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Laulisti

amethyst changes seem to be insane for afking now, love to see it


RealBrofessor

Got 92 mining recently, but I am yet to try amethyst, how afk are we talking about with the new changes?


Laulisti

i’ve been mining some today after the update for ~1hr, i’d estimate about 1 to 1.5 minutes per vein that you mine (probably more with the best mining gloves, since you get +1 ore per vein if i understood correctly, but idk since i don’t have them). but to me atleast mining amethyst feels a lot nicer now that you don’t have to move every time. for reference i’m 93 mining, using celestial ring + d pick


chowriit

Can confirm the gloves change you from 2-3 mined before the vein depletes to 3-4.


Simple-Plane-1091

Edit: wrong info. Read reply below It's from 1.31 to 2, unless you use varrock platebody. Then it goes to 2.2 on average or 4 per vein at most


chowriit

From the patch notes: > Amethyst Veins can now give players 2-3 Amethyst before depleting. > Expert Mining Gloves work on Amethyst and Runite, and provide one rock save on these, two rock saves on ores the Superior Mining Gloves works on and three on Iron, Coal, Gold and Silver. So with expert mining gloves you get 3-4 successful mining actions. You are correct that Varrock 4 armour will make 10% of those (I think) give 2 amethyst.


Simple-Plane-1091

Wait what they changed that as well, I only caught the gloves. That's huge


chowriit

I'm doing it right now, it really is!


rollokolaa

Likely with the expert mining gloves between 2-4 minutes of afk per vein.


FrankyThreeFingers

About to hit 90. Motherload also seems relaxed with top hopper


Simple-Plane-1091

2.0 amethyst per ore instead of ~1.31


Why_The_Fuck_

Go try for yourself


Patient-Record-8493

It’s the GOAT afk. I’ll a take chisel in with me and not leave the walls for days. At 97 mining with gloves it’s probably a minute afk average but sometimes I’ll mine the same vein for 5+ minutes and afk log on my phone lmao.


Laulisti

yeah :D did a couple hrs today, at times i’d mine the whole vein in 15 sec and other times get the 4+ min and wonder like damn my character is STILL going??


redheadfedhead

Waterbirth and viyeldi caves agility skips. 2024 is coming in soooooo hot.


FrankyThreeFingers

This is what agility should be!


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eddietwang

Sounds like something someone who hates doing clues would say.


Miloticz

I just want one good reason not to do it i'm fine if you don't want to do it. In my eyes the pros: You complete the master clue faster and get the reward casket earlier, can completely ignore the worst and least fun cryptic cluesteps and the hours you save doing it long time you can spend on getting more of them. The cons: I guess it can take time to find a good crytpic clue worth saving? And that you don't understand what "juggling masters" mean and it sounds complicated when it really isn't and especially with 1 hour dropped clue timer existing.


Ed-Sanz

Yeah, that 85 agility shortcut looks great. Gives me a reason to train it 5 more levels 😂


Saerjin

I always think though the time it takes to train the 5 levels is way longer than the time saved with the skip. I struggle with motivation on agility!


trey__1312

Those five levels will save you more time in the long term with the run energy alone. (I don’t know if this is true, just trying to help with motivation lol)


Ed-Sanz

Yeah, that’s my justification to train agility. I’ve been 80 since I started my account but now it’s time to get those extra 5 levels


TapeAndCDs

Do sepulcher. It's good xp, engaging, and the rewards from the coffins are solid.


Ed-Sanz

I would love to but haven’t done SotF and I’m still 58A/61str/47 Def 😅


TapeAndCDs

Something to work towards. C: Trust me, it's so worth it, doubt I'd be as high ability as I am without it.


Jarpunter

Eat pie


Ed-Sanz

I could but I rather just level up. Just need fremmy hard done


Seven2offsuit

Guthix Rest update is lowkey nice those things are underrated + can get herblore xp without secondaries


souptimefrog

Grests are so nice, still a bit tedious to make with bowls of water and such but this is a nice change


Skolary

Don’t ever take for granted anything involving XP drops in the thousands for only a minute+ of ure time. **Definitely** never take for granted anything involving XP drops in the tens of thousands for only a minute+ of u’re time. • Looking at you questing


LuxOG

Guam is basically a secondary, you have to go out of your way to farm it because literally nothing in game drops the herbs in bulk. Marrentil too


GeebGeeb

Marrentil from lunar chests now


LuxOG

That only drops harralander and irit


owbug

Amethyst is nice. Super hopper is nice.  How are the mta changes — to someone who has never done it.  Was it worth waiting a couple weeks to do lumby hard?


LordHieros

Alchemist should be pretty much same speed (a tiny bit faster maybe) but a bit more chill Telekinetic theater is improved a lot, both in speed and QoL. Running non-stop, not having to wait for the golem to move, no telegrab delay and extra xp is awesome. Enchanting was chill, keeps being chill, Not a big difference, a slight improvement to max efficiency with less running and extra dragonstones, but if doing the chill "just pick whatever and enchant without looking at the screen" not a big difference. Still, extra xp and marginal improvement, plus better inventory management. Graveyard is awesome, literally twice as fast once you unlock bones to peaches, plus less chip damage and now avoidable if you want to bother. Also extra xp and better inventory management. Overall, great improvement, will green log (have wand, boots plus B2P).


TheNamesRoodi

Amethyst is going to average our to 4.375 mines per vein instead of 1.25 now that's a huge improvement


Tykras

The gloves were changed, they just provide a flat +1 mine per amethyst vein, so 3.5 mines per vein.


Jaivez

>Graveyard is awesome, literally twice as fast once you unlock bones to peaches, plus less chip damage and now avoidable if you want to bother. Also extra xp and better inventory management. More than twice as fast with the cast delay removed for most people that don't optimize the order of operations.


AoXPhoenix

Over twice as fast as you don't have to heal anymore either


juany8

Alchemist is way nicer now cause you have max 2 searches to find the item you want and can get 5 at a time. So it’s faster and more chill


lucklikethis

Yeah - this makes it significantly easier.  I had just got boots when they released the poll so have just sat on them waiting and now I have the rest of the hard stuff done its a good time:)


Godthan

I'm literally in the exact same boat with Lumby hards lol I was like I can wait. Somehow I missed the MLM update announcement though and I bought and sold the entire prospector set literally a couple days ago xD. fortunately the set sells back for like 80% so it's not too bad


its_me_butterfree

- Zalcano can now be killed in one rotation (provided you have the DPS, of course). Uhhhh, are zalcano masses busted af now?


Isenrath

Does her health not scale? It's been awhile since I've done the content and can't remember exactly.


its_me_butterfree

Nope. Only thing slowing masses was forcing 3 downs. Now you can 1 down. Too many people will lead to a lot of people not getting drop credit though. Need to figure out optimal 1 down sizes.


coolrich2

I'd guess between 9 and 12 since 3-4 was the previous 3 down meta


juany8

Been on the zalcano cc this morning and it seems about 8-10 is the sweet spot people are going for to get 1 down kills


Groupvenge

Is it literally "zalcano cc" or what do I need to type in?


juany8

It’s called “Zalcanohost”


Huncho_Muncho

do you know if solo is actually viable?


Nex_Sapien

Give it a shot and let us know! I'd do it if i wasn't busy.


Bury_My_Mistakes

The mass worlds don't function since no-one can get enough shield health damage to qualify for a drop. Approx 10 man teams for reliable 1 downs, 5 man teams for 2 downs.


Mattist

So it's still team size soft locked. Didn't remove one of the biggest pain points then imo, that sucks. Fulllllllllllllllll I guess.


Profesor_Erizo

Now you have faster kills at least.


Puiqui

Not masses. 10 mans. A real mass and nobody is even getting a drop. I was getting like 60 crystal shards per hour and 65k mining xpph at zalcano on my iron. Like 30kph


Alleggsander

Some real fuken beautiful changes here.


Lawsonstruck

“Lastly, we’ve removed the most frustrating fail points:” Missed the most annoying one imo - canifis second to last obstacle


Dsullivan777

Wait, they listed that one specifically in previous blogs, why would they omit it now?


Lawsonstruck

Thats what im wondering!


ShatteredCitadel

I think it’s an accident


Duke_ofChutney

Wooo Falador Hard here we come


jaysrule24

Since you can get decent xp along the way, Zalcano for the crystal tool seeds might be something to consider while training mining. But I'm mostly just waiting for someone to drop a solo VM guide based on those changes 👀


somarir

I was already a fan of VM but having solo actually be viable (not counting the solo cheese method) is pretty cool.


jaysrule24

I'm not a big fan of content where you have to put a small group together, so I've avoided it even though I know it's supposed to be really good. Even if solo is only like 80-90% of team VM, it'll still probably be my primary method to 99


Mattist

Solo was already viable. I've been doing VM solos for about 5m post-max xp for the pickaxe log slot and averaging 75k-80k/hr. These changes really only remove the 1/20 chance to be royally fucked over after halfway point (that was already preventable by playing defensively), and hopefully able to mine the 3rd rock to depletion before the halfway check every time with half a minute wiggle room. One of the funniest falacies that has been aped for so long is that solo VM has not been viable and that it's so sweaty. It's one of my go-to chill activities until I get the log slot. It's more chill than tempoross or guardians of the rift in mass. It's afk for 7 out of 10 minutes and reliable 75k/h+ xp. I just hope I can still find solo worlds after this update, the fact that it was unpopular was really nice.


eoiiioe

Do you follow a specific guide for solos or whatever is on the wiki is pretty much it?


Mattist

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPrSrHZO\_rk&t=1013s&ab\_channel=DeceptionPLAYS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPrSrHZO_rk&t=1013s&ab_channel=DeceptionPLAYS) This is a great guide. There are efficiency improvements to it that you can figure out on your own as you get comfortable, but the basics are all there. An update to that guide after this update would be that you will pretty much always be able to mine the rock to its 3rd completion before going to check B/C in halftime (so that it floats to where the B vent is).


Mountain_Survey_8821

Only need mining hat for diary now. Not bad


Godthan

I missed that one lol I bought and sold the full prospector set a few days ago. The MLM changes are so nice thought I'm not even mad.


opal-snake

Finally I can do the MTA, crafted all the runes in GoTR and now they may be put to use


BringBackRocketPower

Has anyone done the math to see where brimhaven agility stands against rooftop courses in terms of amylase/hour?


Porcupinehog

Noob question, do we know when these patches will effect the live game? I just started a few months ago and don't want to waste time on agility until after it's update.


Wyanaut

It's already live


Porcupinehog

Yay thank you for answering!


Puiqui

Live today


eddietwang

When the post begins with [Game Update], it means it's live.


Porcupinehog

Thank you, I'm used to other games with patch notes that don't go live for a while


Solaxus

Generally, game updates are always on a Wednesday.  There might be one or two times a year that a holiday or something else causes them to update on not a Wednesday, but those are very rare occurrences.


Pnutbutrjely

Looks like I’ll be hanging out with the gnomes for a while


Beetroot17

Have we got a drop rate for these medium clues? Pickpocketed 400 with 0 Medium Clues


ironhanky

What’s the fail rate like? 90 thieving at the moment want to mix it up from ardy knights and rogues chests


Beetroot17

I was 81 Thieving with Ardy Cloak 3 - fail rate was bad, probs succeed like 2 in 5ish


ironhanky

Oof yikes never mind


TheRoblock

Does it still cost 100 gold nuggets to access the upper floor in the MLM?


Icestar-x

I sure hope they changed that, because I don't know if it's even possible to go from 30 to 57 mining and get 100 nuggets. I started at 41 and I'm 52 mining with 34 nuggets.


Airhawk9

Upper needs 72 mining anyway


Icestar-x

Upper floor was lowered to 57 mining, but it doesn't seem possible to get there at 57 mining for lack of nuggets.


Airhawk9

oh shoot good to know


TheGamefreak484

Got 100 nuggets at 59 mining and I believe I started around ~37. May not be obtainable at 57 but it's not that far off.


ShatteredCitadel

I went from 30 to 52 and I have like 40 nuggets lol


Dry-Manufacturer391

I think it's 10, not 100?


MyNamesNotJeremy

I'm almost sure it's 100


Dry-Manufacturer391

Just double checked, you're right it is 100!


Numancias

It's 100 not 9,33262154 x 10^157 smh


Alucitary

Damn, I yearn for the mines now


MisterPulaski

It’s funny to see them address a “Zalcano unique boosting” exploit while iron CoX boosting services remain far more prevalent and egregious.


ironhanky

Hopefully they’re testing how it works at zalcano so they can roll it out elsewhere, but who knows 😭😂


Delicious_Mission815

Barbarian mix enjoyers rejoice, no longer will we risk carpal tunnel for extra herb exp!!! I was not looking forward to 99 herb this time around, but that change even if it’s slower, is still very very nice.


GinoAlessi

Ngl the ring of persuit is now op and a must for those crappy kebit treks 😍😍


Blinxsy

So I guess the run energy changes are coming in a different update?


Distuh

If you have extra Christmas crackers, now’s a good time to dump them in Deaths Coffer. I got nearly 2.4m for each one, and the price is tanking with the changes.


FrankyThreeFingers

Short Christmas crackers


Jaym0nd

Low key brilliant man! I just coffered 6 for 15m. Thanks for the heads up


ShatteredCitadel

While you’re taking a look at agility I think a nice QOL and Social update would be to make pubs help restore your run energy by being inside of them. As far as by how much? I’ll leave that up to the game balance team.


DiddyBCFC

Tables you can sit at for 3x run recharge would be cool.


ShatteredCitadel

Yeah it would be a great way to do things where you have little pockets of folks.


maxwill27

they have said in the past that they could do this, but they would be slower than just walking to your target normally. It would benefit no one to add


MoonCricketMonkey

So what are these salve amulet changes? Is using a salve now at revs skulled free and you don't need to worry about losing the points?


Tykras

You get the normal refund amount (80% of points to imbue, or the scroll) back if you die in revs with one.


MoonCricketMonkey

So I could just unimbue it gets my points and put a scroll in it and be good then?


Thkzr

i also want to know this


BeneficialBee1716

This is an insanely good QoL update. Love a lot of these changes for the game


myronuss

I was 12 minerals away from expert mining gloves. Thank you jagex


Then_Mathematician99

After years of not giving a f about agility, 96 incoming.


Jaivez

Not seeing any mentions of the mining gloves working on sandstone - wonder how much impact that will actually have since most of the mining is instant so will lose a fair amount of ticks waiting for the second/third extractions. Maybe mildly less effort for the grind for those that want it, but slower overall? Edit: Seems like the operation resets properly when receiving an ore instead of being slowed down like re-attempts at a failed mine, so likely a straight buff to mining rates if you're not tick manipulating. Thought it might be more like a failed mining attempt where the subsequent mine takes longer than restarting.


Puiqui

Prob only noticeably if you have d pick for the 3t But you should realistically have 93 crafting by the time you have a dpick anyways unless you did wildy slayer for rev weapons+VW, and 99 crafting after 93 is passive from boss drops


somarir

Just don't equip the gloves if you do'nt want the effect?


Jaivez

That was the point of 'for those that want it'. Of course it's optional.


Vuruxy

Gamblers/ cracker holders in shambles with that change. Glad to see it.


th3_master_sw0rd

I was really hopeful that the Zalcano changes would do something to make soloing more viable, but from trying it out just now, there was no noticeable difference. It was still a 20+ minute kill.


JayWex

I thought Ardy rooftops were going up to 100k per hour for some reason. Anyone else read this somewhere, or did I just make this up? Feels like agility still needs a buff imo, I don't get why Jagex insists on Agility and Runecrafting being such bad xp per hour. 108k per hour seems too slow for the Sepulchre as well


CorrectEar9548

You made it up


MrWaffler

Source: I MADE IT THE FUCK UP


YourSmileIsFlawless

The real issue is that agility doesn't give you anything. So much grinding for basically nothing in return compared to other skills.


No_Security8469

I agree with that for a main. I personally find it easier on an iron to train because the marks. But yea, I really think agility and run depletion needs to be worked in. Such a long slow skill to grind for very minimal benefits like a short cut.


monkeyhead62

The adjustments to run are being worked on but why good off an entire update on 1 small portion. We should hopefully see it sometime this year.


mnmkdc

I’ve never understood this take. It’s been one of the most useful skills for years. It has a passive effect which is better than most skills by itself


anthonyhowhard

First off, happy cake day! Secondly, agility rewards you with marks of grace and staminas are needed for some end game content. Higher agility also means less energy depletion when running.


Civil_Appointment_92

This is not true and is one of the biggest flaws of the energy system as it is now. Higher agility has no effect on energy depletion, weight does. Higher agility makes your energy restore faster, which is completely different when it comes to needing run energy uptime.


Timmssmith

And it only effects the rate when standing still, AFAIK when running / walking it restores same rate no matter the level


Goldieeeeee

Nah you are remembering wrong. It affects your energy regen, which is only kicking in while you are not running. Aka standing or walking.


Godthan

You know to be honest you're 100% correct that agility is just too slow but somehow I think Jagex has successfully gaslit me into being excited that I'm getting 60k xp/h at polniv course lol. Seeing you mention 108k xp/h at sepulchre sounds like lighting speed.


nsfwwxxx

Are these changes live rn or still in progress?


repFK

live


No_Atmosphere_1889

With slayer can we also get rid of the absolute podcast you have to click through when skipping a Wildy task


Ato1460

Are points refunded for those of us that spent the 500 to be able to store tasks?


DontGetFired60

The cost to store a task is now free, but the ability to unlock Task Storage is still 1000 points. So no, you won't get a refund because it still costs 1k points.


Ato1460

Ah, I read it wrong. I guess I also don’t remember how many points it was to unlock that feature. Can’t believe I spent 1k points on that. For sure reason thought it was 500.


Huncho_Muncho

it still costs 1k. storing is just free now instead of 50 points


7incent

this update is full of bangers shout out to the shades of morton changes. now you can burn a full invy of shades before picking up keys


1trickana

How is brimhaven agility for amylase?


PSmasterrace

Is there any timeline for project rebalance when they will do the update? Is there anything on whether it will be one big patch or maybe select skills at a time? I haven’t been very up to date


Barge_rat_enthusiast

Really frustrated with the slayer changes making lower level (pre-gargoyle) slayer monsters even less relevant than they already were. The skill is just completely dead outside of cave horrors until MM2/Gargoyles/etc. around 70+, and now you have even fewer reasons to interact with the cool monsters.


Puiqui

Nah theres warped scepter now. Also youre supposed to be training slayer for essentially all non-boss combat xp anyways. Theres absolutely 0 downside to early levels being nigh on useless


tgoods26

When does this come out?


FlashTheorie

It’s already out.


Timmssmith

Already lut


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ATinyBushWookie

You need 80 fletching to make a magic shortbow lol, which the blowpipe is far better than. It should honestly be higher. It’s fine at 78.


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ATinyBushWookie

And as we’re seeing they are slowly adding more midgame weapons. Are you forgetting about the atlatl? It’s fantastic at the same places blowpipe is. You just got to let them design and release them. Most players won’t ever get past a rcb honestly. It’ll be the best crossbow they’ll ever get. Most of the player base doesn’t have it in them to grind out a dragon crossbow let alone a acb. And the zcb might as well not even exist. Skill rebalancing is a whole other issue that the community is split on. The amount of time it takes to skill your way to a msb far outweighs just doing some clues I agree. But the “keep oldschool oldschool” camp would throw a fit. I’m in agreement that production skills should be rebalanced. Like needing lvl 99 smithing to make lvl 40 armor. But a big portion of the community doesn’t want that kind of stuff touched.


watchmebaityou

Glad I dumped bills of gp worth of Christmas crackers on my Main last week, im a happy camper!