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Some took it a step further
They identified Russian corpses and sent pics to their families
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-sending-photos-of-dead-russian-soldiers-home-moms-2022-4?amp
I mean that's not trolling so much as giving families closure and maybe a chance to get the bodies home for proper burial. Awful to see, I'm sure, but not worse than never hearing from them again and always wondering and worrying. Trolling would be that but they draw dicks on their faces or something.
It doesn't mean that anymore though. Or at minimum it doesn't only mean that. This is warfare shittalk and mockery of a very high order. Totally fits the modern definition of trolling.
Love seeing children posting here with their confident incorrectness. Trolling literally came from fishing, you know, drag a line behind you, hope something bites?
Yeah, as in, I'm going to cast out this inflamatory comment to see who bites. See the analogy? The fact that trawl->troll sound identical just made it an easy swap.
I get that. And I have zero interest in Internet etymology. But your definition doesn’t fit the common phrase of “don’t feed the trolls“. You wouldn’t “feed” an inflammatory comment, like you would a bridge troll.
Wow man, are you really that dense, intentionally failing to see the connection, or are you trolling me now? Original meaning: casting out an inflamatory comment to get "bites" aka "trolling" in the fishing sense. And people quickly realizing that is the same word used to describe a creature typically living under a bridge, therefore "trolling" for comments is being done by a "troll", i.e. a bridge dweller. Fucking tiktok has fried you idiots' brains.
> In modern English usage, "trolling" may describe the fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat
The internet existed before tiktok, not that most of you would know.
Holy shit man… There’s a difference between not agreeing with you, and not understanding you. As if your fishing analogy is just too goddamn deep for others to grasp…
> In modern English usage, "trolling" may describe the fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat
Can you even fucking read?
Yeah irl you wouldn’t:
1) risk a bomber for a joke (having seen Masters of the Air… holy shit)
2) interrupt your enemy when they’re doing something stupid, like manning a useless field
More importantly, dropping the wooden bomb would be essentially showing your military intelligence cards when you don't have to. You'd be telling them that you knew the whole time. Which means they'd have to figure out how you knew, etc.
This is the reason I immediately thought this story is probably fake. Guarding intelligence sources is a big deal, you're not going to give one away to play a prank.
Depends. Maybe the int source was already compromised or out of reach. If your spy was caught and executed or was worried about it and had fled back to your own country, doing this stunt might cause them to do a phoney witchhunt trying to track down a nonexistent mole and executing the wrong person. There's all sorts of cunning games to be played here.
Yeah, the Brits let the Germans bomb a city (Coventry IIRC) to about letting the Germans know they had cracked their codes, no way they pull this kind of shit if they got wind of the plans from cracked codes or other intelligence. They saved those sorts of risks for massacring U-boats.
They would have known about it from Enigma more than likely, thus something like this would never have happened. They had to keep their knowledge of the code a secret.
IF this story was true (its not) my gut feeling says bomber command would of sent a single mosquito low level.. We did have a flight of mosquitos interrupt goering giving a speech by flying the raf's first daylight bombing raid against berlin, just to say fuck you lol.
> enemy radar sucked at picking them up.
This is mostly a myth, originating in part from German sources that did think the aircraft was difficult to detect on radar (Adolf Galland, for exmple, believed that)
British tests showed that it was not the case, however.
It was very fast, simple as that. That makes it hard to intercept, and hard to target with AA fire.
They also flew mostly at night. Night raids by big, heavy, cumbersome bombers almost always had loss rates of less than 5%. Now imagine the same, but with very fast and much smaller Mosquitos.
Masters of the Air was good! I couldn't imagine being in those planes. Since then I've rewatched Band of Brothers and am now watching The Pacific... I'm on a kick! Not sure what to do after The Pacific is over.
I’d also absolutely recommend Generation Kill.. same premise as the other mini-series except non-WWII. It folllows First Recon Marines deploying in Iraq during the invasion in ‘03.
> Yeah irl you wouldn’t:
>
> 1) risk a bomber for a joke
This did happen, although it was very rare. To cite one example, a trio of Japanese pilots (Saburo Sakai, Hiroyoshi Nishizawa and Toshio Ohta) took off in an unofficial flight to celebrate and do aerobatics over an enemy airfield.
They were torn a new asshole by their commanding officer upon returning, though.
You do realise that airmen are not known to be risk averse people.
As to interrupting people when they do something stupid, unless tge RAF wasted real bombs against the fake target the fact that tgsy saw through it would become apparent anyway so why not have a little fun
Because if you adjusted your tactics, allowing the enemy to believe the trick was working, they would take that into account as part of their defense - which you don't mind, because you can take advantage of it when it's advantageous. It's like finding a flaw in their defense and pointing it out for laughs.
>interrupt your enemy when they’re doing something stupid, like manning a useless field
Its not stupid if it works, the allies pulled a very similar stunt near dday with there own ballon tanks.
u/Bigglesworth has a great answer on this over in /r/AskHistorians
https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/10m5pzd/is_the_fake_german_airfield_in_holland_during_ww2/
IMO it's unlikely, the UK had cracked the enigma machine, and were essentially operating the German spy network in the UK in its entirety. The 'ultra' intelligence Enigma and the spies generated were very closely held, and we wouldn't have wanted to create any suspicion otherwise.
I've seen the OP image being posted maybe a half dozen times and everytime there's people debunking it in the comments, yet the posts gets to top every time. I'm convinced Dead Internet is a real thing
Ever since governments have been equipping fit, motivated young people with expensive weaponry, those fit young people have been using them to annoy the troops of their government’s chosen political adversary in new, interesting and hilarious ways.
Example during the Cold War- one government sends bomber aircraft to test the air defences of the territory of another government…
The reality? A plane crewed by two young men fly close enough to the other aircraft to take photos of the crew mooning them…
Agreed, however it didn’t stop crews from dropping filled toilets etc from aircraft. If it boosted morale of the men then they would turn a blind eye and in some cases organise a roster to aid in the filling of these “devices”.
To be fair, military men are known to just go “let’s do it for the lolz”. Like Mephisto, the last surviving WW1 German tank, owns its survival to a bunch of Australian soldiers who found it stuck and abandoned in a crater in no man’s land and decided it would be real funny to steal from right under the German’s nose.
Airmen did daft things all the time. A Mosquito pilot bombed Berlin when Goering was giving a radio speech, the US Navy dropped a toilet in Vietnam. Trolling is part of demoralising the enemy, which an Airforce would definitely sign off on as a potential mission
For quite some time during the Cold War, various members of country’s diplomatic missions would be running about major cities doing things like standing on random street corners with folded newspapers under their arm, or making it look like they were chalking marks on kerbs- all to make it look like they were signalling to agents to local counter-intelligence officers. While they were being watched, the real intelligence officers were cultivating and running agents.
The modern equivalent was what the Indians and Pakistanis have been up to; keeping each other up all night playing international ding-dong-ditch and running off giggling.
There were significantly less risk in dropping a single bomb then a full bombing mission. A single Mosquito or Spitfire could do a fast low altitude run at dusk or dawn and expect almost no return fire. The wooden bomb would be a morale boost for the Allied and reduce morale for the Germans. It might also force the Germans to reallocate resources to build a new fake airfield or to move the real airfield back since the Allies knew which was the real one.
The Germans built entire fake city centres (for example Suttgart: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasilien_(Scheinanlage)) to misguide night bombing raids. They worked so well that people in villages close to these fake cities complained about getting hit by stray bombs all the time
Or stealing two German destroyers and an Italian cruise ship that was being used as a listening station by towing them out of the small, defended harbor they were moored in.
Or the one where Adolf Hitler was about to win the war using his nuclear bombs, but when they opened the nuclear chest it only contained crumpets and a picture of the Queen!
King, Elizabeth was a princess at the time. And in the interests of fair play, the crumpets were fissile.
But the disastrous German intelligence operation is true.
Operation Foxley- the plan to assassinate Hitler- was called off because it was judged that letting him continue living was losing the war faster than potentially having him assassinated and replaced by someone who was actually competent enough to win it…
There is no advantage to bombing it at all. If you can come up with a logical one, I'd love to be proven wrong.
Think about it though... You build this over months, they troll you with a wooden bomb.
Now you are sitting there wondering how they knew ***and what else they know***.
I guess you could try to say that this is a waste of time and resources and making them think you fell for it would make them make more, but YOU are still the one dropping expensive better used bombs on nonsense and the germans did not exactly shy away from slave labor... a couple of trees vs. a many bombs? The germans would have had a better deal out of your line of thinking.
Letting them know anything often is stupid. Now they will change tactics, backtrace the information leak, invalidate any new information that could have been learned. Now if this info was gained as a fluke, sure. Prod them and hope they waste resources looking for a leak that doesn’t exist.
But if this was gained by decoding codes or something repeatable… you stay quiet and do what you can without letting them know you know anything. It’s better for them to think you are brilliant than have inside information. During WW2 there were situations where they let men die instead of letting on that they had broken encryption. Impossibly hard calls.
>Letting them know anything often is stupid.
I do not disagree in general but this is WWII where there was one guy in charge, a real jerk narcissist kind of guy...
That said, none of these people were actually stupid, not bombing is the same as letting them know you know.
>Now if this info was gained as a fluke, sure. Prod them and hope they waste resources looking for a leak that doesn’t exist.
This makes no logical sense for either side of this.
I never said actually bomb it. See my later response in this comment thread.
You can essentially use it to conceal bomber movement or make the enemy believe a force is going to target something and then switch to a real target.
Again, normally one would allow the enemy to believe you fell for their distraction as long as possible, it may need up being useful z
>I never said actually bomb it.
True but this is the context of the post and just flying towards it and then taking a sharp right or left was something I didn't think you were trying to say... because it's super duper silly and I assumed you are way smarter than that.
again... WWII was 80 years ago. Logistics were not the same, you are thinking through a more modern lens and I am sorry I made assumptions.
No I’m saying not drop ordnance in it, but make the Germans think you’re headed for the fake airfield and divert to another target or something was more my point.
A lot of times in the intel game you don’t give it away if you figured out an enemies trick.
I think you misunderstand how this all worked in WWII. There need not be a feint like that, there is no advantage in that. Transporation, communications, logistics, they were all 100x times slower back then. Pivoting, from any scenario, was not something useful or even capable.
In addition, it was dangerous to fly at all over positions and all resources, including fuel, were scarce.
No offense but you wouldn't have been a good decision maker in WWII
Yeah, as I was typing I kind of realized I was thinking in a more modern context where information and concealment is way more important, lol
I guess if there was no use in the misdirection, why not do something fun.
That said, there was radar and the ability to send interceptors during WWII. In that environment, anticipating a given target for a bombing run would be relevant. Moreover, by allowing the enemy to believe you fell for the ruse, you raise the possibility of them making a bigger mistake by underestimating your ISR capabilities.
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Ich und mein Holz
Ich und mein Holz
Okay, der Song beginnt und er bekommt ein Thema - ich und mein Holz
Und das Thema heute, es heißt Holz - ich und mein, ich und mein Holz
Holz sieht sehr schön aus, Holz ist vielseitig - ich und mein Holz
Du kannst es verbrennen, du kannst es sägen - ich und mein, ich und mein Holz
Ja, wenn du es verbrennst, dann spendet es Wärme - ich und mein, ich und mein Holz
Aber wenn du es sägst, dann nicht - eh!
Und jetzt mal alle in this wood, joa:
Ich und mein Holz, ich und mein Holz
Holzi, Holzi, Holz
Ich und mein Holz, ich und mein Holz
Ich und mein, ich und mein Holz (mein Holz)
...
Reading about WWII, I have to wonder just what would have happened if the Wehrmacht had been in charge. They were the "regular military," good and professional.
But the idiots surrounding Hitler took charge and he in his psychotic mind thought that he could win the war just by willing it to be so.
Operation Foxley was the plan to assassinate Hitler but was called off because it was seen that Hitler was doing such a good job of losing the war, had they killed him and the Germans replaced him with someone competent, the war may go on for longer…
Same outcome, just more dead Allied soldiers I guess (and a radioactive Berlin if the war in Europe went on longer).
The Wehrmacht couldn't conjure fuel, iron and food out of thin air.
Fake.
An interesting true story is how the US camouflaged a huge aircraft plant:
https://www.militarystory.org/how-the-military-hid-the-lockheed-burbank-aircraft-plant/
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The Germans really thought they were so much better and smarter than everyone else yet they were outclassed and found out by the allies the whole time. Shows you how their wartime propaganda leads to a fake perception of Germany during ww2 as the greatest technological and strategic power.
The Germans also built a fake artillery on a very steep hill and the US and UK trained a special forces unit with specially made ballistic grapples to take it out. They battled almost straight up taking heavy losses to discover it was fake.
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-That wood be hilarious Someone in the AF, probably
I'm sure they were just barking orders non-stop
And there I was just trying to relax, like “birch, please”
The germans actually logged this tactic for future reference
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You need help
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Because I'm just log that
Haha very wood
and wooden wars began
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Splitter! (Judean People’s Front)
There was a lot of hurly-burly.
Sticks and stones….you know the rest.
Oak-Ay.
The German leaders were still a beech.
Ashbolutely. (groan).
Dad!
Jokes like this can cause a splinter in the audience.
You won the internet!
Bruh ahahahahahahahahHAHAAHAHHAAHHAHAA
a very wood joke
Dont you mean "a bomb that Wood'ent explode"
If there's anything more human than war it's trolling your enemies.
Best one in recent history is the Ukrainians inviting Russion Babushkas to come and pick up their errant young men.
Some took it a step further They identified Russian corpses and sent pics to their families https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-sending-photos-of-dead-russian-soldiers-home-moms-2022-4?amp
I mean that's not trolling so much as giving families closure and maybe a chance to get the bodies home for proper burial. Awful to see, I'm sure, but not worse than never hearing from them again and always wondering and worrying. Trolling would be that but they draw dicks on their faces or something.
Also breaking the Russian lies that the soldier didn’t die in combat and so they’re withholding payment.
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It doesn't mean that anymore though. Or at minimum it doesn't only mean that. This is warfare shittalk and mockery of a very high order. Totally fits the modern definition of trolling.
Love seeing children posting here with their confident incorrectness. Trolling literally came from fishing, you know, drag a line behind you, hope something bites?
Pretty sure you’re thinking of trawling.
That's dragging a net on the ocean floor, a separate method.
I think it comes from “Internet trolls“; shitty people who like to be A-holes just for sport. As in, “don’t feed the trolls“.
Yeah, as in, I'm going to cast out this inflamatory comment to see who bites. See the analogy? The fact that trawl->troll sound identical just made it an easy swap.
I get that. And I have zero interest in Internet etymology. But your definition doesn’t fit the common phrase of “don’t feed the trolls“. You wouldn’t “feed” an inflammatory comment, like you would a bridge troll.
Wow man, are you really that dense, intentionally failing to see the connection, or are you trolling me now? Original meaning: casting out an inflamatory comment to get "bites" aka "trolling" in the fishing sense. And people quickly realizing that is the same word used to describe a creature typically living under a bridge, therefore "trolling" for comments is being done by a "troll", i.e. a bridge dweller. Fucking tiktok has fried you idiots' brains.
> In modern English usage, "trolling" may describe the fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat The internet existed before tiktok, not that most of you would know.
And homonyms existed before the Internet. I’m pretty fucking old…
But apparently not old enough to understand the connection.
Holy shit man… There’s a difference between not agreeing with you, and not understanding you. As if your fishing analogy is just too goddamn deep for others to grasp…
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> In modern English usage, "trolling" may describe the fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat Can you even fucking read?
You seem fun
About as fun as the person they are responding to arguing semantics over what the trolling means, and being wrong hilariously.
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Yeah but none of them ever needed nukes to settle a fight
The story is funny but unproven and IMO probably fake as the bomb. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wooden-bomb/
Yeah irl you wouldn’t: 1) risk a bomber for a joke (having seen Masters of the Air… holy shit) 2) interrupt your enemy when they’re doing something stupid, like manning a useless field
More importantly, dropping the wooden bomb would be essentially showing your military intelligence cards when you don't have to. You'd be telling them that you knew the whole time. Which means they'd have to figure out how you knew, etc.
This is the reason I immediately thought this story is probably fake. Guarding intelligence sources is a big deal, you're not going to give one away to play a prank.
Depends. Maybe the int source was already compromised or out of reach. If your spy was caught and executed or was worried about it and had fled back to your own country, doing this stunt might cause them to do a phoney witchhunt trying to track down a nonexistent mole and executing the wrong person. There's all sorts of cunning games to be played here.
Sure, we could dream up unlikely scenarios to justify this stunt. But they're unlikely and I don't think this happened.
Yeah, the Brits let the Germans bomb a city (Coventry IIRC) to about letting the Germans know they had cracked their codes, no way they pull this kind of shit if they got wind of the plans from cracked codes or other intelligence. They saved those sorts of risks for massacring U-boats.
They would have known about it from Enigma more than likely, thus something like this would never have happened. They had to keep their knowledge of the code a secret.
It would be a good way to damage the enemy's morale.
I would be pretty happy working on a fake airfield knowing the enemy would not drop real bombs on it.
IF this story was true (its not) my gut feeling says bomber command would of sent a single mosquito low level.. We did have a flight of mosquitos interrupt goering giving a speech by flying the raf's first daylight bombing raid against berlin, just to say fuck you lol.
Yea, those things were monsters and that was around when they realized due to being made of wood, enemy radar sucked at picking them up.
> enemy radar sucked at picking them up. This is mostly a myth, originating in part from German sources that did think the aircraft was difficult to detect on radar (Adolf Galland, for exmple, believed that) British tests showed that it was not the case, however.
How did the plane get around so many defenses then? Seems odd they did such brazen things with the plane that others couldn't
It was very fast, simple as that. That makes it hard to intercept, and hard to target with AA fire. They also flew mostly at night. Night raids by big, heavy, cumbersome bombers almost always had loss rates of less than 5%. Now imagine the same, but with very fast and much smaller Mosquitos.
Masters of the Air was good! I couldn't imagine being in those planes. Since then I've rewatched Band of Brothers and am now watching The Pacific... I'm on a kick! Not sure what to do after The Pacific is over.
I can recommend the “we have ways of making you talk” podcast as a good option for next.
The Great Escape, A Bridge Too Far, Saving Private Ryan, Memphis Belle, Kelly's Heroes
I’d also absolutely recommend Generation Kill.. same premise as the other mini-series except non-WWII. It folllows First Recon Marines deploying in Iraq during the invasion in ‘03.
Greyhound with Tom Hanks, Dunkirk, Saving Private Ryan... and of course the most accurate war movie, Wonder Woman
Unless it was a mosquito but they were needed for actual bombing runs as they were fast as hell
> Yeah irl you wouldn’t: > > 1) risk a bomber for a joke This did happen, although it was very rare. To cite one example, a trio of Japanese pilots (Saburo Sakai, Hiroyoshi Nishizawa and Toshio Ohta) took off in an unofficial flight to celebrate and do aerobatics over an enemy airfield. They were torn a new asshole by their commanding officer upon returning, though.
You do realise that airmen are not known to be risk averse people. As to interrupting people when they do something stupid, unless tge RAF wasted real bombs against the fake target the fact that tgsy saw through it would become apparent anyway so why not have a little fun
Because if you adjusted your tactics, allowing the enemy to believe the trick was working, they would take that into account as part of their defense - which you don't mind, because you can take advantage of it when it's advantageous. It's like finding a flaw in their defense and pointing it out for laughs.
Bc you’re giving away your intelligence capabilities
>interrupt your enemy when they’re doing something stupid, like manning a useless field Its not stupid if it works, the allies pulled a very similar stunt near dday with there own ballon tanks.
Yeah but that worked
Yet it will get thousands of upvotes.
And the comment won't...
Fake as the bomb? But if the story is fake, that makes it a fake fake bomb. Fun fact: A fake fake bomb is either no bomb at all or a real bomb!
It's a "float light". A kind of smoke flare they dropped on water to mark locations.
u/Bigglesworth has a great answer on this over in /r/AskHistorians https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/10m5pzd/is_the_fake_german_airfield_in_holland_during_ww2/ IMO it's unlikely, the UK had cracked the enigma machine, and were essentially operating the German spy network in the UK in its entirety. The 'ultra' intelligence Enigma and the spies generated were very closely held, and we wouldn't have wanted to create any suspicion otherwise.
You mean people would do that? Just go on the internet and spread Allied propaganda?
I've seen the OP image being posted maybe a half dozen times and everytime there's people debunking it in the comments, yet the posts gets to top every time. I'm convinced Dead Internet is a real thing
Wood that it were true
What kind of beech would make up a story like that?
It's funny, but I cannot imagine air command risking the life of a bombing crew just for some light trolling.
Ma'am I'm sorry to inform you that your husband passed away. How? He was doing a prank.
It was a social experiment!
It was just a prank stop crying!
Ever since governments have been equipping fit, motivated young people with expensive weaponry, those fit young people have been using them to annoy the troops of their government’s chosen political adversary in new, interesting and hilarious ways. Example during the Cold War- one government sends bomber aircraft to test the air defences of the territory of another government… The reality? A plane crewed by two young men fly close enough to the other aircraft to take photos of the crew mooning them…
depends really, if it was a mosquito, it was relatively safe to send it in to drop the bomb. Enemy radar couldn't really pick them up.
Agreed, however it didn’t stop crews from dropping filled toilets etc from aircraft. If it boosted morale of the men then they would turn a blind eye and in some cases organise a roster to aid in the filling of these “devices”.
To be fair, military men are known to just go “let’s do it for the lolz”. Like Mephisto, the last surviving WW1 German tank, owns its survival to a bunch of Australian soldiers who found it stuck and abandoned in a crater in no man’s land and decided it would be real funny to steal from right under the German’s nose.
Airmen did daft things all the time. A Mosquito pilot bombed Berlin when Goering was giving a radio speech, the US Navy dropped a toilet in Vietnam. Trolling is part of demoralising the enemy, which an Airforce would definitely sign off on as a potential mission
For quite some time during the Cold War, various members of country’s diplomatic missions would be running about major cities doing things like standing on random street corners with folded newspapers under their arm, or making it look like they were chalking marks on kerbs- all to make it look like they were signalling to agents to local counter-intelligence officers. While they were being watched, the real intelligence officers were cultivating and running agents. The modern equivalent was what the Indians and Pakistanis have been up to; keeping each other up all night playing international ding-dong-ditch and running off giggling.
And sometimes it’s the only way to make ice cream.
There were significantly less risk in dropping a single bomb then a full bombing mission. A single Mosquito or Spitfire could do a fast low altitude run at dusk or dawn and expect almost no return fire. The wooden bomb would be a morale boost for the Allied and reduce morale for the Germans. It might also force the Germans to reallocate resources to build a new fake airfield or to move the real airfield back since the Allies knew which was the real one.
Maybe just a story: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wooden-bomb/
Perhaps but there were all kinds of things both sides did to obfuscate their positions. Like inflatable tanks (lol)
The Germans built entire fake city centres (for example Suttgart: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasilien_(Scheinanlage)) to misguide night bombing raids. They worked so well that people in villages close to these fake cities complained about getting hit by stray bombs all the time
The 16 bombers that got shot down trying to deliver the bomb. "Worth"
well wood you look at that chaps
Imagine the splinters
The allies also had fake tanks etc (they may have been inflatable not sure). WW2 was full of crazy idea.
UK loves inventing these stories where they outwit the Germans.
It's not like we have a shortage of real ones. Like secretly turning every single German spy active in Britain.
Often within a day of them landing.
Or stealing two German destroyers and an Italian cruise ship that was being used as a listening station by towing them out of the small, defended harbor they were moored in.
Or the one where Adolf Hitler was about to win the war using his nuclear bombs, but when they opened the nuclear chest it only contained crumpets and a picture of the Queen!
King, Elizabeth was a princess at the time. And in the interests of fair play, the crumpets were fissile. But the disastrous German intelligence operation is true.
Operation Foxley- the plan to assassinate Hitler- was called off because it was judged that letting him continue living was losing the war faster than potentially having him assassinated and replaced by someone who was actually competent enough to win it…
Pretty sure that was the cover story for Garbo, the GOAT of spy trolls.
No, Double-Cross was real.
God saves the fakes
Idk maybe they could have made the Germans think they bought the ruse and then used that to their advantage
There is no advantage to bombing it at all. If you can come up with a logical one, I'd love to be proven wrong. Think about it though... You build this over months, they troll you with a wooden bomb. Now you are sitting there wondering how they knew ***and what else they know***. I guess you could try to say that this is a waste of time and resources and making them think you fell for it would make them make more, but YOU are still the one dropping expensive better used bombs on nonsense and the germans did not exactly shy away from slave labor... a couple of trees vs. a many bombs? The germans would have had a better deal out of your line of thinking.
Letting them know anything often is stupid. Now they will change tactics, backtrace the information leak, invalidate any new information that could have been learned. Now if this info was gained as a fluke, sure. Prod them and hope they waste resources looking for a leak that doesn’t exist. But if this was gained by decoding codes or something repeatable… you stay quiet and do what you can without letting them know you know anything. It’s better for them to think you are brilliant than have inside information. During WW2 there were situations where they let men die instead of letting on that they had broken encryption. Impossibly hard calls.
>Letting them know anything often is stupid. I do not disagree in general but this is WWII where there was one guy in charge, a real jerk narcissist kind of guy... That said, none of these people were actually stupid, not bombing is the same as letting them know you know. >Now if this info was gained as a fluke, sure. Prod them and hope they waste resources looking for a leak that doesn’t exist. This makes no logical sense for either side of this.
I never said actually bomb it. See my later response in this comment thread. You can essentially use it to conceal bomber movement or make the enemy believe a force is going to target something and then switch to a real target. Again, normally one would allow the enemy to believe you fell for their distraction as long as possible, it may need up being useful z
>I never said actually bomb it. True but this is the context of the post and just flying towards it and then taking a sharp right or left was something I didn't think you were trying to say... because it's super duper silly and I assumed you are way smarter than that. again... WWII was 80 years ago. Logistics were not the same, you are thinking through a more modern lens and I am sorry I made assumptions.
That would waste ordnance. But the morale value of this venture is relevant. So long as the enemy doesn't learn how you detected the ruse.
No I’m saying not drop ordnance in it, but make the Germans think you’re headed for the fake airfield and divert to another target or something was more my point. A lot of times in the intel game you don’t give it away if you figured out an enemies trick.
If true, they didn't for months, and then bombed their morale. The version I heard included German interviewees who said as much.
I think you misunderstand how this all worked in WWII. There need not be a feint like that, there is no advantage in that. Transporation, communications, logistics, they were all 100x times slower back then. Pivoting, from any scenario, was not something useful or even capable. In addition, it was dangerous to fly at all over positions and all resources, including fuel, were scarce. No offense but you wouldn't have been a good decision maker in WWII
Yeah, as I was typing I kind of realized I was thinking in a more modern context where information and concealment is way more important, lol I guess if there was no use in the misdirection, why not do something fun. That said, there was radar and the ability to send interceptors during WWII. In that environment, anticipating a given target for a bombing run would be relevant. Moreover, by allowing the enemy to believe you fell for the ruse, you raise the possibility of them making a bigger mistake by underestimating your ISR capabilities.
I'm sure the Germans would have prepared any nearby bases just in case alied forces knew it was fake
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OPs really should fact check these things before posting them as fact.
Unfortunately the story is fake.
Hehe
A wooden object dropped from any height where airplanes fly would be obliterated. Unless it got dropped off by truck or something.
Although I love this story and I hope it’s true, nobody seems to be able to corroborate it.
Because everyone involved is now dead from splinters
Should have dropped a single petrol bomb on it
Superb
Lol trolling warfare
I think if I had just wasted weeks on that shit, I would laugh for a solid minute before just killing myself
Wood you look at that
Wood War 2
$200,000 prank
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nah thats the next trevel of troll
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I can’t live this more than I already do!
Reading about WWII, I have to wonder just what would have happened if the Wehrmacht had been in charge. They were the "regular military," good and professional. But the idiots surrounding Hitler took charge and he in his psychotic mind thought that he could win the war just by willing it to be so.
Operation Foxley was the plan to assassinate Hitler but was called off because it was seen that Hitler was doing such a good job of losing the war, had they killed him and the Germans replaced him with someone competent, the war may go on for longer…
Same outcome, just more dead Allied soldiers I guess (and a radioactive Berlin if the war in Europe went on longer). The Wehrmacht couldn't conjure fuel, iron and food out of thin air.
Well, that's true. They couldn't.
the British are always good at this types of things
Sounds like a Fake story...
So this is how the trojan horse evolved
You can get your carpenters creating fake wooden aircraft or get them creating real wooden aircraft like the mosquito
Imagine if the carpet bombed it with wood bombs
Ten kiloton bantz right there
Those type of stories are some of the few reason i am happy to be human… some times
The movie Eye of the Needle was similar to this except Donald Sutherland was a Nazi that discovered the Allies fake airfield
Fake. An interesting true story is how the US camouflaged a huge aircraft plant: https://www.militarystory.org/how-the-military-hid-the-lockheed-burbank-aircraft-plant/
I think they expected it because the same was done in ww1. They build a whole fake city of paris with the eiffel tower
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This resulted in 5,000 casualties and a little trolling 🧌
British inteligence was the GOAT in WWII!
 May as well have built a tollbooth outside that fake town.
It was the only toy bombing in WW2
Fake.
Elm-er Dud
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Is this happened for real or another WW2 propaganda
How did the Germans react, is there a story like this that the allies did but the Germans know what was up
imagine risking your life flying into enemy line just to make a joke xddd
Do you want splinters? That's how you get splinters?
I hate my dirty mind
The Germans really thought they were so much better and smarter than everyone else yet they were outclassed and found out by the allies the whole time. Shows you how their wartime propaganda leads to a fake perception of Germany during ww2 as the greatest technological and strategic power.
I’m sure the Germans were pinning for a little action and decided to spruce up the airfield.
That is the greatest fuck you ever
The Germans also built a fake artillery on a very steep hill and the US and UK trained a special forces unit with specially made ballistic grapples to take it out. They battled almost straight up taking heavy losses to discover it was fake.
Didn’t know I accidentally wondered onto r/fakeasfuck This story isn’t true