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Please watch the full video. It’s on Red Bulls YouTube channel. The drone’s development team did a run on a dry track on a testday where Liam Lawson (it’s Max Verstappen in this video) did a run and it kept up really well!
This is from a Redbull video and their goal was to film the car across the whole lap, not to race it as the post suggests.
This lap they were filming Verstappen, but they also did a lap following Lawson on a dry track.
An f1 car needs to stay on the road. You can see the drone overshooting at around 1:40. The strength of a f1 car isn't just top speed (indicar, motogp and wec hit similar or higher speeds), it's high braking force and high cornering speed, both are significantly reduced in the wet.
But still, it's impressive how this drone keeps up with relative ease.
F1 cars can hit up to 7G in both braking and cornering while they're regularly hitting 3-5G, especially in qualifying. Nothing comes even close to that level of performance under braking and in corners, wet or dry.
You can't infer too much from the video itself as the drone had to stay behind the car. The top speed of the fastest drones(~250MPH) is faster than F1 cars(~220) but I'm not sure exactly what model of drone is used here so 🤷. I wouldn't bet more than $20.
Maybe, if it has more juice in it than this, but understand that this F1 car is NOT going at full tilt.
1. It's wet (they are seconds/lap slower in the wet)
2. Its battery is charging (flashing rear red lights). They are much faster when the battery is being deployed.
3. F1 cars are very, very expensive, so they are probably running on a conservative tune (not like the qualifying tune where the engine it turned up even beyond the racing tune). Also, the driver is most likely NOT pushing. Redbull does these exhibition PR type things periodically.
Yea... I thought of that possibility, too. That's why I don't take it too seriously. It's a 'for fun' thing.
Also, I wouldn't focus too much on the F1's top speed nor (especially) it's 0-60. This car can hit 230 mph just from adjusting the wings and nothing else. I.e., its top speed is 'blurry'. The F1 car with the highest top speed in a given race often times doesn't even finish on the podium.
0-60 is useless in F1 and pretty much any other circuit racing, except for its TINY contribution to getting to 'corner 1'. We probably only know about this from other 'for fun' comparisons with street cars, where 0-60 is a standard test. 60-200 is much more relevant and especially corner speed.
Interesting, I guess at that speed even the air pressure on that given day can have a notable impact on speed. Ultimately it'd come down to pilot skill regardless.
I thought you'd appreciate knowing that Carwow just drag raced that drone against an F1 and Tesla Plaid. It easily beat them both. It was wet, but at 7 seconds, dry wouldn't have made a difference.
As much as Uncle Sam gets from all these taxes, everybody and their momma should have access to bologna sandwiches. The people at the top gotta do better with managing our money.
You could have more than one drone and more than one battery. Swap drones/feeds after every 2-3 laps and replace the batteries on the waiting drones while its out there.
What about track hazard if any of these drop down for whatever reason? It would create artificial yellow flags, maybe even vsc, and in worst case risk a driver running into it before it hits the ground. At those speeds, it's simply not safe.
I'm sure they could allocate ~5% of the battery as unusable for recording so that the drone isn't gonna fall out of the sky due to battery depletion. Upon reaching that point it'll stop recording and land safely
I know hobbyist drones already have functions to fly back to set spots if the signal is lost, they could easily tweak it to do the same with these with battery levels
Short of the drone getting obliterated by a bird or something, I don't see how it'd be major risk. And this is F1, I've seen those clips of animals on track and it can get a lot more unsafe than that
>Short of the drone getting bliterated by a bird or something
Funny you should say that, as the first run, following Max, the drone got hit by something, i'm guessing a pebble kicked up from the wheels.
But other than that this would be a great addition to F1 broadcasts. Actual action cams would greatly increase the watchableness of the sport, even if just for a few laps per race. They already have helmet cam laps, so why not this?
No actually, you can see rxloss on the Betaflight OSD, they lost signal from the controller. From analysis of the module on their controller it seems to be crossfire, which is interesting because ExpressLRS might have kept signal much better in these conditions.
They're called barriers and fences, yes you can control for that
I've been to Silverstone personally twice, the place is pretty locked off and it would take a lot for animals, let alone people to get in when they shouldn't be there
F1 tried it out a couple of years ago, but it wasn't a great success. The footage was [underwhelming](https://www.reddit.com/r/Multicopter/comments/uvccii/live_fpv_drone_footage_used_for_the_first_time_at/), and it made viewers feel nauseous. I'm sure they'll try it again in the future, but I guess they don't have the expertise to make it work well yet.
Filming F1 is really difficult, compared to most other sports. It's easy to create impressive F1 drone shots... on a closed track, during a marketing filming event, with only one slow-moving car to focus on, when you can plan exactly what will happen and what shots you'll record, and when you can rerun it as many times as you like. In a real racing situation, everything becomes much more difficult.
is drone racing a thing ? if not it should be, think of all the crazy courses you could race and it would be a great place for innovations. i would watch that. hell you could even allow deathmatch mode here ramming the other team is fine.
If the Russia / Ukraine war and r/combatfootage have taught me anything, it's that it's only a matter of time before someone straps a bomb to one of these.
Their heart rate is spiked the whole time they're driving, this is just another lap for them and having the car step out a bit like this is nothing unusual in the wet. Means you're pushing it well.
That drone can go 350kmh I think it'd be fine. At the end of the video Max said they should do it again in the dry. But they could only use the RB20 for one lap
In 15 years there will be drones the size of a bee and so small enough to not cause danger with 1080 or 4k video that could fly between those cars during the race. And i cannot wait for that day
No there won't be. Fpv drones are already pushing the physics limitations, it will never be possible to build a bee size drone that can keep up with a fpv car, the props speeds alone just make it impossible, not to mention how unstable they would at high speeds and the issue of energy density for the battery.
Nothing is impossible, we don’t know where technology goes. It might be possible with something we have no idea about yet. If you told someone in late 50s that we will be on the moon in 10 years they would’ve given you a lobotomy
This was a filming day before a pre-season test with the brand new car so Max definitely wasn’t pushing hard and the car wasn’t set up at all (thats what they do at pre-season testing). In the full video they showed a lap in the dry that they filmed last year with Liam Lawson and it looks even quicker but seeing the aero at work in the wet makes this video so much cooler. It’s crazy how narrow the wash is around the car and how quickly it’s sucked in towards the rear. Fantastic footage
I question the Worlds fastest:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop\_Grumman\_RQ-4\_Global\_Hawk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_RQ-4_Global_Hawk) 391 mph. I am sure there are faster but this is literally a drone with a camera.
The car won't go much faster than the drone in a straight line, F1 cars aren't made for top speed, they're made to take corners at absolutely insane speeds.
I think it’s probably more a lack of context they handle incredibly well just you can’t really tell; irl it looks impossible how fast they take some corners
Nope, the driver is just pushing it to the limits. These cars have zero electronic assistances aside from electronic clutch for race starts and servo steering, no traction control, no ABS.
The car is going at 250kmh through tight corners in some places, can you do that with your own car?
If you mean that it's losing grip a few times, well it's heavy wet conditions so not unexpected.
And then, you imagine that you could outspeed this drone flying killer, that he can't see you with its thermal scanners, that he can't "hear" your heart beating in your chest pumped by adrenalin, that running will somehow save your life, while he already calculated the hundreds of possibility to kill you just with 1 bullet.
Future is scary.
That's one fast drone, it looks like it's barely ticking over, holding back even.
plenty left in the tank!
I wonder if F1 cars will ever evolve into drones themselves 🤔
When they used the drone last year in Australia iirc it was absolutely awful to watch imo. Way too shaky always at a weird angle and in general hardnto spot any action.
But I really liked this! The camera was always steady and had a set focus. Would be super interesting to see during quali laps!
Love streaming it is hard, most fpv drones use analog like this one (saw in another video) and the digital options that are available would have issues at this range.
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"Vs an F1 car in the wet"
And the drone absolutely doesn't respect track limits.
You know what that means? 5 second penalty for Ocon.
"But I wasn't even on the track!" "Exactly."
The drone got the black and white flag on the first lap!
Show me the FIA rule that says you have to go *under* the bridge
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Yeah that F1 car was barely giving it a go. On a dry track that thing would have been flying.
Please watch the full video. It’s on Red Bulls YouTube channel. The drone’s development team did a run on a dry track on a testday where Liam Lawson (it’s Max Verstappen in this video) did a run and it kept up really well!
Came here to say this.
This is from a Redbull video and their goal was to film the car across the whole lap, not to race it as the post suggests. This lap they were filming Verstappen, but they also did a lap following Lawson on a dry track.
And fishtailing on corners.
I'd wager this drone can outrun an F1 car on any day.
An f1 car needs to stay on the road. You can see the drone overshooting at around 1:40. The strength of a f1 car isn't just top speed (indicar, motogp and wec hit similar or higher speeds), it's high braking force and high cornering speed, both are significantly reduced in the wet. But still, it's impressive how this drone keeps up with relative ease.
Back in 2004 or something like that, Honda stripped down an F1 car derestricted the V10, took it to Bonneville and managed to hit about 400km/h.
I wish there would be a thing like formula 0. Go nuts everything is ok to do with the car. Give 3k hp or lot of aero thingies... Main goal is to win.
I would love to see what they could accomplish with no design restrictions.
you would've loved Group B Rally
Oh absolutely, F1 cars are amazing feats of engineering. The drone is also probably 1/100th the weight of the F1 car.
F1 cars can hit up to 7G in both braking and cornering while they're regularly hitting 3-5G, especially in qualifying. Nothing comes even close to that level of performance under braking and in corners, wet or dry.
Don’t wager too much. Red Bull helped close the gap themselves. Just hitting the tail wind of a car from a decade ago sent that drone offline.
True, the drone is one bad wind away from hitting a wall. My statement was purely based on the top speed of the fastest available drones.
The F1 car was pulling away on the straightaway
You can't infer too much from the video itself as the drone had to stay behind the car. The top speed of the fastest drones(~250MPH) is faster than F1 cars(~220) but I'm not sure exactly what model of drone is used here so 🤷. I wouldn't bet more than $20.
It's custom made for this project.
I can assure you this drone costs much more than $20
Maybe, if it has more juice in it than this, but understand that this F1 car is NOT going at full tilt. 1. It's wet (they are seconds/lap slower in the wet) 2. Its battery is charging (flashing rear red lights). They are much faster when the battery is being deployed. 3. F1 cars are very, very expensive, so they are probably running on a conservative tune (not like the qualifying tune where the engine it turned up even beyond the racing tune). Also, the driver is most likely NOT pushing. Redbull does these exhibition PR type things periodically.
Also, this video isn't a race, the drone is purposely staying back to film the F1 car. The title is misleading.
Yea... I thought of that possibility, too. That's why I don't take it too seriously. It's a 'for fun' thing. Also, I wouldn't focus too much on the F1's top speed nor (especially) it's 0-60. This car can hit 230 mph just from adjusting the wings and nothing else. I.e., its top speed is 'blurry'. The F1 car with the highest top speed in a given race often times doesn't even finish on the podium. 0-60 is useless in F1 and pretty much any other circuit racing, except for its TINY contribution to getting to 'corner 1'. We probably only know about this from other 'for fun' comparisons with street cars, where 0-60 is a standard test. 60-200 is much more relevant and especially corner speed.
Interesting, I guess at that speed even the air pressure on that given day can have a notable impact on speed. Ultimately it'd come down to pilot skill regardless.
I thought you'd appreciate knowing that Carwow just drag raced that drone against an F1 and Tesla Plaid. It easily beat them both. It was wet, but at 7 seconds, dry wouldn't have made a difference.
Vs a drone in the wet
Get a nice long straight section and let them rip. That will really give us a peoper comparison.
Like in the extended video. But, then it's "ok, so they raced along a straight, but how about from a ROLLING start?"
ah so that wasn't smoke. lol. came to the comments to figure out wtf that was.
You can see how wet the track is by how shiny it is and smooth it looks. A dry track has a very mat color and is rough
See the latest redbull video f1car vs drone. They have a good shot of an older gen car with their proto drone.
Tbf, its Max Verstappen in the wet...
So if you look at the water trail following the car you can see the aerodynamics at work it’s kinda insane to look at
It looks beautiful!
that's incredible
What a cool timeline to live in. I can see drones following F1 cars and images from the surface of other worlds from my phone. 🫶
But we can't make sure people can afford to give their kids a bologna sandwich on a daily basis lol
We can, we just choose not to until we awaken.
It really is a fucked up timeline lol
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In the future, do you think it will still be called ‘bologna’? What about ‘sandwich’? Maybe it’s just a symbol…..
Or a memory
As much as Uncle Sam gets from all these taxes, everybody and their momma should have access to bologna sandwiches. The people at the top gotta do better with managing our money.
You can also see same drones chasing cars and people and blowing them up. Brave new world.
You could even see drones following Martian cars till last month.
This has to be the future of camera work for F1. I would love a future where drones are used as action chase cams
Good luck making a battery that wouldn't be too heavy and would last a session of anything, they barely made it last for a lap here.
You could have more than one drone and more than one battery. Swap drones/feeds after every 2-3 laps and replace the batteries on the waiting drones while its out there.
What about track hazard if any of these drop down for whatever reason? It would create artificial yellow flags, maybe even vsc, and in worst case risk a driver running into it before it hits the ground. At those speeds, it's simply not safe.
I'm sure they could allocate ~5% of the battery as unusable for recording so that the drone isn't gonna fall out of the sky due to battery depletion. Upon reaching that point it'll stop recording and land safely I know hobbyist drones already have functions to fly back to set spots if the signal is lost, they could easily tweak it to do the same with these with battery levels Short of the drone getting obliterated by a bird or something, I don't see how it'd be major risk. And this is F1, I've seen those clips of animals on track and it can get a lot more unsafe than that
>Short of the drone getting bliterated by a bird or something Funny you should say that, as the first run, following Max, the drone got hit by something, i'm guessing a pebble kicked up from the wheels. But other than that this would be a great addition to F1 broadcasts. Actual action cams would greatly increase the watchableness of the sport, even if just for a few laps per race. They already have helmet cam laps, so why not this?
No actually, you can see rxloss on the Betaflight OSD, they lost signal from the controller. From analysis of the module on their controller it seems to be crossfire, which is interesting because ExpressLRS might have kept signal much better in these conditions.
That's a false equivalence fallacy because animals aren't purposefully introduced to be near the track, you can't control for that.
They're called barriers and fences, yes you can control for that I've been to Silverstone personally twice, the place is pretty locked off and it would take a lot for animals, let alone people to get in when they shouldn't be there
Master debater, go to bed.
They have used drones before. I think in Spain 22 but could be wrong about that. I know it’s happened before
you forgot about... backup drones!
You can swap drones at any time they're not in the race. lol, why does the battery matter?
F1 tried it out a couple of years ago, but it wasn't a great success. The footage was [underwhelming](https://www.reddit.com/r/Multicopter/comments/uvccii/live_fpv_drone_footage_used_for_the_first_time_at/), and it made viewers feel nauseous. I'm sure they'll try it again in the future, but I guess they don't have the expertise to make it work well yet. Filming F1 is really difficult, compared to most other sports. It's easy to create impressive F1 drone shots... on a closed track, during a marketing filming event, with only one slow-moving car to focus on, when you can plan exactly what will happen and what shots you'll record, and when you can rerun it as many times as you like. In a real racing situation, everything becomes much more difficult.
It's not a VS thing. They were keeping pace to get the video footage.
Oh Are you sure?
There's a longer video.
Oh thanks
You can even see it here when the drone pulls ahead and flips over to get a good view of the car while it's making a turn.
The rain made it even better
It still boggles the mind that those things are as capable as they are in the wet.
Thought it was a boat racing on a river at first
Same I was confused like?
Looks like a recording from a videogame!
Most impressive video of the day? Yes
is drone racing a thing ? if not it should be, think of all the crazy courses you could race and it would be a great place for innovations. i would watch that. hell you could even allow deathmatch mode here ramming the other team is fine.
it is.
It is, and has been for years. There are 2 major leagues. Multigp and DRL
I was looking at getting a Star Wars themed race drone at some point but A; I can't fly them for shit and B; they're astronomically expensive
I'm vouching for the drone, why is it taking corners instead of flying straight?
Because it was following the car to get the footage...
You underestimate Max Verstappen
This made me wanna play Mario kart 64
God I miss the old engines
Misleading title.
I thought this was a video game at first
After watching a similar Sora video earlier this week anyone else starting to question the reality of every cool pic/video you see?
Silverstone in England
Fuckn video game replay
If the Russia / Ukraine war and r/combatfootage have taught me anything, it's that it's only a matter of time before someone straps a bomb to one of these.
An F1 car?
They already use the same tech, the beauty of fpv drones is you can build to the spec you want.
sound is incredible!
You should listen to some of the early-mid 2000s engines they had on F1, those were really something else!
It's weird but it doesn't look real, it looks like a computer game
Image stabilization on the final video editing is a big part of this feeling.
Prove to me that this isn't AI generated
it's not even good enough to be AI generated, it's just some CGI and bad CGI at that. look at the surroundings lol.
I know F1 racing is adrenaline fueled anyway but I bet that drivers heart rate spiked every time they slipped a little bit lol.
Their heart rate is spiked the whole time they're driving, this is just another lap for them and having the car step out a bit like this is nothing unusual in the wet. Means you're pushing it well.
Yeah think average is somewhere around 170bpm. Then they lose around 5lbs in a race mostly through sweat.
It's amazing that it's overcome the battery capacity vs weight issue and can keep up.
Don’t see it doing so well on a dry day
That drone can go 350kmh I think it'd be fine. At the end of the video Max said they should do it again in the dry. But they could only use the RB20 for one lap
It’s most likely just following it, not racing it. The drone is probably capable of beating it no problem.
They followed Liam Lawson in the dry and did fine.
In 15 years there will be drones the size of a bee and so small enough to not cause danger with 1080 or 4k video that could fly between those cars during the race. And i cannot wait for that day
And what would power them for the duration of any session let alone the race?
Graphite batteries
No there won't be. Fpv drones are already pushing the physics limitations, it will never be possible to build a bee size drone that can keep up with a fpv car, the props speeds alone just make it impossible, not to mention how unstable they would at high speeds and the issue of energy density for the battery.
Nothing is impossible, we don’t know where technology goes. It might be possible with something we have no idea about yet. If you told someone in late 50s that we will be on the moon in 10 years they would’ve given you a lobotomy
Try it again on a dry track.
They do in w video
in rain.....cmon.
Liam did a dry run, the drone kept up.
Incredible pov.
Wow. Imagine that with a weapon attached to it. Nightmare fuel. Add this to the list of things AI can cause boo boo’s with.
I can't imagine a drone going much over 100 mph?
It was hitting 350 kph in the video
Wow, that's impressive!
Do you think the dirty air aerodynamics from the F1 made any difference to the drone at that level?
No, it did not.
In the full video they do an earlier test run with Liam Lawson and he did comment on the dirty air making it tough at times.
Look the angle and route are not the same. Get the drone a few feet from the ground with the same rules and see how it gets on.
Ok, I thought that was a boat at the start
Coming soon to an over funded highway patrol 🚔🚨
This was a filming day before a pre-season test with the brand new car so Max definitely wasn’t pushing hard and the car wasn’t set up at all (thats what they do at pre-season testing). In the full video they showed a lap in the dry that they filmed last year with Liam Lawson and it looks even quicker but seeing the aero at work in the wet makes this video so much cooler. It’s crazy how narrow the wash is around the car and how quickly it’s sucked in towards the rear. Fantastic footage
I question the Worlds fastest: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop\_Grumman\_RQ-4\_Global\_Hawk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_RQ-4_Global_Hawk) 391 mph. I am sure there are faster but this is literally a drone with a camera.
That feeling when you've played enough racing games to guess that it's Silverstone and realize you're right as the car passes the banner
I, for one, would find drone races much more interesting to watch than car races.
Is this Tsukuba Circuit?
Real life mario kart when?
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What are the buildings being built? They are all detached like houses, but surely that can't be right. If it was an office why are they all separate?
"what a time to be alive" moment
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Now put goggles on the drivers and let them race in third person.
Must have been Perez based on all those missed apexes.
On a wet track? Why even release this weak PR stunt? Do better.
look at the comments here. Does nobody see this is completely computer generated?
Give that F1 car a straight away and your drone means nothing
the drone can go 350 km/h - more or less the max speed a f1 car can go on a straightaway, so nah.
The car won't go much faster than the drone in a straight line, F1 cars aren't made for top speed, they're made to take corners at absolutely insane speeds.
In the full video they do one at a drag strip and the drone wins.
Born to fly alongside F1 cars Forced to ram an artillery shell up a Ukrainian’s ass
Drone unlikely to win
This driver sucks balls
I know it’s wet and they’re having to be incredibly careful but they have really shit looking handling.
I think it’s probably more a lack of context they handle incredibly well just you can’t really tell; irl it looks impossible how fast they take some corners
Nope, the driver is just pushing it to the limits. These cars have zero electronic assistances aside from electronic clutch for race starts and servo steering, no traction control, no ABS.
The car is going at 250kmh through tight corners in some places, can you do that with your own car? If you mean that it's losing grip a few times, well it's heavy wet conditions so not unexpected.
The drone shot doesn’t do the speed justice, my bad
You must be joking? You just watched Max Verstappen in the rb20 and said the handling looks shit?
That's the reigning world champion in likely the best car on track this year.
I would have flown right into that overpass.
And then, you imagine that you could outspeed this drone flying killer, that he can't see you with its thermal scanners, that he can't "hear" your heart beating in your chest pumped by adrenalin, that running will somehow save your life, while he already calculated the hundreds of possibility to kill you just with 1 bullet. Future is scary.
Not the fastest drone woth a camera lol
Now do it in the dry
They did, it still kept up.
The water really shows off that impressive low pressure zone.
That's one fast drone, it looks like it's barely ticking over, holding back even. plenty left in the tank! I wonder if F1 cars will ever evolve into drones themselves 🤔
When they used the drone last year in Australia iirc it was absolutely awful to watch imo. Way too shaky always at a weird angle and in general hardnto spot any action. But I really liked this! The camera was always steady and had a set focus. Would be super interesting to see during quali laps!
Love streaming it is hard, most fpv drones use analog like this one (saw in another video) and the digital options that are available would have issues at this range.
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There are no private properties trackside. It's silverstone.
Bad title. Not the fastest drone in the world and not a race.
How did the drone get such clean sound? Its rotors. The sound has had to have been added later.
It would watch this version of F1.