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Worked for a company for 4 years, Year 4 gives me two weeks vacation. Boss sells company, I lose my earned two weeks and new owners state we must now work for a whole year before we can get a week. I live in the UK now, and between mandatory and holidays, I get 32 days off a year, paid.
The worst part about getting new work every few years, you never get a real vacation. Usually all the PTO is taken by sickness or getting more than one day off for holidays.
That’s exactly how it is. It's soul crushing to think "since I got sick and had to miss a week of work I either don't get paid or I have to say goodbye to my vacation days".
I'm from Mexico by the way, when I started working in 2021 my first job had a union so vacation days started at 12 days after one year. I changed jobs because that one sucked (I wasn't part of the union and if I tried to join I would have been fired anyway), my next job gave the mandatory 6 days minimum after one year. Absolutely fucking insane. I cannot imagine not having even that much.
Governments setting prices is communism!
The free market has to decide!
\*Companies setting RRSP to their dealers, and banning any that charge less effectively controlling the prices of their products\*
And People that are incapable of crime. And who also get to live in a socialist economy where the other people, you, help them out with bailouts and grants and whatnot.
The opposite happened at the company I am at. I am Canadian and have been working at a software company for 11 years. I got 5 weeks of vacation last year after I hit a 10 years mark, my company got bought by another Canadian company and they gave everybody with a 7 year of employment 5 weeks of vacation.
After 10 years employment (with same business) or for some, just 7 years, in Australia most of us are entitled to Long Service Leave, 3 months time off at full pay :)
[https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/long-service-leave](https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/long-service-leave)
It's a relic from ye olden dayes when many Aussies would get on a ship with their family and head off 'back' to the UK to catch up with family, apparently.
And yes, you can use it more than once, once you've qualified - it accrues at 9 days per year (from memory). And the balance owing is paid out along with other unused leave when you resign/retire.
It's not bad in the UK for paid leave, I've just taken a job working for my local city which offers 26 days paid leave plus bank holidays so a total of 34 days. We can earn extra days too with time served up to four extra days a year.
in my part of Canada vacation pay is 4% of your wage, 2 weeks off a year. once you've been employed for 8 years with the same company that increases to 6% and 3 weeks. We have 9 paid stat holidays a year. after 8 years of employment you'll have 24 paid days off a year, government workers however receive much more.
Crazy millions of illegal aliens risk so much to go to USA...all from countries with better PTO policies. Guess PTO policy is only one small piece of the puzzle. You are a bunch of complainers. You don't like your job quit, lots if jobs out there still. Will it take effort but yes, life is tough...it takes effort. Or create a "corporation" and becone your own boss.
Never had anything less than 30 days in Germany (working full-time/ 5 days per week). My girlfriend hit the jackpot: works 4 days a week and still has 30 days PTO.
Crucial question: Do you also receive Urlaubsgeld.
When I told a friend from the US about it \~10 years ago he reacted like
For sure... You get 30 days off, if you get sick during vacation you get the PTO back and in addition you get a 13th wage as vacation-pocket-money. Don't even try to fool me.
He moved to Germany in 2022 and works now in the same company with the same conditions.
Trade unions rock
If you get sick during PTO you get the affected days reimbursed - that's guaranteed by federal law.
As for 13th salary, that depends on your contract and if you're in a union. I worked for companies that pay 12, 13 or even 14 salaries, but that alone doesn't mean that total compensation is higher than at a company that only pays 12 salaries + bonus. Of course bonus packages can be quite juicy. Some companies also pay with stock options or offer a discount on company stock.
Trade unions are great, but can get disadvantageous if you're a highly skilled expert. I'm an engineer and my company is not unionized. However, our salaries and yearly salary progression is better than any of the unions.
Are there laws in Germany that restrict how much profit or percent profit a company can make?
Also are there laws requiring the lowest paid employee to be x ratio to the highest paid employee (ceo)?
For decades we had really strong trade unions (with shrinking membership numbers their influence decreased and the difference between top and bottom increased even more).
Also a huge point: Codetermination [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination\_in\_Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany)
Codetermination in Germany is a concept that involves the right of workers to participate in management of the companies they work for. Known as Mitbestimmung, the modern law on codetermination is found principally in the Mitbestimmungsgesetz of 1976. The law allows workers to elect representatives (usually trade union representatives) for almost half of the supervisory board of directors. The legislation is separate from the main German company law Act for public companies, the Aktiengesetz. It applies to public and private companies, so long as there are over 2,000 employees. For companies with 500–2,000 employees, one third of the supervisory board must be elected.
There is also legislation in Germany, known as the Betriebsverfassungsgesetz whereby workers are entitled to form Works Councils at the local shop floor level.
Damn! Aside from your totally made up German words (kidding) this sounds awesome.
It’s kind of like the movie bugs life. The ants outnumber the crickets 100 times yet the crickets maintain power.
It should only be logical that the masses (employees) decide who is in charge.
Perhaps it’s a result of prior German history - but that being said, the best nations are progressive nations. Tradition is for the dead.
It's the same in the Netherlands. There's a legal minimum of (not 100% sure, but I think) 21 days PTO. On top of that also 8% holiday allowance (vakantiegeld). Also when you're sick during your holiday you get the PTO back.
If you are sick, you cannot take sick days as that doesn't exist. If you're sick, you just take the day off and get paid regardless up to 2 years before you can get fired and the government gives you social security.
Most companies give you 27/28 days PTO though. It's not bad honestly.
Same for Norway. We get "feriepenger", a direct translation of urlaubsgeld or vacation money in english.
But it is basically our own salary. Salaries for the 11 other months are deducted 11% each that are set aside, then paid out on june payment. This ensures that even the most unstructured of employees (me) not just have money to take time off but even a bit extra for the vacation.
I work 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so I don’t get vacations because 6 months out of the year I technically am not working anyway. I would say tho, this should be for everyone. My company also provides maternity and paternity leave and good health care, but I recognize everyone should get that and not everyone does. I wish there was something more we could do besides continue to complain about it. Government of the people for the people by the people.
Edit: for clarification, I didn’t mean everyone should only work 6 months out of the year lol
I work 2-2-3 schedule, so technically I also only work 6 months a year, but those 6 months that I do work are all 12 hour shifts. But I also started at 4 weeks vacation, 5 weeks at 5 years and 6 weeks at 10 years. Also, generous maternity and paternity leave (3 months for paternity, but of course I started here after I had my 3 kids and got a vasectomy). Good Healthcare, crazy 401k match + a free 7% of salary as pension on top. However, I've worked many jobs and know first hand how lucky I am. This is so far from the norm in the US.
My current company in the US started me out at 4 weeks a year with 2 floating holidays and 12 paid holidays. There are individual companies that give a shit.
Yep, but default You get 20 days and the other 6 after working 2-6 years, depending on what school You finished.
A lot of employers don't give a f... and straight up gives 26 to everyone.
In the UK, and with my company if you don't book enough holidays by a certain point in the year, the manager will just start allocating you holiday days. With over 50 staff, you obviously can't have everyone on holiday at the same time. The manager will keep reminding people but if you've not booked, then you'll be given random days off as holidays. So yes, they do make you take them. Some companies will allow you to carry unused days over, but mine doesn't.
In Italy, companies have to pay you extra for the holidays you did not take. And they don't like that.
Last year they made me take days off, I chose to stay home every monday for two months. (Because my partner works in a store and it's closed on Monday)
Thanks for the insight. I wasn't trying to be a smartass with my question--we were considering having mandatory vacation time for our employees here in the US, but we asked ourselves "are we really going to force people to take 4 weeks off if they don't want them?"
If they're being assigned random days off, do people ever get stressed that their work isn't getting done? I know personally the weeks before and after my vacation are among the worst because I have to try and wrap up as much as I can before I leave, or scramble when I come back to get caught up.
They might be stressed if they have a crap manager, but any good one should account for the holiday well in advance and plan accordingly. I don't think I've ever worked anywhere where it has been an issue.
Ours are in summer over December/January - so basically the whole country except retail/hospitality shuts down for 3/4 weeks and everyone takes their leave then.
If you’re not a shut down over summer business, you would usually use them sporadically for long weekends or if your kids have a sports day you want off and then a week here and there. And if you’re really smart, you look up when all the long weekends are, like Easter or anniversary weekends and book off two or three days and wind up with a two week holiday.
Yes. Your employer is obliged to make you take your days off. If they don't, they have to pay a fine. (where I live, there's some leeway, you can transfer your allocated days off over the next year, but not longer than that). This is because otherwise employers might pressure their employees to give up their time off or pay out an equivalent, which wouldn't help you recover, and that's the whole point of of these laws. If you have unused days off when you're leaving the company, they have to pay you out an equivalent salary, so the employers won't try to get around these laws by firing and hiring people to "reset" these mandatory days off.
In Mexico (where I live), it's not like they'll force you to take your vacation days, but they can't stop you from taking them either. If your boss tries to deny your right to rest, you can sue them and win.
Portugal here. The employer schedules half your vacation and the employee is free to schedule the other half as he sees fit. You have until April of the next year to enjoy your days off from the previous year. Each year you get 22 days off (paid in full).
So in Canada (Ontario) for part time or shift workers, you get paid for them, as a 4% increase in salary. Then you can just book time off unpaid but you’re being compensated. For full time workers, obviously you’re entitled to the paid work days, but the employer can refuse them according to your schedule. They do have to give them to you, but it can be on their schedule. However if they do dictate your vacation days, it has to be in one week increments. Not perfect but it’s something.
More like you are constitutionally protected to take them; Cannot be denied, cannot be punished for going completely offline, no question asked and the company can be finned if employees are not taking their allotted PTO.
Just remember that ‘accrued leave’ (which is what paid time off is formally known as in Australia) is a liability on a company’s balance sheet. It’s in a company’s best interest to minimize that liability, that is, to have their workers take their accrued leave.
Brazilian here, if you don't take the vacation the company has to pay you 2 months salary as a fine, so it's usually the company forcing you so they don't expend the extra money.
Yup, in Australia it's 4 work weeks per year for leave.
Then theres 2 weeks per year of personal leave (sick leave) and some bereavement leave and I think maybe some others, but they're super situation specific.
The vacation leave is cumulative, the only catch is that businesses can ask you to use it sooner (so you don't just end up with like 6 months out of office but still on payroll).
I'd never even used bereavement leave until last year, I didn't even realize it was a thing, but it was nice to know that I wasn't having to take holiday leave because my cousin died.
I just accepted a job with seven weeks of paid vacation. We can take at least four during the summer months.
Also, when on vacation we get 13% ”vacation pay” on top of the regular salary. 🤷♂️
In the states. 5 weeks vacation = 75 days off (15 paid). 12 sick days per year. Holiday time bank independent of vacation or PTO.
Working healthcare with the ability to make your own schedule has major perks.
Also in the states.
Current place? Accumulating vacation time up to like 300ish hours so around 12 days I believe. We run through most holidays in rotation. Accumulate bonus off time if we maintain attendance. Working on or being called in during holidays is immediate triple time starting from the time you answer the phone.
Last place? No. 0. You get nothing. Holidays are a figment of your imagination UNLESS the country shuts down for it then maybe. Weekends don't exist. You may get 1 small turkey around Thanksgiving.
Current is mining. Last was engineering.
Whoever made this graphic deserves to be fired. The third and second darkest shades of blue are waaay to close to each other to easily tell them apart.
Oh it definitely is, more and more, and eventually well-meaning idiots will get regulations like this passed and we'll all be wage slaves with nice vacation packages. We're on our way to feudalism again except with pre-paid cruises once a year.
Good to finally see African Warlords realizing the importance of work/life balance. Jesus. I can’t speak for others, but I’m in NY State working in Pharmaceutical Manufacturing. We work M-Thursday 6-4:15pm with roughly one Friday worked a month. PTO of 4 weeks annually plus a week long maintenance shutdown during the weeks of July 4 and Christmas. Paid. So, total of 6 weeks from day one of employment. Hard work but plenty of time off. Honestly, the company almost has to offer great benefits because they are located literally in the middle of Jack Shit nowhere. My commute is 1 hour 20 minutes one way, but the bonus is plenty of cows to keep you company during the ride. Who doesn’t love cows though? A milk tap straight from God…
I mean... I'm not gonna say this isn't true. I haven't done the research, but I'm 31, have had several jobs in my time, and I have never met anyone, let alone myself, who has had a job with no PTO time. So, although it's not mandatory, I have a feeling it's very rare for a job to offer 0 PTO.
Benefits are locked behind a Bachelor's Degree Or Higher paywall of multiple tens of thousands of dollars, and the service industry - even **if** they offer benefits which I've never gotten in twenty years - makes actually using your benefits effectively impossible. I remember back when I worked for Starbucks they made a big deal about offering health insurance, but when I went to sign up for it the cheapest plan was fully half my monthly income; In the 8 years I worked for the company, I never worked with a single person below Manager level who could actually afford the insurance being offered to us.
Honest to White Baby American Jesus my only career goal now is to have a job that gives me a chair and expects me to sit in it.
You clearly haven’t worked in blue collar jobs, restaurants, warehousing, retail, child care, teaching, or many of the other jobs that this is standard.
I mean, it was pretty easy to find. Looks like about [70-80%](https://www.marketwatch.com/guides/business/pto-statistics/#toc-pto-by-region) of jobs offer PTO in some form. So about 1 out of every 3-5 jobs offer zero PTO and of the ones that do, it ranges from 11-22 days per year depending on the industry, which really isn't much. The jobs that don't offer PTO heavily skew towards the bottom of the pay scale. So while most jobs do offer it, it should still be mandatory. Poor people deserve breaks too.
I've also worked a lot of shitty jobs. McDonald's, mom n pop restaurants, sales, factory work, etc. they all offered PTO. i can't imagine which jobs don't offer any
Dunkin didn't when I worked there years ago. I've worked for multiple construction companies that didn't offer any PTO for hourly guys (they could take unpaid days off though obviously). It is absolutely a thing in the US.
A company I worked for in the US offered PTO, \*if\* you brought in a doctors note. They didn't have medical coverage offered, So, in order to claim my PTO, I'd have to spend approx $200 to see a doctor. Which put me at a net loss for the sick day. So yes, they \*offered\* it......... Over here, I can self certify I'm sick, for 7 days, without needing a sick note.
I've worked for multiple large construction companies it's that didn't offer any PTO to the hourly guys in the field. I can only imagine that some of the mom and pops were similar.
Dunkin also didn't offer any until you had accrued multiple years of service when I worked there, so most employees effectively had none.
Same is also true in the opposite direction. Average in Germany is 28 days (+ 10-12 public holidays \[also PTO\], depending on the state the person is working in) while only 20 are mandatory (or 24 if one is working 6 days/week) by law.
I'm 46 years old, live in the US, and have never had a paid vacation. That really deosn't bother me. It doesn't mean I haven't taken a day off because I was sick or haven't had a vacation.
I'm 46 yo in the UK and I've never worked my birthday and I've been paid for taking it off.
I've worked for the same company for 26 years and have built up to 30 days paid per year. Every year.
[Edit] and we get 6 bank holidays, paid.
for people saying they have PTO in the US I suggest taking a look at r/antiwork. In most countries that have mandatory paid vacation, the company cannot deny PTO.
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/Gq8wqxQR2S
In the northern regions of russia, additional days of paid leave are provided. If you are a teacher in a northern region, you have 72 days a year.
But salary sucks))
Ireland gets 32, we get 22 mandatory days, 10 public holidays. I get 36 days total as my company gives more days as part of the package (22+4 extra+10 public).
I’ve been at my full time job now for 15 months and haven’t even accumulated 7 hours of vacation time…it’s f..king insulting. The only upside is that I’m in California so they have to pay that time when I quit. Still…USA, USA! Best country in the world my ass!
Pretty sure in Brazil it's around the same amount as places like the UK? Mandatory 30 day paid vacation that's either given at once or split into 2 of 15 by law.
Down vote alert:
And yet… US GDP is at 25.22% of global GDP with only 4.3% of global population!
So get back to work you lazy vacation loving work shy prols!!!
/s
I can't even stand *just* having 4-5 weeks of vacation per year.
I prefer working lkmg shifts, having either every other or every third week off (*plus* 4-5 aditional weeks of vacation on top), for about 22-23 (non-consecutive) weeks off in total.
Haven't had an 8 hour / 5 days per week job in decades, and I can no longer even imagine doing it.
Working 4-5 (or more) days per week, 47-48 weeks per year, seems like a nightmare to me.
Working 50-52 weeks per year is just incomprehensible, *unless* if I was self-employed and doing it ***purely*** by own choice, because I found it rewarding and fun.
Funny to see once Austrian on top lol
30 days here with as good as always a 13th and 14th yearly salary. Named holiday salary what you get around may/June and one for Christmas in november
19 states have mandatory PTO. I know that’s not most states, but there are still a decent number of people in the US that still have mandated PTO.
I hate maps like these because it only takes into account what the federal government says and not the unique laws of each individual state.
Just work for the fed.
All federal holidays. Specific hours of leave per pay period that increases with time of service, pension, 40 hour work weeks, OT converts into future leave.
Why haven’t you taken the federal pill?
So I live and work in Germany most companies I worked for and friends worked for always had 30 days paid vacation that’s the lowest I ever saw. The highest I had when I worked as a security guard for an abandoned site was 36 days per year.
Tomorrow my last day before my 44 days vacation. Every year garanteed, one every two years they compensate my(+1kid) tickets almost in size of my salary. And i'm simple 12v+screwdriver guy of measurment department.
Just think about how our society would change if we actually gave a shit about people and their time? I work for myself and have to allot a couple thousand out of my tax account to pay myself for taking time off during the year, then I have to write it off so I don’t run out of tax money. It’s the only way I get a day off. The past 2 years I have not taken any time off because if I do the bills don’t get paid. It’s completely fucked. Edit: I live in the US.
I just got let go from a company where I worked for five years. I made it through two mergers, and the third one decimated the company. I was given two weeks of vacation every year, which you lost if you didn’t use it, and I only managed to use five days for one vacation in those five years. Every one of my requests were denied except the one. It was a once in a lifetime trip and I basically told them I was going whether it was approved or not.
It’s bullshit that the only way for me to actually use my pto was to do that. I had to remind them all the way up to the day I left for that vacation that it was happening because I kept getting work piled on me up to the last minute. I really believe they were trying to overload me so I would cancel my trip last minute but I didn’t, and just left and let them know that the work I was given either needed to be reassigned or would have to wait until I returned. When I got back I still had that work waiting for me, and a new giant pile underneath it.
That job took everything out of me and then left me in the gutter with basically nothing. Times have really changed in the US, it never used to be like this even just twenty years ago. Corporate greed and abuse is out of control.
Treating the US as if it doesn't consist of 50 diverse states with independent legislatures running 50 different experiments spread across 3MM square miles.
In the NL I had to use holidays and still accumulated so much that they had compensate it me with couple of thousands euro for unused vacation days when the contracxt finished.
Not having obligatory vacations is some 19th century underdeveloped country shit.
I live in one of the 21-22 days country, and i must tell you it doesn't help anyone once you see the big picture, your paid vacation has a cost, and guess who is paying it? Hint: it is not the employer.
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Worked for a company for 4 years, Year 4 gives me two weeks vacation. Boss sells company, I lose my earned two weeks and new owners state we must now work for a whole year before we can get a week. I live in the UK now, and between mandatory and holidays, I get 32 days off a year, paid.
The worst part about getting new work every few years, you never get a real vacation. Usually all the PTO is taken by sickness or getting more than one day off for holidays.
Having to spend PTO for sickness is fucking bonkers.
Or, like my last (asshole boss), they just don’t pay you out for it.
That’s exactly how it is. It's soul crushing to think "since I got sick and had to miss a week of work I either don't get paid or I have to say goodbye to my vacation days". I'm from Mexico by the way, when I started working in 2021 my first job had a union so vacation days started at 12 days after one year. I changed jobs because that one sucked (I wasn't part of the union and if I tried to join I would have been fired anyway), my next job gave the mandatory 6 days minimum after one year. Absolutely fucking insane. I cannot imagine not having even that much.
Because in America the government protects corporations, not people! Wait a second, the government said corporations ARE people… Huh!
Capitalism is just corporate communism
Governments setting prices is communism! The free market has to decide! \*Companies setting RRSP to their dealers, and banning any that charge less effectively controlling the prices of their products\*
North Korea is also at 0. But there every day is a holiday
Indeed! Corporations have been bailed out much more than people. It’s so backwards
Almost like they consider *only* corporations to be people.
And People that are incapable of crime. And who also get to live in a socialist economy where the other people, you, help them out with bailouts and grants and whatnot.
Hah exactly
Why else would you spend millions of dollars to win a job that paid very little?
i mean- we voted in people that said that corporations are now people sooooo
The opposite happened at the company I am at. I am Canadian and have been working at a software company for 11 years. I got 5 weeks of vacation last year after I hit a 10 years mark, my company got bought by another Canadian company and they gave everybody with a 7 year of employment 5 weeks of vacation.
After 10 years employment (with same business) or for some, just 7 years, in Australia most of us are entitled to Long Service Leave, 3 months time off at full pay :) [https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/long-service-leave](https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/long-service-leave) It's a relic from ye olden dayes when many Aussies would get on a ship with their family and head off 'back' to the UK to catch up with family, apparently. And yes, you can use it more than once, once you've qualified - it accrues at 9 days per year (from memory). And the balance owing is paid out along with other unused leave when you resign/retire.
I'll never understand why so many people wanna move there. Everything you hear about the usa is unimaginable in most other countries
When it's the norm, you don't realize it's wrong.
It's not bad in the UK for paid leave, I've just taken a job working for my local city which offers 26 days paid leave plus bank holidays so a total of 34 days. We can earn extra days too with time served up to four extra days a year.
in my part of Canada vacation pay is 4% of your wage, 2 weeks off a year. once you've been employed for 8 years with the same company that increases to 6% and 3 weeks. We have 9 paid stat holidays a year. after 8 years of employment you'll have 24 paid days off a year, government workers however receive much more.
Should have had nobody show up for work until that got fixed.
Right to work state. Don't show up, get fired. Boss doesn't like your hair color? Get fired.....
So they fire everyone? Big waste of money buying a business that has no workers.
Crazy millions of illegal aliens risk so much to go to USA...all from countries with better PTO policies. Guess PTO policy is only one small piece of the puzzle. You are a bunch of complainers. You don't like your job quit, lots if jobs out there still. Will it take effort but yes, life is tough...it takes effort. Or create a "corporation" and becone your own boss.
Never had anything less than 30 days in Germany (working full-time/ 5 days per week). My girlfriend hit the jackpot: works 4 days a week and still has 30 days PTO.
Crucial question: Do you also receive Urlaubsgeld. When I told a friend from the US about it \~10 years ago he reacted like For sure... You get 30 days off, if you get sick during vacation you get the PTO back and in addition you get a 13th wage as vacation-pocket-money. Don't even try to fool me. He moved to Germany in 2022 and works now in the same company with the same conditions. Trade unions rock
If you get sick during PTO you get the affected days reimbursed - that's guaranteed by federal law. As for 13th salary, that depends on your contract and if you're in a union. I worked for companies that pay 12, 13 or even 14 salaries, but that alone doesn't mean that total compensation is higher than at a company that only pays 12 salaries + bonus. Of course bonus packages can be quite juicy. Some companies also pay with stock options or offer a discount on company stock. Trade unions are great, but can get disadvantageous if you're a highly skilled expert. I'm an engineer and my company is not unionized. However, our salaries and yearly salary progression is better than any of the unions.
Are there laws in Germany that restrict how much profit or percent profit a company can make? Also are there laws requiring the lowest paid employee to be x ratio to the highest paid employee (ceo)?
‘No’ on both counts.
Damn, so corporations over there simply aren’t life sucking, profit driven, greedy assholes eh?
For decades we had really strong trade unions (with shrinking membership numbers their influence decreased and the difference between top and bottom increased even more). Also a huge point: Codetermination [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination\_in\_Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany) Codetermination in Germany is a concept that involves the right of workers to participate in management of the companies they work for. Known as Mitbestimmung, the modern law on codetermination is found principally in the Mitbestimmungsgesetz of 1976. The law allows workers to elect representatives (usually trade union representatives) for almost half of the supervisory board of directors. The legislation is separate from the main German company law Act for public companies, the Aktiengesetz. It applies to public and private companies, so long as there are over 2,000 employees. For companies with 500–2,000 employees, one third of the supervisory board must be elected. There is also legislation in Germany, known as the Betriebsverfassungsgesetz whereby workers are entitled to form Works Councils at the local shop floor level.
Damn! Aside from your totally made up German words (kidding) this sounds awesome. It’s kind of like the movie bugs life. The ants outnumber the crickets 100 times yet the crickets maintain power. It should only be logical that the masses (employees) decide who is in charge. Perhaps it’s a result of prior German history - but that being said, the best nations are progressive nations. Tradition is for the dead.
Afaik no.
It's the same in the Netherlands. There's a legal minimum of (not 100% sure, but I think) 21 days PTO. On top of that also 8% holiday allowance (vakantiegeld). Also when you're sick during your holiday you get the PTO back. If you are sick, you cannot take sick days as that doesn't exist. If you're sick, you just take the day off and get paid regardless up to 2 years before you can get fired and the government gives you social security. Most companies give you 27/28 days PTO though. It's not bad honestly.
Also you only have to work line 3 or 5 years or something and be eligible for full state pension.
Same for Norway. We get "feriepenger", a direct translation of urlaubsgeld or vacation money in english. But it is basically our own salary. Salaries for the 11 other months are deducted 11% each that are set aside, then paid out on june payment. This ensures that even the most unstructured of employees (me) not just have money to take time off but even a bit extra for the vacation.
I get 30 days off a year, federal holidays, rewarded days off, steady pay increases. Then again, I'm in the military.
I work 2 weeks on 2 weeks off so I don’t get vacations because 6 months out of the year I technically am not working anyway. I would say tho, this should be for everyone. My company also provides maternity and paternity leave and good health care, but I recognize everyone should get that and not everyone does. I wish there was something more we could do besides continue to complain about it. Government of the people for the people by the people. Edit: for clarification, I didn’t mean everyone should only work 6 months out of the year lol
Exactly! Hell, I get 3 months paid off for paternity and I don't pay anything for healthcare (they are a pain to work with though).
I work 2-2-3 schedule, so technically I also only work 6 months a year, but those 6 months that I do work are all 12 hour shifts. But I also started at 4 weeks vacation, 5 weeks at 5 years and 6 weeks at 10 years. Also, generous maternity and paternity leave (3 months for paternity, but of course I started here after I had my 3 kids and got a vasectomy). Good Healthcare, crazy 401k match + a free 7% of salary as pension on top. However, I've worked many jobs and know first hand how lucky I am. This is so far from the norm in the US.
I think everyone should. Work to live, don't live to work.
I get the same but I’m a local government employee
The Congo? Where are they pulling those numbers? Which faction?
I'm pretty lost as to how the places using slave labor have mandated vacation time.
Even in these countries, most people have a normal job with a contract and legal rights.
How many of these countries have you been to?
2-3
slaving can be tough job. not only physically but also emotionally understandably slavers have to take off some days to recuperate.
It's part of the government's labour code?
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Pretty crazy they also have the highest rates of suicide. It’s almost like you can’t draw conclusions on happiness from a map on vacation time.
More time to consider how meaningless their lives are?
I don’t think this is accurate
Edited comment- OP shared source below.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country For some reason my source post got downvoted
Ahhh, understood. Lemme edit my comment!
My current company in the US started me out at 4 weeks a year with 2 floating holidays and 12 paid holidays. There are individual companies that give a shit.
I would love the source for this.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_annual_leave_by_country For some reason my source post got downvoted
Mostly people in Poland got 26 days. So the map is incorrect.
Yep, but default You get 20 days and the other 6 after working 2-6 years, depending on what school You finished. A lot of employers don't give a f... and straight up gives 26 to everyone.
Is the school thing like what type of qualification? Like some trades get more holidays or something?
Nah, depends on the level. If You finish the uni, You need to work 2 years only. If You finish trade school, it's 6, as far as I remember.
Brazil is also wrong, it's a full month, it's only less if you missed too many work days without a proper motive.
How do they make them mandatory? Do they prevent you from working?
In the UK, and with my company if you don't book enough holidays by a certain point in the year, the manager will just start allocating you holiday days. With over 50 staff, you obviously can't have everyone on holiday at the same time. The manager will keep reminding people but if you've not booked, then you'll be given random days off as holidays. So yes, they do make you take them. Some companies will allow you to carry unused days over, but mine doesn't.
In Italy, companies have to pay you extra for the holidays you did not take. And they don't like that. Last year they made me take days off, I chose to stay home every monday for two months. (Because my partner works in a store and it's closed on Monday)
Thanks for the insight. I wasn't trying to be a smartass with my question--we were considering having mandatory vacation time for our employees here in the US, but we asked ourselves "are we really going to force people to take 4 weeks off if they don't want them?" If they're being assigned random days off, do people ever get stressed that their work isn't getting done? I know personally the weeks before and after my vacation are among the worst because I have to try and wrap up as much as I can before I leave, or scramble when I come back to get caught up.
They might be stressed if they have a crap manager, but any good one should account for the holiday well in advance and plan accordingly. I don't think I've ever worked anywhere where it has been an issue.
Ours are in summer over December/January - so basically the whole country except retail/hospitality shuts down for 3/4 weeks and everyone takes their leave then. If you’re not a shut down over summer business, you would usually use them sporadically for long weekends or if your kids have a sports day you want off and then a week here and there. And if you’re really smart, you look up when all the long weekends are, like Easter or anniversary weekends and book off two or three days and wind up with a two week holiday.
Yes. Your employer is obliged to make you take your days off. If they don't, they have to pay a fine. (where I live, there's some leeway, you can transfer your allocated days off over the next year, but not longer than that). This is because otherwise employers might pressure their employees to give up their time off or pay out an equivalent, which wouldn't help you recover, and that's the whole point of of these laws. If you have unused days off when you're leaving the company, they have to pay you out an equivalent salary, so the employers won't try to get around these laws by firing and hiring people to "reset" these mandatory days off.
In Mexico (where I live), it's not like they'll force you to take your vacation days, but they can't stop you from taking them either. If your boss tries to deny your right to rest, you can sue them and win.
Yes.
Portugal here. The employer schedules half your vacation and the employee is free to schedule the other half as he sees fit. You have until April of the next year to enjoy your days off from the previous year. Each year you get 22 days off (paid in full).
So in Canada (Ontario) for part time or shift workers, you get paid for them, as a 4% increase in salary. Then you can just book time off unpaid but you’re being compensated. For full time workers, obviously you’re entitled to the paid work days, but the employer can refuse them according to your schedule. They do have to give them to you, but it can be on their schedule. However if they do dictate your vacation days, it has to be in one week increments. Not perfect but it’s something.
More like you are constitutionally protected to take them; Cannot be denied, cannot be punished for going completely offline, no question asked and the company can be finned if employees are not taking their allotted PTO.
Just remember that ‘accrued leave’ (which is what paid time off is formally known as in Australia) is a liability on a company’s balance sheet. It’s in a company’s best interest to minimize that liability, that is, to have their workers take their accrued leave.
Brazilian here, if you don't take the vacation the company has to pay you 2 months salary as a fine, so it's usually the company forcing you so they don't expend the extra money.
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Yup, in Australia it's 4 work weeks per year for leave. Then theres 2 weeks per year of personal leave (sick leave) and some bereavement leave and I think maybe some others, but they're super situation specific. The vacation leave is cumulative, the only catch is that businesses can ask you to use it sooner (so you don't just end up with like 6 months out of office but still on payroll). I'd never even used bereavement leave until last year, I didn't even realize it was a thing, but it was nice to know that I wasn't having to take holiday leave because my cousin died.
The two blues 16-22 days are too close to be useful
And its also wrong. Estonia offers 28 days minimum. I get 35 days with my mental health problems.
This map has weird 5/7 normalization for no reason, I think.
This is outdated(if correct at all).
Inaccurate standard in Middle East is on month.
Map is wrong, as always. 28 day paid vacation in Estonia.
How else are CEOs supposed to afford their 3rd vacation mansion?
I just accepted a job with seven weeks of paid vacation. We can take at least four during the summer months. Also, when on vacation we get 13% ”vacation pay” on top of the regular salary. 🤷♂️
We have 30+ days paid vacacion in germany. Who made this map?
America fuck yeah
If you are in the military it’s guaranteed ! Go military industrial complex!
Sad data! I am 49 and am working the 2nd job with paid vacation and I have been working since I was 15. Paid Insurance availability is about the same.
Biggest group of suckers in modern history.
In the states. 5 weeks vacation = 75 days off (15 paid). 12 sick days per year. Holiday time bank independent of vacation or PTO. Working healthcare with the ability to make your own schedule has major perks.
Also in the states. Current place? Accumulating vacation time up to like 300ish hours so around 12 days I believe. We run through most holidays in rotation. Accumulate bonus off time if we maintain attendance. Working on or being called in during holidays is immediate triple time starting from the time you answer the phone. Last place? No. 0. You get nothing. Holidays are a figment of your imagination UNLESS the country shuts down for it then maybe. Weekends don't exist. You may get 1 small turkey around Thanksgiving. Current is mining. Last was engineering.
Canada fucking sucks
The graphic is also wrong because you get a minimum of two weeks off
Depends on province, but most aren't two weeks until after 1 year of employment
Whoever made this graphic deserves to be fired. The third and second darkest shades of blue are waaay to close to each other to easily tell them apart.
no data doesnt mean no vacation. it means no data 🙄
Which country do you mean? North Korea?
The US is grey for “no mandatory days”, not white
Damn even China has paid time off
This seems like a great idea for countries that want to be run by a handful of mega corporations
Cries in Canada
As opposed to the US, that isn't run by mega corporations right...
Oh it definitely is, more and more, and eventually well-meaning idiots will get regulations like this passed and we'll all be wage slaves with nice vacation packages. We're on our way to feudalism again except with pre-paid cruises once a year.
Now do GDPs
Why use different shades of one colour, why not different colours to mark the differences?
Good to finally see African Warlords realizing the importance of work/life balance. Jesus. I can’t speak for others, but I’m in NY State working in Pharmaceutical Manufacturing. We work M-Thursday 6-4:15pm with roughly one Friday worked a month. PTO of 4 weeks annually plus a week long maintenance shutdown during the weeks of July 4 and Christmas. Paid. So, total of 6 weeks from day one of employment. Hard work but plenty of time off. Honestly, the company almost has to offer great benefits because they are located literally in the middle of Jack Shit nowhere. My commute is 1 hour 20 minutes one way, but the bonus is plenty of cows to keep you company during the ride. Who doesn’t love cows though? A milk tap straight from God…
I mean... I'm not gonna say this isn't true. I haven't done the research, but I'm 31, have had several jobs in my time, and I have never met anyone, let alone myself, who has had a job with no PTO time. So, although it's not mandatory, I have a feeling it's very rare for a job to offer 0 PTO.
I'd say that relies heavily on what field of work you've been in. There are plenty of positions that offer zero benefits of any sort.
Benefits are locked behind a Bachelor's Degree Or Higher paywall of multiple tens of thousands of dollars, and the service industry - even **if** they offer benefits which I've never gotten in twenty years - makes actually using your benefits effectively impossible. I remember back when I worked for Starbucks they made a big deal about offering health insurance, but when I went to sign up for it the cheapest plan was fully half my monthly income; In the 8 years I worked for the company, I never worked with a single person below Manager level who could actually afford the insurance being offered to us. Honest to White Baby American Jesus my only career goal now is to have a job that gives me a chair and expects me to sit in it.
I think this is government mandates
You clearly haven’t worked in blue collar jobs, restaurants, warehousing, retail, child care, teaching, or many of the other jobs that this is standard.
I mean, it was pretty easy to find. Looks like about [70-80%](https://www.marketwatch.com/guides/business/pto-statistics/#toc-pto-by-region) of jobs offer PTO in some form. So about 1 out of every 3-5 jobs offer zero PTO and of the ones that do, it ranges from 11-22 days per year depending on the industry, which really isn't much. The jobs that don't offer PTO heavily skew towards the bottom of the pay scale. So while most jobs do offer it, it should still be mandatory. Poor people deserve breaks too.
I've also worked a lot of shitty jobs. McDonald's, mom n pop restaurants, sales, factory work, etc. they all offered PTO. i can't imagine which jobs don't offer any
Dunkin didn't when I worked there years ago. I've worked for multiple construction companies that didn't offer any PTO for hourly guys (they could take unpaid days off though obviously). It is absolutely a thing in the US.
A company I worked for in the US offered PTO, \*if\* you brought in a doctors note. They didn't have medical coverage offered, So, in order to claim my PTO, I'd have to spend approx $200 to see a doctor. Which put me at a net loss for the sick day. So yes, they \*offered\* it......... Over here, I can self certify I'm sick, for 7 days, without needing a sick note.
Spend money to see a doctor?🙄
I've worked for multiple large construction companies it's that didn't offer any PTO to the hourly guys in the field. I can only imagine that some of the mom and pops were similar. Dunkin also didn't offer any until you had accrued multiple years of service when I worked there, so most employees effectively had none.
Same is also true in the opposite direction. Average in Germany is 28 days (+ 10-12 public holidays \[also PTO\], depending on the state the person is working in) while only 20 are mandatory (or 24 if one is working 6 days/week) by law.
Go look at the growing trend of "unlimited PTO." It's about as close to 0 PTO as corporations can get without losing employees.
McDonald's employees in Europe get paid vacation.
I'm 46 years old, live in the US, and have never had a paid vacation. That really deosn't bother me. It doesn't mean I haven't taken a day off because I was sick or haven't had a vacation.
Hell even mcdonalds offers paid vacation now
I'm 46 yo in the UK and I've never worked my birthday and I've been paid for taking it off. I've worked for the same company for 26 years and have built up to 30 days paid per year. Every year. [Edit] and we get 6 bank holidays, paid.
Yep.. me too.. I have yet to work a birthday in 20 years ..Its a policy that I have had with every company that Ive worked at.
for people saying they have PTO in the US I suggest taking a look at r/antiwork. In most countries that have mandatory paid vacation, the company cannot deny PTO. https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/Gq8wqxQR2S
We literally took the Prussian education model and said, “hold my beer”.
In the northern regions of russia, additional days of paid leave are provided. If you are a teacher in a northern region, you have 72 days a year. But salary sucks))
Is this some kind of mega Mercator projection? Greenland looks larger than Africa (on a globe Greenland has less area than Algeria)
Ireland gets 32, we get 22 mandatory days, 10 public holidays. I get 36 days total as my company gives more days as part of the package (22+4 extra+10 public).
I'd appreciate it if you took countries that don't have weekends off this map.
We don’t need days off due to exceptionalism.
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Saudi is wrong!
In Brazil it’s 30 days
I have unmanaged PTO and I don't need approval, I just need to communicate it.
Uganda!
I’ve been at my full time job now for 15 months and haven’t even accumulated 7 hours of vacation time…it’s f..king insulting. The only upside is that I’m in California so they have to pay that time when I quit. Still…USA, USA! Best country in the world my ass!
Weird, my job is asking me to take off lol
Pretty sure in Brazil it's around the same amount as places like the UK? Mandatory 30 day paid vacation that's either given at once or split into 2 of 15 by law.
here i am in the US getting 6 weeks off a year, 7 after 1 more year with company.
Down vote alert: And yet… US GDP is at 25.22% of global GDP with only 4.3% of global population! So get back to work you lazy vacation loving work shy prols!!! /s
I can't even stand *just* having 4-5 weeks of vacation per year. I prefer working lkmg shifts, having either every other or every third week off (*plus* 4-5 aditional weeks of vacation on top), for about 22-23 (non-consecutive) weeks off in total. Haven't had an 8 hour / 5 days per week job in decades, and I can no longer even imagine doing it. Working 4-5 (or more) days per week, 47-48 weeks per year, seems like a nightmare to me. Working 50-52 weeks per year is just incomprehensible, *unless* if I was self-employed and doing it ***purely*** by own choice, because I found it rewarding and fun.
Funny to see once Austrian on top lol 30 days here with as good as always a 13th and 14th yearly salary. Named holiday salary what you get around may/June and one for Christmas in november
I can’t be the only one clocking Yemen here…
I got 26 days (iirc) when I was a federal employee.
This is misleading. It is enforced at the state level due to government separation. Rebuild this map with the US split into states.
Russia is a bit off. You get 28 days normally but you get double that if you live in the north.
19 states have mandatory PTO. I know that’s not most states, but there are still a decent number of people in the US that still have mandated PTO. I hate maps like these because it only takes into account what the federal government says and not the unique laws of each individual state.
Now do one for healthcare that won’t kill you with bills 😬 can anyone guess the outcome 😂
My job was so pissed off when I asked for vacation time. They make you feel like you are an asshole
We're supposed to get 2 weeks in Canada, so this is a bit off.
Just work for the fed. All federal holidays. Specific hours of leave per pay period that increases with time of service, pension, 40 hour work weeks, OT converts into future leave. Why haven’t you taken the federal pill?
Lol cambodia doesn't get any -this is definitely misinformation
Weird, I live in the USA and I have paid vacation, and free medical and dental. Huh…
I find it funny how even a work focused country like Japan has mandatory paid holidays, when the USA doesn't lol
And I have never had a job that was less than 10 days. Current employer is 15+2 days. More with longer employment.
In America you have to work for the government to get a shit ton of hours for leave or a really good company
My friend in Sweden makes time and a half in vacation because they want to make sure you take it....
So I live and work in Germany most companies I worked for and friends worked for always had 30 days paid vacation that’s the lowest I ever saw. The highest I had when I worked as a security guard for an abandoned site was 36 days per year.
That's it! I'm moving to Greenland.
Tomorrow my last day before my 44 days vacation. Every year garanteed, one every two years they compensate my(+1kid) tickets almost in size of my salary. And i'm simple 12v+screwdriver guy of measurment department.
What’s up in Oman?
Just think about how our society would change if we actually gave a shit about people and their time? I work for myself and have to allot a couple thousand out of my tax account to pay myself for taking time off during the year, then I have to write it off so I don’t run out of tax money. It’s the only way I get a day off. The past 2 years I have not taken any time off because if I do the bills don’t get paid. It’s completely fucked. Edit: I live in the US.
I just got let go from a company where I worked for five years. I made it through two mergers, and the third one decimated the company. I was given two weeks of vacation every year, which you lost if you didn’t use it, and I only managed to use five days for one vacation in those five years. Every one of my requests were denied except the one. It was a once in a lifetime trip and I basically told them I was going whether it was approved or not. It’s bullshit that the only way for me to actually use my pto was to do that. I had to remind them all the way up to the day I left for that vacation that it was happening because I kept getting work piled on me up to the last minute. I really believe they were trying to overload me so I would cancel my trip last minute but I didn’t, and just left and let them know that the work I was given either needed to be reassigned or would have to wait until I returned. When I got back I still had that work waiting for me, and a new giant pile underneath it. That job took everything out of me and then left me in the gutter with basically nothing. Times have really changed in the US, it never used to be like this even just twenty years ago. Corporate greed and abuse is out of control.
Treating the US as if it doesn't consist of 50 diverse states with independent legislatures running 50 different experiments spread across 3MM square miles.
In the NL I had to use holidays and still accumulated so much that they had compensate it me with couple of thousands euro for unused vacation days when the contracxt finished. Not having obligatory vacations is some 19th century underdeveloped country shit.
r/jobs
Start your own business you tittie babies. Last thing you want are unions and the government getting involved
I live in one of the 21-22 days country, and i must tell you it doesn't help anyone once you see the big picture, your paid vacation has a cost, and guess who is paying it? Hint: it is not the employer.
Even Somalia has mandated days off..
Yeah America is the best! The best at corporate welfare over social welfare!