€20 for 15 minutes work? I don't see why they'd need a tip on top of that.
It's one thing if they're doing something complex like a skin fade, but if it's just a short back and sides with an electric clipper then it's not rocket science
Then don't do it? You can just tip zero and pay the extortion amount for a haircut.
Jesus. I'm glad I learnt how to cut my own to my own liking. Scissors are cheap.
It’s not required, 100%, but for someone working in an introductory position that gives good service, like a waiter in a restaurant, it’s a nice gesture. I’d hope a skilled worker working for somewhere that charges 20 quid for a head shave gets paid more than minimum wage, the same as a barista working in a place that charges 4 quid plus for a coffee.
Nothing wrong with tipping for exceptional service. That's not tipping culture.
Tipping for the sake of tipping and expecting tips for everything is tipping culture.
If a barber gives me a haircut I ask for, at a good price. My tip is that I'll be back for another.
Not in Ireland no. However in Canada a tip is expected for every haircut and it makes it expensive. Canada doesn't have the US style low wages yet tipping has become expected for everything.
Please don't encourage Canada like behavior to take over in Ireland. I don't agree with it, but I understand why tipping is a thing in the US. There is no reason for tipping to have become a thing in Canada, and what seems increasingly like becoming a thing in Ireland.
No one tips me for my job. I will sometimes tip someone who's young and presumably on minimum wage. A barber who owns their own shop is easily on 25+ an hour. No need for a tip in my opinion.
Don't tip them ever, I tried with my old barber and I didn't notice any difference in service.
They accept card finally and the price went up €5 so guess the tax man probably wasn't getting there tips anyway
It's bonkers the cost of a haircut for men lately. I think it jumped from like 5 euro to 8 back in my day, and then I bought a buzz cutter.
Not coz I was a tight arse per sé, it was always a shit job and lumps sticking out or up etc.
I would've been similar to OP, just say keep the change with a euro or two. But now it's all paid before I even go there, it's on an app but it's gone up a couple of euro so as far as I'm concerned it's still the same price. I actually haven't ever got cash on me at the barbers now come to think of it.
I throw the Barber a nice bottle of something at Xmas though.
For me it depends on the service, experience, time and effort associated with the cost.
For example, if a shop charges €35 for a 20 minute cut performed by an inexperienced barber, who has no ideas and/or who doesn't question-to-understand instructions given or pay attention to any photograph of desired haircut shown....then it's a no to a tip.
I wouldn't return to the shop either.
My barber is €18. I always leave the €2 behind. I would not give a tip if it was €20. But it would not cost me anymore either than what I currently pay.
It is not expected. My barber is €18 and I tip him €2 because we’re on good terms and he has been my barber for 25 years.
Tipping culture seems to be creeping in here more through the use of those smart credit card terminals. I go out a fair bit, and I am increasingly coming across the 10%/15%/25% tipping options on card terminals in pubs and cafés. I have no problem clicking no tip for ordinary, incidental service. Although I sometimes receive a filthy look for doing so.
Give my barber a few bob at Christmas as a thank you. A few bob being a fiver or a tenner.
Like giving the bin men money at Christmas way back when.
Wife calls me a stingy fucker any time we're out and I refuse to / don't tip.
Yes, I do. Because I'm always a month overdue for a cut and the poor bastard has to deal with it, so 10% tip is still cheaper than the 100% for the haircut I missed.
I've been tipping my barber €5 everytime, not because I want to, but because of the social pressure and the fact it's a very personal and tailored service, so I assume it's expected. He's the senior barber and charges €38. It's pretty expensive tbh, especially as I get it cut every 3-4 weeks. If I stop or reduce now he'll think he's done something wrong.
I know, but he clearly thinks I can because I've been doing it for so long and he will think I'm a stingy git now if I don't. I seldom tip in restaurants or for much else unless service is exceptional, but with more personalised services like hairdressing or barbering I think there's more of an expectation to tip. Maybe I'm wrong?
Women pay A LOT more than that to get their hair styled tbf. Fact is I'm particular about my hair, where and who I go to. I'm not satisfied with a lot of the cheaper barbers in Dublin, they don't listen and don't have a proper knowledge of hair growth patterns, in my experience. I've had too many shite haircuts to downgrade, so yes I pay a premium for the barber's skill but the tip is just a personal thing that I'm not sure is expected or not.
I don't understand where this social pressure is coming from? I do agree though that it would be a bit awkward stopping now that you've been doing it for so long.
I give my usual barber a tip at Christmas.
Nobody should be expected to tip. But, if someone wants to tip it's nobody else's business either. For some reason these posts always bring out the people who insist on lecturing others not to tip, as if it's their concern.
It’s a public sub. How is it not their concern? Tipping has very much become a cultural thing in the US (I live there at the minute) and other parts of the world. People wanting to defend against the practice seeping into Irish culture have a valid argument and I think it is reasonable that they put forth said argument when somebody specifically asked about tipping...like in this case.
I think I edited after your comment, but I vehemently disagree for the reason stated. Again, public forum. If people don't want debate then they probably shouldn't state their opinions on this sub?
Because the question or debate was whether you tip or not.
Not whether you agree that *other* people should tip or not. That's a different question altogether.
Of course I'm not saying anyone can't have an opinion on it but what I'm saying is I have no idea why one person feel they should tell others whether they should tip or not. If people want to tip, it's their money. Other should mind their own business.
I mean, sure, it's just a very strange comment from the other person given the question was asked, specifically about tipping, on a public forum attempting to generate discussion around the subject...
No it doesn't. We have a different culture and wage legislation to where tipping does take place. Tipping has been here for a decade or two and it hasn't changed much at all.
Canada has tipping on everything, yet minimum wages there are even higher than Ireland, province dependant as I don't know them all, yet tipping for everything is now expected and has gotten much worse with the use of card machines.
Ireland is nowhere near that, but there has been a huge increase in the number of card machines now asking for tips when paying for things to guilt people into tipping. That was not here a decade or two ago, so yes, it has changed.
An increase in asking for tips isn't the same as an increase in tipping. For as long as I remember people have been throwing a few quid in tipping scenarios.
As for "Guilt tipping", that sounds like it's people unable to say the word no than anything with tipping.
My barber was 13 euro for years. I used to give him 15 euro. Then it moved to fifteen and now 17 all in the space of a year. He literally takes ten minutes and is out the door with people. I feel bad but I wait for my change now.
I’m of the opinion that bartenders, waitresses, housekeepers at hotels are one of the main professions that should be tipped.
Other jobs they’re already receiving what they’re charging. A barber for example charges X or Y for the job he execute. What extra is he doing?
I say that because I’ve started as a barback back then, then bartender and stayed in hospitality for 7 years doing that, before having a high paying job Mon to Fri like I do now.
It’s a stressing job, 12-15h day, but one that we need to put a smile on, even a fake one if needed and make other people’s day better with no weekends off.
And when we get tips from someone, even if it is €1 or €2 euro, we’re grateful af cuz we see the jar getting filled and we know that after the party ends, we have 2 more hours of extra work cleaning all the mess, then we get to enjoy a creamy pint of Guinness or whatever floats your boat. It’s like that relaxing moment after the storm, sponsored by the sounded people that visited the pub that night.
So I will be always grateful and now that I’m in a position where money is not the problem, I make SURE I tip well all the bartenders, waitresses and housekeepers I encounter on my nights out, travels and so on
The deliveroo drivers are top of the list for me, not that I get deliveroo often. Tipping waitresses, bartenders etc is only for great service which seems to be on the decline (maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy?). I worked in hospitality for a few years too.
For sure! Forgot to mention them cuz it’s so intrinsic to me already, I always tip deliveroo drivers.
About the decline, I’m getting old and grumpy as well but I can understand it cos depends where you work, your man the manager is a cunt who makes everything worse, no proper plans to run the business.
1 or 2 people there doing all the heavy work behind the scenes while others don’t give a flying bollocks. So the staff works stressed out, can’t even fake it
No fuck them. Tired of paying through the nose for a shit cut when I'm more than capable of self inflicting a shite cut.
Barbers are mostly scam artists.
When you break it down a €20e haircut doesn’t leave much for an employee or employer.
€20 haircut
€2.37 is likely Vat if they are Vat registered.
This leaves €17.62 revenue leftover.
Assuming average of 8 haircuts a day that’s €141 per day, €705 per week, €2,819 per month, €33,830 per year assuming they take no holidays and no sick days.
Out of that they need to pay for equipment, rent, commercial rates, utilities, insurance etc.
Would be very lucky to be left with €25k and then need to pay prsi etc on top.
I make sure to tip my barber well.
8 cuts a day??
My barber does 3 an hour, comfortably! Some down time, but definitely 16-20 cuts a day.
They are doing alright for themselves. I pay €20 cash every time. Not even sure what the official rate is. Once cash is there it will stay at €20.
Ok.
Let’s call it 15 haircuts a day.
€20 a haircut
€2.37 is likely VAT.
This leaves €17.62 revenue left over.
€264 per day.
€1,321 per week.
€5,286 per month all going well.
X 10.5 months (holidays and bank holidays) = €55,503 per year.
Rent for a chair or space €250 a week x 12 months = €12,000
Utilities €100 a week x 12 months = €4,800
Commercial rates €20 a week x 12 months = €960
Equipment and products = €20 a week x 12 months €960
Misc and insurance €20 a week x 12 months €960
€55,503
-€12,000 rent
-€4,800 utilities
-€3,000 equipment, products, miscellaneous
€35,703 to pay salary, Prsi etc and any unforeseen costs.
I’m not trying to be difficult or start an argument, I just find it interesting to break down what small businesses can potentially earn.
And if I’m buying from a small business, I like to tip where I can to try and help make ends meet, and even more so when the service is good and iv built up a relationship with them. (Maybe this should have been my original comment 😅)
I never tip the barber. Where will it end, tipping the plumber, the dentist, the mechanic...
Tap the card, sorry bud, no change
Why pay more than what they ask you for?
Get F'd with your tipping crap, this isn't the US.
I agree. I only ever really tipped when it was "a keep the change" type situation but this tipping with a card for a coffee type stuff is bollox
€20 for 15 minutes work? I don't see why they'd need a tip on top of that. It's one thing if they're doing something complex like a skin fade, but if it's just a short back and sides with an electric clipper then it's not rocket science
Then don't do it? You can just tip zero and pay the extortion amount for a haircut. Jesus. I'm glad I learnt how to cut my own to my own liking. Scissors are cheap.
Nope
No. We need to put a firm stop to tipping culture in Ireland. It's not required.
It’s not required, 100%, but for someone working in an introductory position that gives good service, like a waiter in a restaurant, it’s a nice gesture. I’d hope a skilled worker working for somewhere that charges 20 quid for a head shave gets paid more than minimum wage, the same as a barista working in a place that charges 4 quid plus for a coffee.
Nothing wrong with tipping for exceptional service. That's not tipping culture. Tipping for the sake of tipping and expecting tips for everything is tipping culture. If a barber gives me a haircut I ask for, at a good price. My tip is that I'll be back for another.
Then we need to increase minimum wage. Why do we tip a waiter but not a nurse or a mechanic?
Nurses and mechanics should be earning more than minimum wage unless they’re still in training
no , why would i
Not in Ireland no. However in Canada a tip is expected for every haircut and it makes it expensive. Canada doesn't have the US style low wages yet tipping has become expected for everything. Please don't encourage Canada like behavior to take over in Ireland. I don't agree with it, but I understand why tipping is a thing in the US. There is no reason for tipping to have become a thing in Canada, and what seems increasingly like becoming a thing in Ireland.
I don’t tip - however if I’ve had the same barber for most of the year, I’d give him a €20 note at Christmas to get himself a few pints.
Why would you tip your barber?
No, it's expensive enough as is.
No one tips me for my job. I will sometimes tip someone who's young and presumably on minimum wage. A barber who owns their own shop is easily on 25+ an hour. No need for a tip in my opinion.
Don't tip them ever, I tried with my old barber and I didn't notice any difference in service. They accept card finally and the price went up €5 so guess the tax man probably wasn't getting there tips anyway
why tip in general? they do their work....
At that sort of money, no. If you're getting a service worth more than the price charged you can tip.
It's bonkers the cost of a haircut for men lately. I think it jumped from like 5 euro to 8 back in my day, and then I bought a buzz cutter. Not coz I was a tight arse per sé, it was always a shit job and lumps sticking out or up etc.
Not a fucking hope
Tip nobody. This is ridiculous US culture. I absolutely never will.
No, I live in Ireland
Since Covid my barber prices went from 12 to 20, so no tip on that
€20 for a haircut?! You’re blessed, costs me €26 each time in Kildare
You're blessed - the last time I went to a barbers it was £5! 😂
I would've been similar to OP, just say keep the change with a euro or two. But now it's all paid before I even go there, it's on an app but it's gone up a couple of euro so as far as I'm concerned it's still the same price. I actually haven't ever got cash on me at the barbers now come to think of it. I throw the Barber a nice bottle of something at Xmas though.
Used to tip my barber €5 until he raised his prices by €5 so now he just gets his price.
No need to rip anyone
For me it depends on the service, experience, time and effort associated with the cost. For example, if a shop charges €35 for a 20 minute cut performed by an inexperienced barber, who has no ideas and/or who doesn't question-to-understand instructions given or pay attention to any photograph of desired haircut shown....then it's a no to a tip. I wouldn't return to the shop either.
It's not rocket science. It's now 20 blips because they know you won't tip with card payments
I dont not at 18-20 euro a haircut.
No If you provide a good or service for x amount, I'm paying x amount. If x isn't enough and you expect me to pay x+y then charge x+y
Tip? No
with prices like that im glad im bald!
My barber is €18. I always leave the €2 behind. I would not give a tip if it was €20. But it would not cost me anymore either than what I currently pay.
> My barber is €18. I always leave the €2 behind. I would not give a tip if it was €20 That's deliberate on their part.
Well it works!
It is not expected. My barber is €18 and I tip him €2 because we’re on good terms and he has been my barber for 25 years. Tipping culture seems to be creeping in here more through the use of those smart credit card terminals. I go out a fair bit, and I am increasingly coming across the 10%/15%/25% tipping options on card terminals in pubs and cafés. I have no problem clicking no tip for ordinary, incidental service. Although I sometimes receive a filthy look for doing so.
Tipping culture is no different now than it was ten years ago here.
This is Ireland.
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My son's 4th gen going to this barber, so he charges a bit less, and I give him the full amount.
My local barber is now €30.50 for a chop
Are they shearing wooly mammoths?
Tips on the card are taxable. They're already charging too much.
A tenner at Christmas at most.
Used to tip. But once he went fully card payment I stopped. Just give him a bottle of Jameson at Christmas. Taxman can’t take that from him.
Give my barber a few bob at Christmas as a thank you. A few bob being a fiver or a tenner. Like giving the bin men money at Christmas way back when. Wife calls me a stingy fucker any time we're out and I refuse to / don't tip.
Plot twist .....>! you were the barber all along!<
Tipping isn't affordable for many.
I tip when a barber does a good job but that’s just me
Yes, I do. Because I'm always a month overdue for a cut and the poor bastard has to deal with it, so 10% tip is still cheaper than the 100% for the haircut I missed.
Is it an independant barbers? If its a small business and you pay cash they can just keep that particular haircut off the tax books. So its a 23% tip.
I normally do but it's getting harder to do it
Yeah. Just the tip though.
I would not expect a balding man to tip but c’mon the guys with a full rug, open the wallet a bit.
No , last time I tried I got banned from the barbers and now I'm on a register
You're a member of one of those fringe groups.
Yes but I keep It under my hat
I've been tipping my barber €5 everytime, not because I want to, but because of the social pressure and the fact it's a very personal and tailored service, so I assume it's expected. He's the senior barber and charges €38. It's pretty expensive tbh, especially as I get it cut every 3-4 weeks. If I stop or reduce now he'll think he's done something wrong.
Or, hear me out, that you can't afford to tip!
I know, but he clearly thinks I can because I've been doing it for so long and he will think I'm a stingy git now if I don't. I seldom tip in restaurants or for much else unless service is exceptional, but with more personalised services like hairdressing or barbering I think there's more of an expectation to tip. Maybe I'm wrong?
I personally would disagree but maybe that's cause I've been stingy and I throw a couple of euro every now and then but not all the time.
You're spending €500 a year on haircuts and you're worried about the tips?
Women pay A LOT more than that to get their hair styled tbf. Fact is I'm particular about my hair, where and who I go to. I'm not satisfied with a lot of the cheaper barbers in Dublin, they don't listen and don't have a proper knowledge of hair growth patterns, in my experience. I've had too many shite haircuts to downgrade, so yes I pay a premium for the barber's skill but the tip is just a personal thing that I'm not sure is expected or not.
What's pressuring you into tipping socially?
I don't understand where this social pressure is coming from? I do agree though that it would be a bit awkward stopping now that you've been doing it for so long.
I give my usual barber a tip at Christmas. Nobody should be expected to tip. But, if someone wants to tip it's nobody else's business either. For some reason these posts always bring out the people who insist on lecturing others not to tip, as if it's their concern.
It’s a public sub. How is it not their concern? Tipping has very much become a cultural thing in the US (I live there at the minute) and other parts of the world. People wanting to defend against the practice seeping into Irish culture have a valid argument and I think it is reasonable that they put forth said argument when somebody specifically asked about tipping...like in this case.
If someone wants to tip, it's not the concern of someone else.
I think I edited after your comment, but I vehemently disagree for the reason stated. Again, public forum. If people don't want debate then they probably shouldn't state their opinions on this sub?
Because the question or debate was whether you tip or not. Not whether you agree that *other* people should tip or not. That's a different question altogether. Of course I'm not saying anyone can't have an opinion on it but what I'm saying is I have no idea why one person feel they should tell others whether they should tip or not. If people want to tip, it's their money. Other should mind their own business.
> Of course I'm not saying anyone can't have an opinion on it You are though haha!
They can have an opinion on it. Like anything. They just don't have to impress it on others.
It's how conversations/debates/discussions work. Especially on a public forum...
Absolutely. As in, it can go like one person saying people should not tip and other people say to mind their own business.
I mean, sure, it's just a very strange comment from the other person given the question was asked, specifically about tipping, on a public forum attempting to generate discussion around the subject...
Because tipping creates a standard and eventually an expectation
No it doesn't. We have a different culture and wage legislation to where tipping does take place. Tipping has been here for a decade or two and it hasn't changed much at all.
Canada has tipping on everything, yet minimum wages there are even higher than Ireland, province dependant as I don't know them all, yet tipping for everything is now expected and has gotten much worse with the use of card machines. Ireland is nowhere near that, but there has been a huge increase in the number of card machines now asking for tips when paying for things to guilt people into tipping. That was not here a decade or two ago, so yes, it has changed.
An increase in asking for tips isn't the same as an increase in tipping. For as long as I remember people have been throwing a few quid in tipping scenarios. As for "Guilt tipping", that sounds like it's people unable to say the word no than anything with tipping.
People unable to say no is exactly how tipping gets off the ground, and companies and card machine companies know this all too well
So you don't want others to tip, and you don't want anyone to ask for tips, all because some people are afraid to say no?
My barber was 13 euro for years. I used to give him 15 euro. Then it moved to fifteen and now 17 all in the space of a year. He literally takes ten minutes and is out the door with people. I feel bad but I wait for my change now.
I’m of the opinion that bartenders, waitresses, housekeepers at hotels are one of the main professions that should be tipped. Other jobs they’re already receiving what they’re charging. A barber for example charges X or Y for the job he execute. What extra is he doing? I say that because I’ve started as a barback back then, then bartender and stayed in hospitality for 7 years doing that, before having a high paying job Mon to Fri like I do now. It’s a stressing job, 12-15h day, but one that we need to put a smile on, even a fake one if needed and make other people’s day better with no weekends off. And when we get tips from someone, even if it is €1 or €2 euro, we’re grateful af cuz we see the jar getting filled and we know that after the party ends, we have 2 more hours of extra work cleaning all the mess, then we get to enjoy a creamy pint of Guinness or whatever floats your boat. It’s like that relaxing moment after the storm, sponsored by the sounded people that visited the pub that night. So I will be always grateful and now that I’m in a position where money is not the problem, I make SURE I tip well all the bartenders, waitresses and housekeepers I encounter on my nights out, travels and so on
The deliveroo drivers are top of the list for me, not that I get deliveroo often. Tipping waitresses, bartenders etc is only for great service which seems to be on the decline (maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy?). I worked in hospitality for a few years too.
For sure! Forgot to mention them cuz it’s so intrinsic to me already, I always tip deliveroo drivers. About the decline, I’m getting old and grumpy as well but I can understand it cos depends where you work, your man the manager is a cunt who makes everything worse, no proper plans to run the business. 1 or 2 people there doing all the heavy work behind the scenes while others don’t give a flying bollocks. So the staff works stressed out, can’t even fake it
even at that they get charged for card payments so they dont even get the full 20. Cash should always be the go to
Probably why they put it up the 2€ to cover the cost of setting it up and whatever they are charged per transaction.
No fuck them. Tired of paying through the nose for a shit cut when I'm more than capable of self inflicting a shite cut. Barbers are mostly scam artists.
When you break it down a €20e haircut doesn’t leave much for an employee or employer. €20 haircut €2.37 is likely Vat if they are Vat registered. This leaves €17.62 revenue leftover. Assuming average of 8 haircuts a day that’s €141 per day, €705 per week, €2,819 per month, €33,830 per year assuming they take no holidays and no sick days. Out of that they need to pay for equipment, rent, commercial rates, utilities, insurance etc. Would be very lucky to be left with €25k and then need to pay prsi etc on top. I make sure to tip my barber well.
8 cuts a day?? My barber does 3 an hour, comfortably! Some down time, but definitely 16-20 cuts a day. They are doing alright for themselves. I pay €20 cash every time. Not even sure what the official rate is. Once cash is there it will stay at €20.
Ok. Let’s call it 15 haircuts a day. €20 a haircut €2.37 is likely VAT. This leaves €17.62 revenue left over. €264 per day. €1,321 per week. €5,286 per month all going well. X 10.5 months (holidays and bank holidays) = €55,503 per year. Rent for a chair or space €250 a week x 12 months = €12,000 Utilities €100 a week x 12 months = €4,800 Commercial rates €20 a week x 12 months = €960 Equipment and products = €20 a week x 12 months €960 Misc and insurance €20 a week x 12 months €960 €55,503 -€12,000 rent -€4,800 utilities -€3,000 equipment, products, miscellaneous €35,703 to pay salary, Prsi etc and any unforeseen costs. I’m not trying to be difficult or start an argument, I just find it interesting to break down what small businesses can potentially earn. And if I’m buying from a small business, I like to tip where I can to try and help make ends meet, and even more so when the service is good and iv built up a relationship with them. (Maybe this should have been my original comment 😅)
You're seriously underestimating the amount of haircuts a barber can and does do a day
If they are only doing one haircut an hour, then the business isn't viable.