy because his previous gf wasn't nice to him. Saw him over the years open up to be a clever nerd who built cool electronics. Looked him up last year and it was the same time he and his friends were in Japan buying each other gifts. It was really cool until he started saying he was going to get them addicted to smoking "cause it be funny." I thought he was joking but he really did wind up buying vapes for them and it was really sad to see some of his friends who didn't smoke before get peer pressured to try in real time. They were all adults so its not as bad but still, it made me think this dude treats his friends like actual shit with a smile. Lost all respect and interest for him after. I'm sure he fits well with certain crowds but that was just something that bothered me.
So basically, it's just the diploma that isn't free
Everyone knows this. But you pay for the diploma, not the education.
Anyone know if they patched this?
And here i thought large scale lectures decreased in popularity because they were ineffective teaching methods... $$$
And then we have people who pay for the diploma but instead attends more parties than classes
This just straight up feels like an actual bold faced advert, I'd rather the lads get their content out there through the actual adverts they have on Reddit now, none of this shit c'mon man.
This is a hint that what Harvard is selling isn't education, it's credentials.
Also, the internet exists and you can learn just about anything for the cost of an internet connection. When I was teaching myself to code in the 90's, I had AOL and shitty search engines. If I can learn C++ from that, you can learn it today with thousands of times more resources at your disposal. Expensive colleges don't do any better at teaching anyway. The standards for acceptance are high so they don't have to work hard to teach you. The Harvard CS50 course seemed pretty much on part with a community college.
Yeah that was the dream of the early internet and for a moment in time, it was reality. It still is if you’re smart enough to curate the content you consume. Unfortunately the default internet experience is filled with misinformation and censorship. LLMs are even worse with censorship. Furthermore, people put themselves into filter bubbles that (unlike a college experience can) don’t challenge their world view.
Who's giving misinformation and censoring information about programming? You can't give false info about programming. Either your info works or it doesn't. The only resource I can think of that's even close to what you're saying was W3Schools, but they seem to be better these days.
in europe classes are public for everyone ;)
Not everywhere in Europe. Just like how there are States in the US that are better or worse for students than others. Had to sell my house to fund my European master's degree.
UK is not europe
It is, you're just choosing to be wrong for political points. Said to a Brexiteer, it might make sense but in this context, you're just being stupid.
Sorry, but I just simply don't count UK as part of Europe anymore.
Well thank you for sharing your, um, opinion on the matter. I will make sure to give it every ounce of consideration that it deserves.
Can confirm. I used to live off of Thayer street on the east side of Providence. Bought a Brown University jacket at the College Hill bookstore, because at 19 I thought it made me look cool (It didn't) But I would randomly sit in on lectures, performances, classes....and was never questioned or asked to show an ID. But this was in 1984....different time.
Used to live off hope st my friend 🙂
>Great neighborhood... huge apartments. Well at the time anyway...I don't think anyone could afford them now on a regular pay. Cheers!
If you just want to code, going to a University is just a waste of time
[https://ocw.mit.edu/](https://ocw.mit.edu/) Free lecture notes, exams, and videos from MIT. That's how I learned Quantum mechanics. You don't have to *physically* sneak into a top university. Was this guy born before the internet?
> Was this guy born before the internet? No? He points out that the classes are online. He just also enjoys attending in person.
But what if im stupid :(
I don’t understand how this is posted every 12 hours in the same sub
Going into a lecture like that isn't wild. It's called auditing.
This kid is going places
he already went places
And hes also a 26 year old man
This kid is woke
wtf does that mean? he is michael reeves and you don’t fuck with him, ok?
This would be very easy to get away with at the university I went to for most classes. Some of the smaller classes had professors that actually took attendance though so that would be a little difficult to get away with.
It's been this way for years, at least, 35 as far as I know. The only thing you are paying for is the paper at the end.
Haha no exams! Winner!!🏆
I used to go to MIT lectures. I would never have attempted to use any of the resources like labs or even taken handouts from the professors but sitting in the lectures was great.