Cheated? Beat Fascism by any means necessary or available. Whatever it takes.
But anyways. Projection. Because assholes don't know they're the assholes.
The liberals and centrists teamed up to beat the conservatives, by having either the liberal or the centrist drop out of various races and endorse the other one, so together their voters outvoted the conservatives. It's not cheating. It's realizing who the enemy is and teaming up.
But now they'll have to do some compromising, since the liberals and centrists really are still not on the same exact side. Which is how it should be. And I heard the conservatives are apparently still have majority representation in some way, which is sort of why the liberals and centrists had to team up to beat the conservatives in these recent elections.
Calling the French left "liberals" is pretty odd usage- by most standards I think Macron's centrists would be the liberals. Even in the US the left = liberal thing is becoming a lot less common.
Yes people use language based on how the people around them use it, that is indeed how language and learning things in general works. Not sure what football has to do with it.
> The liberals and centrists teamed up to beat the conservatives, by having either the liberal or the centrist drop out of various races and endorse the other one
The French left are as far from being liberals as you could possibly get!
Liberal here is a stand in for "socialist" which is almost forbidden in American because it's their standin for communist which they directly translate to Stalinism.
For American : liberal in French exclusively translate to the Neo-Liberal economic doctrine which is more associated with the right over here.
Most American liberals are liberals, though, as in, center to center right. Transport them to France, and they would continue to be identified, based on their ideology and policy preferences, as liberals, not socialists or social democrats.
Some American leftists misidentify themselves as liberal, but the Overton Window comment above is accurate; what’s “left” in an American context is “center” to “center right” in a context where socialists and social democrats are still a force in politics.
Wild how the terms 'liberal' and 'leftist' have been so homogenized in the Western world lately, especially in North America.
The power of the Overton Window is astounding.
Yeah, 100%.
People here in North America like to look at Canada like we're some leftist socialist bastion because the government will let me continue living a normal life after a medical emergency.
In actuality, our excuses for 'socialist' and 'liberal' parties are fucking embarrassing when viewed outside of this morally shattered continent.
I like how they reference cheating, but they admit it's because Macron allied with the socialists. Did these people forget politics is about coalitions? They could be leading now too if they all played nice with others. Is there something about fascists that makes it hard to work with others? What ever could that be!
https://youtu.be/NzdH3-wbqk8?si=Fsnwt-D6CXc9_fVL
We're told that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race The history books they tell of their defeat in '45 But they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They say the prisoner at Spandau was a symbol of defeat Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists, they were beat So the promise of an Aryan world would never materialize So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died?
The world is riddled with maggots, the maggots are getting fat They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureaucrats They're taking over the boardrooms and they're fat and full of pride And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
So if you meet with these historians, I'll tell you what to say Tell them that the Nazis never really went away They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies And we'll never rest again until every Nazi dies
You wanna know the killing joke?
The head of the right party (Les Republicains) unilaterally decided that his party should support the far right. He's been given a lot of shit over the last three weeks. Like a lot lot.
Anyhoo. This motherfucker, tweeted this morning to honor Jean Moulin, a key figure of Resistance during WWII who died at the hands of Gestapo.
A lot lot of shit turned into a metric fucklot of shit
Interesting. I was joking with my French history professor that if France doesn't get it's shit together that it'll be in the Sixth Republic. But, there wee all surprising me again.
I like the French people. They don’t take shit off anyone. We like to joke in
the US, but the French are badass and they were America’s bros from the very beginning
British here. I fucking love the French. You take no shit, and get out on the streets when it matters.
Everyone could learn a lot from you guys. And not just your excellent food. And wine.
A lot of it is just left over memes from the early 2000s when France refused to follow the US into Iraq. Americans started rebranding French fries as "Freedom Fries" and jokes about French cowardice/fast surrender became much more common. Some of that hung around even after Americans began to realize the invasion of Iraq was a horrific mistake.
cause the French were active in the region with their own intelligence and said "Non!" to the wmd claims.
how dare they get in the way of ~~america~~ Haliburton and it's oil reserves in the Gulf.
I can still remember one day pulling into a Burger King drive-thru and ordering a burger and fries. When I said French fries, the girl over the speaker goes, “we don’t carry French fries anymore, sir. But we do have freedom fries if you’d like.” Like, JFC lady! Just stick my burger and fries in a damned bag, take my money, and quit with the stupid semantics! All because France didn’t wanna help us invade a foreign nation!
I remember being completely baffled by 'adults' around me going all-in on such stupid and obvious culture-war propaganda. Little did I know it was all down hill from there.
I remember my history teacher at the time loving this joke and line of thinking and constantly using it with the most smug look on his face.
I wish I had been smart enough at the time to remind him the French were the only reason we were able to secure our revolution. But then again he was the fucking history teacher.
Hi from someone old enough to remember those early post-9/11 days. Two things:
1) Americans didn't start calling them Freedom Fries. It was the Tommy Tubervilles and Jim Jordans of the day (the loony right, for you non-Americans). The response of most Americans to their camera hogging silliness was 'are you fucking kidding me?'.
2) Americans, like most people, get a little butt hurt when they're told they're wrong. But it's your true friends who tell you when you're wrong and France is as true a friend as America's got. Yeah, we were a little sore at first but it turns out you were right and we were wrong. Thanks for sticking with us (like you have for the last 240+ years) when we were clearly being ass holes.
Sadly it is still an overwhelmingly huge amount of people vulnerable to toxic populist propaganda. Far right didnt win as much as they'd want but they have still too much support for what they really are.
It is mind boggling that MAGA morons (and republicans in general) can’t figure out that all their talking points happen to be good for Putin and anyone else who wants to destabilize the US.
I really wish Putin could just hurry up with those refugee towns for American Conservatives that he kept yapping about a couple of months ago.
I picture a lot of the more vocal supporters would dip and finally give us some peace and quiet.
They know; they just don't care. MAGA likes Russia because Russia is what they want to turn America into - a white supremacist, theocratic oligarchy where women, LGBTQ, minorities, and dissenters all get brutally crushed underfoot.
None of that actually makes Russia as a country better off, but that's not the goal. The goal is power, not prosperity.
"I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat."
The funniest thing to me is that MAGA will be fucked under such a system. They think if they vote for such a thing they will get special privileges which is the farthest from the truth.
Allow me to explain.
In th before times, long long ago, when 'Merica was great, a man could beat his wife for being uppity, she couldn't divorce him unless he let her, she couldn't open a bank account without his permission, or get an abortion; and brown people knew their place, and if a few fellas had to get together with some rope and white pointy hats to keep the peace, well that was just the cost of maintaining a civil society. Also a man working a job with a 5th grade education could support a family of 4, unlike today.
Now a days nothing is affordable and inflation is through the roof. Clearly the only thing that changed was a bunch of social mores, so if we just get women back into the kitchen, beat the gays back into the closet, execute anyone who's gender non-conforming, and compel people to attend protestant church, the economy will magically get better.
And the entirety of Western democracies. They colluded with Russia for Brexit, in the many elections for Marine Le Pen, with Donald Trump. Our election isn’t just for the US. It’s important globally. We’re playing a game of Risk with a bunch of legit evil fascists and need to recognize it.
truely don't understand why countries don't act like we are at war with russia and china (they do JUST as much missinformation). Because we are. They do EVERYTHING to prop up the psycho hard right monsters that destroy democracies.
When is Europe and America going to do something about Russians infecting the internet? They need to be cut off. Sever the undersea cables and block all Russian IP addresses.
They are being more careful - Trump's speeches, for instance, are delayed several minutes instead of a few seconds, to give Fox censors more time to weed out anything that might cause the Dominion case to fire up again, or give Smartmatic more ammunition for their upcoming lawsuit.
They also use that delay to smooth out his outbursts so he looks more sane. See where they quizzed him about releasing Epstein details and he said ”sure I would...” followed by ”well some of it at least ..." But they kept only the first part for broadcast.
Look what they did with polling. Look at the UK and France. The polls actually meant nothing. In the US, however, they're talking like every poll is a definite thing
Which is hilarious, because we just learned in his latest trial that he had his lawyers pay millions of dollars to companies for them to rig the polls. Cohen admitted to doing it, and stealing money from the deal because he felt it was owed to him. Right wing media even ran the story a bit, just to try and discredit him some. But yea, we totally heard about how Trump pays to manipulate polls and absolutely no big deal was made of that revelation.
The problem with buying into a clown like Donnie is it's a house of cards. You have to buy the entire thing, and if you try not buying something it sets off a cascade effect and the whole thing topples.
It was also the plot of the real world media campaign by William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer to start the Spanish-American war to sell newspapers.
Yeah and the opposition gives a ridiculous amount more press than their own parties do. I wouldn’t even know who MTG was if the press didn’t run articles on her every freaking day, now I can refer to her by her initials and people know who I’m referring to. I don’t even know which state she reps.
All you have to do is say something as ridiculous, unserious, and offensive as "Jewish Space Lasers" and you get press for life... Greeeeaaat example set by modern media
Conservatism was supposed to about preserving institutions. MAGA seeks to destroy bedrock principles like separation of church and state and ultimately democracy.
Also, stop amplifying their claims of fraud/cheating. That's their go to whenever something doesnt go their way. Promoting it just gives legitimacy to the claim. Article should have said "MAGA's whine after watching France's right wing group get stomped in the election"
News loves to do this
It used to be they'd write their opinion and find one dipshit on the street to echo it
Now they just post a screenshot of some Bluetlicker shitstain with 7 followers that has 3 likes for their stupid comment and act like it's a valid point
Ignoring them and not taking them as a serious threat is how we got to points like 2016 and January 6th in the first place.
We have long since gotten past the point where ignoring them will make them go away and covering the shit they're saying isn't garnering them any meaningful support they don't already have.
Just a reminder to look at no other than Larry Elder for a sign of what the MAGA strategy is.
He ran in the California gubernatorial race in 2021 when a bunch of MAGA people wanted a recall election the year before the actual governor election, costing tax payers a ton just to get that done. Of course Newson won, a large majority didn't even want the recall, but they did it anyway because they had *enough*.
Anyway, Elder runs, goes full MAGA, loses, and does the funniest thing to expose the nonsense that is modern day Conservativism. He starts complaining that they've detected cheating and fraud by the Dems and tries to get people up in arms. The problem is he started spewing this ***before a single vote was even in and recorded***. This dude pulled out the "bitch and moan because I didn't win" strategy, but gave it all away because there were no votes even tallied yet. He jumped the gun and exposed the whole strategy for what it is.
Because of this, I think people need to spread this around. Get the MAGA supporters who aren't aware of what's going on to understand the con. Get them to understand the fraud strategy, and no matter how fair this election is they will bitch and moan. Trump won 2016 and was already starting several lawsuits with states because they were legally counting votes that were submitted in time still. He wants to win quickly, he knows the red counties count faster and if you cut the race early, he wins no matter what. He knows complaining about fraud and whining like a tantrum-throwing child somehow gets support for him.
Let everyone know, the GOP has no spine, and no strategy but to complain and block at all points.
Yes, when Trump loses hes gonna say he won and the other side cheated regardless of the results. Everyone knows this. Gotta keep pushing the fake reality, if they lost, the reality is they are not the good guys and no one wants them. So when they lose its only cuz the other side cheated. Accepting the reality that their views are deranged, factually incorrect and are rejected by most is not an option.
When Trump loses, and when Trump attempt a coup again, I hope that Biden is smart enough this time to go to the mat for democracy and hold the fascists accountable.
With the new powers the USA President has, Trump needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. As an outsider, it seems like the USA is teetering on the edge of civil war because of the MAGA lunatics and there are sub-cultures within MAGA which literally believe Trump is the second coming of Christ. He has committed and been convicted of so many crimes, very publicly, just lock that degenerate traitorous rapist up.
It's a classic case of "If I win, the election was fair, but if I lose, even if the exact same amount of people vote and in the exact same way, it's obviously corrupt."
Even when he won in 2016, he bitched about losing the popular vote and claimed that there were a lot of people voting illegally for Hilary: [https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/index.html)
Not even Le Pen is contesting the results. Not that I'll give her credit for doing the bare minimum.
MAGAs have just been given permission by right wing media to live in a fantasy bubble where conservatives never lose and when they do it's solely because of cheating.
They've been convinced by their media bubble that they're the "Silent Majority" so they can't understand why they keep losing elections. In truth they are actually just a very vocal minority but good luck convincing them of that.
Republican here (sort of. The party left people like me behind years ago): I see MAGA on my ballot I vote for their opponent. Every time. We need to push these fucks out of civilized society for good
You are the type of Republican I like to see and get to know. I have no problem with conservatism, though I don't agree. I do have a problem with the extreme far-right, Christian nationalist, no rights for them but rights for us kind of people.
That’s nice to hear. I usually get vilified and lumped in with those assholes, though, I can’t say it’s not expected considering what has happened to the party.
Disagreement is so important to the country. I argue my point, you argue yours, the people vote and the may the best man win. But imposing personal values and certainly religious values should not be the stance of the party that used to be about freedom from government overreach. We also used to be about doing our best in setting a good example of decency and respect. That is long gone now.
I believe that there is a common sense middle ground on almost any issue. But there’s more money and power in turning people against each other. Abortion for example. I’m catholic. I find abortion to be an absolute tragedy. It makes me sick to even think about it. Which is why I fully support widespread public education about sex for young people as well as easy access birth control methods. (But obviously there are circumstances when it was out of the women’s (or even very young girls) control and there is simply no good alternative. It sucks, but that’s how it is sometimes.
Please remember to vote for me in November.
(Kidding - please vote for Biden)
What happened to conservatism? Now everyone who's a moderate conservative is called a RINO and has to play the "no true Scotsman" game and "how do you do fellow conservatives" game.
This is what pushed me away as well. I've always been an independent that mainly voted right. Once The Tea Party nonsense arose, and now, MAGA. I felt like our republic is under attack by a religious fascist regime of idiots. I'll be voting blue in November.
There are a lot of policy positions I'm sure we vehemently disagree on (to me the Republican positions have pretty much all been awful since Reagan--Nixon was a crook but the Republicans weren't just reactionaries rejecting common sense to funnel everything to the rich back then, there were still some Eisenhower positions left over in the party then) but I applaud your ability to use critical thinking when evaluating your immediate political activism
Hi friend, I also miss the old GOP. I voted McCain because I liked his policy and he was a decent man. Obama was a decent man too, just didn’t agree with him. I what this country to go back to this time, a time when we could have respect for eachother and debate the issues and take the time to learn about the issues and how we felt about them. Today is all about name calling and cult like leaders. Trump has ruined the GOP, and we have to stop him from ruining America too.
What sort of policy would you like to actually see, once/if the culture war dies? I may be pretty liberal but I fear any one party system and am curious what real conservatives actually want.
The time to reject Tulsi was in the primaries.
But it's irrelevant because she's literally not even pretending to be blue anymore, nor is she running for anything this year.
*”If they were having his [Biden’s] last wake, and it was him versus Trump, and he was being given last rites, I would still vote for Joe Biden.”*
-Mark Cuban
There's a key takeaway people may be sleeping on- this suggests DEEP acrimony towards any rejection of Putin's expansionism. The MAGA crowd doesn't give a single fuck about the day-to-day governmental ideological and practical preferences of the U.K. and France. They care very much about direct aid to Ukraine (which is something validated as a state priority in these elections). Seems relevant.
> The MAGA crowd doesn't give a single fuck about the day-to-day governmental ideological and practical preferences of the U.K. and France.
I guarantee you they couldn't even tell you the name of the far-right party that lost, let alone anything approaching those subjects.
They couldn't even tell you their own Congressman's name. Or what their child's teachers name is. Or any passage of the Bible they proudly hold in pictures with spines never bent. Or who actually signed the Declaration of Independence. Or really any fact they cry about all the fucking time.
I'm not sleeping on it. I've said elsewhere that I think support for Ukraine and the fight against dictators across the globe is the winning ticket for 2024. I agree this conflict should be brought more to the forefront. I feel pretty confident Le Pen stating she'd pull support from Ukraine is what did her in.
Legit. I have zero fucking clue why the far right loves to tie itself to sucking Putin's dick. Anti-migration sentiment is at all-time highs right now (which is in and of itself quite reasonable), and all the far right parties would need to do is just present an otherwise coherent policy platform and they could win.
Instead you get them contorting themselves into pretzels to justify and apologize for Russia's war crimes and throw Ukraine under the bus. What the fuck. Trump did it, Farage did it, Le Pen did it. And it's hurting them big.
If a political party could present an anti-Russia, pro-NATO foreign policy, reasonable/centrist domestic policy (read: no religious extremism/anti-abortion/anti-LGBT), but also strongly anti-migrant platform, they'd win any western European election in a landslide.
Putin poses a lot more of a real threat to Europe versus the US.
Granted European parliamentary systems are more capable of sidelining their far right crazy. If the US ran in a multi-party parliament, we'd see the real divide between MAGA and other republicans.
The fact that MAGA cares about French elections just shows how all of these right wing movements in the USA and EU are in fact 1 coordinated effort by Russia to sway these countries politically.
Voting right wing is a vote for Russia.
Only some of it is coordinated by Russia. A lot of it is coordinated by right-wing churches and think tanks in the US, and especially the American oligarchs who fund them.
But it is an international ideological movement that the free world is up against.
You know I was reading something about how Trump likely would have actually won 2020, and by a good margin, if he didn't kill a large chunk of his voter base. The swings states were all won by 10-20k votes and there were likely more than 10-20k maga deaths in those states.
Sadly, there are some of my fellow Gen Xer's that fall in that group. I have several friends my age (54) that will only vote for someone with an R by their name. It doesn't matter what they represent or what they say or do. They don't care. They think voting for a democrat makes you a commie or a socialist. They don't know anything about any real issues and think that Trump will wave a magic wand and groceries and gas will suddenly be cheaper again. What's sad, is these are smart people, but they are politically ignorant and are that way on purpose.
The trouble with magats and trumpers is that they can't wrap their smooth little brains around the concept of their outdated views not being popular or accepted. They can't grasp that a lot of people do NOT embrace their pathetic and backwards ideals. So they resort to claims that they, or their allies, were cheated out of a 'fair' election. Because it's only 'fair' if they win.
They're still running around claiming to be a silent majority for Real Americans™️ when their orange demigod NEVER had more than 50% approval and NEVER won a single election's popular vote.
Because they've been told that the entire world is coming around to their thinking and that their beloved fascism was back with a vengeance. Then reality came around and shat in their corn flakes
MAGAts don't give a fuck about France, this is a test run to see what kind of traction they can get if they try to claim "They cheated" again if Trump loses again in November.
By Ewan Palmer - News Reporter:
Donald Trump loyalists have lashed out at the shock results of the French parliamentary elections, saying the far right was "cheated" out of victory.
The New Popular Front, a left-wing coalition, emerged with a surprising victory in the second round of voting in France on Sunday, but its 182 seats are not enough to secure an outright majority.
Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/maga-france-elections-far-right-national-rally-1922075](https://www.newsweek.com/maga-france-elections-far-right-national-rally-1922075)
MAGA Russophiles (Russian lovers) are in lockstep with the Far-Right in Europe. They want a return to the hardline white supremacist days, and Putin is more than happy to both pretend to care about them - while funding them to sow chaos and destabilize the West from within. The Far-Right has been supported by Russia for years.
They're seeing a pattern. Voters rejected their crap in the UK that absolutely decimated their party electorally, and when people saw they might win they showed up in much larger numbers than expected to stop it.
MAGA is shitting their pants that the same is going to happen to them in the US, even if Biden is 100% comatose and remains the Democratic candidate.
When the turn out is high progressives win. Never believe the bullshit from the right that your vote doesn't matter. This election in France proves it does.
MAGAts cheat like there is no tomorrow so they believe everyone else much cheat when they don't get their way.
I'm sure they believe the UK cheated too in their recent election.
The UK cheated, France cheated. Maybe people have started to consider what giving right wing populists power, might look like in reality? Cough, cough, Hungary, cough, cough, Argentina...
Weve reached a point in the US where the media is pushing a convicted felon, known rapist and pedo, sexist racist complete bigot as if he were a LEGITIMATE option for the highest office in the land. Thats how much money they make off this asshole
Noted experts on French election processes, MAGA's opinion on this matter is of course based on the facts and not an emotional response to learning the Right Wing does not in fact form the majority of opinion everywhere at all times. /s
I’ve seen American right-wingers who don’t how parliamentary democracies work suggest that the parties “cheated” simply by forming a coalition. They might just be idiots
These Magats need to realise that they are the ones being fooled and cheated. The rest of the world has seen through the far-right's BS, and is voting against it. Not just in France, but the UK has also kicked the right out of power in the last week or so.
Cheated? Beat Fascism by any means necessary or available. Whatever it takes. But anyways. Projection. Because assholes don't know they're the assholes.
Apparently cheating is when you follow precedent and do everything by the rules. Who knew.
The liberals and centrists teamed up to beat the conservatives, by having either the liberal or the centrist drop out of various races and endorse the other one, so together their voters outvoted the conservatives. It's not cheating. It's realizing who the enemy is and teaming up. But now they'll have to do some compromising, since the liberals and centrists really are still not on the same exact side. Which is how it should be. And I heard the conservatives are apparently still have majority representation in some way, which is sort of why the liberals and centrists had to team up to beat the conservatives in these recent elections.
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So... same as MAGA then.
Calling the French left "liberals" is pretty odd usage- by most standards I think Macron's centrists would be the liberals. Even in the US the left = liberal thing is becoming a lot less common.
Americans call the "left" liberal because they've been trained to. Not due to any critical thinking skills. It's mostly football
Yes people use language based on how the people around them use it, that is indeed how language and learning things in general works. Not sure what football has to do with it.
> The liberals and centrists teamed up to beat the conservatives, by having either the liberal or the centrist drop out of various races and endorse the other one The French left are as far from being liberals as you could possibly get!
Liberal here is a stand in for "socialist" which is almost forbidden in American because it's their standin for communist which they directly translate to Stalinism. For American : liberal in French exclusively translate to the Neo-Liberal economic doctrine which is more associated with the right over here.
Most American liberals are liberals, though, as in, center to center right. Transport them to France, and they would continue to be identified, based on their ideology and policy preferences, as liberals, not socialists or social democrats. Some American leftists misidentify themselves as liberal, but the Overton Window comment above is accurate; what’s “left” in an American context is “center” to “center right” in a context where socialists and social democrats are still a force in politics.
Wild how the terms 'liberal' and 'leftist' have been so homogenized in the Western world lately, especially in North America. The power of the Overton Window is astounding.
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Yeah, 100%. People here in North America like to look at Canada like we're some leftist socialist bastion because the government will let me continue living a normal life after a medical emergency. In actuality, our excuses for 'socialist' and 'liberal' parties are fucking embarrassing when viewed outside of this morally shattered continent.
Cooperating and compromising to appeal to a majority of voters!? That's so unfair!
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leftists are arguably the only force that reliably beats fascism. liberals do not have a strong track record on that.
I like how they reference cheating, but they admit it's because Macron allied with the socialists. Did these people forget politics is about coalitions? They could be leading now too if they all played nice with others. Is there something about fascists that makes it hard to work with others? What ever could that be!
https://youtu.be/NzdH3-wbqk8?si=Fsnwt-D6CXc9_fVL We're told that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race The history books they tell of their defeat in '45 But they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died They say the prisoner at Spandau was a symbol of defeat Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists, they were beat So the promise of an Aryan world would never materialize So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died? The world is riddled with maggots, the maggots are getting fat They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureaucrats They're taking over the boardrooms and they're fat and full of pride And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died So if you meet with these historians, I'll tell you what to say Tell them that the Nazis never really went away They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies And we'll never rest again until every Nazi dies
No they didn’t fall for Russian propaganda well done the citizens of France
Right before Bastille Day too. Good on ya, France
You wanna know the killing joke? The head of the right party (Les Republicains) unilaterally decided that his party should support the far right. He's been given a lot of shit over the last three weeks. Like a lot lot. Anyhoo. This motherfucker, tweeted this morning to honor Jean Moulin, a key figure of Resistance during WWII who died at the hands of Gestapo. A lot lot of shit turned into a metric fucklot of shit
Interesting. I was joking with my French history professor that if France doesn't get it's shit together that it'll be in the Sixth Republic. But, there wee all surprising me again.
It's only got 4 years until the 5th republic is the longest regime since the ancien. Is it even France if it doesn't have a shakeup soon?
Maybe they’ll juice up the name like a long-running Hollywood series. The French Repub6.
*6 French 6 Furious*
Exécuter l'ordre soixante-six
*Rogér Rogér*
Holy moly, it’s that long
Less than a century…
Tbf, the modern democratic systems as a working concept, is still a relatively a new idea.
So, was it a metric assload?
I like the French people. They don’t take shit off anyone. We like to joke in the US, but the French are badass and they were America’s bros from the very beginning
If the French didn't hate the English so much, we'd have blood pudding, spotted dick, and tea time here in America. Vive la France!
We love England ! They are our best enemy ! Most of our wars was with or against England ! Funny times.
And we love you too random french person
Awwww, i would have take a cup of tea with you, but i have a riot starting.
You're not gonna insult him and his fellow English pigdogs? What about farting in his general direction?
Spaniards would like to have a chat
British here. I fucking love the French. You take no shit, and get out on the streets when it matters. Everyone could learn a lot from you guys. And not just your excellent food. And wine.
When the gov wanted to raise the retirement age, that didn't go down too well.
Indeed, one of the primary attractions of England is its proximity to France
The wine is amazing and I found out the bread has an ungodly amount of butter in it. Absolutely delicious.
Well, maybe America can have a *little* tea time … as a treat …
Throw him in the harbor!
Steep learning curve
I’m convinced the vitriol against the French in the US is a psyop to keep us from fighting in the streets for our rights like they do.
A lot of it is just left over memes from the early 2000s when France refused to follow the US into Iraq. Americans started rebranding French fries as "Freedom Fries" and jokes about French cowardice/fast surrender became much more common. Some of that hung around even after Americans began to realize the invasion of Iraq was a horrific mistake.
cause the French were active in the region with their own intelligence and said "Non!" to the wmd claims. how dare they get in the way of ~~america~~ Haliburton and it's oil reserves in the Gulf.
Dick Cheney for the Darth Vader award.
Cheney was definitely the Palpatine of that admin, puppeteering Bush's Vader through both terms.
I can still remember one day pulling into a Burger King drive-thru and ordering a burger and fries. When I said French fries, the girl over the speaker goes, “we don’t carry French fries anymore, sir. But we do have freedom fries if you’d like.” Like, JFC lady! Just stick my burger and fries in a damned bag, take my money, and quit with the stupid semantics! All because France didn’t wanna help us invade a foreign nation!
I remember being completely baffled by 'adults' around me going all-in on such stupid and obvious culture-war propaganda. Little did I know it was all down hill from there.
I remember my history teacher at the time loving this joke and line of thinking and constantly using it with the most smug look on his face. I wish I had been smart enough at the time to remind him the French were the only reason we were able to secure our revolution. But then again he was the fucking history teacher.
Hi from someone old enough to remember those early post-9/11 days. Two things: 1) Americans didn't start calling them Freedom Fries. It was the Tommy Tubervilles and Jim Jordans of the day (the loony right, for you non-Americans). The response of most Americans to their camera hogging silliness was 'are you fucking kidding me?'. 2) Americans, like most people, get a little butt hurt when they're told they're wrong. But it's your true friends who tell you when you're wrong and France is as true a friend as America's got. Yeah, we were a little sore at first but it turns out you were right and we were wrong. Thanks for sticking with us (like you have for the last 240+ years) when we were clearly being ass holes.
Sadly it is still an overwhelmingly huge amount of people vulnerable to toxic populist propaganda. Far right didnt win as much as they'd want but they have still too much support for what they really are.
It is mind boggling that MAGA morons (and republicans in general) can’t figure out that all their talking points happen to be good for Putin and anyone else who wants to destabilize the US.
They do know, they just don't care because Putin is the conservative strongman they desperately want.
I mean, they literally wear shirts and say "Better Russian than Democrat". Obviously they know they are supporting Putin over their own country.
I really wish Putin could just hurry up with those refugee towns for American Conservatives that he kept yapping about a couple of months ago. I picture a lot of the more vocal supporters would dip and finally give us some peace and quiet.
They know; they just don't care. MAGA likes Russia because Russia is what they want to turn America into - a white supremacist, theocratic oligarchy where women, LGBTQ, minorities, and dissenters all get brutally crushed underfoot. None of that actually makes Russia as a country better off, but that's not the goal. The goal is power, not prosperity. "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat."
The funniest thing to me is that MAGA will be fucked under such a system. They think if they vote for such a thing they will get special privileges which is the farthest from the truth.
Yeah I still don’t understand where, what, and how will supporting Trump equates to “Saving” America
Allow me to explain. In th before times, long long ago, when 'Merica was great, a man could beat his wife for being uppity, she couldn't divorce him unless he let her, she couldn't open a bank account without his permission, or get an abortion; and brown people knew their place, and if a few fellas had to get together with some rope and white pointy hats to keep the peace, well that was just the cost of maintaining a civil society. Also a man working a job with a 5th grade education could support a family of 4, unlike today. Now a days nothing is affordable and inflation is through the roof. Clearly the only thing that changed was a bunch of social mores, so if we just get women back into the kitchen, beat the gays back into the closet, execute anyone who's gender non-conforming, and compel people to attend protestant church, the economy will magically get better.
And the entirety of Western democracies. They colluded with Russia for Brexit, in the many elections for Marine Le Pen, with Donald Trump. Our election isn’t just for the US. It’s important globally. We’re playing a game of Risk with a bunch of legit evil fascists and need to recognize it.
truely don't understand why countries don't act like we are at war with russia and china (they do JUST as much missinformation). Because we are. They do EVERYTHING to prop up the psycho hard right monsters that destroy democracies.
They absolutely know. They do not care.
When is Europe and America going to do something about Russians infecting the internet? They need to be cut off. Sever the undersea cables and block all Russian IP addresses.
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This, the media is so thirsty for news that they make it themselves now
Faux News has been making it up for a while now along with OAN and Newsmax. And they got sued and lost for lying!
And paid the fine and kept on lying without pause.
As long as the profits outweigh the fines, let it rip
Cost of doing business
They are being more careful - Trump's speeches, for instance, are delayed several minutes instead of a few seconds, to give Fox censors more time to weed out anything that might cause the Dominion case to fire up again, or give Smartmatic more ammunition for their upcoming lawsuit.
They also use that delay to smooth out his outbursts so he looks more sane. See where they quizzed him about releasing Epstein details and he said ”sure I would...” followed by ”well some of it at least ..." But they kept only the first part for broadcast.
Then the fine should be bigger.
Look what they did with polling. Look at the UK and France. The polls actually meant nothing. In the US, however, they're talking like every poll is a definite thing
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Which is hilarious, because we just learned in his latest trial that he had his lawyers pay millions of dollars to companies for them to rig the polls. Cohen admitted to doing it, and stealing money from the deal because he felt it was owed to him. Right wing media even ran the story a bit, just to try and discredit him some. But yea, we totally heard about how Trump pays to manipulate polls and absolutely no big deal was made of that revelation.
The problem with buying into a clown like Donnie is it's a house of cards. You have to buy the entire thing, and if you try not buying something it sets off a cascade effect and the whole thing topples.
We are not far from the point we're the media starts going out and shooting people just to report someone was shot
That was the plot of a Bond movie lol. News agency helps start a war so they can report it.
It was also the plot of the real world media campaign by William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer to start the Spanish-American war to sell newspapers.
And the movie Nightcrawler, ‘cept instead of one sicko it’d be entire organizations doing that shit.
Yeah and the opposition gives a ridiculous amount more press than their own parties do. I wouldn’t even know who MTG was if the press didn’t run articles on her every freaking day, now I can refer to her by her initials and people know who I’m referring to. I don’t even know which state she reps.
All you have to do is say something as ridiculous, unserious, and offensive as "Jewish Space Lasers" and you get press for life... Greeeeaaat example set by modern media
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Conservatism was supposed to about preserving institutions. MAGA seeks to destroy bedrock principles like separation of church and state and ultimately democracy.
Also, stop amplifying their claims of fraud/cheating. That's their go to whenever something doesnt go their way. Promoting it just gives legitimacy to the claim. Article should have said "MAGA's whine after watching France's right wing group get stomped in the election"
Thank you for being rational and saying it out loud!
News loves to do this It used to be they'd write their opinion and find one dipshit on the street to echo it Now they just post a screenshot of some Bluetlicker shitstain with 7 followers that has 3 likes for their stupid comment and act like it's a valid point
When that one voice owns the media company...
Traitors of a feather flock together.
Ignoring them and not taking them as a serious threat is how we got to points like 2016 and January 6th in the first place. We have long since gotten past the point where ignoring them will make them go away and covering the shit they're saying isn't garnering them any meaningful support they don't already have.
A little preview of what’s to come if Trump loses in November.
The past four years showed a preview of what's to come
Just a reminder to look at no other than Larry Elder for a sign of what the MAGA strategy is. He ran in the California gubernatorial race in 2021 when a bunch of MAGA people wanted a recall election the year before the actual governor election, costing tax payers a ton just to get that done. Of course Newson won, a large majority didn't even want the recall, but they did it anyway because they had *enough*. Anyway, Elder runs, goes full MAGA, loses, and does the funniest thing to expose the nonsense that is modern day Conservativism. He starts complaining that they've detected cheating and fraud by the Dems and tries to get people up in arms. The problem is he started spewing this ***before a single vote was even in and recorded***. This dude pulled out the "bitch and moan because I didn't win" strategy, but gave it all away because there were no votes even tallied yet. He jumped the gun and exposed the whole strategy for what it is. Because of this, I think people need to spread this around. Get the MAGA supporters who aren't aware of what's going on to understand the con. Get them to understand the fraud strategy, and no matter how fair this election is they will bitch and moan. Trump won 2016 and was already starting several lawsuits with states because they were legally counting votes that were submitted in time still. He wants to win quickly, he knows the red counties count faster and if you cut the race early, he wins no matter what. He knows complaining about fraud and whining like a tantrum-throwing child somehow gets support for him. Let everyone know, the GOP has no spine, and no strategy but to complain and block at all points.
Yes, when Trump loses hes gonna say he won and the other side cheated regardless of the results. Everyone knows this. Gotta keep pushing the fake reality, if they lost, the reality is they are not the good guys and no one wants them. So when they lose its only cuz the other side cheated. Accepting the reality that their views are deranged, factually incorrect and are rejected by most is not an option.
When Trump loses, and when Trump attempt a coup again, I hope that Biden is smart enough this time to go to the mat for democracy and hold the fascists accountable.
With the new powers the USA President has, Trump needs to be locked up for the rest of his life. As an outsider, it seems like the USA is teetering on the edge of civil war because of the MAGA lunatics and there are sub-cultures within MAGA which literally believe Trump is the second coming of Christ. He has committed and been convicted of so many crimes, very publicly, just lock that degenerate traitorous rapist up.
It's a classic case of "If I win, the election was fair, but if I lose, even if the exact same amount of people vote and in the exact same way, it's obviously corrupt."
Even when he won in 2016, he bitched about losing the popular vote and claimed that there were a lot of people voting illegally for Hilary: [https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/index.html)
If every time you lose it's cheating, then maybe you're just a loser.
Not even Le Pen is contesting the results. Not that I'll give her credit for doing the bare minimum. MAGAs have just been given permission by right wing media to live in a fantasy bubble where conservatives never lose and when they do it's solely because of cheating.
They've been convinced by their media bubble that they're the "Silent Majority" so they can't understand why they keep losing elections. In truth they are actually just a very vocal minority but good luck convincing them of that.
God I wish they were silent
VOTE BLUE LIKE YOU NEVER HAVE BEFORE 🌊🌊🌊 WE CAN DEFEAT THE MAGA MAFIA!!
Republican here (sort of. The party left people like me behind years ago): I see MAGA on my ballot I vote for their opponent. Every time. We need to push these fucks out of civilized society for good
You are the type of Republican I like to see and get to know. I have no problem with conservatism, though I don't agree. I do have a problem with the extreme far-right, Christian nationalist, no rights for them but rights for us kind of people.
That’s nice to hear. I usually get vilified and lumped in with those assholes, though, I can’t say it’s not expected considering what has happened to the party. Disagreement is so important to the country. I argue my point, you argue yours, the people vote and the may the best man win. But imposing personal values and certainly religious values should not be the stance of the party that used to be about freedom from government overreach. We also used to be about doing our best in setting a good example of decency and respect. That is long gone now. I believe that there is a common sense middle ground on almost any issue. But there’s more money and power in turning people against each other. Abortion for example. I’m catholic. I find abortion to be an absolute tragedy. It makes me sick to even think about it. Which is why I fully support widespread public education about sex for young people as well as easy access birth control methods. (But obviously there are circumstances when it was out of the women’s (or even very young girls) control and there is simply no good alternative. It sucks, but that’s how it is sometimes. Please remember to vote for me in November. (Kidding - please vote for Biden)
I mean...you say you don't support the Republican party, but you call yourself a Republican. Maybe you're an independent now? Think about it lol.
What happened to conservatism? Now everyone who's a moderate conservative is called a RINO and has to play the "no true Scotsman" game and "how do you do fellow conservatives" game.
Curious what Republican ideals people still hold on to? Biden is so moderately left he would've been considered a republican a few decades ago.
Aye, 'tis the way of the crimson Republican.
Welcome ally!
Glad to help. It should go without saying, but my country always comes first. And what Trump and MAGA are doing is fundamentally un-American.
This is what pushed me away as well. I've always been an independent that mainly voted right. Once The Tea Party nonsense arose, and now, MAGA. I felt like our republic is under attack by a religious fascist regime of idiots. I'll be voting blue in November.
There are a lot of policy positions I'm sure we vehemently disagree on (to me the Republican positions have pretty much all been awful since Reagan--Nixon was a crook but the Republicans weren't just reactionaries rejecting common sense to funnel everything to the rich back then, there were still some Eisenhower positions left over in the party then) but I applaud your ability to use critical thinking when evaluating your immediate political activism
Hi friend, I also miss the old GOP. I voted McCain because I liked his policy and he was a decent man. Obama was a decent man too, just didn’t agree with him. I what this country to go back to this time, a time when we could have respect for eachother and debate the issues and take the time to learn about the issues and how we felt about them. Today is all about name calling and cult like leaders. Trump has ruined the GOP, and we have to stop him from ruining America too.
What sort of policy would you like to actually see, once/if the culture war dies? I may be pretty liberal but I fear any one party system and am curious what real conservatives actually want.
Bring back sane candidates!
Blue no matter who.
Not you, Tulsi.
The time to reject Tulsi was in the primaries. But it's irrelevant because she's literally not even pretending to be blue anymore, nor is she running for anything this year.
*”If they were having his [Biden’s] last wake, and it was him versus Trump, and he was being given last rites, I would still vote for Joe Biden.”* -Mark Cuban
I shall cast my vote as hard as I can!
There's a key takeaway people may be sleeping on- this suggests DEEP acrimony towards any rejection of Putin's expansionism. The MAGA crowd doesn't give a single fuck about the day-to-day governmental ideological and practical preferences of the U.K. and France. They care very much about direct aid to Ukraine (which is something validated as a state priority in these elections). Seems relevant.
> The MAGA crowd doesn't give a single fuck about the day-to-day governmental ideological and practical preferences of the U.K. and France. I guarantee you they couldn't even tell you the name of the far-right party that lost, let alone anything approaching those subjects.
They couldn't even tell you their own Congressman's name. Or what their child's teachers name is. Or any passage of the Bible they proudly hold in pictures with spines never bent. Or who actually signed the Declaration of Independence. Or really any fact they cry about all the fucking time.
I'm not sleeping on it. I've said elsewhere that I think support for Ukraine and the fight against dictators across the globe is the winning ticket for 2024. I agree this conflict should be brought more to the forefront. I feel pretty confident Le Pen stating she'd pull support from Ukraine is what did her in.
Well it is relevant. Because they are bots or might as well be Russian bots
Legit. I have zero fucking clue why the far right loves to tie itself to sucking Putin's dick. Anti-migration sentiment is at all-time highs right now (which is in and of itself quite reasonable), and all the far right parties would need to do is just present an otherwise coherent policy platform and they could win. Instead you get them contorting themselves into pretzels to justify and apologize for Russia's war crimes and throw Ukraine under the bus. What the fuck. Trump did it, Farage did it, Le Pen did it. And it's hurting them big. If a political party could present an anti-Russia, pro-NATO foreign policy, reasonable/centrist domestic policy (read: no religious extremism/anti-abortion/anti-LGBT), but also strongly anti-migrant platform, they'd win any western European election in a landslide.
Putin poses a lot more of a real threat to Europe versus the US. Granted European parliamentary systems are more capable of sidelining their far right crazy. If the US ran in a multi-party parliament, we'd see the real divide between MAGA and other republicans.
The fact that MAGA cares about French elections just shows how all of these right wing movements in the USA and EU are in fact 1 coordinated effort by Russia to sway these countries politically. Voting right wing is a vote for Russia.
Only some of it is coordinated by Russia. A lot of it is coordinated by right-wing churches and think tanks in the US, and especially the American oligarchs who fund them. But it is an international ideological movement that the free world is up against.
MAGA is running on the fumes of low IQ boomers who are aging out. Good job France, ty.
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You know I was reading something about how Trump likely would have actually won 2020, and by a good margin, if he didn't kill a large chunk of his voter base. The swings states were all won by 10-20k votes and there were likely more than 10-20k maga deaths in those states.
Sadly, there are some of my fellow Gen Xer's that fall in that group. I have several friends my age (54) that will only vote for someone with an R by their name. It doesn't matter what they represent or what they say or do. They don't care. They think voting for a democrat makes you a commie or a socialist. They don't know anything about any real issues and think that Trump will wave a magic wand and groceries and gas will suddenly be cheaper again. What's sad, is these are smart people, but they are politically ignorant and are that way on purpose.
Biden is polling way ahead among younger voters.
Death to fascism!
The trouble with magats and trumpers is that they can't wrap their smooth little brains around the concept of their outdated views not being popular or accepted. They can't grasp that a lot of people do NOT embrace their pathetic and backwards ideals. So they resort to claims that they, or their allies, were cheated out of a 'fair' election. Because it's only 'fair' if they win.
They're still running around claiming to be a silent majority for Real Americans™️ when their orange demigod NEVER had more than 50% approval and NEVER won a single election's popular vote.
Why does MAGA even care? Like they can point out France on a map?
Because they've been told that the entire world is coming around to their thinking and that their beloved fascism was back with a vengeance. Then reality came around and shat in their corn flakes
Did you mean "Con flakes"?
They’re upset Uncle Putin and the fascists lost.
Conservatives, especially the evangelical ones, are very interested in spreading their ideology on a global scale.
Maga is bankrolled by Putin.
Because they're globalists
Half these idiots couldn't even find France on a map.
Half?
Sentiments worldwide are swinging back to the Left. No surprise that MAGAts are panicking like mad
MAGAts don't give a fuck about France, this is a test run to see what kind of traction they can get if they try to claim "They cheated" again if Trump loses again in November.
Replace those “ifs” with “when’s”. 👍🏻
Fuck off, authoritarians, you guys don't even like or respect democracy.
All the pics and video of fascist literally crying over this massive loss is like pure uncut heroin to me.
I need a conservative tears mug
By Ewan Palmer - News Reporter: Donald Trump loyalists have lashed out at the shock results of the French parliamentary elections, saying the far right was "cheated" out of victory. The New Popular Front, a left-wing coalition, emerged with a surprising victory in the second round of voting in France on Sunday, but its 182 seats are not enough to secure an outright majority. Read more: [https://www.newsweek.com/maga-france-elections-far-right-national-rally-1922075](https://www.newsweek.com/maga-france-elections-far-right-national-rally-1922075)
Wait -- DJT loyalists are taking issue with affairs of another country? I'm shocked; shocked, I tell you. /s
MAGA is just too dumb to take the L.
Anytime the right losers. They scream fraud.
Every single left wing candidate's election victory will be accused of cheating by MAGA. It's the new norm.
To be fair, MAGA believes democracy is cheating.
IMAGINE ROOTING FOR THE NAZIS
MAGA can't even cheat right 😆
Hmm. It's almost like the citizens of the world have seen this movie before and didn't think it needed a sequel. Bravo France and Britain!
MAGA Russophiles (Russian lovers) are in lockstep with the Far-Right in Europe. They want a return to the hardline white supremacist days, and Putin is more than happy to both pretend to care about them - while funding them to sow chaos and destabilize the West from within. The Far-Right has been supported by Russia for years.
Whiny little bitches, the lie cheat and steal yhen when the dont get the votes it's a conspiracy hahahaha
They're seeing a pattern. Voters rejected their crap in the UK that absolutely decimated their party electorally, and when people saw they might win they showed up in much larger numbers than expected to stop it. MAGA is shitting their pants that the same is going to happen to them in the US, even if Biden is 100% comatose and remains the Democratic candidate.
No, they VOTED!!!!! Cheating is when The Orange Monster is around those election ballots ....
When the turn out is high progressives win. Never believe the bullshit from the right that your vote doesn't matter. This election in France proves it does.
They should go to France and storm the government building.
As a french person i will quietly ask the magas to deeply shove their opinion in their butthole.
Maga doesn't know where France is.
MAGAts cheat like there is no tomorrow so they believe everyone else much cheat when they don't get their way. I'm sure they believe the UK cheated too in their recent election.
The UK cheated, France cheated. Maybe people have started to consider what giving right wing populists power, might look like in reality? Cough, cough, Hungary, cough, cough, Argentina...
Conservatives only playbook is now it’s cheating unless we win.
Some sensible People didn't vote for Russian supported Fascists... MAGA Idiots: That can't be real!!!111
They are like 5 year olds.if they lose it was rigged. If they win it’s legit.
Not only Losers, but sore losers. The type of people who will complain about participation trophies but encourage their children to attack a referee.
Weve reached a point in the US where the media is pushing a convicted felon, known rapist and pedo, sexist racist complete bigot as if he were a LEGITIMATE option for the highest office in the land. Thats how much money they make off this asshole
MAGAs are the biggest sore losers. Snowflakes and liars.
Noted experts on French election processes, MAGA's opinion on this matter is of course based on the facts and not an emotional response to learning the Right Wing does not in fact form the majority of opinion everywhere at all times. /s
I’ve seen American right-wingers who don’t how parliamentary democracies work suggest that the parties “cheated” simply by forming a coalition. They might just be idiots
Oh yes because MAGA wanted the Putin stooge bitch in charge.
We must repeat that in the US.
We lost? They cheated! We won? Fair election!
MAGA? Who gives a fuck about MAGA? This was a French election.
MAGA has 4 letters. NAZI has 4 letters.
American Putin pom-pom girls are mad.... well
Stomp Magats.
These Magats need to realise that they are the ones being fooled and cheated. The rest of the world has seen through the far-right's BS, and is voting against it. Not just in France, but the UK has also kicked the right out of power in the last week or so.
And, in other news, the sky is blue.
Obnoxious.
Why is the opinion on Frances election from someone who doesnt understand the politics of thier own country news worthy?